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Do you Believe in Supernatural Phenomena?

Do you Believe in Supernatural Phenomena?

  • No

    Votes: 15 35.7%
  • Yes

    Votes: 27 64.3%

  • Total voters
    42
As I said, you will need to find a string theorist to answer the more technical questions.

The extra dimensions are not part of Einsteinian spacetime, but 'wrapped up' at the level of the string, which is a billion times smaller than a quark, Classical physics that apply to the cosmos don't apply at this scale, so you have to explore this possibility with quantum mechanics, and lower energy tests can be applied to a string theory of quantum chromodynamics, albeit not a string theory of the four forces.

As an astrophysicist, you are used to dealing with cosmic scales and Einsteinian spacetime. String theory is more the domain of particle and quantum physicists, but there are some good books on the subject if you want to get to grips with the thinking behind it, especially from those such as Kaku and (Brian) Greene.

It is definitely not a new-age hijacking of bleeding-edge physics like the stuff Deepak Chopra comes out with.

'Quantum physics? More like Quantum Flapdoodle!' -Murray Gell-Man
 
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Actually the wave property only defines the behavior of the particle and not its intrinsic characteristics. The wave behavior is caused by the vibrations of the particle when it is in motion which is due to the imperfect transfer of energy used to move the particle. The energy transferred to the particle to set it in motion is not delivered in a perfectly uniform direction which is the reason why it is impossible to build energy conversion devices that can achieve 100% efficiency. This is also observable in a mass scale because even when projectiles like missiles and bullets travel through a vaccum, they will vibrate because the force of the explosions used to move them do not travel in a perfectly uniform direction because the combusting gas molecules moving farther away from each other are in a turbulent random motion. As for the geometry of the elementary particles themselves, the particles will assume a spherical shape because the energy of the fundamental force fields of the particles are distributed equally in all directions which give the fields a spherical symmetry. This was confirmed in penning trap experiments used to measure the charge radius of the elementary particles. The electron for example has a charge radius of 10^-22m.

I realize that, but I was trying to explain it in a way that people can follow along without getting lost. Heh. Though the vibration of particles in a vacuum has more to do with the kinetic energy of the projectile itself than the explosion. Even if you achieve 0 kelvin temperature with no apparent motion in the vacuum, there is still a present minimum "zero-point" energy; phonon vibration.

Yes there is still a minimum vibration and this could be due to the initial energy coming from the big bang that set the particles moving away from the point of origin. After all, none of the matter in the universe is ever truly at rest.

As I have explained earlier, particles vibrate because of the imperfect transfer of energy used to set the particle in motion giving the particle its wavelike behavior. The string may just be the vibrating rotational axis of the spinning particle that has been set in motion.
 
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Considering that one only needs to read the works of more contemporary scientists, it is simple to show that he is wrong. As a "mere" science student, I know that the organic material that makes up my body - and yours - and everyone's - were ultimately produced through the destruction of a star. In fact, it's quite possible that the organic material that makes up my left hand probably came from a different exploding star than the material in my right.

So to quote the great Lawrence Krauss;

"forget jesus! stars died so you could be here today!"

Now, I never did say I "knew more". Just as Edwin Hubble was brilliant, and we owe him the fact that the universe is expanding, I can confidently say he was incorrect about the rate of expansion by a factor of 10.
 
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Considering that the consciousness is essentially a network of neurons, I would say it originates in the material body.

Now, for my "theory" to be right, I need to make an accurate prediction based on it. Here is a prediction I will make;

Since the conscious mind is a product of the body, (simply the byproduct of a functioning organ, the brain), it will also suffer the same setbacks as the body, such as disease and genetic defect. These problems of the mind will affect the awareness, as well as the perception of reality, of the individual.

Would you say that I'm correct with that prediction? 😉
Alzheimer's disease
Antisocial Personality Disorder
Anxiety Disorder
Bipolar Disorder
Down syndrome
Multiple Personality Disorder
Psychopathy
Schizophrenia

Let's not forget that psychoactive drugs alter the perception of reality as well, such as Marijuana and LSD. Were consciousness not rooted in the material body, would you not expect it to be free of these problems? Could you make an accurate prediction based on your idea that it's not part of the body?

Here's another prediction;

Since the body is essentially a machine, and the brain a computer; it may be possible to add new "hardware" to this machine that one can consciously manipulate.

Ever heard of BrainGate? What a man named Kevin Warwick?
 
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Why do you continue to make these bold assertions without providing some type of evidence? Do you want me to admit that your idea is right, or has any validity? Sorry, but I cannot. At this point, any further discourse without some kind of evidence from you will just have us going in circles.
 
Well, to ignore the argument going on, I do indeed believe in the paranormal. I do NOT believe it has, or ever will have, any explanation. From anything, or anyone.
 
I just think the kind of proof they want to receive,they can't get.Since most people can't see ghosts.Apparently,if you go in the right houses you can hear them.Or if you have a poltergeist you can see things fly across the room.Usually ''Ghost Hunters'' will EVP to get some answers or use other types of equipment.But the kind of proof skeptics want they can't get.It seems to me,the only way they would believe in a ghost is if it sat down and had lunch with them.That's just not going to happen.
 
As Michael Shermer famously says;

it's good to have an open mind, but not so open that your brain falls out.

😀
 
/facepalm

Argument from authority is a logical fallacy, not evidence. Look, I know there's no forum rules stating "OMGz, you have to back up all your claims with evidence!111!" --- but that's how I do things. There's also no rule stating I can't challenge people's claims. But since we're going in circles, I'm just going to stop. This is pointless. If anybody wants to test their claims against a scientific-minded person, feel free to PM me about it. I'm not going to waste anymore time/space re-stating "you have no evidence, so stop saying you know it's true". XD Have fun.
 
I answered yes, but technically I don't believe that supernatural is actually supernatural, but just something that the primitive human science has not discovered or managed to explain yet. For an instance I believe in magick, I actually know it (it's a difference between knowing and believing), but I dont consider magick something supernatural, just the manipulation of some energies yet undiscovered, or barely known by present humans (and I'm not talking about illusion-ism, I'm talking about occult, witchcraft power meditation and astral projection ). Some so-called supernatural aspects lead to some technical imitations. For example the mental communication was the inspiration for the phone. Electricity of lighting bolts was considered "The wrath of gods" by primitive people up to the point humans learned to create electricity themselves. The same was with fire. Within time people will discover a scientifically explanation of anything because nothing is actually supernatural, it's just unknown or unheard of.
 
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the question is oxymoronic - whatever exists can only be natural, therefore by claiming to believe in the supernatural one claims that the supernatural is natural.if it turns out that ghosts or whatever exist then ghostology will become a province of science.
 
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LOL...I didn't know this was a discussion about evidence. I didn't require evidence from any of your assertions. There is no wrong or right here. I'm just pointing out what one of the greatest scientific minds in modern times has said concerning the origin of Awareness.

he's intellectually dishonest, imperialism-cheerleading scum, but under the circumstances I feel I'm going to have to bite my pride, swallow the bullet and quote Christopher Hitchens

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence

to say that it's not a discussion about evidence is to declare that one finds the truth or falsehood of the matter to be irrelevant. it's an anti-progress, anti-human way to think. anything doesn't go, statements are either true or they are false. even the ones that seem to be partway between break down into wholly true and wholly false compartments. I am a hard liner, this is my hard line

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Obviously, what he is saying is nothing new and it mirrors what the ancient gnostics have been preaching for thousands of years.

they were talking bollocks. sorry to have to break it to you like this.

also, how long something has been claimed for has nothing whatsoever to do with whether it's true or not.

But why would this great scientist include this in his writings? He must have had some sort of evidence himself, he was no idiot, and he took science seriously to say the least. Have you ever read his Bio or any of his works?

I only can tell you from personal experience , that "we" the awareness of ourselves are much more than just humanoid creatures inhabiting the earth, and maybe that is why we see paranormal activity. That "awareness" is connected to us in our physical lives and is incapable of death, even when the material body dies. Its like a small part of us doesn't belong to this dimension and sometimes when we pass on we get caught between what is physical and what is eternal.

you sound like David Icke. Now David Icke is someone who I have a lot of time for, in a strange way. He's closer to the truth than someone who believes that bourgeois democracy represents the majority or that our rulers have our best interests at heart. nor is he insane, shapeshifting alien lizards or no - his beliefs are no stranger than, for example, thinking that the unleaved bread you're eating has become the flesh of Christ. That said, the man is wrong about everything, that is wrong in everything he claims and also wrong in the way he goes about asserting them. Do not be like David Icke. We can aspire to more.

It doesn't hold much water from a scientific aspect

therefore it is NOT TRUE. that is what it means when you say that something doesn't hold much water scientifically. in fact we don't even need a "therefore" here. "It doesn't hold much water from a scientific aspect" and "It's not true" are exactly equal in meaning, it's just that one is more linguistically parsimonious.

because science can only explore that which is contained in the five sensory, three dimensional world, but you have to admit, anything in this universe is probable and most certainly possible.

what the christ, oh dear oh dear. NO. science has explored and continues to explore a reality with many more dimensions (as in up-down, left-right, past-future) than we have any chance of visualising. but to make things a bit simpler, can you detect radiation with your five senses?

no, everything is not possible and especially not probable. perpetual motion machines are not possible thanks to the laws of thermodynamics, for example. i use this example because it shows us some of the potential consequences of this kind of woolly thinking. there are con-men who make a living out of tricking others into investing into perpetual motion machines and by believing anything to be possible you leave yourself open to that sort of attack. what's worse, by propagating that kind of thinking you weaken the minds of others and so strengthen the most predatory and parasitic of humans.

but you have to admit

no, I am compelled to do something but there's no admittance involved. you have to contemplate your failings and until you've done so for honour's sake you should not use a microwave, which after all works in a way not discernible to the five senses. nor should you use a digital watch as these days they too usually use radiation, if i remember right. if someone blatantly lies to your face you may not call them on it because after all everything is possible or even probable. and if you get injured by all that's real you better not have an x-ray done.
 
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ok, berserk button off. i regret that circumstances led me to feel obliged to rant like that at you misterpedi. nothing personal, just that truth must always trump decorum.
 
Whatever. Of course there's supernatural phenomena. How else do you suppose they can claim that Trix® are magically delicious?
 
Do you believe in magic in a young girl's heart? How the music can free her, whenever it starts. And it's magic, if the music is groovy. It makes you feel happy like an old-time movie. I'll tell you about the magic, and it'll free your soul but it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock and roll.

If you believe in magic don't bother to choose if it's jug band music or rhythm and blues. Just go and listen it'll start with a smile, it won't wipe off your face no matter how hard you try. Your feet start tapping and you can't seem to find how you got there, so just blow your mind.

If you believe in magic, come along with me, we'll dance until morning 'til there's just you and me. And maybe, if the music is right
I'll meet you tomorrow, sort of late at night, and we'll go dancing, baby, then you'll see how the magic's in the music and the music's in me.

Yeah, do you believe in magic? Yeah. Believe in the magic of a young girl's soul? Believe in the magic of rock and roll? Believe in the magic that can set you free?

Do you believe like I believe? Do you believe in magic?
 
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the question is oxymoronic - whatever exists can only be natural, therefore by claiming to believe in the supernatural one claims that the supernatural is natural.if it turns out that ghosts or whatever exist then ghostology will become a province of science.

Very good point; when things seem supernatural they're probably just functioning via as-yet-unknown laws of physics and should be termed "supernormal".


What about the human soul? (If it exists) The Bible says not to fear those who can kill the body but can't kill the soul- this is like a promise that the soul cannot be harmed by any physical means. If it were part of the natural world, it would be possible for humans to destroy or contain a soul for their own horrible purposes...

(picture spiritual concentration camps where innocent eternal souls are tortured forever for being political dissidents; imagine your own soul falling into the hands of a serial killer and for centuries you are constantly tortured in his basement, without hope of death to release you)

The soul would have to be something that cannot be harmed by any technology, no matter how advanced, ever; in order to be "safe" it would have to be beyond ALL the laws of physics, not just outside the KNOWN laws of physics. This would qualify as something "supernatural". Of course, we could never detect the soul by any means....
 
Strangely, misterpedi has deleted all of his posts in this thread. It is rather unusual.
 
When in doubt, remove your verbally-shredded argument from existence. This wasn't entirely unexpected. Perhaps he actually learned some science and realized how strange his worldview was.
 
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