Closing my tickling groups

[His Divine Shadow]

There will be nothing left of the offender but ash unless you wish me to show mercy. I will stand between you and any harm.

If it is a fan, I will show more mercy and simply move them aside.

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

Oh, well its nice to know you'd give the poor creature a second chance. 😛 LOL


- Damien

 

[Oddjob0226]

Well, put, Critterlord. As I've stated, I also like the light stuff as well, and I do beleive it has a place. Like you say, tickling to dominate someoen wheo doesn't want to be is wrong. It can ame for a compelling fantasy, but to bring it to reality is a different issue. And you've chosen to embrace a lighter side of tickling, which is cool. Very respectable. Good thoughts. That's just it, you're feeling AND thinking, not just feeling.


But note, tickling wasn't "originally" designed for something... it still is what it is. A warning system. By tickling someone, your're playing with that system (and the folks who have investigated this scientifically were not tickling fetishistsm, they were/are scholarly peope, facinated by biology & human behavior. In some cases they predated the Internet by a century or so). I, on the other hand, always knew that tickling was a little "different" for me than for most others, since I was 4 or 5 yet didn't know what sex was then. And I didn't chose this, it developed. I've heard others say similar things.


Now there are others who think that if it isn't little kids tee-heeing with each other, or behind closed doors then the tickling is automatically bad and or people are going to be mindlessly sucked into a zombified helpless tickling exsistance with multiple sex partners and society will fall. That there's a "mess" that they have come to save us from and "clean up". Thanks but no thanks - as a society we already have assault, battery kidnapping and unlawful arrest laws in place that punish people if they take something too far. Has there really been some kind of anti-tickling uprising that's been going on? And, strangly, it's been stated that that the "logical aspects" in this argument is even when a dictionary is consulted (their dictionaly defines domination inpurely sexual terms). This is what we need - more willfully dumb people on the Internet? Less logic in public discourse? Now THAT'S a mess that would need cleaning up. Because I play different doesn't mean I play moraly wrong. It doesn't mean I'm evil and that I -and MANY on this forum - need to be fixed.

"People can have 6 fingers on one hand and you won't hear them go into the details about what in their genetics caused it. "

Maybe they don't know of don't care. But it's still genetics that caused it. There's still a basic bioloigical set up and cause and effect series whether they know it, aknowledge it or want to aknowledge it. Their 6 fingers didn't spring from philosophy or choice. Their 6 fingers may not be the norm, but it isn't an "evil", either. I don't know howlong some of you have been in the "community" but it hasn't really changed much at all. Peopel have always had their desires, wishes and preferences in reguards to tickling. People want to laugh and scorn tickling? Let 'em - as long as I'm within the law and resonably discrete I don't need their approval to function how I want to in private or semi private. They aren't invited to the party. EVERY fetishistic type of behavior has been hidden, downplayed or scorned somewhat through history, from crossdressing to latex freaks. And that's in U.S. culture - not always true in other cultures, and it's easily forgotten that the Internet is international. You could even call it...oh, a world wide web.

Come to a gathering and see how people of every stripe play. SAFELY, whether they do it lightly or heavily. Come and (don't) see the amazinly huge number of people who are tickling each unconsentingly into fits of uncontrolled sexual orgies.

Now, quick, let's close this thread beofre someone replies! It's been deemed by moral purpose that it has served its purpose!!

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

I didn't dispute that and your agreeing with critterlord is like agreeing with me. I don't feel any different about it than he does. And rather than challenge every point you made with something equally potent, I'll leave it be. I've got nothing to prove. I also brought up the 6 fingers things just to hear you say that. It was a set up. I ALREADY know that, and I used it as an example. A person isn't going to care what caused the 6 fingers, only what can be done about them. I've not judged the person in any way. Just as I haven't judged any others in the tickling community. What I have done is judged the extremity of their activities. It also cannot be denied that the extremes some take it too are the cause of the current state of the community and how people see it from our side, and the outside. Trust me, we aren't hardly as harsh as the world at large would be. At least we mean well.

Next time, if there is a next time, get some courage to say my name and call me by it, and not refer to me as "they". I've paid that respect to you at least, and I expect the same in return. If you cannot, then I've no reason to respect you at all.

Since ticklmmmeeeeeee isn't here to handle this, I'll have to ask that the thread be closed myself to prevent further back and forth comments like this, after the topic is over.


- Damien

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

The PM has been sent. I'd ask thar you just leave this thread that had nothing to do with you, on your own accord. The only people that have a reason to be here are her, me, and well wishers.

True, we've had meaningless posts after the fact, but they were nothing like this until you became involved. The fact is, we were done, and you started it up again. So its on you, not me. Don't even bother responding to this. It proves nothing, it shows nothing, and it gets you absolutely nothing.

If you want to try and chew me out, do it over PM, but not here.

I may have said things you didn't like or want to hear, but at least I wasn't rude about it, like you have been. You exagerated my intent, my words, and have nothing to show for it.


- Damien

 

[Oddjob0226]

>>>>>I didn't dispute that and your agreeing with critterlord is like agreeing with me. <<<

Well, then I agree with you. But I'm basing my response on his words and the words you (and others, see below) have used in this thread.

>>>>>I don't feel any different about it than he does. And rather than challenge every point you made with something equally potent, <<<

But why not? A good debate/argument/dissagreement can really be something! Seriously, that's not sarchasm - I could learn something, and possibly you could too, or even a 3rd person/lurker might discover a new point. What am I missing from your contentions? What do I feel you're missing when I post mine? By challenges and rebuttles we investigate this. This is the place to do it and it's great exercise. Unless I've offended you beyond response, which I am honestly sorry for, or you've gotten bored, which I don't blame you for! There have been arguments on the TMF FAR worse than this one.....

>>>>> I also brought up the 6 fingers things just to hear you say that. It was a set up. I ALREADY know that, and I used it as an example.<<<

A set up how? It was an example of a biological occurring physical anomolay, similarly to a person who likes tickling on a level thats more than the passing playful interest that most have. And nature isn't "innocent" per se, it just is. Tickling at a basic, biological level seems to raise a natural agression (or, competition) in people. It may be innocent in the same way football is innocent, but people who have the attraction to the more agrressive degrees of tickling have simply sprung from the same well as all those interested in tickling. They just 'sprung' farther. Check some of the renfaire video footage that's out there - there's a lot of normal non-fetish people who ENJOY making someone who's trapped laugh, thrash, beg and even scream all in the name of harmless tickling fun. My point is that, if people into the aggressive stuff are seen as bad guys or into something bad, as has been maintained by "they" (not only you), then anyone interested in tickling as more than a playful diversion are bad, since some contest, a manipulating of another's body, seems to be inherently involved.

>>>>>Just as I haven't judged any others in the tickling community. What I have done is judged the extremity of their activities.<<<<

I agree, again, extreme behavior is often unnattractive when it's consenting, and illegal when it is not. But I don't know if I'd call a lingeree photo of a woman tickling or being tickled 'extreme', especially in a place designed for adults. Yet this seems to be what you are against on a G-rated site. And while I agree that this wouldn't be appropriate on a G-rated site, simply by reading your past posts, if it's not material fit for a G-rated site then it's material that's a bit off or wierd and not belonging in a community that is considered "good". So if people don't like the light stuff, they are into something bad or evil. Maybe this is not what you meant but this is how it reads to me and I responded in a way based on my interpretation. There's a lot of different stuff posted on the TMF, but usually there's some kind of caveat to what's posted - M/F, nudity, etc... - so that those not into the material will not accidently stumble into it. Most other tickling sites have warnings as well, (yes, not always, but in general this is how it is) so if someone comes across somenthing thay consider offputting or too extreme, they likely shouldn't have been there in the first place. Which is why I do support a "light site". I just don't like that people are in the wrong if they want something else and are responsible about it. Communities such as this are usually pretty good about policing themselves BECAUSE they don't want judgement to fall upon them. If there are some bad folks out there, keep your ears open and you'll hear about them. Or speak out when someone does something questionable. Throwing the 'dark/caveman' blanket over people isn't accurate.


When I see stuff like "dark side" "good", "light side" "mess to clean up" it's bothersome and does reek of a self aggradnizing morality & judgement, especially when I've been interested in tickling since a young age, been involved with contacting others into tickling since 1985, and have been to and hosted a gathering, fantasizing and playing both light and extreme and still haven't hurt anyone yet. Nor do I "recruit" to get people involved. I speak from experience that those who want to meet people, call people or write people make an honest, if not always perfect, effort to have fun & fellowship with an interest they didn't ask for or may not fully even understand or be comfortable with.

Honestly - while I have heard people looking for lighhter tickling stuff, I haven't heard anyone really saying that there's particularly a real problem exsisting in the tickling world at large, either. Really, it's news to me. But apparently others do think this. I just think it's a little strange. The community's always been fragmented; this isn't a new development because things are going 'too far'.


>>>>It also cannot be denied that the extremes some take tickling to are the cause of the current state of the community and how people see it from our side, and the outside. Trust me, we aren't hardly as harsh as the world at large would be. At least we mean well.<<<

Again, what is this 'current state' that others (?) are alluding to? And if we are discrete, lawful and respectful, what do 'we' care about what the outside world thinks?


>>>Next time, if there is a next time, get some courage to say my name and call me by it, and not refer to me as "they". I've paid that respect to you at least, and I expect the same in return. If you cannot, then I've no reason to respect you at all.<<<


Courage? You mean I should use use your anonymous screen name that we ALL hide behind on the TMF? I shall continue to express myself as I see fit to best express my arguments. In case this was another set-up, I said "they" because there IS more than one person on this thread thinking non-G-rated-tickling = bad. The example was specific to you, but these views seem to be shared by others as well, and I'm putting forth the contention that the views are either erronous or based on a false idea. And while respect has nothing to do with it- I'm here for fun and enjoyment and no one needs to be saluting me and calling me sir - your disrespect started when you were lumping others who didn't appreciate tickling your way as people doing bad things and ruining a community. It became your duty to "clean" up "a mess". It's disrespectful when someone creates a website about her interests, invites others to explore it, then closes the site down in an act of of guilt or modesty (which is fine) THEN acts judgemental to those who partake in enjoying the same interests reflected by her. And then other people chime in on the topic of good and rightousness. That's not even disrespectful, it's goofy.

When the new G-rated site is open, I'll be there to enjoy it because I support ticklmmeeee's decision, I'll direct other interested parties to it, I think there's a place for such material and I do enjoy that aspect of tickling as well. I just also have interests that go broader than that, and it's treatment towards others that determines what's a mess, what's ruining a community and what is bad, not what material one desires or shares with other willing, adult, responsible consenting people.

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

I have gotten a bit bored with this, per say. The outcome is also clear, and it would be better to stop it now before it went any further. The PM has been sent. Whether or not he will act on it is another matter. I just don't feel that theres any point in continuing since the thread has served its purpose. Now, if you wanted or felt the need to bring this topic more out into the open, that would be another matter. I just feel it would be an act of courtesy to stop right now and let it go.

Alas, I have to respond lest it make it look like you got the best of me, and I refuse to let that happen. I'm just as stubborn as your proving to be. 😀 😛


Its late here now, so I'll make it as short as I can. Do note, I could have done MUCH BETTER, but I'm keeping it simple for energy's sake.

First, its good that you see what I and the others are doing, plan to do, and want to see happen.

However, the problem that has now come about seems that you feel (and tell me if I'm wrong) that we out to hunt those in the community that take tickling to a more extreme, more adult nature. This is not true, for the record, and an assumption like that by anyone reading this thread is only natural. When ever someone trys to invoke change or new ideals, or re-affirm something, it tends to look bad. Its just a stigma that can't be helped. It shakes people. So much so that they question the ultimate aim of the group in question. We aren't heretics, and don't aim to divide anything, only provide a more balanced environment. It would be no understatement to say that the ideals the others and I are trying to re-establish have been driven back, held back, and there are little to no outlets for us. Since those involved have the skills to pay the bills, its our duty to speak out in full about our intent.

I've chosen to take this agressively, as I don't believe it can be done with a bleeding heart attitude or neutral stance. Things only get done when you make then happen.

The things you agree with I needn't comment on. What else...

I think your taking it too far yourself, and I do feel you've assumed several things about our position on this.

I think you are exagerating unfairly by using terms like "good", "bad", "evil", "light". That can really change how people see this, and not in a good way. We, or at least not I am saying there is anything wrong with wanting what you want. I have stated several times already, as have the others that we have no problem with what you want.

My comment about the fragmentation of the community is probably my strongest point. I feel that because people include nudity and sexuality in the media they create, it has in turn created this fragmentation,and it truely boils down to that. The content is the single greatest problem, not the person, not they're fetish. I feel there is not enough responsiblity in this community whereas you think there is, and things are too mixed into other things when they clearly should have their own place and following. Thats what we are going to do. Seperate the colors from the whites, so to speak. I honestly think that by sorting out what is what, and what about that what we like (LOL) that it refines our likes, and makes it FAR easier to identify not only what we want, but how to get it, and where to get it. Just as the TMF is an entity all its own, and functions to serve all levels of individuals with varying tickling fetishes. I feel that our liking, for the more innocent, more cute, more pure (literally, since it involves no nudity, no perversion, no sex) side of tickling isn't being represented properly in such a way that we could guide those that see it as we do towards us so that they can partake of our media just as the TMF helps its members partake of its own media.

Surely some think we're kids for wanting something "G-Rated" and without blemish, and likewise we or at least I feel you are taking it to a point that things other than tickling are thrown into the mix and change what tickling is or means. I honesty believe video companies are also to blame for this fragmentation. Alot of what goes on in these video from what I've heard, and the clips I've seen have nothing to do with tickling, yet they are raping the act by using it to introduce new elements, to hook the viewer. Obviously this impacts the wants and desires of the vulnerable community. They know how to push your buttons and what it will take for you to buy from them. Its because of that that it further fragments the community, divides it, and leaves me and the countless others like me with little recourse, and little selection. We end up having to pretend the images we see weren't derived from some sexual premise. Yet another reason my art skills and the skills of the others will come to be very important and what will ultimately save us or send us back to square one. We will create our very own media, and to hell with videos!

I also don't like this being called "G-rated". It makes it look like a kiddy playground. Its just as mature and as real as what you are doing. The truth is, our tickling ideals are more general in nature, and not so dependant on just one thing.

I for one will take great pride in not having to have a "warning 18 years or older only. Content may be of an adult nature, blah blah blah (covering my ass) blah blah."

The fact we won't need a pre-warning screen, the fact we won't need to make excuses for whats inside, and the fact we can be totally sure of the rightiousness and sheer goodness and values we represent makes this ever more sweet.

I'm sure the others would agree.

I don't think you should call her or us all, goofy. She didn't deserve that and we didn't deserve that. She had those groups, didn't realize what she was doing, realized it, saw that she didn't like it, and did something about it. I feel your having said that is more directed at me than at her. I'll bet you think I'm behind it right? And if it weren't for me those groups might still be there, right?

Well too bad. I helped a person realize something for herself. Not something I told her to believe, but something she just hadn't seen before. It was a personal choice on her part. She had those sites and I don't believe they were making her happy. And I believe she just got so caught up in wanting to please other people that she forgot what she herself wanted. I unknowingly opened her eyes and the result speaks for itself. And as far as us "chiming" in, what do you expect? Another one of us has joined the fold. Its not like we're some fringe, degenerate group. And the topic about goodness and everything else ties in with out likes. Likes to which she proclaims herself. I doubt she was happy before, but shes happy now. Thats quite evident in her posts as you can see. Shes been liberated.

As far as your support, well, we'll see. I think you speak too soon, personally. And I myself have likes that go beyond this, so please don't try and make this seem stuffy or cramped. Its got far more potential any other type of tickling does. Everything I've said in this thread, I've said with reason. They weren't statements to get attention, and I made sure to explain. How you intepreted it is not my fault and not my problem.

Ultimately, your going to see things your way and I'm going to see things my way. I want what I want, and you want what you want. I've made it a point to not assume a thing about anything anyone has said in this thread. You have already assumed several things, misinterpreted them, and even exagerated them. This has happend so much to a point that its not worth explaining each and every thing over again, or replying to each of your points any further. While I have the choice to stop, I shouldn't have to. This thread evolved into a thread for our cause, and your crashing the party, and your stay is now overwelcome. The thread is done, and will be closed whether because I did something about it, or she will. So you can take comfort in that hopefully, and be on your way. Let me enjoy and savor this thread for what its worth in peace.


- Damien

 

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Thread topic finished. Closed at user request.

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