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Do *you* think the forum is split?

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I think what Flock said is very true. The simple fact that this type of thread always seem to come up could be there is some validity that there IS "cliquish" behavior in the TMF.

An outside observer could merely peruse the threads and certain names seem to pop up a LOT. You go to threads and you can see this long, high response, type of topic and generally, you see people posting to each other a lot. I also see in these same threads that someone can post something and no one responds to their point of view, but people tend to respond to, let's say, more "popular" members. The person who posted one post in the thread could feel excluded because no one addressed their point of view, it was as though they were skipped over.

So, because this phenomenon happens, (and it DOES), it's not easy for people to say "just post in threads! Be interactive!" and then people can get involved. Sometimes people do not realize they are "skipping" over people, just human nature. How many times have you seen someone post a topic and they barely get any response? But I promise you that if a "popular" poster creates a thread, see how many responses they get. Think I'm making this up? Look around....

There is no "right" or "wrong". There is cliquish behavior, even if it is unintentional. People are not aware of it. But try to look at it from the point of view of a lurker. Why else is there a perception of cliques? Why would it even come up if the perception is not there? It is because it is there. I hate to break it to people, but it is human nature to belong in a "clique". We all have "cliques" in our lives. They are our closest friends/family. In all of our lives, certain people will ALWAYS be closer than others within the people you know in everyday life. You have your "close circle" of friends, and you have your "casual friends/acquaintences". That "close circle" is your clique. People need to acknowledge this phenomenon and being in a "clique" is not necessarily a negative thing. You just so happen to be closer to a certain set of people than others. This is not a bad thing. But, you also have to realize that others will view you as a "popular" group and feel they can't be included. They tried and no one responded to them from that "popular" group.

Anyone remember High School? The TMF is similar to it. You have your "sports people", you have your "A crowd" people (perceived), you have your stories people, your clips people, your chat people, your P&R people, etc. Anyone denying clique behavior doesn't exist just needs to look around and you will see it... Now, what can be done about it? Not much. Just try to roll with the punches and find things YOU like to do in this forum and stick with it...
 
Anyone remember High School? The TMF is similar to it. You have your "sports people", you have your "A crowd" people (perceived), you have your stories people, your clips people, your chat people, your P&R people, etc. Anyone denying clique behavior doesn't exist just needs to look around and you will see it... Now, what can be done about it? Not much. Just try to roll with the punches and find things YOU like to do in this forum and stick with it...

I don't agree that the TMF is similar to high school at all, and if you think so, then it justifies 'cliques' existing here when really it should be the greater community.

I mean, look...the fact that we all signed up to this forum means that immediately we share a common interest in something, and we should use that as a foundation to move forward together, rather than this 'your stories people, clip people, chat people, P&R people" clique shit.

-Xionking
 
Then you do not see my point. The TMF IS like High School. The common theme in High School? We are all students. The TMF? We all like tickling. But not everyone who posts in the "Images" section a lot post in the General Discussion a lot. You do have "sports" posters, "P&R" posters, "stories" posters, "images" posters, "silly stuff" posters, etc.

Look around the TMF to see how people can view this place as having cliques. Being in a clique is human nature. The problem is, people view the word "clique" as something negative. People will always be more friendly and feel more close to with certain people than they are with others. That's human nature and it does exist here on the TMF.
 
First off, I agree with everyone whose initial reaction is summed up thusly: :beathorse:

I don't think I've ever commented on this issue before, so I'm going to now, even if it has been discussed to death. To inject some new life into the discussion, I made graphs! 😀

And I thank you for one of the only fresh insights I've seen on this topic in hundreds of posts. :twohugs:

I think you make a very good point. The Northern CA gatherings group is pretty tight, and I know that shows up in our online behavior... at least it did while most of us were still active. :idunno: I do perceive a change in the style and quality of discourse - it seems like a few people make themselves very loud, but fewer voices are coming through the noise.

It appears that to me that most of the responses generated on this forum have more to do with the messenger than with the message. Back when I posted more often, I noticed that other posters were more likely to respond and/or agree with something I wrote. Now, I can post something that I consider equally discussion-worthy, and be ignored completely. Several other thoughtful, intelligent posters I know come to mind, and I know they've all had the experience of posting something very insightful, only to have someone more "popular" say the same thing one or two posts later, causing another half-dozen people to chime in "I agree!"

Being invisible is annoying, and discussing it to death doesn't change the basic dynamics of the way people interact on this forum.
 
Oh God... This reminds me of the clique craze where everyone was coming up with their own clique threads... Please, for the love of FUCK don't let that happen again! lol.

But seriously... Everyone's different, and when everyone's different, there will always be the kind of split you're talking about... or at least that I think you're talking about, lol.
 
Oh God... This reminds me of the clique craze where everyone was coming up with their own clique threads... Please, for the love of FUCK don't let that happen again! lol.

But seriously... Everyone's different, and when everyone's different, there will always be the kind of split you're talking about... or at least that I think you're talking about, lol.

Ah fuck... I just noticed all of the "How do I come across?" type threads in the general section. *sigh* these random crazes never end, do they? lol
 
Fuck cliques; we need gangs. TMF Gangs. With different coloured bandanas and hand signs and tattoos and shit. Then we'd really be cool.

I now declare this thread property of the P&Rollin 69ers. If you're not down with the mauve and aquamarine get the fuck out.
 
Personally, your two cents are worth a million. Great point.

This forum is split into two groups, the active and the lurking.

Ain't that the truth.

I can see where people are coming from on both sides. That said, I've never fit in any group here (and maybe that's why I have very few friends here. :doh:). But honestly, I find it absolutely impossible for everyone to get along.

Think about it. A twenty year old is really not going to have the same mindset as say, a fifty year old. If there are pissing contests (and I've seen them), then it has to do with personality and maturity. I would be really shocked if I heard people saying they quit the forum because of young people. If that were the case, I guess I should bail because there's people here as old as my father. Insulting enough? It's just as bad for the young folk who hear, "it's just not what it used to be" which sounds more like, "these goddamn kids are going to ruin this town."

That said, some of the people I'm closest to on this forum are twice my age. And they know that and we have a unique friendship. I'd like to meet more closer to my age range just to have the different perspective. But to get all up in arms because people have formed their own groups, and some don't get along with each other? I fail to see how that's not life.

This is a forum. Some people open their mouths to cause trouble. It's called trolling. You have some people who have just become legal here and they are certainly seeing the world different than someone much older than them. I've seen what Crystal is talking about the split and I feel it mostly has to due with age. That's going to be anywhere. We're all joined here with the interest of tickling, but that's not enough to make this place one of rainbows, candy and balloons.

So the many groups (I agree with Jeff when I say groups, as there are hundreds and with overlap) are fine. It's not something that's going to cause the forum to fall into disarray. As long as people don't freakin' antagonize each other and perhaps try to be a bit understanding of someone else's view point, there's no reason to fret.

Besides, in the end, is there really something wrong with the "block" button?
 
I think what Flock said is very true. The simple fact that this type of thread always seem to come up could be there is some validity that there IS "cliquish" behavior in the TMF.

An outside observer could merely peruse the threads and certain names seem to pop up a LOT. You go to threads and you can see this long, high response, type of topic and generally, you see people posting to each other a lot. I also see in these same threads that someone can post something and no one responds to their point of view, but people tend to respond to, let's say, more "popular" members. The person who posted one post in the thread could feel excluded because no one addressed their point of view, it was as though they were skipped over.

So, because this phenomenon happens, (and it DOES), it's not easy for people to say "just post in threads! Be interactive!" and then people can get involved. Sometimes people do not realize they are "skipping" over people, just human nature. How many times have you seen someone post a topic and they barely get any response? But I promise you that if a "popular" poster creates a thread, see how many responses they get. Think I'm making this up? Look around....

There is no "right" or "wrong". There is cliquish behavior, even if it is unintentional. People are not aware of it. But try to look at it from the point of view of a lurker. Why else is there a perception of cliques? Why would it even come up if the perception is not there? It is because it is there. I hate to break it to people, but it is human nature to belong in a "clique". We all have "cliques" in our lives. They are our closest friends/family. In all of our lives, certain people will ALWAYS be closer than others within the people you know in everyday life. You have your "close circle" of friends, and you have your "casual friends/acquaintences". That "close circle" is your clique. People need to acknowledge this phenomenon and being in a "clique" is not necessarily a negative thing. You just so happen to be closer to a certain set of people than others. This is not a bad thing. But, you also have to realize that others will view you as a "popular" group and feel they can't be included. They tried and no one responded to them from that "popular" group.

Anyone remember High School? The TMF is similar to it. You have your "sports people", you have your "A crowd" people (perceived), you have your stories people, your clips people, your chat people, your P&R people, etc. Anyone denying clique behavior doesn't exist just needs to look around and you will see it... Now, what can be done about it? Not much. Just try to roll with the punches and find things YOU like to do in this forum and stick with it...

Very well said & thought out response

With this many people here , its nearly impossible to avoid this type of behavior

This ''clique'' talk seems to come when a popular or heated topic is overshadowed by ''personal chatter'' inside thread between friends. This seems to happen more frequently lately; i have been guilty of this myself on occasion. I can definately see where those individuals who are there strictly to post on subject matter could feel left out or ''not in the loop ''.
 
I don't think we're split, in the sense of being divided down the middle of two opposing camps.

I do think we represent hundreds of different groups, with a lot of overlap.

what jeff said there is hundreds of different groups
hell i am part of one group on here

put i would say when the TMF first started we were all one group
not now thought
 
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First off, I dont see threads on this topic as a "problem"...what I see here is a lot of people having an intelligent discussion and expressing their opinions and letting others know how they feel...at the same time respecting one another........KUDOS!!!

This is EXACTLY they type of discussion that brings people closer together from getting to know one another's POV a little more clearly...

With the number of threads popping up about "How do I fit in, or "Come across" or just in general about feeling left out, Tracy and I have decided to open up our next show to discuss these topics live on TMF Radio.....

We welcome anyone who has an opinion on any of this to call in. If you are unable to and wish to participate, PM me your views and or comments and we will include them on the show....
 
put i would say then the TMF first started we were all one group
not now thought

I must disagree here. When the forum first started there were those "in the know" about what was happening and how it would proceed.

There were those that knew others and were already friends.

There were those that lurked and would never actually post on any forum..

There were those that joked with each other in threads leaving many of us with that left out feeling just knowing we would never be a part.

There were those that attended and ran gatherings and left many with that envious feeling knowing we never could attend and be a part of the public scene...

And there were those that kept trying to break into the community by posting here and there and sharing a bit of themselves...

HEY..we havent changed!!!!

Except that membership has grown to epic proportions and there are FAR MORE opportunities to make friends and interact than there ever were when we first started....

I lurked here for a time as I never knew how to make a first post and felt I really didnt have anything to share...

Then I saw a thread that struck me and I commented on it and havent shut up since much to the dismay of others...:roflmao:
 
less split, more diced.

Cant imagine us being one group of friends so large, we`re all different, twood never work, many many little groups of friends, some bigger and more obvious than others but none more important than the next.
 
Fuck cliques; we need gangs. TMF Gangs. With different coloured bandanas and hand signs and tattoos and shit. Then we'd really be cool.

I now declare this thread property of the P&Rollin 69ers. If you're not down with the mauve and aquamarine get the fuck out.

:roflmao:
 
Fuck cliques; we need gangs. TMF Gangs. With different coloured bandanas and hand signs and tattoos and shit. Then we'd really be cool.

I now declare this thread property of the P&Rollin 69ers. If you're not down with the mauve and aquamarine get the fuck out.

Good idea. i want to be part of the TMF Cryps! :headbang:
 
So, because this phenomenon happens, (and it DOES), it's not easy for people to say "just post in threads! Be interactive!" and then people can get involved. Sometimes people do not realize they are "skipping" over people, just human nature. How many times have you seen someone post a topic and they barely get any response? But I promise you that if a "popular" poster creates a thread, see how many responses they get. Think I'm making this up? Look around....

Prime.......will you marry me? :woot2:

Well said, Prime! I think that's the main problem here, besides obvious miscommunication. It's not easy to feel included when people don't respond to the efforts you make to put yourself out there. I'm not saying that we should just start to respond to EVERYONE's posts, but be mindful of those who actually de-lurk to participate in the forums.

I totally support the TMF Gangs! But, could we be like the "West Side Story" gangs and dance and sing and schtuff?
 
Then you do not see my point. The TMF IS like High School. The common theme in High School? We are all students. The TMF? We all like tickling. But not everyone who posts in the "Images" section a lot post in the General Discussion a lot. You do have "sports" posters, "P&R" posters, "stories" posters, "images" posters, "silly stuff" posters, etc.

Look around the TMF to see how people can view this place as having cliques. Being in a clique is human nature. The problem is, people view the word "clique" as something negative. People will always be more friendly and feel more close to with certain people than they are with others. That's human nature and it does exist here on the TMF.

You know, you said TMF is "like" high school, not that it was high school. I think you gave a great analogy because I feel similar. I could really care less about cliques no more than I did in high school. But I do understand that some people are more social and can fit in better than others.

I live in a community; I speak and am socially courteous to everyone. But I only have a couple of neighbors that I'm close to and would do anything for and they for me. We have over 80,000 people here in this community so the longer a member stays here, the likelihood of meeting people and developing relationships is huge. If you want to lurk and that's more comfortable for you, that's okay too-we still love ya'!
 
Fuck cliques; we need gangs. TMF Gangs. With different coloured bandanas and hand signs and tattoos and shit. Then we'd really be cool.

I now declare this thread property of the P&Rollin 69ers. If you're not down with the mauve and aquamarine get the fuck out.

:rowfull::omg::rockon:

You sir, are a sick man......a very sick man! Too friggin' funny!

I'm going to split the P&Rollin 69ers; I'll take over the "emotional arguments without facts" gang. It's only me for now, but I will grow the membership then come in and drive the regulars crazy for sure!!!!

Come to think of it, I do a fine job by myself. What would Redmage do with more than one of me?? Love you Red....:hipoke: :Kiss2:
 
I totally support the TMF Gangs! But, could we be like the "West Side Story" gangs and dance and sing and schtuff?

Of course; we could wear different coloured spandex leggings instead of bandanas. And leg warmers and hairbands and stuff.

This is going to be awesome...

I'm going to split the P&Rollin 69ers; I'll take over the "emotional arguments without facts" gang.

This gang already exists and it is the single most deadly gang in the history of mankind >_<
 
This gang already exists and it is the single most deadly gang in the history of mankind >_<

And here I thought I was doing something original!:woot2:

I apologize to the OP for getting off track........I'm going back to my rock now!
 
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