Do sexual acts have to be racist?

[tickler_n_black]

MrPartickler, jump in all you want.
🙂

 

[tickledorange]

I didn't think they were allowed to legally use the term "white slaves" because it makes them sound like sex traders.

 

[tickler_n_black]

I didn't think they were allowed to legally use the term "white slaves" because it makes them sound like sex traders.

Hmmm. I really don't know if it's legal or not. I do know that it is beyond degrading, and completely uncalled for in a description of a scene.

 

[tickler_n_black]

I'll bet somewhere you can find some fetish video of white guys gang banging a black girl and calling her nigger.

My guess is that you CANNOT find such a fetish video.

That scenario would be attacked instantly as racist and KKK-ish.
That's my point exactly about all this. The race card in such videos is harmfull, degrading, and just plain wrong. I don't think anyone needs to be treated in such a manner, talked to in such a manner, EVEN if it is for a fetish video scene.

I mean, WHERE is the line drawn?

 

[MrMacphisto]

But people are going to have sex when they have sex and all you can do is educate people about it. That's all you can really do.

Just wanted to put that out there.

I totally agree... now if only the abstinence movement people would listen to this...

 

[MrMacphisto]

Name any practice you want--up to and including ordinary heterosexual sex--and I can probably find you someone who thinks it's just plain wrong. However, <i>in context</i> an intelligent audience will likely think it's OK--for the persons' who are so inclined. There may be a larger or smaller number of people who object depending on what the practice is and who actually knows about it, but that's probably why the most controversial practices are so marginalized?

Good points.... I just wish people would leave each other's personal lives alone....

 

[MrMacphisto]

I didn't think they were allowed to legally use the term "white slaves" because it makes them sound like sex traders.

Um... I don't believe there are any laws against the use of the word "slave," even in a sexual context. At least, I'd hope that law enforcement is smart enough to be able to identify a true sex slave site when they run across one.... I'd assume that most sex slave activity isn't conducted on the net anyway....

 

[MrMacphisto]

Hmmm. I really don't know if it's legal or not. I do know that it is beyond degrading, and completely uncalled for in a description of a scene.

It's degrading, but some people are into that. Some people even enjoy being degraded. It's basically a form of emotional masochism...

 

[MrMacphisto]

My guess is that you CANNOT find such a fetish video.

That scenario would be attacked instantly as racist and KKK-ish.
That's my point exactly about all this. The race card in such videos is harmfull, degrading, and just plain wrong. I don't think anyone needs to be treated in such a manner, talked to in such a manner, EVEN if it is for a fetish video scene.

I mean, WHERE is the line drawn?

I still feel the opposite way. People should be able to say nigger, honky, spic, wap, chink, fag, dyke, kike, and whatever else if the site is promoting a fetish audience in which the people in the videos have consensually agreed to carry out the scenes involved. I'm not saying that having such a fetish is a healthy thing, but then again, I'm sure some people would say our fetish is unhealthy....

 

[Fire_Sprite]

After reading the descriptions on those videos I'm surprised its the words white and black that offend you.

 

[tickledorange]

Um... I don't believe there are any laws against the use of the word "slave," even in a sexual context. At least, I'd hope that law enforcement is smart enough to be able to identify a true sex slave site when they run across one.... I'd assume that most sex slave activity isn't conducted on the net anyway....

I didn't mean the word, I meant the act. I'm just suprised they haven't been investigated somehow.

 

[tickler_n_black]

After reading the descriptions on those videos I'm surprised its the words white and black that offend you.

Haha!
🙂
Good point!

 

[isabeau]

I still feel the opposite way. People should be able to say nigger, honky, spic, wap, chink, fag, dyke, kike, and whatever else if the site is promoting a fetish audience in which the people in the videos have consensually agreed to carry out the scenes involved. I'm not saying that having such a fetish is a healthy thing, but then again, I'm sure some people would say our fetish is unhealthy....

uh anymore names to add to that list??? wow i hate all those words, and any video that views that sort of language is taboo with me. and once again i have to say why is race still an issue in the twenty first century?

isabeau

 

[Soda83pop]

My whole thing is this... If I wanted to start a site that did what TIB said (reversed the roles: had white men with their black slaves), I'd be labeled a racist, but they can do the opposite without a word. I'm not offended by the site that TIB posted, but I am offended that this is a one-way street when it comes to race issues. People should be free to speak their minds, regardless of their prejudices or images....

No you wouldnt...have you ever watched porn? Every single racial stereotype, every single slur....use Google and look for some porn flicks. African American women have never been betrayed as anything less than "Bitches", "Ho's"...for God's sake, there is series upon series of movies that have those words in the title. AS for the White Man/Black woman slave fantasy, its been done. As a matter of fact I had a tickling magazine that claimed that one of the most requested movie scenarios was (gasp) white dudes tickling their black "slave women." If you can think of a an act/scene/word/race/creed, it is on film with someone having sex with someone else. Furthermore, and TiB can back me up on this one....its the women that run the industry. TiB cant make woman get tied down and let him tickle them, no more than white woman can put up with this and black women can allow themselves to be the box cover for "Hung in 'da 'hood: South Central Hookers". The men need the women far more than the women need the men. There is work to be found everywhere in porn for women. No woman does what she doesnt want to do in porn unless she is young and foolish.

Besides...the people that watch porn are condemned enough in society (and regardless of how anyone views it, tickle videos are labelled porn); the people who would want to take the time to remove your movie with the white slave owner calling black women "n*ggers" from the shelves would probably not want to admit they watched naked people engaged in sexual acts in the first place. Personally, I find it revolting. However, they are actors and actresses that participated on their own free will. No one has to watch the stuff.

 

[MrMacphisto]

Well, dajerx, I'm glad to know that it's not a one-way street then. By the way, I've never implied that the women in these videos were doing something against their will. I was actually implying quite the opposite. I'm glad that the porn industry is freer than I thought.

 

[Soda83pop]

Its not a one way street at all, buddy...when you are in a business that is fighting off censorship from the government as it is, it would make no sense (right or wrong) to further segment itself (although I think we may have veered off the point TiB was getting at...sorry).

 

[tickler_n_black]

maybe my initial point is getting lost in the translation.
my only point was that the racial language used is totally uncalled for.
it's demeaning to white women.
it's demaining to any woman actually.

to those of you that might be saying this is ok, how would you like your daughter, sister or mother to star in one of those videos?
to be degraded in that way?
would it still be ok then?

my point is, even though it's fantasy, and the female models are consensual and being paid (i hope), it STILL degrades women in the worst way, and the wording used definitely fuels racism.
😕

 

[Soda83pop]

to those of you that might be saying this is ok, how would you like your daughter, sister or mother to star in one of those videos?

The way I see it (and maybe Im looking at it the wrong way), its a script. Not only is it a script, but they are voluntarily responding to the script. It would be like me getting mad because someone called Will Smith a "n*gger" on Fresh Prince, or Judith Light a cracker on Who's the Boss. It is a role that they are being payed to do.

There are several people who would probably feel the same way about your videos. "I cant believe he captures these women, ties them up, and tickles them against their will." Of course, that is a ridiculous thought. You let them know in advance what is going to happen, there are safewords, money is exchanged, etc. And for the record, my sister and my mother are adults; they can participate in any videos they want to, yours or the subjects' of this thread. They are grown women with their own minds.

I mentioned this in a previous response, but I think it particularly risky for people in the business to call foul on what someone else does in the business (that business being making movies to saisfy a niche for those who find it sexually gratifying). I know several people that consider tickling people against their will or with bondage involved as a form of abuse. Many people have experienced abuse through tickling as children. Do I think all tickle vid companies should shut down because some people find it abusive. Of course not. Same with these people...personally, its not my taste, and I dont like it one bit. But I also dont particularly care for gay male porn, cream pies, pop shots, swallowing, or anything else that involves cum on my monitor for a length of time. But someone obviously does, or they wouldnt have taken the money to produce the material and host it on a website (as you know, that stuff isnt cheap).

All Im saying is, if it is consenting ADULTS (no kids or animals, for obvious reasons...the consent issue), and no one is doing anything he or she doesnt want to do, you have to chalk it up to "not my taste" and move on. Because the second you start censoring the adult industry, you are opening up a can of worms that could have results that even us here that are into something as "innocent" as tickling would feel the heat from.

 

[tickler_n_black]

yes but i'm not screaming "shut them down" or even attempting to censor them. i merely am stating my feelings on what they do and say. i have that right. we all do. never have i said "let's shut them down."

 

[Oddjob0226]

So...... the issue is: hard core, intense, adults-only pornography that one has to actively seek out, and then pay for.... could be done nicer?

Whigger, please. Is the "tickle TORTURE" verbiage on fetish websites acceptable because the models are not actual prisoners of war, but enemy combatants and therefore not covered by the Geneva Convention?

And believe me, the fact that TIB, Magic Touch, Tickling Paradise, et al, are not coming to me, asking me to be in their videos, - despite having some previous professional acting experience AND a real love for the tickling genre - makes me feel undesired and unattractive. So where do I march with a sign on a stick?

You know, boxing doesn't have to be as violent as it is, and I don't know why open heart surgery has to be so bloody.