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Divine Guidance, Beatings to Humble the Heart, and Progression

Borg Perfection

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Christianity, the bible, organized religion -- forget it all for a moment at this point.

Some here may know that I am deeply spiritual, and may understand my beliefs about what is labeled "god", or a higher consciousness, architect -- whatever word you identify with.

I don't know what I believe but I know that I am open. I know that I believe in the possibility of things, and that my arm is extended waiting for something to reach back, however I take nothing as fact.

But this is not about whether or not the existence of "god" is valid.

It's about my exploration of myself as of late, as a human being, and more thorough than ever before. This exploration is an attempt to salvage what is left of my sanity that hasn't been smashed into pieces or eroded away by a lifetime of traumatic happenings.

It's an attempt to truly understand why I as a human entity work the way I do, and perceive life's happenings and contents within such limited bounds that deserve a label of no less than "imprisonment", and an imprisonment no doubt caused by my own human mind's contumacious need to place meaning and priority on various symbols it comes into contact with.

Buddha, and the Tao both teach that the way to conquer pain, is to realize that all around you, and all you perceive is a concept -- even perception itself. All you feel, all you love, all you fear to lose, is caused by your need to place value on objects, people, relations, faces, and circumstances.

It's all meaningless.

It's madness that we orchestrate out of chaos.

Nothing is permanent, and no one belongs to anyone... As much as we'd like to believe.

Those two "facts" at this point in my life, are the greatest sources of agony I've ever experienced despite all that I've gone through already. Those two "facts" are things I have not yet accepted, even after struggling for years now to achieve that understanding.

Now, to my original point: the common theme here is pain. Pain and understanding.

I've noticed throughout my experience with pain, I'd become an embittered individual -- more and more abrasive to myself and all around me with each perceived slight of the universe, with each traumatic event, and with every crushing blow dealt by the circumstances of my experience here, my heart would grow beyond saturated with hate.

I'd become arrogant, violent, unruly, malign, out of control, demanding, unyielding -- kind of like a wild animal.

Now I have been dealt a blow in my life, which is the most crushing of them yet. This one was the back-breaker. It doesn't matter what it is, because that is not what this is about. This is not about feeling sorry, or having pity on one of many; this is about a realization in your own life, or perhaps a marker on your own route of self exploration.

For years prior, I found my own reaction to pain to be anger. To fight, to hate, to lose control and become that violent animal of instinct clawing and biting in a frantic attempt to survive.

In recent "beatings" I find my reaction to be one merely of sadness. A much different companion than anger if you examine them closely enough -- and that's all they are -- companions. They are not you, so long as you do not let them become you, and that is key. They are things you may feel, but they should never be things that you are.

In this sadness, I find that I am gaining knowledge that much like a man breaks a horse to purge it of it's unruly behavior, and forge it into something that can serve an otherwise higher purpose, I wonder if there is a "god" or more to our being than we know now, if it is the similar for us to be broken through all the beatings that come at us through life, to purge us of all the arrogance, and unruly arrogant and even destructive traits until we final submit to the fact that things do not work the way we'd like to think they should in our cocky delusions, and finally realize all of our struggling and pain is unnecessary if we just let go, and go with the flow of the stream of life.
 
It's all meaningless.

Agreed. Absurd actually. :hungry:

-o0o-

Because things are just too complex for me to even bother, I keep my beliefs to a minimum:

1.
Life is a long war one has no choice but to face.
2. Do.
3. Always try hard to be equipped for the big shit.
 
Yes...you are becoming one with the Force 😀

In all seriousness though, it seems as though you are coming closer to finding your own truths, and that is to be applauded. Things become a bit better, or at least understandable when you loosen your grip and go with the flow of life. Good luck Borg! 🙂
 
What a depressing way to think. I advise you to try using Cognitive
Behavioral Therapy. You don't have to do it through a therapist. You
can buy the workbook yourself and just start to work through it and
change the way your thought patterns are wired.

I'm going through the one for anxiety right now (though I also have
my first appointment with a therapist next month), and there is also
a book for depression. The techniques are still the same though.

I will say though, that I wouldn't have the strength to do any of what
I'm doing if I didn't have my faith in Christ.
 
Yes...you are becoming one with the Force 😀

In all seriousness though, it seems as though you are coming closer to finding your own truths, and that is to be applauded. Things become a bit better, or at least understandable when you loosen your grip and go with the flow of life. Good luck Borg! 🙂

Yep. That's what I do, go with the flow. Sometimes it leads you to not so great things but before you know it, there's a light at the end of the tunnel and you may find yourself being led to something happier. Even on my worst days when I didn't know how in the hell I'd be able to handle anything else, I would still wake up the next morning, realizing that yes, I did make it through that awful day. I just realized that there were things I can't change but I'm learning how to deal with them in the best way possible. Losing my mom definitely taught me that. It helped me realize that no matter how much I wished or prayed for something, sometimes things just don't turn out the way I want. I figured I had two choices. I could focus on all of the bad things in my life, suffer from the depression that I was obviously in or just try to realize that everything is going to be ok, somehow. That life has so much good to offer me as well. I literally just made a choice to try to be as happy as I could be. It helped me to think this way but it's not as cut and dry for everyone and certainly not always easy to do.

Doesn't sound like things are too great for you at the moment and I hope that changes soon. Everyone deserves to be happy. If you need someone to chat with, my pm box is always open.

Best of luck and good vibes to you!
 
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I'd like to chat with you more about this Bro....you have struck a few chords within me here...
 
Wow....some heavy sh*t here....I understand what it is like to have the knowledge....yet have these over powering feelings to have to deal with....they just seem to get in the way.... so you may want to go with the flow, but you can't.....

You are obviously a bright guy and introspective....all good.....you make sense in recognizing that when an animal shows it's teeth it is afraid, defensive.....and disappointment is delusional.....just my two cents, but I hope you can find some comfort in your conclusions. I think you are well on your way....maybe talking to Venray will help...he seems to be a sensitive guy.
 
Hello all who have replied so far and thank you for reading and thinking, and offering various other insights.

@ Brighteyes: It may seem as though it is a depressing way of thinking, what Buddha and the Tao teach, but in the end if successful you are free from more chains than you can imagine, and if truly accomplished, so much of the pain is gone.

We are not kept in place by being tied down, but rather by refusing to let go and thus keeping ourselves stranded.

@ Venray: Yes, I would love to chat with you, and thank you so much for reading. I will send you a pm.

@ Angel77

Doesn't sound like things are too great for you at the moment and I hope that changes soon. Everyone deserves to be happy. If you need someone to chat with, my pm box is always open.

Best of luck and good vibes to you!

Perhaps if I am able to accept the truth of this realization, then things are truly greater for me than they ever have been. If I can accept the most painful truths, and conquer the weakest parts of my own humanity, then I will be spared a lot of unnecessary suffering for it.

Myth, Bohemianne and Tickles thank you as well for your reading and thinking as well, and for your thoughts and insights.
 
I can take no comfort from religion or spirtualism in any literal sense since I'm an athiest, so I tend to think of pain in purely instrumental and logical terms, as far as it is possible. From the sounds of it you've been through a whole lot more shit than i have, but for what its worth, i try and think that pain is there for my benefit, it is intended to teach me something or highlight a mistake. Of course this works best for physical rather than emotional trauma, but the same rules apply. For me one of the biggest sources of emotional pain is regret, and whilst i can't change whats caused it, i can learn from it and do things differently next time. And if all else fails then I rely on some advice given to me by my martial arts instructor upon being kicked in the balls: "Its only pain, take some deep breaths and carry the fuck on."
 
I can take no comfort from religion or spirtualism in any literal sense since I'm an athiest, so I tend to think of pain in purely instrumental and logical terms, as far as it is possible. From the sounds of it you've been through a whole lot more shit than i have, but for what its worth, i try and think that pain is there for my benefit, it is intended to teach me something or highlight a mistake. Of course this works best for physical rather than emotional trauma, but the same rules apply. For me one of the biggest sources of emotional pain is regret, and whilst i can't change whats caused it, i can learn from it and do things differently next time. And if all else fails then I rely on some advice given to me by my martial arts instructor upon being kicked in the balls: "Its only pain, take some deep breaths and carry the fuck on."

I definitely can relate to the regret thing, and the physical example your instructor gave hits home -- I love that as well.

As far as spiritualism: To be spiritual, or have spirituality, the way I define it anyway, does not necessarily require any belief in "god" or faith in religion. The energy of existence itself is spiritual, as is exploring the self and the limits of the mind, emotions and body. Spirituality is merely your energy as a living thing.
 
Write, compose music, take pictures, film, paint, sculpt, dance....

Whatever art form you're good at... art is a good outlet for anguish or any other strong emotions....
 
^ Hah! Freaking 10 points !!!!! :headbang:

I'll add another 10 points! 😛

Music is a great way to express whatever emotion you may be feeling. Or like Mac said, any form of art. Maybe worth giving it a try?
 
I don't know what I believe but I know that I am open. I know that I believe in the possibility of things, and that my arm is extended waiting for something to reach back, however I take nothing as fact.

I have never heard such a better way of describing myself. I have never been one to settle down on what my beliefs are. I don't believe in heaven or he'll, but I believe in the afterlife. I don't believe in ghosts, but I believe in spiritual presence. None of it makes sense to me...
 
I'll add another 10 points! 😛

Music is a great way to express whatever emotion you may be feeling. Or like Mac said, any form of art. Maybe worth giving it a try?

Hahaha I am currently a performing artist for a living, or at least part of a living. I wish so bad I could share with everyone what I do 🙂
 
Hahaha I am currently a performing artist for a living, or at least part of a living. I wish so bad I could share with everyone what I do 🙂

That's pretty cool! Totally understandable that you don't share what you do. Privacy is a good thing. 🙂
 
Hahaha I am currently a performing artist for a living, or at least part of a living. I wish so bad I could share with everyone what I do 🙂


"You wish so bad..." means you have the whim to show it...

Why not give it a try?

Perhaps a 15-second riff or song will do. I bet that even if you are the real Steve Vai or Rachmaninov, a short excerpt/passage won't ruin it for you. This century is filled with many talents already and they're out there doing better - evidently at youtube. Any virtuoso performances in the net just melt like butter nowadays. The masters are dead!

Dare or it is just lip service!!! :devil2:
 
"You wish so bad..." means you have the whim to show it...

Why not give it a try?

Perhaps a 15-second riff or song will do. I bet that even if you are the real Steve Vai or Rachmaninov, a short excerpt/passage won't ruin it for you. This century is filled with many talents already and they're out there doing better - evidently at youtube. Any virtuoso performances in the net just melt like butter nowadays. The masters are dead!

Dare or it is just lip service!!! :devil2:

You know -- let me think about it today. I might just take you up on that.
 
It's all a bunch of subjective bullshit... You have to find the subjective bullshit that works for you at the moment... i would not attach permanency to anything... be flexible, try to have fun with the shit you are into... I am a Christian, I am an agnostic, I am an atheist, I am a hedonist, whatever. Whatever works for you!... You can never, ever, really figure it all out. Oh yea, and it doesn't hurt to put the tape on erase once in awhile.
 
It's all a bunch of subjective bullshit... You have to find the subjective bullshit that works for you at the moment... i would not attach permanency to anything... be flexible, try to have fun with the shit you are into... I am a Christian, I am an agnostic, I am an atheist, I am a hedonist, whatever. Whatever works for you!... You can never, ever, really figure it all out.

It's funny how Buddhist that is. What you just said.

It says, "When you build a raft to cross from one land to another, do you walk around carrying the raft? Of course not. You leave it at the shore, and when it's time to cross to yet another foreign place, you build a new raft."

Buddhism teaches to not even hold on to Buddhism any longer than you need to.

Oh yea, and it doesn't hurt to put the tape on erase once in awhile.

That's amazing, and true. True, true, true.

Might have to do just that.
 
I'll add another 10 points! 😛

Music is a great way to express whatever emotion you may be feeling. Or like Mac said, any form of art. Maybe worth giving it a try?

Thanks, Angel and Bohemianne... 😀

Writing is my outlet, personally...
 
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