Debunking Michael Jackson haters

[The Fallen Angel]

Carsomyr, that's the reality of the situation. Michael Jackson was a tragic person whose life was something none of us can imagine living.

Trez, was that really necessary? Funny, but was it really necessary?

no but it brings a laugh to topic that people are taking way to serious

 

[Skipadeedoodah]

Also, if i'm not mistaken, "blanket" was originally that kids name. They later changed it because.......well......it was "blanket".

I don't know why, but this quote had me laughing my ass off. 😛

 

[Red faction]

as i said before i don't care
i just like adding fuel to the fire

cool up to page 16 now from page 8
and the fire getting bigger and bigger

oh and good luck to the mods, who have to read all this to make sure there no GR rule violations
good luck again !

 

[Dussicar]

If I didn't have such a widescreen moniter, this would TOTALLY be my new wallpaper!

 

[john getty]

If I didn't have such a widescreen moniter, this would TOTALLY be my new wallpaper!

Ha! I tried that. So that's why it breaks up into squares. I'm still learning.

 

[drewskee]

I just shit a gerbil.

 

[vladtickleman22]

In a perfect world, yes. But unfortunately we do not live in one.

In a case where sex had occured there would be evidence of that. So, if he didn't have sex with any of them. There would not be any physical evidence of it. Which means the innocent would be proven innocent. Cases where it's ones word against another, yes the innocent can be wrongly proven guilty.

You know, it is pretty bad people want to see this thread locked and want the OP to "move on". Why? I see countless bullshit threads on this forum and they don't get locked....Believe me, there are some real stupid threads that I see on this forum, yet, they have a right to continue. So should this topic if need be.

I agree, let this discussion continue.

I find it absolutely hilarious that people think Michael is a pedophile. Why? Because he slept in the bed with some kids? Knowing that Michael acted like a kid himself, him sleeping in the same bed actually makes sense. I think we adults have really fucked up mentalities to AUTOMATICALLY assume sex was going on if an adult and kid sleep in the same bed. Like Michael Jackson said himself, "When people hear two people sleep in the same bed, they assume sex." MJ realized what he was being accused of, yet, society still wants to keep their warped mentality and assume sex automatically happens.

Society thinks that because we are taught as kids to avoid strangers, not to get in cars with them, not to take things from them etc. We are taught from a very young age that we shouldn't allow strangers anywhere near us. That's why a lot of people think what they think about MJ.

There are posters who think the OP should not try to give her opinion on a guy who is no longer with us. There are posters who absolutely have no proof at all Michael was a pedophile, yet flap their gums on how they are right, yet, someone gives a differing opinion, and that person needs to get over it? C'mon folks, this is in the General Discussion forum, which means a discussion can happen. Keep in mind, there are countless threads that do the same thing.

Posters were trying to tell the OP that people have different opinions then she does and she should accept that. Because she is not going to change their minds.

The OP has absolutely no proof at all that Michael wasn't a pedophile, yet she kept flapping her gums on how right she was. Whenever someone had a different opinion then she did, she told them they didn't know anything about MJ and needed to do their research. EVERYBODY needs to realize what they each think is what they think and nothing will ever change that.

Michael did nothing sexual with those children. The only thing people have as their proof he did is "he admitted he slept with children". People sleep in the same beds as pets, does that mean they are having sex with pets? "Oh, that's different..." people will say, but all Michael did was SLEEP with the kids, not have SEX with them.

Having ones pet at the end of the bed sleeping ? IS different then sleeping under the covers with them. People that sleep with their pets under the covers as if it were a husband/wife/boyfriend/girlfriend ARE weird. Just like an adult male surrounding himself with childrens toys calling the place he lives neverland and sleeping under the covers with children IS weird.

People without mental issues would never think to sleep in the same bed as a child unless it was their child. No one without mental issues would sleep cuddled up to a friends child/children.

As for the payoff, like Iggy said, innocent people do settle out of court to avoid having to go through a long legal process. Can you imagine having to live under the burden of preparing to get your name dragged through the mud for a long length of time a trial can take? It is one of the most stressful things a person can endure, especially if you are innocent.

And really folks, a payoff doesn't work in Criminal cases. The DA can still bring charges EVEN if you do not want to press charges against a person. Why do people overlook that? The DA had no proof Michael molested kids....

Can you imagine going through your entire life having paid off someone to drop the charges against you? If you're innocent then one would think you would WANT a trial to prove that. Because again there would be undeniable physical evidence to support the claim someone sexually molested you. So you'd get your name dragged through the mud for a few months or hell even a year. That's better then paying someone off and having it tarnished FOREVER.

Yes, the DA can still bring charges against even if you don't want to press charges. But he or she just looks like an ass and looks as if the only reason they are bringing up the charges is because they want to make a name for themselves.

Much like what is/was going on with the Polansky thing. The woman who was raped at 13 does not want anything to do with that anymore. Yet there's a whole big todo about it. Making the prosecution look like they are just trying to make a name for themselves, thereby making them look like assholes.

 

[Eyeshine]

I think some people put WAY to much trust in others, especially when it comes to an issue like this! But again, hes a pedophile, and at the end of the day, no at this forum is going to convince anyone else to change there opinion, be it making them believe that he is or is not a pedophile.


Oh, and

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[anime_kitty_gal]

I think some people put WAY to much trust in others, especially when it comes to an issue like this! But again, hes a pedophile, and at the end of the day, no at this forum is going to convince anyone else to change there opinion, be it making them believe that he is or is not a pedophile.

No he's not.

 

[goddess_nemesis]

Like I said in my original reply to this thread: Even if there was no sex involved it is pretty fucked up to sleep in the same bed as somebody elses children. Children who, I might add, you don't even know very well!

Why do people assume these were just random children he invited to his house for a slumber party? You think he called up random parents asking them to bring their kids over so he could sleep in the same bed as them. I highly doubt it. I think he knew those kids and their parents well enough for the parents to allow Jackson to have a slumber party with their kids.

In a case where sex had occured there would be evidence of that. So, if he didn't have sex with any of them. There would not be any physical evidence of it. Which means the innocent would be proven innocent. Cases where it's ones word against another, yes the innocent can be wrongly proven guilty.

And sometimes court cases happen with no physical evidence and the defendant is found guilty based on the testimony.

Jackson was already considered a weirdo by the public. Many people assumed the worse and no matter where they tried him, every single person on the jury would already have a bias for or against Jackson. Would you really risk going to prison for something you didn't do?

 

[vladtickleman22]

Why do people assume these were just random children he invited to his house for a slumber party? You think he called up random parents asking them to bring their kids over so he could sleep in the same bed as them. I highly doubt it. I think he knew those kids and their parents well enough for the parents to allow Jackson to have a slumber party with their kids.



And sometimes court cases happen with no physical evidence and the defendant is found guilty based on the testimony.

Jackson was already considered a weirdo by the public. Many people assumed the worse and no matter where they tried him, every single person on the jury would already have a bias for or against Jackson. Would you really risk going to prison for something you didn't do?

I doubt they were random children. But it doesn't change the fact MJ was neither their mom nor dad and they were not ill. So he had no business being in a bed with them.

You're absolutely right sometimes people do end up found guilty with no physical evidence. But those are regular people who can't afford to pay $20,000 a day for a great lawyer. Those are regular people who are not MJ.

The jury members would have had to be approved by both the prosecution and the defense. In being approved they would be asked a variety of different questions. At any point in those questions either side could choose to disapprove of any possible jury member for any number of reasons.

 

[Eyeshine]

No he's not.

You just remember, if a wacko man ever wants you to let your children (or you, if your an underage, which im starting to suspect you are) sleep in his bed with him, please for there (or your) sake, don't. It will only end bad.

 

[goddess_nemesis]

I doubt they were random children. But it doesn't change the fact MJ was neither their mom nor dad and they were not ill. So he had no business being in a bed with them.

To us, the idea of a grown man sleeping in the same bed as children is wrong. But I don't think Jackson saw it as that because why the hell would he admit it if he knew that people would look at him as if he were a child molester.

You're absolutely right sometimes people do end up found guilty with no physical evidence. But those are regular people who can't afford to pay $20,000 a day for a great lawyer. Those are regular people who are not MJ.

The jury members would have had to be approved by both the prosecution and the defense. In being approved they would be asked a variety of different questions. At any point in those questions either side could choose to disapprove of any possible jury member for any number of reasons.

Yes I know. Jury members would be asked all sorts of questions to separate the wheat from the chaff but they would not have been able to find one single person who didn't know who Michael Jackson was or seen/heard/read what he was accused of. So you still have a risk of biased people being selected for the jury.

Who knows what Jackson had been advised to do? Maybe his lawyers thought in the first case thought it was the best way to handle it.

 

[anime_kitty_gal]

I think some people forgot this fact.

The payoff wasen't Michael's idea.

 

[vladtickleman22]

To us, the idea of a grown man sleeping in the same bed as children is wrong. But I don't think Jackson saw it as that because why the hell would he admit it if he knew that people would look at him as if he were a child molester.

You bring up a very good point. Considering the talk about how he needed IV drugs to just fall asleep. I'm not sure if he knew much of anything that was going on.

Yes I know. Jury members would be asked all sorts of questions to separate the wheat from the chaff but they would not have been able to find one single person who didn't know who Michael Jackson was or seen/heard/read what he was accused of. So you still have a risk of biased people being selected for the jury.

Who knows what Jackson had been advised to do? Maybe his lawyers thought in the first case thought it was the best way to handle it.

There would be no way to completely weed out every person who was biased. But they could have weeded out those who either thought because he was MJ and could therefore never do anything wrong. As well as those who would only look at the fact he was in the same bed with children and therefore could not be anything but guilty.

People who thought at those extremes could be weeded out.

 

[ticklingfeet4fu]

Didn't say it was the best of the best. But hey, at least I actually made an attempt to prove that he was innocent. What evidence do the haters have to prove he was guilty? and yes, I am VERY well aware MJ himself admitted that he let children sleep in the same bed as him. Dosen't mean anything bad happened. Infact, the fucked up ones here are the ones who actually thought something sexual went on.

Besides, if MJ did molest kids, how come only 2 came forward? (Both were proven to be lying) and why haven't any of the other kids he supposedly molested came up and said anything now that he's dead?

I actually don't hate Michael Jackson. Great artist. Great singer.

But here is my questions to you...what are you going to accomplish with this? If we all say he is innocent are you taking this to the District Attorney?

Everyone is entitled to his or her opinion. You have yours. I obviously have mine.

As far as him actually sleeping with little kids that in of itself is wrong. Don't you think? To say ;that doesn't mean anything bad happened' is like saying I sleep in the same bed as my fiance and we only shake hands before we go to sleep.

If people think that he is guilty...you are not changing their mind.

If people think he is innocent... they aren't changing their minds.

Do I think he did something inappropriate? I wasn't there. But if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck...I will call the damn thing a duck.

But I will agree with one thing that has been said, an innocent man NEVER pays to make something go away. If you are innocent, you fight for that.

Also, being a parent myself, if someone did something like that to my child, I would go out of my mind.

 

[anime_kitty_gal]

But here is my questions to you...what are you going to accomplish with this? If we all say he is innocent are you taking this to the District Attorney?

I won't accomplish anything. I just want people to stop falsely accusing that poor man of a crime he never commited.

As far as him actually sleeping with little kids that in of itself is wrong. Don't you think? To say ;that doesn't mean anything bad happened' is like saying I sleep in the same bed as my fiance and we only shake hands before we go to sleep.

How is it wrong if he never did anything? I've shared my bed with my younger cousins and I'm 20 years old. Does that make me a pedophile? Besides, Michael admitted in another interview that he slept ABOVE the covers while the children slept IN the covers.

If people think that he is guilty...you are not changing their mind.

But these are people who use the same arguement over and over again. They don't even attempt to look at the evidence that suggests otherwise. and there is more evidence to suggest Michael NEVER molested any children.

But I will agree with one thing that has been said, an innocent man NEVER pays to make something go away. If you are innocent, you fight for that.

Michael had enough money worries to stress about, he didn't need that bullshit to stress him out even more! Besides, it wasen't even Michael who suggested or gave the payout. If I recall correctly, it was his lawyer that actually paid out. Not Michael! To end the whole thing, they gave the accusers what they wanted in the first place. Money. Thats what it was all about.

Also, being a parent myself, if someone did something like that to my child, I would go out of my mind.

EXACTLY! If your child was molested you would NOT accept money from the molester to stay quiet. But the Chandler's accepted the money. DOES THAT NOT RING ANY ALARM BELLS?? Either that bitch dosen't give a flying fuck about her own child, or the money was all she wanted. I'm gonna go with option two.

You keep saying 'Why didn't he fight?'. He did in the 2nd accusations. But even after proving his innocence, people STILL branded him a child molester! He fought to prove himself! along the way he suffered for it! But he still did it! He proved his innocence and people were STILL not satisfied! What more did you want from the guy?!

 

[Eyeshine]

I won't accomplish anything. I just want people to stop falsely accusing that poor man of a crime he never commited.

Will that make you feel better, if members of an online fetish community say that MJ was not a pedophile?

Sorry, even if it would, we wont.

oh, and its committed*

With every post you keep making me think your a minor, and not one even close to 18.

In conclusion...

You can commence crying yourself to sleep now.

 

[locker669]

Read the first post again, but imagine it's Dwight Shrute.

 

[ticklingfeet4fu]

I won't accomplish anything. I just want people to stop falsely accusing that poor man of a crime he never commited.



How is it wrong if he never did anything? I've shared my bed with my younger cousins and I'm 20 years old. Does that make me a pedophile? Besides, Michael admitted in another interview that he slept ABOVE the covers while the children slept IN the covers.



But these are people who use the same arguement over and over again. They don't even attempt to look at the evidence that suggests otherwise. and there is more evidence to suggest Michael NEVER molested any children.



Michael had enough money worries to stress about, he didn't need that bullshit to stress him out even more! Besides, it wasen't even Michael who suggested or gave the payout. If I recall correctly, it was his lawyer that actually paid out. Not Michael! To end the whole thing, they gave the accusers what they wanted in the first place. Money. Thats what it was all about.



EXACTLY! If your child was molested you would NOT accept money from the molester to stay quiet. But the Chandler's accepted the money. DOES THAT NOT RING ANY ALARM BELLS?? Either that bitch dosen't give a flying fuck about her own child, or the money was all she wanted. I'm gonna go with option two.

You keep saying 'Why didn't he fight?'. He did in the 2nd accusations. But even after proving his innocence, people STILL branded him a child molester! He fought to prove himself! along the way he suffered for it! But he still did it! He proved his innocence and people were STILL not satisfied! What more did you want from the guy?!

You know Michael Jackson has been dead since June 25th. Why bring this up on November 3rd? To my knowledge nobody out here accused him of anything and also nobody was talking about him.

Does it send off alarms? What sends of alarms is that someone other than a parent would be in the same bed as a child. Now being a parent, if my son had a nightmare would be the only reason myself or his mother would be in the same room with him. Once back to sleep adult should leave the room.

You have slept in the same room with your younger cousins. You asked if that makes you a pedophile? I don't know. Do you need to confess to anything?

 

[Soda Bobinski]

Now being a parent, if my son had a nightmare would be the only reason myself or his mother would be in the same room with him.

Orrrrr ... maybe a night terror , perhaps? 😈

 

[Eyeshine]

Michael Jackson lives on through Herbert the Pervert.

 

[primetime]

Man, Michael Jackson detractors just don't get it. Why is it the people who believe MJ is a pedophile think their opinions are the right one? You have an obvious MJ fan defending all the hatred towards MJ, which is what people who like the man should do, but yet, people tell her to stop. Isn't her opinion just as valuable as yours? MJ defenders have as much evidence that MJ is NOT a pedophile as those who think he is have.

I am still waiting for this question to be answered. How come people automatically assume sex occurs when people sleep in the same bed? Because of this warped mentality, people believe MJ is a pedophile. Can you please tell me what is wrong with an adult sleeping in the same bed as a child if NO sexual activity, mental or physical, occurs? The ONLY reason why people would condemn an adult sleeping in the same bed as a child is due to the warped mentality of sex MUST occur when people sleep in the same bed. Otherwise, the two parties are just.....sleeping.

You can't refute that.....

 

[john getty]

Man, Michael Jackson detractors just don't get it. Why is it the people who believe MJ is a pedophile think their opinions are the right one? You have an obvious MJ fan defending all the hatred towards MJ, which is what people who like the man should do, but yet, people tell her to stop. Isn't her opinion just as valuable as yours? MJ defenders have as much evidence that MJ is NOT a pedophile as those who think he is have.

I am still waiting for this question to be answered. How come people automatically assume sex occurs when people sleep in the same bed? Because of this warped mentality, people believe MJ is a pedophile. Can you please tell me what is wrong with an adult sleeping in the same bed as a child if NO sexual activity, mental or physical, occurs? The ONLY reason why people would condemn an adult sleeping in the same bed as a child is due to the warped mentality of sex MUST occur when people sleep in the same bed. Otherwise, the two parties are just.....sleeping?

You can't refute that.....

As I mentioned before, kids are very impressionable, and whether Jackson did anything inappropriate or not, he gave them the idea it was ok to sleep in bed with an adult who was not related to them. This could have caused all kinds of problems if the kids also had Gary Glitter as a family friend.

 

[The Fallen Angel]

I am still waiting for this question to be answered. How come people automatically assume sex occurs when people sleep in the same bed? Because of this warped mentality, people believe MJ is a pedophile. Can you please tell me what is wrong with an adult sleeping in the same bed as a child if NO sexual activity, mental or physical, occurs? The ONLY reason why people would condemn an adult sleeping in the same bed as a child is due to the warped mentality of sex MUST occur when people sleep in the same bed. Otherwise, the two parties are just.....sleeping.

You can't refute that.....

because there is no reason he would want to sleep in a bed with someone else's kids, and they did find numerous blow up dolls dressed up in boyscout uniforms and such which doesnt help his case.. and he called where he lived neverland, sounds like a pedophile's workshop to me. If it wasnt a famous person you knew and you were told this you would think the same but your love for mj wont let you think he could have done this