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tickles

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Hey all,

Can anyone tell me about this game? My 14y/o wants to join a group a kids to play this game but knew to ask me if it was ok. My recollection of D&D is from the 80s when some teenage boys, I believe, either committed suicide or murder. Anyway, this game has gotten a bad rap in the past. Teenagers these days are into fantasy games. They are all virtual worlds and such...but this game, I'm afraid ,is going to be "dark" and suggestive of harmful things. What does everyone think of this game?

Thankyou for your input... 🙂
 
My guess is that Redmage probably has the most experience with D&D, but there are many others on the forum into it as well. It's a game I've always found fascinating in concept but never found the time to invest in it.
 
First of all, there are many positives to playing D&D, that incident you zeroed in on was just one in a small group of troubled people. I myself have played D&D since I was 12 and I am a healthy normal man; no suicidal tendencies, no devil worshipping...that's all bunk.

Secondly, I would let my child play it. I have found that playing D&D greatly stimulates one's imagination and cognative skillls...I'll tell ya my imagination has recieved a boost from my experiance hosting D&D games. You also play with others which encourages teamwork and group thinking on everyone's part.

Third...its just a fun experiance 😀 Its a lot better than sitting on your duff glued to the tv or Playstation at any rate. At least you're interacting with others.

If you want to know more, please don't hesitate to PM me and I can fill you in on anything else. I also know Redmage and ShiningIce play as well amongst many others here. But I'll do my best to fill you in on any other details if you'd like them.

Chris (ChosenofMystra)
 
Thankyou Chris....She already enjoys Full metal Alchemist....a lot of fantasy reading like The Lord of the Rings series....as well as Runescape....so this sounds good....I'll wait to hear from others.... :bubble:

Thankyou as well drew..... :bubble:
 
tickles said:
She already enjoys Full metal Alchemist....a

Lord save us all! LOL 😀

But you are most welcome tickles. I hope your daughter enjoys herself as much as I have playing it.
 
If you can trust the guy who runs the adventure, then your kid is in for some fun. But you have to be careful. Some people I knew used this game to satiate some pretty sick desires. When I was younger, I ran some campaigns. My only rules were that characters were not evil and if anyone tried to commit rape, their character's heart was going to explode right then and there.

All in all, it can be a hoot. Just make sure to ask your kid after the first few sessions if the DM(short for Dungeon Master-the guy who runs the adventure) is using an adventure suppliment called "the book of vile darkness." If he answers yes then ask how many times has this book been refered to during the adventure. You might want to reconsider if he answers with "a lot."
 
Dussicar said:
If you can trust the guy who runs the adventure, then your kid is in for some fun. But you have to be careful. Some people I knew used this game to satiate some pretty sick desires. When I was younger, I ran some campaigns. My only rules were that characters were not evil and if anyone tried to commit rape, their character's heart was going to explode right then and there.

All in all, it can be a hoot. Just make sure to ask your kid after the first few sessions if the DM(short for Dungeon Master-the guy who runs the adventure) is using an adventure suppliment called "the book of vile darkness." If he answers yes then ask how many times has this book been refered to during the adventure. You might want to reconsider if he answers with "a lot."

While I agree with you that I don't run evil campaigns, I happen to use the Book of Vile Darkness as a DM to make my villians truely evil...so the PC's feel epic and heroic upon defeating them. I don't allow them to use anything out of the book....but I let them use the Book of Exalted Deeds which you forgot to mention is the good counterpart to the Book of Vile Darkness.

I know there are groups that do some pretty odd stuff, but its been my experiance that for the most part, they are a minority.

I use the Book of Vile Darkness and neither I nor my players go out and sacrifice small animals or kill virgins on a bloody altar. Plus the book has a disclaimer on it stating that is intended for mature situations so everyone in my group must be over 18 when I run a game that uses it.

But I kind of take offense to the statement. My gamers don't ever participate in rape or anything of that sort. We use the book to make villians truely evil and heroes truely heroic.
 
Thankyou...Thankyou both again for the heads up...I have done some reading and realize that the DM...is key and the game is somewhat open ended regarding imagination....I talked with my daughter about possible scenarios that would not be acceptable....and offered my home as a meeting place to play....I'll ask to meet the young man running the game....
 
ChosenofMystra said:
While I agree with you that I don't run evil campaigns, I happen to use the Book of Vile Darkness as a DM to make my villians truely evil...so the PC's feel epic and heroic upon defeating them. I don't allow them to use anything out of the book....but I let them use the Book of Exalted Deeds which you forgot to mention is the good counterpart to the Book of Vile Darkness.

I know there are groups that do some pretty odd stuff, but its been my experiance that for the most part, they are a minority.

I use the Book of Vile Darkness and neither I nor my players go out and sacrifice small animals or kill virgins on a bloody altar. Plus the book has a disclaimer on it stating that is intended for mature situations so everyone in my group must be over 18 when I run a game that uses it.

But I kind of take offense to the statement. My gamers don't ever participate in rape or anything of that sort. We use the book to make villians truely evil and heroes truely heroic.

Actually, the book DOES quite well to flesh out antagonists. And to those ends, the book makes for a perfect suppliment, but I'm mostly refering to how it could be miss used by a DM. This was more or less to inform tickles about possible problems. I had played that game for a long time and have seen it abused to the point of not wanting to play it anymore in some cases.

As for the rape statement, I only mentioned that as a segue and don't truly expect Tickles kid and co. to be running around the Forgotten Realms raping women at alarming rates. It was just a rule that *I* demanded on in my games.

I know that PnP RPG's are given a bad rap by society. My intentions are not to scare anyone off or add to the army of detractors that label us as satan-worshipping freaks, but I had to go out of my way to explain how it MIGHT be missused. I just felt he had the right to know.

TICKLES: I do want to say that the game is really fun. Just make sure, as a concerned parent, that when he is done a few adventures, to ask a few questions...But don't get over-zealous..

Beating the ever-living piss out of wayward goblin theives is nine tenths of the game so don't worry. :jester:
 
Ahh I see where you're coming from now. My apologies for any misunderstanding 😀
 
I attack the darkness!

tickles said:
Hey all,

Can anyone tell me about this game? My 14y/o wants to join a group a kids to play this game but knew to ask me if it was ok. My recollection of D&D is from the 80s when some teenage boys, I believe, either committed suicide or murder. Anyway, this game has gotten a bad rap in the past. Teenagers these days are into fantasy games. They are all virtual worlds and such...but this game, I'm afraid ,is going to be "dark" and suggestive of harmful things. What does everyone think of this game?

Thankyou for your input... 🙂

Those wacky teenage boys... well as you can see it has been over 20 years and there have been no rash of murderers using Bigby's Stabbing Hand to kill anyone. Our chool D&D club got closed one year because of that 60 minutes story as our teach did not have the time to fight it should we be challenged. Honestly you are more likely to worry about an interest in spending a lot of money on books and dice. 🙂

It isn't anymore dark or suggestive than modern movies or television.
 
That is the funniest thing I have seen in years Flatfoot!!!! Oh my god I'm cracking up!!
 
tickles said:
Hey all,

Can anyone tell me about this game? My 14y/o wants to join a group a kids to play this game but knew to ask me if it was ok. My recollection of D&D is from the 80s when some teenage boys, I believe, either committed suicide or murder. Anyway, this game has gotten a bad rap in the past. Teenagers these days are into fantasy games. They are all virtual worlds and such...but this game, I'm afraid ,is going to be "dark" and suggestive of harmful things. What does everyone think of this game?

Thankyou for your input... 🙂

D&D is a good starting point for your daughter when it comes to roleplaying. It's one of the more kid-friendly games out there, for the most part. The themes are engaging and intellectual, but they're not too "adult." My favorite roleplaying game was Vampire. It was quite a bit more adult in its themes, but it's a good game for your daughter to work up to when she hits about 18. To be honest, I would think she'd be able to handle any roleplaying game when it comes to themes, but if you want to play it safe, D&D is the way to go.
 
Hello tickles,

I guess by now you've learned a bit about how the game works. A group of players get together (often in person, like for a bridge game). Each person creates a character (often a long-standing persona they develop over years.) The leader, the dungeon master (DM), weaves an interactive story, often guided by published material. As the story progresses, each person gets the opportunity to make certain decisions for their character (You see a doorway. Do you go through? or, A hostile being approaches. Do you flee, fight, hide, etc?) Some decisions are made by the DM, often by rolling dice. (You stepped through the doorway. Die comes up 1, you get challenged; 2, you get attacked; 3, you find a book; etc.)

Is the game good or bad? It's like asking if reading, or acting in a play is good or bad. Kinda depends on the book or play, and the maturity of the person.

Try asking the question from a different viewpoint. Your daughter wants to get together with friends and weave a long, complex story. It can be lots of fun, and like any well-told story, emotionally gripping and satisfying.

Put this way, the question becomes, how well do you know the friends, or how well do you trust your daughter to choose her friends. I don't know your daughter, but were I in your shoes, I would want to know the friends or the parents, and would want the game to take place in a home where trustworthy parents will be quietly in the background.

My best friend has been a DM for years. He started at age 13. His dad let the kids meet as his house. As he said, the grocery bill was huge, and worth every penny for his peace of mind. That group of kids became close. My friend married a girl from the group. They played regularly until they scattered for college, and as often as possible even then. Many went to the military together. They still get together for holidays, now that they're in their 30s. In college, they dabbled in life-action play, running around in the desert acting out the game. A couple years of that and they decided it was more comfortable around the dining room table. A few of the married couples incorporated some sexual play and partner swapping into the game briefly. Perhaps remarkably, they had fun, the friendships are all still intact, and they still run a game every few months.

Yes, crazy people sometimes play the game, too. I was a student at Texas A&M when some folks were breaking into the steam tunnels to play live-action down there. Tore up some property, one got hurt, made the headlines. But those guys probably would have gotten into trouble some other way if they weren't playing the game.

And yes, there are some role-playing games out there that are much more adult, or that are much darker. There are several local vampire games here in town, some with pretty questionable sex and health practices.

But like I say, D&D can be safe and lots of fun. Just use your best judgement about who she plays with and the setting she plays in.

The fact that you're asking the question means I'm not too worried you'll make the right choice!

🙂 E. Bunbury
 
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Um can someone explain this "rape" issue for me........my understanding is that its a board game thingy and am curious to how "rape" plays a role.

Joining a sports team is another great way to interact with people and make friends......just a thought 😛 (no offence meant)

Priest
 
I truly believe that in this day and age, anything that promotes creativity is automatically deemed suspicious by the paranoid.
 
..WOW..thank you ALL for the great responses....I am relieved and know what to watch for...Actually, this game is not unlike the popular fantasy games of today...beginning with Pokemon that targets young children...My children have had a ball with Pokemon in the past. There is an internet game called Runescape that they play where they can enter different realms, gain strength and they beat the crap put of trolls and ogres for power...so I'm not too concerned about that stuff....I will offer my home as the place to play.....and Flatfoot...that video is hilarious!

And Sean, I'm not sure of your age but this game became contoversial is the 80's when some kids went off the deep end while playing. I believe this was the first of its kind in the 80's (as far as role/fantasy play) and parents became concerned...This type of gaming is popular now...I just didn't know much about it...and neither did my daughter...As far as imagination stimulating games.....Im all for it! But at age 14....discernment is still my responsibility..... :cat:
 
tickles said:
And Sean, I'm not sure of your age but this game became contoversial is the 80's when some kids went off the deep end while playing. I believe this was the first of its kind in the 80's (as far as role/fantasy play) and parents became concerned...This type of gaming is popular now...I just didn't know much about it...and neither did my daughter...As far as imagination stimulating games.....Im all for it! But at age 14....discernment is still my responsibility..... :cat:


Yup.....I was there in the heat of "D&D is satanic and bad for kids". Did a speech on it in my religious studies class in high school. And that stupid Tom Hanks tv movie didn't help D&D at all.
 
The Sean Man said:
Yup.....I was there in the heat of "D&D is satanic and bad for kids". Did a speech on it in my religious studies class in high school. And that stupid Tom Hanks tv movie didn't help D&D at all.


Tom Hanks did a TV movie aboutit? I've never heard about it. What happened in it?


To FLATFOOT: ROTFLMAO!!!!

That group in the video reminds me of a few I've had to deal with in the past.
 
Dussicar said:
Tom Hanks did a TV movie aboutit? I've never heard about it. What happened in it?


To FLATFOOT: ROTFLMAO!!!!

That group in the video reminds me of a few I've had to deal with in the past.


It was called "Mazes and Monsters". Tom played a likable (shocker) college guy whom some role-playing students tried to recruit for their game. Tom's character had had some "problems" in the past with role-playing games, having trouble telling reality from fantasy. They decide to play the game in a series of caves, sort of taking the game to the next level. Tom's character freaks out, and goes back to the booby hatch.
 
german said:
Um can someone explain this "rape" issue for me........my understanding is that its a board game thingy and am curious to how "rape" plays a role.

Joining a sports team is another great way to interact with people and make friends......just a thought 😛 (no offence meant)

Priest


It dosen't play a role at all. I was illustrating that some of the morons I have had to play with in the past had a nasty tendency to realise that this system was open ended. In other words; you could see the little lightbulb go on inside their little mal-adjusted, malcontent heads. Both my friend and I have horror stories about past groups who spent more time beating each other up than the bad guys. Or the fact that when entering a town realising that they are stronger than most of the populace and took full advantage of it in very twisted ways.

D&D isn't a board game. It is a game where you write your character's stats down on a piece of paper. A person known as the Dungeon Master is responsible for creating an adventure for the players and then running them through a storyline. The players react as they see fit to any given plot device.
 
The Sean Man said:
It was called "Mazes and Monsters". Tom played a likable (shocker) college guy whom some role-playing students tried to recruit for their game. Tom's character had had some "problems" in the past with role-playing games, having trouble telling reality from fantasy. They decide to play the game in a series of caves, sort of taking the game to the next level. Tom's character freaks out, and goes back to the booby hatch.


OY!

Yeah, that would do it for any nay-sayers, all right.

Heh. Does anyone here have a scan of the infamous Jack Chick D&D comic strip? It is the lving epitome of peoples ignorance towards this game.
 
Dussicar said:
It dosen't play a role at all. I was illustrating that some of the morons I have had to play with in the past had a nasty tendency to realise that this system was open ended. In other words; you could see the little lightbulb go on inside their little mal-adjusted, malcontent heads. Both my friend and I have horror stories about past groups who spent more time beating each other up than the bad guys. Or the fact that when entering a town realising that they are stronger than most of the populace and took full advantage of it in very twisted ways.

D&D isn't a board game. It is a game where you write your character's stats down on a piece of paper. A person known as the Dungeon Master is responsible for creating an adventure for the players and then running them through a storyline. The players react as they see fit to any given plot device.

What he said German 🙂 essentially playing D&D is like acting in a play. The DM, or the one who runs the game acts a sort of referee to the characters the players play as, which basically boil down to "alter egos" for lack of a better word. They act out what their individual characters would do and the DM mediates.

Now, you've got your morons like Dussicar said he's encountered that like to "role play" their characters engaging in some pretty sick and twisted acts at times, which give the entire game a bad name. Hope that helps
 
Dussicar said:
OY!

Yeah, that would do it for any nay-sayers, all right.

Heh. Does anyone here have a scan of the infamous Jack Chick D&D comic strip? It is the lving epitome of peoples ignorance towards this game.


Here it is

Not this does not in any way reflect on the real practice of playing Dungeons and Dragons. It is the propaganda of an intollerant bigot.


As for Dungeons and Dragons, as mentioned, it is great for fostering imagination. Remember the old days when kid had to pretend things were happening instead of spending hours a day watching TV? DnD helps the imagination grow by making a person create the world in their minds. During a good session, which is basically just talking among a group of people, I have as vivid a mental image of what is going on as if i was watching it on TV. Thats a major benifit in a world where imagination seems to be dieing.


To the OP, I started playing DnD when I was 14 with a group of guys I met in Boy Scouts. I turned out fine and they are some of my best friends still today. Its great that you want to be informed and are taking steps to supervise this activity at first.
 
german said:
Um can someone explain this "rape" issue for me........my understanding is that its a board game thingy and am curious to how "rape" plays a role.

Joining a sports team is another great way to interact with people and make friends......just a thought 😛 (no offence meant)

Priest

Its not a board game, its a role playing game, similar in theory to the cyber tickling role plays one see online here. A group of people gather together and through their conversations and some dice roles create a world and a story. This is compleatly openended, which as mentioned leaves the possiblity for people to try and insert elements into the game which may be distasteful. Some topics are better reserved for adults. This could be both for the players (if some sick person wants to play a rapist) or a DM thing (Perhaps he wants to run a campign with a Law and Order: SVU theme, where the characters are trying to stop a predator from raping inocents. While this would be an exceptable game for older groups, this wouldn't be good for children.) That how I see the concept of rape becoming involved.
 
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