Debate: Why isn't racism wrong when it comes from minorites?

[Dave2112]

I saw something on TV that really bothered me, but let me set up the context of this arguement first.

A few weeks ago, a man where I work was fired from the day shift for telling a racist joke. I repeat the joke here only to put my complaint in proper context:

Q: Why don't blacks and Puerto Ricans mix?
A: Thier kids would be too lazy to steal.

Now, the guy who told this joke deserved to be fired, especially since he told it with several blacks in the store at the time. Never really liked the guy anyway, he's an all-around redneck ass. But here's the funny thing...

There is a promo clip playing on TV right now for a new fall show called "Luis", starring a mostly hispanic cast. The lead actor says something to his wife about why they should have had a boy. "Then he could have grown up to play for the Yankees like a Dominican's supposed to!"

She answers back: "Yeah, but he'd have been half Puerto Rican, so he'd be too lazy to practice."

Almost the same joke that got our redneck friend fired.

My question is this? Why are racial sterotypes not tolerated by our society, but we can market them if performed by the minorities themselves? How can a guy get fired for saying almost the exact same thing that's being promoted with a Pepsi logo in the corner of the screen? Apparently advertisers haven't shied away from this. Has racism and political correctness become selective?

This is simply something that bugged me, because it doesn't make sense. Just wanted to hear some other thoughts.

 

[mabus]

It goes further. A black person can say whatever they want, no matter how racially hatefilled it is, but a white person must always watch their mouth or they will quickly fired or chastised. Black people can throw the dreaded "N" word around in every other sentence, but today if a white person says it, even by mistake, he or she can kiss their careers goodbye. I've almost heard it all, and I know it gets a lot worse. "White people can't stand to see black people have fun." "White people hate to see black people laugh." White people this, white people that. If you disagree with anything the NAACP says, you are immediatly labeled a racist and must apologize.

I want to see black people succeed, and it frustrates me to see whole attitudes keeping them down, and they readily subscribe to them. "Don't do well in school, you'll just be acting white." Same goes for your job performance. "Drugs really are cool" Even though you'll be kept down your whole life - did dug addiction ever help anyone? I don't think so. "Women are just bitches and *****s," as the rap artists always shout. Why don't black women get pissed off at that!

We hear so much about the evils of slavery. Even though no one alive today, or their parents, or grandparents owned slaves. My family was poor all through the generations, believe me, they had no slaves. But what does our generation owe this generation, when we never owned slaves, and none of them were ever slaves?
But alas, there ARE slaves, REAL slaves, in today's world. But, they are owned by other blacks, so you never hear about them. Islamic militants in Sudan have enslaved hundreds of black Christians, but does Jesse Jackson go over there and raise hell? Yeah, right. This situation has got to end, but won't anytime soon.

Let me tell you, in today's world, there are constants that will get you to success, no matter what color you are. Get educated, work hard, show up to work on time, do the job, be nice. I'm best friends with an old black lady at my job, who does all this, who does extra work, and she got employee of the month SEVERAL times. She has no worries about being fired, because she's a good worker. I truely believe a lot of workers who get fired and yell "racism" were just bad workers! If I'm ever a director, I could care less what color my workers are. All I would care about is will they show up on time, do the job, and do it well. White, black, asian, latino, doesn't matter. Will they work, or won't they.

People complain that we never had a black president. Has a good candidate ever run? No one will vote for the highest office in the land just to say "Hey, we got out first black president!" In fact, the guy I voted for for president, my first choice, was Alan Keyes, a black Republican.
There's only one guy who I would ever actually go out there and campaign for for president of the United States. His name is Larry Elder, a black conservative radio host.

 

[TklDuo-Ann]

Racism and biggotry are wrong...no matter who's expressing it or in what manner. Is there a degree of OVERsensativity to it in some individual cases? Sure there is...just like there's overindulgence in it by other individuals.

Having grown up in a home with a father and older brother whose favorite passtime was to put down anyone not like them, I've heard a lot over the years. It still makes me sick. It's so ignorant that you'd think those voicing such crap would be embarrassed. People are people. I don't care what they look like or where they came from. An individual is either good, bad or (like most of us)somewhere in between.

Should the guy have been fired? Probably not strictly for telling a single joke in poor taste. (I'm assuming that there were other issues before that.) But, it DOES send a solid statement to others to not start that kind of garbage.

As for allowing it from those in the group being talked about, I guess it's back to the fact that we're getting more and more desensitized to garbage. Then, there's the effort to turn negatives into positives. I have a brother who happens to be gay. It used to be that refering to someone as a bitch was an insult in the gay community. Now, it's a term of affection for many. The same is true for calling someone a nigger/nigga. Most people say it intending insult. But, for others, it's a term of affection or bonding with the individual. Personally, I would still rather not hear it. But, OTOH, I don't mind seeing a negative being turned to a "positive". AFA rap use of these terms, most of what I've heard seems intended for shock value. Need I say more?

Ann

 

[grippedchimp]

I want to see black people succeed, and it frustrates me to see whole attitudes keeping them down, and they readily subscribe to them. "Don't do well in school, you'll just be acting white."

Remember what Chris Rock said about the war between black people and n*****s? He said he loves black people but hates n*****s, because the former want to be educated and purposely do well in life, but the latter regard books as Kryptonite. OK, so it's easy to him to say that for the colour of his skin, but it's also one of the most thought-provoking moments of comedy I witnessed. He's an intelligent man, and people like him appeal to just about everyone, 'cos he speaks the truth, although others may feel uncomfortable with that.

I think certain rap artists are somewhat hypocritical in their ways. For example, I was given a tape and it was Brand Nubian's album "In God We Trust". Basically, they're members of The Nation Of Islam, and the amount of anti-white man statements they come up with are useless, lacking depth and full of uneducated hate. They also mention who they'll "steal your ho" after doing a gig, breaking the law and constantly criticising cops ("Man, these black ones are just as bad as the motherfuckin' white ones" - from "Black and Blue"), while constantly talking about teaching unbelievers and worship the fellow black man and Allah. Now, pardon my observance, but I never knew rituals in the NoI involved indiscriminate killing, adultery and hating others with no just reason. Doesn't make for very decent holy living, does it?

Black people can throw the dreaded "N" word around in every other sentence, but today if a white person says it, even by mistake, he or she can kiss their careers goodbye

It's a similar way to how gay men turned the word "queer" from offensive to a general term. Then again, it's true that no-one else should say the N word to blacks...

Sometimes, political correctness can go wrong. People act non-racist, but sometimes they do want to crack the odd racist joke, and it's at the most inopportune time. I suppose history is not so easily forgotten, as people are still uncomfortable with its legacy... but I'm not sure... as always...

 

[Limeoutsider]

I dont like the minorities that have the attitude of "I cant get a good job because Im ______, Im on welfare because Im _____ and theres nothing I can do about it, I was speeding/driving recklessly, but I was only pulled over because Im __________" Those attitudes irritate me to no end.

 

[blankpage]

Not to nitpick but...

By definition, that is not racism.
Racism is defined as exercising the power to refuse people (jobs/assistance/service/whatever) because of race.
That's just, at worst, prejudiced talk, and at best, a joke in poor taste.

I really don't have a problem with discrimination, as long as it doesn't get in my way.

 

[Knox The Hatter]

I have a stopwatch here timing when Bella comes in and offers her two bits.
Now, when she does (and it's as predictable as Sunday arriving at midnight), I'm hoping that the discourse here can keep at least some semblance of an intellectual bent, in the face of the torrents of pure emotion that will surely arrive.

Before she does, though, I pose a question: if the Black experience in America, which is closing in on four centuries now, has been at very best an irrational one (dragged in chains overseas, slavery, Plessy vs. Ferguson, inhuman treatment, etc.), then how can we judge them on the almost certainly dysfunctional way they look at America, especially since the viewpoint is almost always universal in scope, given those four centuries, and not just since last Tuesday?

As a community, African-Americans have a very, very strong sense of their own history and their own experience, and seem to have done amazingly well in a land where it's been made clear to them, in millions of ways, over the decades, that if they're not human chattel, they might as well just pick up and go, because they're not wanted here. I notice there are no shortage of whites who refuse to understand their perspective, who expressed shock and dismay when their Black acquaintances voiced lukewarm opinions about rallying around the flag after 9/11...and they would rather die than try to do the intellectual gymnastics involved in walking a mile in their shoes.

One of the biggest problems in our society is our phobia in communicating with one another. People on all sides are scared to death of voicing their opinions, making observations, getting to know one another better. As long as this mindset prevails, things can only become worse in relations between ALL Americans. We have to overcome this natural tendency in our fabric to isolate ourselves from one another. If not, we're all in trouble. 😱

 

[red indian]

Just a few points..........

......Political correctness always has been selective in my veiw, at the root of it lies white middle class liberal "guilt" about slavery, apartite, discrimination, racsism, lynch mobs, global warming, crime, litter, ozone depletion, ....blah blah....and certain elements in all minorities have used it to beat these same liberals over the head ever since.

I think the ultimate form of "pc" Nazisim was when the black film director Spike Jones objected to black actors using the word "nigger" becuase they had been written by the white film director Quentin Tarrantino.

I have always been struck by the contradiction in americans from red necks to bleeding heart liberals that makes them at the very least feel guilty about using the N word but yet allows you all to say what the hell you like about canadians!!

 

[tickler_n_black]

before is start typing, know this people:

I AM NOT RACIST.
I LIKE PEOPLE OF ALL BACKGROUNDS AND SKIN TONE.
I LIKE BLACK PEOPLE A LOT. I HAVE SOME AS GOOD FRIENDS.
RACISM SUCKS AND PEOPLE CONTRIBUTING TO IT SHOULD BE SLAPPED AROUND.

that being said i've often took note of what dave2112 is saying. for example: Black Entertainment TV Channel? what is someone to think? are asians, whites, & middle easterners not supposed to watch that channel? is there a channel on tv specifically labeled White Entertainment TV? if there was wouldn't it cause an uproar? i would rather there be no channels whos title says its for certain colors only.

were white people assholes to start slavery many moons ago? hell yes. big assholes and i wouldn't share a meal with anyone of them losers. but are white people today buying, selling and using black people as slaves? no. should they be punished for what their great great great great grandparents did? no.

i like to play flag football at the local sports park. damn a lot of black guys are fast and great players. 🙂 i fully admit it. but i also notice that as friendly and as open as i am to them, i really don't get the time of day from them. why? i have never ever displayed racism to them or anyone else. it's like im not in the clic' or something. it has gone as far as me sticking out my hand and saying "good game, nice plays" to a 21 year old black kid and he literally, purposely ignored me and walked right past. no handshake. no comments in return. no eye contact. for the life of me i can't understand how there is still that much hate inside people.

flipside: yes, there is that much hate inside many white people too. and they are as much of assholes as all the other haters of any and every color. im not taking sides. there are no side. there shouldn't be any sides.

my conclusion is this: the world is in big trouble. hate is far more widespread than love. and it sucks. but i WONT CONTRIBUTE to the hate.

general question for all, because i dont know the answer:
why do you rarely see a black woman marry or date a white man?
why to you commonly see a white woman marry or date a black man?
what's the difference? why so lopsided?

 

[Knox The Hatter]

Political correctness is such a brain dead concept. All based on uninformed assumptions. Now, what is the three letter root of the word 'assumptions'? I rest my case...

 

[mabus]

The greatest aspect about America has always been, or should have always been, the fact that we can have "national discussions," where the nation talks about and debates ideas freely. I mean, in people in China or Iraq tried that they just be shot. There is always talk about how black people and white people need to talk to one another, but white people have one hand tied behind their back. They can't say many things, many words, and ask many questions without being attacked. So, they just stop caring.

Remember that lady, I checked on google but can't find her name, the one who was burned inside her house by gang members. She would always go outside and confront the drug dealers in her neighborhood, call the cops on them, harass them. One night they set her house on fire, killing her and all her children. Now, I sat back and waited for what was SUPPOSED to happen. She would be turned into a national hero. Blacks and whites together would rally around her memory, a mother who braved unbelievable evil to make her home and street safe for her kids, and payed the ultimate price for her bravery. Her city would rise up and stage an anti-riot, instead of attacking innocent people, they would, in mass, attack the drug dealers and burn their possessions, and the cops would stay back and with a wink say, "Man, we got to wait till this calms down..." In all these neighborhoods, the good people outnumber the bad.

And I waited. ...nothing. What happened - they protested at city hall because the mayor should have done more. DID THE MAYOR KILL THIS FAMILY!? THE GODDAMN DRUG DEALERS DID, ATTACK THEM FOR CHRISSAKES!!!!!!! But that's how it goes, and now she's forgotten. We talk about hero's, mentioning sports stars and actors. She was a REAL hero, who was quickly forgotten by the black community.

Which brings me to the greater questions that need to be asked:
-Why do the majority of blacks have no problem with the rampant drug dealing and use when they know, or should know, that drugs can only keep you down?
-Why does the black community too many times turn a blind eye to crime, which keeps neighborhoods stinking ghettos and makes the good people live in fear of gangs?
-Why do blacks in America ignore the present day intensely brutal slavery in Africa where black slaves routinely have LIMBS macheted off, where children are hacked to death; yet they complain about slavery that happened a hundred years ago and that never affected them?
-Why do black women and feminists of all colors ignore the mistreatment of many black women at the hands of black men, but readily rail against the evils of white men? The number of black single mothers has skyrocketed, the number of black men who refuse to take responsibility for their own children is high, abuse of black women, verbal and physical is high, and yet few seem to have a problem with this.
-Why is education looked down upon in the black community, when that is the only way to make it in the world a ANY time? Education will always be the way to success, yet many black children face bullying if they are perceived to be trying to "be white."

I know many girls at work who tell their kids to study hard, who make them do their homework. One girl's child has straight A's, and all the others are doing very well in school. The ones who don't care have kids that are failing, and they just sit around and bitch about the teachers and the education in America and bitch, bitch, bitch. The kids who do want to do well must compete with the kids who just want to disrupt class.

Let me tell a story. One of my best friends was a teacher, who was black, taught at one of those "bad" schools, inner city type school. The principal was black, most of the staff was black, great people by the way. (I meant "bad" school because society called them bad, the teachers were great people.) Now this guy is a priest, but he told me a sory once when a horrible storm came through our area. All the schools were closed, everything was shutdown, it was on the radio and news. The principal goes to check on the school, to make sure it wasn't damaged, see if he needed to be prepared to call in people to repair whatever was messed up. He gets to school, and is stunned - there's 50 or 60 kids standing outside! Their parents just dropped them off a school! School was a babysitting service, basically. Everyone knew there wasn't any school that day, they all knew the big storm was coming. So he had to open up the gym and let everyone ride out the storm there. And that's how it is in many of these bad neighborhoods. These parents don't care about their kids education, they sit back and blame the government for everything, and portray themselves as perpetual victims. "It's everyone's elses fault but mine." That seems to be the basic liberal mindset.

Yes, slavery was bad, as was life before civil rights. But those days are OVER. I'm a Cajun, my people were thrown out of Canada, their homes were burned, and we had to live in a damn swamp. But no cajuns today blame Canada, we don't care! You take what you have now, your present life, and make the best of it. Everyone's ancestors were persecuted in some way, unless your the royal family, and how many of them were beheaded? The constant victimization has got to end. We live in country that is free, and yet people look at the government with their hand sticking out and demand that Uncle Sam fill it up.

 

[blankpage]

"It's everyone's elses fault but mine." That seems to be the basic liberal mindset.

It's interesting to note that this is also the basic conservative mindset.

I submit to the jury that everyone has that attitude and we should tone down the liberal vs. conservative tone this thread is taking. And tickling is great!

 

[drew70]

Originally posted by tieler

Fact is i don't see to many black models in any of the other companies videos. But lets get this rolling, why are the majority of the models in videos white? I mean blakc, hispanic and asian women are ticklish too. I want to hear some responses to this.

Does anybody else find it disturbing that somebody would go to the trouble of counting up members of the different races to see if it (forgive the horrid cliche born out of political extremism) "reflects the face of America"? The fact that somebody would even take notice of such a thing, much less bring it up in conversation, speaks of a compulsion born of racism to find fault at any cost...a chip on the shoulder the size of the continental shelf. In my opinion, it's these attitudes that perpetuate this vicious cycle of racism. "Oh look, that restaurant has five waitresses, but they don't collectively reflect the face of America. I certainly can't eat there." Give me a break!

 

[BellaRisa]

I promise you, BellaRisa videos will feature at least one woman of color in most of our work 😉.

As for why you don't see more models of color, it's simple: rarely do they want to appear in fetish material. We video producers look for ticklish models who won't freak out about being on a website, color isn't a priority-it can't be if we want to stay in business. We also go by what our customers seem to prefer, based on sales and feedback.

Bella

www.BellaRisa.com

 

[drew70]

tieler, I apologize for singling you out. You're right. Racism is a big problem in America, but it's bigger than people realize and for different reasons. My derision wasn't meant to be directed at you personally, but rather the mindset I (perhaps mistakenly) understood you to embrace. A mindset that feels that entertainment, the workplace, and basically every public institution be required to be outfitted with a staff that reflects "America's diversity." I'm of the mind that an employer should be able to hire people based on traditional criteria such as years of experience, level of education, references, that kind of thing. But thanks to affirmative action, they have to hire based on racial profiling, to create a "workplace diversity." Yet it's illegal to take race into consideration when considering an applicant. In other words, it's okay to say, "I'm going to hire that person because he/she is of such-and-such minority, but it's not okay to say "I won't hire that person because he/she is of such-and-such minority." A bit lopsided, don't you think?

But getting back to the discussion of Black Entertainment, I have no problem with a show devoted to any particular minority. You say you've never seen tickling videos with tickler and ticklee both being black? Then allow me to be the first to introduce you to www.ebonyticklers.com/main.htm and www.feetishes.com/main.htm

 

[tickler_n_black]

Most of the posts here have been interesting to read, but I must tazke exception to TIB's post. He drags out that old chestnut, "Black Entertainment Channel, What if there were a WHite Entertainment channel?" There is, its called ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN. BET is a network devoted to showing well, black entertainment.

yeah. uh. i kinda feared this would happen. look i really am not here to argue about BET my friend. i'm not going ape shit and turning somersaults because BET channel exists. it really doesn't bother me to any certain degree. i was just thinking out loud when typing that.

i will think out loud again now though, lol.
ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, none of those letters stand for the actual words White Entertainment Television. none of them. some people like to say that's the kind of channels they are. some may argue that there are a lot of white sitcoms on and stuff but heck i can think of numerous shows that feature black actors, if not every actor black in some shows.
im wondering though, because i really don't have an idea on the numbers, but isn't the USA about 70% or more inhabited by "white" people? if so it would probably isn't out of the ordinary that there is about 70% of what you call "white" tv shows, to meet the wants of the viewing public. that may be one reason why there is more "white" programs out there than "black" ones. i don't know. i'm asking for opinion on this and asking for the correct percentage of the population. anyone know it?

further, please, don't even go there about the "not that many black ticklees" in videos. you have no idea how many black women we've tried to hire over the years. but tieler im not debating with you or trying to stir the pot, i am just thinking out loud. i wish there were no colors. i'd be happy with every human being being black if thats what it takes to stop racism. i'll switch over! 🙂

 

[tickler_n_black]

I promise you, BellaRisa videos will feature at least one woman of color in most of our work 😉.

As for why you don't see more models of color, it's simple: rarely do they want to appear in fetish material.

Bella

bella can i have this dance? she (bella) speaks the truth! 😎 we've been turned down by so many black models its crazy. it must be something about their way of life, or family value system, or their fiesty personalities (swiveling their heads side to side on their neck) that doesn't mesh well with being tied up and made to laugh out of control. can anyone shed more light on this because its real? it has been VERY HARD for us to hire black models.
🙁

 

[Amnesiac]

A Different Perspective

Like Tieler, I have my two cents to add...but I don't expect you've heard this type of argument before.

I think what we're dealing with, and I mean collectively, not racially, is a conflict of culture.

Modern history(20th Century and up), has been the time when our scientific advancement has shown us that many of our old traditions and habits are responsible for ATROCIOUS deeds. Naturally, the response of the young generation is to COMPENSATE for what was done. After a while, this turns into OVERCOMPENSATION. Europeans have been grouped together and called "white" people and therefore they are responsible for what happened in the past. Therefore, they should feel guilty about what happened. Germans have been placed in the same situation after what happened in WWII.

The question of this thread seems to pertain to why black culture is accepting of racist remarks from its own members, but not from others can be partially answered by examining the history of the culture. In the case of black communities, I think the root of this lies in maladjusted history. I'll give you an example:

You may have heard black comedians make the familiar jokes about the black mom or dad who had an affinity for the belt. In fact, jokes about corporal punishment (a rather authoritarian version) run rampant in black culture. In a discussion we had in a social politics class in college, this was addressed by a black student with a major-in-progress of anthropology. He told the class that intense corporal punishment was used to keep children extremely obedient so that they would not be sold off as easily as others because they were not errant or rambunctious. However, it has been over a century since black people were sold and the urgency of corporal punishment has lost its merit...but it still continues. In a sense, the ACTION was so common for so long that it became RITUALISTIC and then became TRADITION, which is probably why it is considered part of black culture.

Now, the double standard probably has the same origin. Black people, oppressed in slavery and then oppressed with Jim Crow laws and their peripherals, more than likely adopted a hard, defensive and exclusive communal identity, which probably defined itself as poor, put-upon and despised by all others. And like the corporal punishment trait, this perspective on self has probably become part of the culture because it has been around so long. Black people probably accept the racial slurs by black comedians because they do not think of them as outsiders.

The "acting white" clause is part of it too. Erudite, intelligent, financially stable sophistication has been, for several centuries, a quality of European (enslavers) culture. Therefore, it seems very likely that any black person behaving or living like a "white" person is thought of as an outsider because they are not behaving according to the tenets of black culture; they are behaving like the oppressors.

But there is also one other problem with this. One of the adaptations a culture makes is resistance to change. Most of the institutions that held blacks back in the past no longer exist...but the cultural perspective is that they do. If the nation had to accept that the "white" ceiling no longer existed, than the cultural perspective of poor, oppressed and put-upon people would have to change, and with it, all the benefits that come with the OVERCOMPENSATION that "white" people have done in the last 30 years. This is not exclusively relegated to blacks...every nationality, including and ESPECIALLY whites have done this.

The fear of change has to do with the fact that nobody knows where to go. Tradition has had answers and patterns for as long as people can recall. But if you have to abandon tradition and rewrite the culture, how do you know what will work and what won't? How do you know what is good and what is bad, especially since the old criteria is thrown out? And how do you protect yourselves against opportunistic people from exploiting the community for their own purposes? No one has a standard of solutions for this, so most cultures remain unchanged for this reason.

Are white people to blame for this? In a sense, yes because Europeans were responsible for MOST of the trade of African slaves. But I think you can blame most of this on human qualities. I think the ritual abuse and rape of slaves has more to do with the human tendencies to abuse power and convert the thirst for it into perverse acts of affirmation, i.e. raping a woman to show that you can take what you want when you want (thus "proving" that your power is tangible and reinforcing the belief that you have it), than actual contempt for a race; and that comes with the limits fo the human brain, who cannot perceive most things outside the linear, material world.

So that about wraps it up as far as I know at the moment. Gnaw on this and write out what you think.

 

[Deleted member 2452]

trying to remain calm

first; who do you think sold the slaves to the white slavers? it was other africans! black, and arab! slavery has roots in all race, and ethnic heritages! to constantly single out the slave trade of black slaves being brought to america is imbicilic. b.t.w. owning slaves has been illegal in america since 1863, that's 140 years. but the importation of slaves was stopped long before that!

you know there is reverse descrimination buy looking at the jokes; has anyone ever been fired, and even admonished for telling an irish joke? or a polack joke?

it's hard to take a people seriously, and with respect, when their out of wedlock birth rate is over 70%.

as to black women in videos. i'd like to point to something luck andre said of black women; their feet are usually ugly. another point, i have tried to tickle 8 different black women over the years, not one of them was ticklish! zip, nada! maybe ,if they were more ticklish as a group they'd be in more videos!

steve

 

[Knox The Hatter]

Great points, Amn. We pretty much see eye to eye; you've taken the points I wanted to articulate myself, and did a magnificent job.
I also don't think we're gonna get any further than we are relying on random generalizations. In other words, Steve, the only thing that happened was, you got dealt a bad hand. I've met many black women with sensitive tootsies. And many of them had tootsies that, aesthetically, were to die for. Sorry to have brought this up, but I just couldn't resist.
Also, may I testify to one plain fact: Bella's feet are classically beautiful. I've seen them in person. I know...

 

[red indian]

Fancy missing this out!...........

.......I had a relationship with a black woman for a number of years and she would play the "race card" quiet shamelessly when ever it suited her. Any argument or discussion in wich she found herself on the back foot, would end up with her working "discrimination" or "racisim" in to the debate just to scare people off, and it worked! she would think nothing of accusing ME of being "racisist" and of course any attempt to point out the rather obvious flaw in this accusation would end up with me "in the shithouse" for at least a week!!

 

[Knox The Hatter]

Red, just wondering: just because this woman behaved like this (and it is an awful way to behave, childish and infuriating rate as good adjectives), does it mean the next Black girl who catches your eye will do the same, that is, if she would date White guys anyway?
Not all Black people think alike, not all Black people act alike, not all Black people look alike. I know, it's a hard mindset to even attempt to break, mostly for me, having grown up in a house where my father thought he had a constitutional right to refer to any Black player in the NFL by any racial epithet he thought proper. Nevertheless, how would you feel if that next Black girl you met feels funny about you, you know, a white guy, his manhood can't be that large, you know, like, what good is that?

 

[red indian]

Oh lordy!!!.............

.....well it certainly was not the size of my manhood that attracted her to me, thats for sure!!!but according to her yes it is true that black guys have bigger dicks, but there is apparently something they want from white guys that they dont get elsewhere, but i cant go in to that on a familly web site like this!!

 

[Knox The Hatter]

You mean...
This is a family site???

 

[ShiningIce]

first; who do you think sold the slaves to the white slavers? it was other africans! black, and arab! slavery has roots in all race, and ethnic heritages! to constantly single out the slave trade of black slaves being brought to america is imbicilic. b.t.w. owning slaves has been illegal in america since 1863, that's 140 years. but the importation of slaves was stopped long before that!first; who do you think sold the slaves to the white slavers? it was other africans! black, and arab! slavery has roots in all race, and ethnic heritages! to constantly single out the slave trade of black slaves being brought to america is imbicilic. b.t.w. owning slaves has been illegal in america since 1863, that's 140 years. but the importation of slaves was stopped long before that!

you know there is reverse descrimination buy looking at the jokes; has anyone ever been fired, and even admonished for telling an irish joke? or a polack joke?

it's hard to take a people seriously, and with respect, when their out of wedlock birth rate is over 70%.

as to black women in videos. i'd like to point to something luck andre said of black women; their feet are usually ugly. another point, i have tried to tickle 8 different black women over the years, not one of them was ticklish! zip, nada! maybe ,if they were more ticklish as a group they'd be in more videos!

*editied for golden rule violation*

Debate the points not the people. Personal attacks will not be tolerated.