Do girls in renfaire clips know whats coming?

[primetime]

Babbles,

Seriously. The "victims" in the stocks are probably not traumatized by their "tickling experience". You have seen the clips. Have you seen a clip where the woman is screaming bloody murder to be realeased, or is the woman going along with the fun?

You are assuming the worse when you see these clips. My goodness, as predicted, you saw the worse in my OWN personal scenario. You replied to me saying that unless I know she likes tickling, what I did IS sexual harrassment. According to who? My co-worker/FRIEND (key word) were having our normal playful conversation back and forth. I tickled her foot. I tickled her foot without telling her or knowing if she likes to be tickled or not. You know why I did it without any fear? BECAUSE SHE IS MY FRIEND and we have known each other for well over a decade. I was not concerned she would scream sexual harrassment.

It was a playful interaction between us and guess what? You may want to sit down for this. SHE DIDN'T MIND. She didn't blurt out to me "tickle me please! I love it when it happens!!!". No, she laughed and playfully smacked my hand away. Then..........wait for it................. we actually continued our conversation without any animosity, or someone feeling violated. When we were finished, she hugged me and said she will talk to me later. In other words, she considered my tickling attempt a playful gesture between FRIENDS. I didn't ask for permission. Hell, I didn't even know if she was ticklish. These things happen.

Babbles, you and another certain poster, continue to berate anyone who even remotely does something "non-consensual". You assume the worse about it. It is a whole different story if someone said "I attacked a random stranger, tied her up, stripped her naked, had my tickling way with her, then I'm selling the clips", then YES, I can understand the outrage. But the topic is about do the women know they will be tickled by being placed in the stocks.

I really hate to break this to you, but do you realize "vanilla" people can actually view tickling as a playful interaction, and NOT a sexual interaction. I have tickled my niece, and guess what, it wasn't a sexual interaction. Did I ask my niece if I could tickle her? NOPE. I just pounced on her and tickled her. Was she traumatized and told my sister that "evil uncle" tickled her without her consent? NO. She still loves her uncle and continues to interact with me in a very positive manner. To her, it was "what uncles do".

Learn how to distinguish between what is an "evil non-consensual" interaction vs a "normal non-consensual" interaction. Maybe you and another particular poster won't get so bent out of shape so often when the term "non-consensual" pops up.

 

[primetime]

Hey Master Baiter, it really is sad when certain people feel the need to cast judgement on others as though they are the "Holy right". Sad really...

Oh yeah, don't forget to have a release form ready whenever you want to tickle someone in playful interactions with friends/lovers. After all, we don't want people to consider you evil just because you tickled them without giving them "full disclosure"! The horror!

 

[rhiannon]

The "victims" in the stocks are probably not traumatized by their "tickling experience". You have seen the clips. Have you seen a clip where the woman is screaming bloody murder to be realeased, or is the woman going along with the fun?

Maybe they just don't show that kind of clips.

 

[maniactickler]

If only those unsuspecting women knew i was pleasuring myself them. they would feel so dirty.

 

[primetime]

Rhiannon,

Maybe they don't show the clips, or they don't exist. Care to explain why you think everything involving tickling without full disclosure and a signed affidavit is so evil?

Until you see a clip demonstrating a "victim" screaming for their lives, then stop assuming the tickling going on is "illegal". In fact, have you ever heard of law enforcement ever getting involved in one of these faires where the person was tickled "against their will"? Since you're such the expert of identifying traumatic tickling experiences, why don't you show us some examples of this? Back up your theories for once....

 

[nenezinho]

Getting back on topic

I think all of them realize what´s going to happen before they are actually trapped

It´s like....some of them must have seen others going through the same thing. Some may have never seen it but then you have the audience. There´s lots of people around and kids....they all seem to speak italian. I dont believe no one speaks about tickling There must be talking among the crowd. Hell....even the relatives or loved ones, whomever is with those girls must be around and aware of what´s happening. There must be many hints on what´s really going to happen

And lets not forget there are these feathers around....they are not totally hidden, some see them in advance for sure.

Also, i have not seen all the clips, but whenever i see the girl actually being placed on the stocks, most of the time they are ok with letting their arms arrested but they try to put up some fight with their feet. I have seen this on at least 1 or 2 clips. This clearly shows they have some idea

 

[rhiannon]

Maybe they don't show the clips, or they don't exist. Care to explain why you think everything involving tickling without full disclosure and a signed affidavit is so evil?

I am still not talking about the tickling, I am talking about publishing something, maybe even selling it, without the consent or knowledge of the people shown in the pictures/videos. I do have a problem with it because it is not legal and because I deal with stuff like that frequently due to my modelling-activities.

About the tickling at renfairs in particular, personally I think everybody who sits in stocks in public probably knows they are up for some kind of trouble! I sure wouldn't do it.

 

[Phineas]

Hey Master Baiter, it really is sad when certain people feel the need to cast judgement on others as though they are the "Holy right". Sad really...

Oh yeah, don't forget to have a release form ready whenever you want to tickle someone in playful interactions with friends/lovers. After all, we don't want people to consider you evil just because you tickled them without giving them "full disclosure"! The horror!

'ey Prime, good to see you again. Go to any college campuses posing as a research assistant lately?

You, of all people, have no room to go off on a tirade about being unfairly persecuted vis-a-vis our li'l fetish, here.

I said it before, and I'll say it again - why the hell do we lie to vanillas so much? So much scheming to get our hands on them because tickling gets us off. Why?

I don't think anyone here is looking down on people "not getting a signed affidavit" prior to a harmless poke in the ribs, but that's not what we're talking about, and anyone who paints it as such is trying to change the subject to make themselves feel better about it. We're talking about introducing a tickling act into a public event, with the full intention to film it and sell the videos as fetish porn, and not tell the people running said public event that that's what you're doing (because you know full well they'll kick you out if they find out - which, surprise surprise, is exactly what happened). We're talking about lying about taking "polls" as an excuse to get your hands on coeds. We're talking about all of the deliberate misrepresentation that goes on around here precisely because it skirts the issue of consent. As Babbles so helpfully put it, they can't consent if they don't know what you're up to, and that's highly convenient.

But, hey. What do I know. I do crazy things like indulge in my fetish with women I go on dates with. Imagine that - going on dates when I could be out there with my trusty "Shoe Inspector" badge and hidden camera.

So, the topic is, "Do girls in renfair clips know what's coming?" - and I'll be a wag and venture that no, they don't know that they're going to be tickled, have it filmed, and then see it show up in a porn store six months later. Convenient, then, that they don't know that that's what's happening.

 

[daddy]

Hmmm...I wonder how news programs run those everyday videos that they shoot??? They buy film footage all the time of anything and everything. When sporting events are filmed does that mean that if you are in the crowd stuffing your face with a big ole hot-dog and mustard all over face, and the news crew films you and runs it on the 11:00 slot, that now you can sue them??? hahahahah I don't think so. Some pretty funny laws you guys think up around here. With all this in mind we could make millions sueing "America's Funniest Home Videos!"

Yep...this non-con crap just get's taken sooooooooo far to the edge anymore. Sheez, you can't even have an "imagination" around here any more without someone pointing out how wrong it is.

(shakes head once again)

Oh...and to stay on topic...if they don't know what is coming or aren't at least prepared for something "odd" to happen then I would say they are pretty nieve. I mean let's see...a renfaire with stocks out in the open, people standing around it and getting in and out of it all day, all the feathers and accesories hanging about...hmmmm...I wonder. And the people that usually get in those things (meaning "volunteers!!!!") like the attention of it all as well. Sure it might take some by surprise...but come on...it's a renfaire. As a matter of fact I went to one in here in California a few years back (at Casa De Fruta for those who want to know where) and there was one guy, in character, running around with a feather running it under the chins of all the females...he even got one of the girls I was hanging with...guess what....no big deal, and it took her by surprise! I forgot to ask her if she needs a therapist now!

peace out,
daddy

 

[rhiannon]

When sporting events are filmed does that mean that if you are in the crowd stuffing your face with a big ole hot-dog and mustard all over face, and the news crew films you and runs it on the 11:00 slot, that now you can sue them???

When you are at a sports event, you know you might get filmed. The question is, would you also go and get filmed if you knew a clip of you eating a hot dog might be sold in a clips4sale vore-store?

 

[daddy]

When you are at a sports event, you know you might get filmed. The question is, would you also go and get filmed if you knew a clip of you eating a hot dog might be sold in a clips4sale vore-store?

Would not bother me in the least...honestly

peace out,
daddy

 

[nenezinho]

When you are at a sports event, you know you might get filmed. The question is, would you also go and get filmed if you knew a clip of you eating a hot dog might be sold in a clips4sale vore-store?

I dont want be evil but......the videos available imply that the camera was quite close to the action on those renfaires. Now you tell me those girls had no idea they were going on tape......just try and tell me!!!!! come on Did they think that guy with the camera was just a lost tourist trying to find is way to Rome???????

hummmmmmmm

 

[rhiannon]

Hidden cameras are also pretty close to the action and nobody realizes what's going on until the camera is explicitly shown to them!

 

[nenezinho]

Hidden cameras are also pretty close to the action and nobody realizes what's going on until the camera is explicitly shown to them!

Just for the record, is that a random statement or are you implying you know there was a hidden camera being used?

Because if this is just the realm of your imagination, then you understand your theory looses some weight.

But i will give you another theory to counter yours....if there was this guy constantly there, he would be at least suspicious. The management would have noticed him and if he was soo suspicious as to be using a hidden camera....he would have been thrown away on his 1st week....not only after they found out he was making this a business. Either that or this guy was really a CIA/FBI agent and pro on doing that stuff

Because, once again, the problem here was when they found out the guy was making a business out of it. Problem was not that the videos exist, or else they would have been removed from youtube by now.

Mind you, the renfaire staff knows this stuff happened. They found out about the videos. But still, these videos are out there. They were fine with just stopping this guy´s business.

Do you want to go with me to the next Renfaire at Canelli and we will see if we can film some girl being tickled???? i will bet with you, if i manage to film one girl, then you will be next on the stocks Do you take it???

I promise not to use a hidden camera!!! i am no James Bond

 

[WorkInProgress]

The ones I've seen in those videos don't seem surprised at all. I think they know exactly what's coming.

 

[Babbles]

But simple consideration (again) is too much effort.

Yes, it occurred to me that SOME of them might know or suspect
they'll be tickled --- Some may want it, in fact --- But they might NOT want to be filmed ----

Others may may have NO clue --- SOME MAY NOT SPEAK ITALIAN either....

What blows my mind here is the aggressive campaign to defend UNETHICAL MISUSE OF BODY & PRIVACY ---

and lame, for that matter, my statements were NOT adequately or fully addressed at all ---- MasterBaiter,
Interesting how you picked & chose what you replied to ----
not the most basic statement ----

So, since you pretended you didn't see it earlier SINCE THERE'S NO DEFENSE AGAINST THIS EASY SOLUTION ----

ONE SIMPLE *CLEAR SIGN ----

YOU MAY BE TICKLED
& IT WILL BE FILMED.

Just like that, can't miss it, right?

Make sure they see it --- ok, even if it's not in bright RED, that's just for those on this forum who CHOOSE to ignore the points they have no answer for...

BAD ENOUGH they don't know WHERE it'll wind up, but THAT MUCH --- ONE CLEAR SIGN
FAIR PLAY --- THIS IS TOO MUCH EFFORT????
GOD FORBID they know ALL beforehand ----

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[TicklerGabe]

Ya those girls know what they are getting into, would like to see those ranfaires here!

 

[rhiannon]

Just for the record, is that a random statement or are you implying you know there was a hidden camera being used?

I am just saying that it is possible that something gets filmed close up without the filmed person knowing it, that's all. I have no clue if a hidden camera was used or not.

if there was this guy constantly there, he would be at least suspicious

You know how this renfair stuff works, right? There is a group of people doing something, being constantly there....I don't know how that would be suspicious.

But still, these videos are out there. They were fine with just stopping this guy´s business.

If one of the women found her video and sued, the videos would for sure not be out there anymore - as well as that is possible once they've been posted on the net - or at least the publisher would have to pay some money!

 

[Master Baiter]

and lame, for that matter, my statements were NOT adequately or fully addressed at all ---- MasterBaiter,
Interesting how you picked & chose what you replied to ----
not the most basic statement ----

I addressed as much of your off-topic rambling as I saw fit.

It is rather difficult when you can't organize your thoughts into even one articulate post. You're all over the place, ranting like an old man who didn't get his whipped butter with his dinner roll.

The abuse of fonts don't help much either. I've seen pre-school drawings that were easier to interpret.

And Rhiannon won't be happy until every one of you internet pervert spies is locked up in a gulag.

 

[rhiannon]

Nah. I demand hanging, drawing and quartering Braveheart-style!

 

[Deadsea7777]

About the original topic of the thread, I think they know, most of them. Some may not realize, until it happen.

About the "de facto" topic, of it is legal or moral or ethical to do it I think is part of a bigger change in our life as we used to know it, due to the technology, how cheap it is, how good it is and how and the wide range it has.

Today anybody can register any event on film. And distributed it worldwide though the web. A hidden camera, recorder is very cheap and easy to use (the one that does not know that is still in the 80').

So in public we will have to accept that we could be filmed, anonymously and end up in the web.
I was asking, sometime ago, a friend of mine about a urinating competition back in the 80' in the back of a pub, you know who can hit the wall from the longest distance. Crazy stuff to release excess beer...Nowadays he is a general manager in an international company. I asked him, talking about youtube, what would happen if a clip of the competition would have been recorded and could hit youtube. He told me -That would be the end of my career-.
Maybe in the future when everybody will have skeletons immortalized in the web that would not be so important, but today it is.

So it would have been legal, and it would have been funny to watch, and it could have been very bad for him.
Everybody I think may have done something in public they could deeply regret later so there I think people should know they could be filmed. Is not a question of saying "Tickling is innocent".

However, the person that goes to a public party and today does not realize that there may be somebody filming is a fool. And the one that think that you could prosecute each person with a camera is a fool too.

So if I have a daughter/son I would teach her/him to be aware that today we live a world in which everything can be filmed, and virtually immortalize in the web, so to think "If I do that thing in public would I care if it goes to the web or not?" and act in consequence.

Of course if the person that made the clip of film is identifiable, you could always sue and litigate, and defend your privacy but most of the time you will not. And even if you win, the material after it hit the web, becomes immortal.

 

[rhiannon]

Of course if the person that made the clip of film is identifiable, you could always sue and litigate

If the material is sold, that wouldn't be too hard now. I don't know how it is in the states, but I know in Germany if you are identifiable on the clip, you always have the right to have it removed when it is published. Publishing alone is not totally legal, leave alone selling the material.

 

[nenezinho]

I am just saying that it is possible that something gets filmed close up without the filmed person knowing it, that's all. I have no clue if a hidden camera was used or not.

And i will agree with the possibilty that you have no clue about all of this. I´m also not sure, but as you say, it´s a possibilty.

Mind you...dont take this as an insult. I respect you and your way of thinking. Just love a good fight. And you should realize you are just throwing more flames into the fire and you are not even sure about what you say. I do respect you for admiting that you have no clue about it

You know how this renfair stuff works, right? There is a group of people doing something, being constantly there....I don't know how that would be suspicious.

Not really sure how it works. Are you??? dont think so. I did invited you to come with me and have a look
But answering you, i dont know how a guy could be using an hidden camera for days, weeks, years...constantly with the same guys around....with them never realizing it. Is he James Bond??? Also, assuming the other guys knew about it, i dont know how they would be ok with something so fishy. Also, i dont understand the need to use an hidden camera and being fishy. As i told you, i´m quite sure i can go there myself and filme stuff openly without any problem. So why have all the James Bond scenario????

if one of the women found her video and sued, the videos would for sure not be out there anymore - as well as that is possible once they've been posted on the net - or at least the publisher would have to pay some money!

The simple fact that the videos are still out, after the someone did find out about them, tells you they do not even consider that scenario. Therefore....we have to believe there´s no big possibility. Or at least, we have to believe the renfaire staff thinks this was all good fun and nothing serious so no big issue about it. If they believed othewise, they would fight to have ALL videos removed. As you say so well, the danger of someone going against them is real, and would be very real if this was trully a dangerous scenario. Apparently, it is not.

Of course you can allways try to denounce this on the news and see if anyone really cares about it. Then you will find out if this is really a big issue or not.


And once again, one thing i agree with you since the beginning is that the guy should never ever had sold any of this without everyone´s consent. But that one crime should not allow us to make this a way bigger thing than it really is.

But i do enjoy the discussion

 

[Babbles]

Because it's easy to abuse trust doesn't make it right.

I addressed as much of your off-topic rambling as I saw fit.

It is rather difficult when you can't organize your thoughts into even one articulate post. You're all over the place, ranting like an old man who didn't get his whipped butter with his dinner roll.

The abuse of fonts don't help much either. I've seen pre-school drawings that were easier to interpret.

And Rhiannon won't be happy until every one of you internet pervert spies is locked up in a gulag.

No, you just addressed the small fragment you thought you could handle... and didn't answer those directly either.

So here you are, just slinging dung like a peeved monkey who didn't get an extra banana at feeding time and once again ignoring

THE VERY CLEAR SIGN WHICH IS JUST TOO OBVIOUS A SOLUTION:

TICKLING AND FILMING HERE. That's all, folks!!

<a href="http://www.glitter-graphics.com"><img src="http://dl.glitter-graphics.net/pub/2043/2043631wit0zp7r9b.gif" width=69 height=60 border=0></a>...<a href="http://www.glitter-graphics.com"><img src="http://dl4.glitter-graphics.net/pub/2068/2068534oxzk1yxed0.gif" width=55 height=55 border=0></a>

SO EASY to get informed consent.

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Also too easy to just film with a small camcorder once someone's tied up already and kinda distracted....
Or even beforehand --- As others mentioned those gizmos are just getting smaller every year....

And if they don't speak Italian <a href="http://www.glitter-graphics.com"><img src="http://dl.glitter-graphics.net/pub/1051/1051811t73i4r73mu.gif" width=15 height=15 border=0></a> --- forget it.

The TOURISTS especially are sitting ducks. Literally.

It may be too easy to abuse them, local or not, it may be the Internet age,

but that doesn't make any of that right ---- JUST MAKE SURE THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE IN FOR AND THERE'S NO PROBLEM (!!)
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[Master Baiter]

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This Video is the best of the bunch, IMO.
It has it all!! Screaming Hot Chic with great reactions.
She learns her fate about 10 seconds into it. Her reaction is priceless.
At 55 sec. when he touches her feet with his hands the laughter and convulsions just tear through her. By the end, she's a wreck. Silent laughter ... the works.

This is one of the hottest things I've ever witnessed.

A sign would have ruined it.

A message for the detractors: take the stick out of your ass and enjoy this fine example of non-con at its best!