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Disney Trying to Block Release of Michael Moore's New Movie

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NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - Oscar-winning filmmaker Michael Moore's documentary linking President Bush with powerful Saudi families, including that of Osama bin Laden, is sparking the latest fight within the Walt Disney corporation.

The film, set to debut at the Cannes film festival later this month, has yet to be released. The New York Times and Hollywood trade paper Daily Variety said in its Wednesday editions that Walt Disney Co. (DIS: Research, Estimates) has moved to prevent its Miramax Films unit from distributing "Fahrenheit 9/11."

The Disney edict could herald the bloodiest political battle yet between Miramax's feisty co-chairman, Harvey Weinstein, and Disney CEO Michael Eisner, who oversaw the purchase of Miramax a decade ago, Daily Variety said.

"Fahrenheit 9/11," is Moore's follow-up to his Academy Award-winning "Bowling for Columbine." Rumors had been circulating of a July release in North America, but the film does not appear on Miramax's summer schedule, the Variety said.

The Times quoted a Miramax spokesman as saying that the company was "discussing the issue with Disney. We're looking at all of our options and look forward to resolving this amicably."

But the paper said Disney isn't willing to budge on the issue.

"We advised both (Moore's) agent and Miramax in May of 2003 that the film would not be distributed by Miramax," said Zenia Mucha, a company spokeswoman.

Officials from Miramax and Disney were not immediately available for comment Wednesday morning.

Independent stock analyst Dennis McAlpine said that there has always been a tension between Miramax and Disney since the media conglomerate bought the independent studio in 1993.

"They've done their own thing for the most part. Disney has been content to leave them alone and give them money and pull in all the Academy Awards," said McAlpine.

He said that despite the shareholder criticism of Eisner, he doesn't think that this battle will necessarily cause the embattled executive more problems.

"If there is a fallout, it's that some of the creative types say, 'I'm not going to take my next pic to Disney,'" said McAlpine. "But Hollywood is a wonderful place for saying one thing and doing the opposite the next time."

McAlpine said that he could see Miramax releasing the film under a separate label, as it has done with some controversial films in the past. The controversy and attention the battle is getting will help draw viewers to the film, he said.

Moore's agent, Ari Emanuel, told the New York Times that Eisner asked him last spring to pull out of the deal with Miramax. Emanuel said Eisner expressed particular concern that it would endanger tax breaks Disney receives for its theme park, hotels and other ventures in Florida, where President Bush's brother, Jeb Bush, is governor.

The Times reported that Disney executives denied that allegation. One executive told the paper it did not want to be seen taking sides in the election and risk alienating customers of different political views.

"It's not in the interest of any major corporation to be dragged into a highly charged partisan political battle," said the executive, who was not identified by the paper.

But Moore said he believed the protection of tax cuts was the reason for the media conglomerate's position.

"I would have hoped by now that I would be able to put my work out to the public without having to experience the profound censorship obstacles I often seem to encounter," Moore said in a statement Wednesday, referring to his agent's charge against Eisner. "The whole story behind this (and other attempts) to kill our movie will be told in more detail as the days and weeks go on. All I can say is, thank God for Harvey Weinstein and Miramax, who have stood by me during the entire production of this movie."

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Personally, I find this to be unquestionable censorship. I am a huge fan of Michael Moore's, and even if his new movie was an anti-Kerry film, I would be just as flabbergasted by this. Preventing someone from excersizing their freedom of speech because you're a multi-billion dollar company and you're afraid of losing a few 'tax breaks'? Give me a freaking break! Disney has dug it's own grave with this one (or at least Eisner has done it for them). No one would probably have made much of a connection between the film and Disney had Eisner not put his but foot in the door, but now that he has, the movie is going to get that much more publicity. The connections have already been made for the public by Eisner himself. I hope this comes back to kick Disney in the ass. Greed is a very ugly thing.

Mimi
 
I agree. But first off, this isn't censorship. The United States government blocking the release of the film would be censorship. A private corporation refusing to buy it isn't censorship, it's simply exercising free choice.

Everyone has a right to free speech, but no one has a right to be heard. Dr. Laura used to be on the radio where I'm at, and, thank God, her program was replaced by Sean Hannity. Like or dislike Hannity, his rants are far better than Dr. Laura's cruelty and bullying. (I've actually listened to her show, so this isn't a case of someone criticizing her even though they never listened to her.)

When a provtae company refusing to support free speech, all you can do is complain to them in letters, or boycott them.

A lot of films are made every year, and most are never picked up by distributors. That's not censorship, that's capitalism.

Moore can always start his own distribution company, or sell them through the web.

I don't agree when someone tried to stifle any idea or opinion, I believe it should be debated and defeated in the public arena. Whenever government tries to censor an idea, that means they are scared of it, and everyone should rightly assume the censored idea is better or superior to the government sponsored one.
 
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I'm not gonna comment on Sean Hannity, but anyway, I agree that this is censorship, but it is the kind of the censorship that is allowed because it is done by a private corporation. It doesn't surprise me that Disney is hooked up with Jeb. I've never trusted Disney anyway, and Eisner has made more than a few questionable decisions during his reign over the company.

The good news is... if Moore gets ousted by Disney, I'm sure he can find a distribution company willing to release his new movie. As corporate as the entertainment world is, there are still companies willing to cash in on Moore's popularity. Like it or not, Moore's controversial movies always make a decent amount of money, and with recognition from the Academy Awards, he's sure to find a distributor somewhere.... I can't wait till it hits the theaters....
 
mabus said:
I've actually listened to her shoe

lol...I just thought this was a funny bit Fruedian for a tickling website...but I digress:

Moore will get the movie distributed. Its just a shame that Miramx is becoming MickeyMx and suddenly worrying about public reaction to a film. I mean I thought independent studios liked being on the cutting edge of stuff?

~ toyou
 
Disney does not have, and ought not to have, the power to block anybody's film. They do have, and ought to have, the authority to decide which films they (and their owned subsidiaries) release and distribute themselves.

It is perfectly legitmate for them to tell Moore to take his film elsewhere. It is perfectly legitimate for consumers to boycott Moore's films if they disagree with him, or to boycott all Disney products if they disagree with them. I believe in freedom of the marketplace.
 
Sorry, I have to change that, toyou444. Dr. Laura isn't someone anyone would want to tickle.

And MrMacphisto, Hannity is someone who is really good at lifting up the individual, he gives occasional speeches that are very intelligent and uplifting. The other 70% of the time, he's a horrible, purely emotional debater (the worst kind there is) and gives me a headache.
 
Mimi said:
Eisner expressed particular concern that it would endanger tax breaks Disney receives for its theme park, hotels and other ventures in Florida, where President Bush's brother, Jeb Bush, is governor.

Moore said he believed the protection of tax cuts was the reason for the media conglomerate's position.
What's of grave concern to me is that Governor Jeb Bush is using the threat of eliminating tax breaks as leverage for this censorship.

Yet another example of the despicable tactics the Bush administration uses to make sure their activities go unchecked.

Button :sowrong:
 
:shock:

............In the latest developments...Turns out Disney informed Mike a year ago that they wouldn't distibute the film but Miramax
picked it up anyway. Seems ole Mike is playin the publicity game to get alot of attention for his film at Cannes....Hes a smart guy, but
alot of people are now claiming that he invents most of his facts..
Personally, whether he "makes shit up" or not, I like his work..
And I'd like to tickle Dr. Laura untill she passes out..
 
Isnt Disney the ones who put sexual things in their movies the ones that children watch??
 
babinsky said:
:shock:

............In the latest developments...Turns out Disney informed Mike a year ago that they wouldn't distibute the film but Miramax
picked it up anyway. Seems ole Mike is playin the publicity game to get alot of attention for his film at Cannes....Hes a smart guy, but
alot of people are now claiming that he invents most of his facts..
Personally, whether he "makes shit up" or not, I like his work..
And I'd like to tickle Dr. Laura untill she passes out..


😀 on both counts... Michael was someone whose work I enjoyed until he turned to the "any publicity no matter how bad will make me money" mentality. I avoid everything he does now as it has little meaning.

...and a little tickling might be just what the good DR. Laura needs....😉
 
Right, Smurfie. I remember when "Hunchback" came out...'Seinfeld's Jason Alexander, who did a voice over in the film, refused to take his five year old daughter to see it because of the violence...
Disney's been full of shit for years.
 
Uh Neither Jeb Bush,,

Nor Disney stated anything about tax cuts. As for the freedom of speech issue I suggest READING the constitution.
It only prevents the government from arresting you for a belief or a non voilent protest. It has nothing to do with a private commercial venture.
Don't confuse Freedom of speech with Michael moores personal greed.

Tron
 
You're right, Neutron... I forgot that a man who makes politically controversial documentaries is far greedier than a company that uses its financial leverage to extend copyright laws or a governor that throws an election for his brother. How could I have missed this? Please enlighten us with your repetitive discussions of the literal wording of the 1st Amendment.
 
Well,

I'm not a fan of Mr. Moore even though he's obviously an intelligent man. I'm sure he has some very valid points in his works, but I find that he's like most extremists. It's all his opinion and not an inch of credibility is given to the "bad side." I can stomach all sorts of things, but that kind of path sours me. I find it very difficult to engage a empathic ear to his causes because of it. Hell, I'm not the most understanding person in the world, but I at least attempt to admit when someone else's view makes some sense!

This is a large company doing what it feels is in its best interest. That's how people make money in the world. Self preservation. It may not be morally right to some, but to others, neither is the movie Moore is pushing. I'm sure he would have no problem going elsewhere. It's in HIS best interest afterall.

This bru-ha-ha is just free advertising for him...and anyone who doesn't notice that isn't paying attention to the whole.

Anyway, he's out for a buck. Just like everyone else. Let him hustle a bit harder for it.

Jo
 
MrMacphisto said:
You're right, Neutron... I forgot that a man who makes politically controversial documentaries is far greedier than a company that uses its financial leverage to extend copyright laws or a governor that throws an election for his brother. How could I have missed this? Please enlighten us with your repetitive discussions of the literal wording of the 1st Amendment.

Not to mention that this is in no way a documentary. He himself calls it a comedy. The problem here is that most won't view it as such and will take what they see as the gospel truth when it is most likely another of his one sided pieces of drivel. He has known about Disney's decision even BEFORE Mirimax gave the ok. He is doing this only for the negative publicity in order to make the film more "contraversial" so that people will actually waste their money to see it. Keeps his bank account full. 😉

Ray
 
Moore is obviously a very dogmatic guy, but considering how many conservative extremists there are out there, it's good to have a few Moores and Frankens to outweigh the Hannity's, O'Reilly's, Nugent's, Heston's, Robertson's, Murdoch's, and Limbaugh's. Someone who goes to see Moore's movies isn't wasting anymore money or time than the people that buy the conservative books, read National Review, watch Fox News, or log on to Newsmax.
 
MrMacphisto said:
Moore is obviously a very dogmatic guy, but considering how many conservative extremists there are out there, it's good to have a few Moores and Frankens to outweigh the Hannity's, O'Reilly's, Nugent's, Heston's, Robertson's, Murdoch's, and Limbaugh's. Someone who goes to see Moore's movies isn't wasting anymore money or time than the people that buy the conservative books, read National Review, watch Fox News, or log on to Newsmax.

LOL I think we are 4 or 5 on the agreement list, Mac... Anyone who actually pays attention to ANY of those you mentioned needs a reality check.....😉

Ray
 
😀 Not that I care as there's now a distributor for this film in the good ol' UK so we can make our own minds up in a few months but a few thoughts spring to mind:
  • If Mr Moore is only doing this for the publicity, why are Miramax fighting his corner? Yes, they've got money invested but they could recover that by having others distribute the film. In fact it seems like Miramax (and Harvey Weinstein in particular) are not happy about rodent involvment in this as they don't feel it falls into the category of films "against Disney Interests".
  • For that matter, why are Disney getting so bent out of shape over this? I, and I'm sure many others, had no IDEA Miramax was owned by Disney before all this broke, and I can't honestly believe it would have been an issue to the public at large. So why refuse to distribute it in the first place? To mangle a phrase - Something is rotten in the state of Florida. Ummm, more than usual I mean 😀
  • Yes, Mr Moore is an extremist, but at the same time he raises some valid issues, albeit with one-sided arguments. Even if only a handful of people that see his films are interested in the subject matter enough to go research it for themselves after seeing the flick it's worth having the material out in the public domain.
  • One thing that struck me with Bowling For Columbine, there was a LOT of common sense in that film from sources that wouldn't normally be heard from. Matt Stone for example, who I thought summed up high school life very well indeed, and perhaps most obviously, Marilyn Manson who, it has to be said, raised some excellent points (and was a lot calmer and more focused than many I've heard discussing these issues). And before anyone says "it was all staged", I honestly consider that beside the point. Anytime the words "I wouldn't have said anything. I'd have listened to what they had to say and that's the one thing no-one did." are heard it must surely be considered a good thing.
 
I agree... Manson has basically run out of creative steam at this point, but his interview in Bowling for Columbine was actually insightful. When he's not on stage, he seems remarkably level-headed. Manson was also on Politically Incorrect at one point, and his contributions to the episode were mostly more coherent than the other guests.
 
Disney may have another reason to reject a film that might offend the Saudi royal family:

A powerful member of the family, Al-Walid bin Talal, owns a major stake in Eurodisney and has been instrumental in the past in bailing out the financially troubled amusement park (AFP, 6/1/94).

The project is facing a new cash crunch, and Al-Walid has been mentioned as a potential rescuer again (L.A. Times, 1/26/04).
 
buggs said:

Mr Moore has been caught many times putting in blatant untruths in his film and passing them off as truth. He goes around saying that he is giving everyone the truth, but when cornered on the many things he has twisted or has made up, or lied about, all of a sudden he is not here to give the truth, only to give anecdotal humors scenarios. He is the biggest P.O.S. in my book,

So "if you open an account at this bank they'll give you a gun there and then" is worse lie than:

"Iraq has weapons of mass destruction capapble of being launched in 45 minutes".

or

"The boys went bowling on the morning of the murders" is a bigger deception than

"Iraq has links to al-qaeda" (and by extension to September 11th) - a lie that is STILL widly believed in the US even though it has no basis in reality.

Want some more? Okay try these for size:

"My job as the President is to submit a budget to the Congress and to set priorities, and one of the priorities that we've talked about is making sure the health care systems are funded.” - Bush’s first budget proposed cutting grants to children’s hospitals like the one he visited by 15% ($34 million). His 2004 budget additionally proposes to cut 30% ($86 million) out of grants to children’s hospitals.

"I said when I was running for President, I supported ethanol, and I meant it. (Applause.) I support it now, because not only do I know it's important for the ag sector of our economy, it's an important part of making sure we become less reliant on foreign sources of energy." – According to the AP, Bush’s 2004 budget proposes to eliminate funding for the bioenergy program that funds the Dakota Ethanol Plant he visited. [4/22/02]

"Our workers are the most productive, the hardest working, the best craftsmen in the world. And I'm here to thank all those who work hard to make a living here in America." – Bush’s 2003 Budget proposed a 9% ($476 million) cut to job training programs and a 2% ($8 million) cut to the Occupational Safety and Health Administration. Similarly, his 2004 budget proposes a $60 million cut to adult job training programs and a total elimination of the Youth Opportunities Grants, which provide job training to younger workers.

“One of the ways we've got to make sure that we keep our economy strong is to be wise about how we spend our money. If you overspend, it creates a fundamental weakness in the foundation of economic growth. And so I'm working with Congress to make sure they hear the message -- the message of fiscal responsibility.” - Less than 6 months after this pronouncement, Bush proposed a budget that would put the government more than $300 billion into deficit. As National Journal noted on 2/12/02, Bush’s own 2004 budget tables show that without Bush’s tax and budgetary proposals, the deficit would decline after 2006, but with Bush’s proposals the deficit would grow indefinitely.

Note I'm not defending Moore's actions on Bowling for Columbine, there was enough truth surrounding those events to more than fill the documentary and there was simply no need to resort to cheap tricks to make the point. That said however I really don't see how you can call him "the biggest POS" and have the opinion that "He is a card carrying liar, and should not be allowed a forum at all" when things like, well, like those listed above happen on a regular basis at the highest level of government . And no, that's not limied (sadly) to the US, certainly our current Prime Minister and his party are just as guilty over here in the UK.

I doubt that anyone would argue that Bowling for Columbine is without flaws, or is factually acurate in every detail but as I said earlier, in some ways this really doesn't matter provided it gets people thinking about some of the issues raised. Anyone who relies on a single source of information to form their opinions is just asking to be misled.
 
buggs said:
And Mike was costing Disney too much money in lawsuits anyway. This was going to happen no matter what.

Umm, could you do me a favour and link to those lawsuits? I've had a quick look around and I can find one case brought by James Nichols, the brother of Oklahoma City bombing conspirator Terry Nichols, who says he was tricked into appearing in the film, according to a federal lawsuit filed against Michael Moore. Nichols also alleges in the lawsuit that Moore libelled him by linking him to the terrorist act. But that's about it

I'm curious actualy, while I don't know how much is being asked for in compensation in this case, or any others, how would it have cost Disney money? I've just had a quick look at the DVD packaging for Bowling for Columbine and can't spot a Disney or Miramax logo on it, so how would any lawsuits relating to anything other than his latest film cost Disney money? :idunno:
 
But according to the IMDB Miramax didn't distribute Bowling For Columbine, United Artists and MGM did (in the US anyway). Miramax is only involved in the latest film which hasn't been released yet so I don't think there's any cases against them (unless the American justice system's working REALLY quick these days).

And I've had a look on the CNN site and can't find any reference to any lawsuits I'm afraid, but I'll keep looking.
 
Yes, I've got that bit. If Miramax make it, they're liable. Understood. But it's only the NEW film that's made by Miramax. They didn't have anything to do with Bowling for Columbine. This should give the full list of companies involved in production and distribution though you may have to scroll:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0310793/combined

And I find it a little hard to believe that even in the States anyone's sued over a film that hasn't actually been released yet?
 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/3739325.stm

Anti-Bush film tops Cannes awards
Director Michael Moore's controversial anti-Bush documentary Fahrenheit 9/11 has won the prestigious Palme d'Or best film award at the Cannes festival.

It was the first documentary to win the top prize since Jacques Cousteau's The Silent World in 1956.

The film received a 15-minute standing ovation when it was screened on Monday.

Fahrenheit 9/11 explores the Iraq war and alleges connections between President George W Bush and top Saudi families, including the Bin Ladens.

The documentary uses Moore's customary satirical style to accuse Mr Bush of stealing the presidential election in 2000, ignoring terrorism warnings before 11 September 2001 and fuelling fears of more attacks to secure Americans' support for the war in Iraq.

'Overwhelmed'

"What have you done? I'm completely overwhelmed by this," Moore said in his acceptance speech.

"I want to make sure if I do nothing else for the rest of this year that those who died in Iraq have not died in vain."

Thanking the jury headed by cult director Quentin Tarantino, he added: "You will ensure that the American people will see this movie...You have put a huge light on this."

Positive

Michael Moore's film was originally set to be released in the US through Disney subsidiary Miramax, before Disney blocked it. It is now expected to be released through a third party.

The critical reaction to the film has generally been positive, with praise coming from The Washington Post, Time Magazine and British newspapers including the Independent and the Telegraph.

However, others have been more critical of the film. The Hollywood Reporter said Moore was "pioneering a reality film as an election device."

And trade paper Variety described it as "rather less incendiary than expected" and said it was "a blatant cinematic 2004 campaign pamphlet".

Fahrenheit 9/11 was competing against 18 other films for the Palme d'Or.

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