First openly Gay player picked in NFL Draft

[BBGuy5240]

But that is the thing, Tebow was never really given a chance to fail. But he was disliked and persecuted for his "Tebowing" and his open Christian stance. To say (Ticklefiend) Tebow should not use his position to talk about Christianity is ridiculous considering we are allowing a "gay" player to do whatever he wants in the media. You can't blast a gay player for kissing his boyfriend, but you can blast a guy talking about Christianity? Yeah, that's fair...

The Jets saw him everyday in Practice, and how you look in Practice carries over to your Playing Time. And again, look at how Poorly Mark Sanhez played, it was Damn Near Laughable. I'm sure they wanted to Bench him, but they didn't think Tebow would make much difference. Because they saw that he couldn't run their Offense, and that the Wildcat was a waste of time. And when Tebow was on the Field as QB, most of the time, there was Mass Confusion. False Starts, Delay of Game, having to Burn a Timeout because of the Play Clock. And when they got a Play Off, it was pretty much the same thing, so Defense knew what was coming. The Wildcat is supposed to confuse the Opponents, but all the Jets did was confuse themselves. And they realized, it was a Waste of Time. And they used Tebow as a Receiver & Punt Protector just for the sake of getting him on the Field.

My only issue with Tebow is the amount of time he spends talking about his Religion. I'm not saying don't talk about it at all, just pull it back some. Again, Kurt Warner (A very outspoken christian) even thought Tebow should Tone it down some.

Ever since Sam came out, unless he's been specifically asked about the Topic, he's hardly brought it up when talking to the Media. With Tebow, it was like every other Sentence was about his Religion.

Plus, when Tebow was Drafted by Denver, I don't recall any calls for Boycotts of the Broncos. And I certainly don't recall any Bill Proposals talking about Banning Deeply Devoted Christians from the NFL.

I'm not saying people can't talk about Sam, but I feel calls for a Boycott of the Rams, and talking about Banning him is a bit much.

 

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The Jets saw him everyday in Practice, and how you look in Practice carries over to your Playing Time. And again, look at how Poorly Mark Sanhez played, it was Damn Near Laughable. I'm sure they wanted to Bench him, but they didn't think Tebow would make much difference. Because they saw that he couldn't run their Offense, and that the Wildcat was a waste of time. And when Tebow was on the Field as QB, most of the time, there was Mass Confusion. False Starts, Delay of Game, having to Burn a Timeout because of the Play Clock. And when they got a Play Off, it was pretty much the same thing, so Defense knew what was coming. The Wildcat is supposed to confuse the Opponents, but all the Jets did was confuse themselves. And they realized, it was a Waste of Time. And they used Tebow as a Receiver & Punt Protector just for the sake of getting him on the Field.

My only issue with Tebow is the amount of time he spends talking about his Religion. I'm not saying don't talk about it at all, just pull it back some. Again, Kurt Warner (A very outspoken christian) even thought Tebow should Tone it down some.

Ever since Sam came out, unless he's been specifically asked about the Topic, he's hardly brought it up when talking to the Media. With Tebow, it was like every other Sentence was about his Religion.

Plus, when Tebow was Drafted by Denver, I don't recall any calls for Boycotts of the Broncos. And I certainly don't recall any Bill Proposals talking about Banning Deeply Devoted Christians from the NFL.

I'm not saying people can't talk about Sam, but I feel calls for a Boycott of the Rams, and talking about Banning him is a bit much.

But as you can tell by your own examples, it was ok to criticize Tebow and told to "tone it down", but let someone tell Michael Sam to "tone it down". ANYONE who criticized the kiss on ESPN of Sam and his boyfriend was quickly chastised and sent to "sensitivity training". But Tebow talks about Christianity and people can say whatever about him WITHOUT repercussions.

That is why I said even though Tebow has questionable QB skills, why is it ok to criticize him for speaking about Christianity, but not ok to criticize Sam for "coming out"? Where is the fairness?

 

[BBGuy5240]

But as you can tell by your own examples, it was ok to criticize Tebow and told to "tone it down", but let someone tell Michael Sam to "tone it down". ANYONE who criticized the kiss on ESPN of Sam and his boyfriend was quickly chastised and sent to "sensitivity training". But Tebow talks about Christianity and people can say whatever about him WITHOUT repercussions.

That is why I said even though Tebow has questionable QB skills, why is it ok to criticize him for speaking about Christianity, but not ok to criticize Sam for "coming out"? Where is the fairness?

I think it's more about how much you're saying it.

If someone who is Homosexual is just straight up flaunting it, then it should be ok to say it needs to be toned down some.

But all a person has to do is say the words "I'm Gay", and to many people, that's means that Homosexuality is being forced upon Society.

With Sam in this situation, it's not ok to say "Tone It Down", mainly because he's hasn't been as out there as Tebow was when it comes to his Religion. Like I said before, with Tebow is was like every other sentence was about Jesus. If Sam was the same way, and he just went on and on and on about his Sexuality, then I'd have some problems with it. Which is why I'm glad his show on Oprahs Network isn't gonna happen (Well it looks like it's not happening)

But unless he's been specifically asked, he has rarely brought up the topic.

Now when it comes to Criticizing Sam, I heard about the Player from the Dolphins. I think a big part of that was not the fact he was criticizing Sam, but it was the Dolphins trying to repair their Image. Look at what the Dolphins literally just went through with Martin/Incognito. The last thing that Franchise needs, is any kind of Drama. Because everyone is gonna be watching them.

And around that same time, their Center Mike Pouncey tweeted something about the Rookies that related to Hazing, and he was Disciplined by the Team also. Which is why I believe the incident with the other Player criticizing Sam was more about the Dolphins trying to repair their Image.

NFL Franchises in general over the past couple of years have been cracking down on what their Players post on Social Media.

It ok to Criticize, but it depends on how you do it. And many of his Criticisms were pretty harsh. Especially considering if it was a Female going into the WNBA, and she was kissing her Girlfriend the way Sam kissed his Boyfriend, people wouldn't be nearly as cruel.

 

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I think it's more about how much you're saying it.

If someone who is Homosexual is just straight up flaunting it, then it should be ok to say it needs to be toned down some.

But all a person has to do is say the words "I'm Gay", and to many people, that's means that Homosexuality is being forced upon Society.

With Sam in this situation, it's not ok to say "Tone It Down", mainly because he's hasn't been as out there as Tebow was when it comes to his Religion. Like I said before, with Tebow is was like every other sentence was about Jesus. If Sam was the same way, and he just went on and on and on about his Sexuality, then I'd have some problems with it. Which is why I'm glad his show on Oprahs Network isn't gonna happen (Well it looks like it's not happening)

But unless he's been specifically asked, he has rarely brought up the topic.

Now when it comes to Criticizing Sam, I heard about the Player from the Dolphins. I think a big part of that was not the fact he was criticizing Sam, but it was the Dolphins trying to repair their Image. Look at what the Dolphins literally just went through with Martin/Incognito. The last thing that Franchise needs, is any kind of Drama. Because everyone is gonna be watching them.

And around that same time, they're Center Mike Pouncey tweeted something about the Rookies that related to Hazing, and he was Disciplined by the Team also. Which is why I believe the above incident was more about the Dolphins and their Image.

It ok to Criticize, but it depends on how you do it. And many of his Criticisms were pretty harsh. Especially considering if it was a Female going into the WNBA, and she was kissing her Girlfriend the way Sam kissed his Boyfriend, people wouldn't be nearly as cruel.

But Tebow wasn't shoving his religion down anyone's throat. The media was always shoving their mics in his face hoping to coax him into reciting scripture. The media loves to build someone up just to tear them down.
And talk about in your face, Sam was on the cover of Sports Illustrated. That was a result of in your face media exposure just like Tebow's religious beliefs.

 

[BBGuy5240]

But Tebow wasn't shoving his religion down anyone's throat. The media was always shoving their mics in his face hoping to coax him into reciting scripture. The media loves to build someone up just to tear them down.
And talk about in your face, Sam was on the cover of Sports Illustrated. That was a result of in your face media exposure just like Tebow's religious beliefs.

You make a great point. That's what the Media Does. However even when the Media wasn't in his face, he would still say something about Religion in just about every other Sentence. And it's not like Reporters were asking many Religious related Questions. Which leads me back to Sam, unless he's Specifically asked about the Topic of his Sexuality, he has hardly talked about it.

My only criticisms of Sam were the show he was supposed to have on "OWN". He's nor the St Louis Rams need that.

His Kiss with his Boyfriend (Not the Kiss they shared when Sam got the Call from the Rams) the Kiss with the Cake Smearing that happened later. If it was a Man/Women, I wouldn't wanna see that either. But I didn't make a Big Deal out if it, I simply turned the channel when I saw it. People forget that they have that option, and that their TV is not their Personal Babysitter.

Another thing, I don't think he had a Great Combine. However I don't believe for a Second he's a nothing better than a Late 7th Round Pick, despite his Combine Performance. Not saying the Combine is Meaningless, but it doesn't define a player.

Vernon Gholston: Had one of the Best Combine Performances ever. Out of the League in 3 Years, one of the Biggest Busts in the past Decade.

Tom Brady: Had a very Poor Combine Performance. And he'll be one day putting on a Yellow Jacket, and getting his own Bust.

If Open Homosexuals in Sports was a common thing, it wouldn't be a Big Deal. But since he's the First in the NFL to be open while playing, it's a pretty big deal, and the media is gonna be all over it. But if more players came out before being drafted, and if Society was more Accepting, it wouldn't be that Big of a deal when it comes to the Media. Not saying Society isn't accepting at all, there were defiantly more Positive Responses than Negative ones, but if Legislations are drawn up talking about banning him, before he even plays, and there are even Calls of Boycotts of the Team that Drafted Him, we've still got a ways to go.

Guys with Criminal Records get drafted all the time. And I find it alarming that having a Criminal History is something that's more acceptable to a Team, than being Gay. I'd be more Concerned about a Guy coming to my Team that has a Criminal History, than a Guy that just finds Guys more attractive than Girls. Because Criminal Activities off the field, can & will keep a player from Contributing to the Team. (Justin Blackmon, and Josh Gordon for example).

Even Adam "Pacman" Jones when he was with the Titans & Cowboys. Granted he's cleaned up his act recently, but look at all the times he couldn't contribute during his Years in Tennessee & Dallas due to Suspensions because of Criminal Activity.

Since his Teammates at Mizzou knew about it before the 2013 NCAA Season ended, this is something that he probably wanted to be reveled to the Public by his doing. Instead of risking having it reveled by a Former Mizzou Teammate at some point down the road (Accidental or Purposely). Especially if it was revealed while he was already on an NFL Roster.


Many say Sam choosing to come out before being Drafted was for "Special Treatment", which isn't the case at all. I've said this before, if he was gonna come out, he had to do it before the Draft. If he didn't do it at that point, he was gonna have to wait until he was done with Football, or wait until he was a Free Agent like Jason Collins was when he came out. There was no way he could have done it while on a Roster. It would be 10xs more Controversial if he came out that way. I'm sure he knew that coming out at the time he did was gonna hurt him on Draft Day, but he picked the Lesser of Two Evils when he decided to reveal he was gay before the Draft.

And Training Camps & Preseason are right around the corner, so the Media Coverage is only gonna get bigger. I don't think any Football player, besides maybe T.O. or Chad Johnson/OchoCinco(Whatever you wanna call him), wants the Media in their Face 24/7

Now I know there's gonna be plenty of talk about his playing time, which he probably won't get much of in his first year. Not because he's gay, but because he's a Rookie, and because of the team that drafted him. He was drafted by a Team that has in my Opinion one of the Best, if not overall the Best Front 4 in the League.

 

[BBGuy5240]

And this is where you are wrong. Tim Tebow is a WINNING NFL quarterback. He started 16 NFL games (including two playoff games) and was 9-7. Remember when the Broncos started the 2012 season 1-4 and Tebow then stared? The Broncos went 7-4 made the playoffs, beat the Steelers and lost to the Pats. What are Tebow's statistics?

19 career TD passes, 9 career INTs, 12 rushing TDs. Keep this in mind Cowboy fan, Tebow has as many playoff wins as Tony Romo.

Back to the point, why was Tebow vilified? He was WINNING.

A Similar thing happened after the 2000 Season.

Trent Dilfer was Released by the Ravens. And what did he do in 2000? He just came of the Bench and helped them win a Championship.

He was Winning. As the Starter for the Ravens (Including Post-Season Play) he went 11-1. And those 11 Wins were Consecutive.

Why was he Released? He was Strictly a Game Manager, and the Ravens didn't think they could bank on that working Twice. And they tried to find someway to ignite their Passing Game. Which in 2000, wasn't very good.

While Winning is obviously important, when talking about a Quarterback being "The Guy", you have to take his Play into consideration.

Teams are always trying to Improve. The Ravens already had a Great Running Game, a Great Defense obviously, and even had Great Special Teams. So there wasn't much of a need to Upgrade those areas. But they could Upgrade the QB Position, and they brought in a guy they thought could lead the Offense better than Dilfer could.

Now this move didn't work out for either party (Dilfer or The Ravens).

Dilfer went on the play for 3 NFL Teams, never won another Playoff Game, and never even made it back to the playoffs.

The Ravens spent years trying to find a QB. Because the QB they dumped Dilfer for (Elvis Grbac), while he did have a Decent 2000 Season with the Kansas City Chiefs, he was no Peyton Manning. And he Retired from Football after the 2001 Season.

The Point is, while Tebow was winning, another Guy was available that had already had Huge NFL Success, and a Guy that could probably lead the Offense better than Tebow Could. And it's clear that they made the Correct Choice going with Peyton Manning as their Quarterback. Despite how Superbowl 48 Played Out.

 

[Sodahead]

And this is where you are wrong. Tim Tebow is a WINNING NFL quarterback. He started 16 NFL games (including two playoff games) and was 9-7. Remember when the Broncos started the 2012 season 1-4 and Tebow then stared? The Broncos went 7-4 made the playoffs, beat the Steelers and lost to the Pats. What are Tebow's statistics?

19 career TD passes, 9 career INTs, 12 rushing TDs. Keep this in mind Cowboy fan, Tebow has as many playoff wins as Tony Romo.

Back to the point, why was Tebow vilified? He was WINNING.

He had one good NFL season and was unanimously embraced by the media. And yes, his 2011 season was magical and brilliant and he deserved all the praise and fanfare he generated .

It wasn't until his QB rating went down that people turned on him.He had opportunities with both the Jets and the Patriots and was unable to preform at an NFL level with either team. His Christian Faith had nothing to do with it. Nor should it. He, like Sam, is entitled to believe and and be outspoken about whatever he wants. I'd hardly say he has been persecuted for his beliefs, at least not on a large scale. Before hiring him as an analyst in 2013, ESPN made this video go viral at Tebow's height....this hardly looks like a guy who's being persecuted

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[BBGuy5240]

He had one good NFL season and was unanimously embraced by the media. And yes, his 2011 season was magical and brilliant and he deserved all the praise and fanfare he generated .

It wasn't until his QB rating went down that people turned on him.He had opportunities with both the Jets and the Patriots and was unable to preform at an NFL level with either team. His Christian Faith had nothing to do with it. Nor should it. He, like Sam, is entitled to believe and and be outspoken about whatever he wants. I'd hardly say he has been persecuted for his beliefs, at least not on a large scale. Before hiring him as an analyst in 2013, ESPN made this video go viral at Tebow's height....this hardly looks like a guy who's being persecuted

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Also Tebow got his own Hour Long "2011: Season in Review" Special on NFL Network. And that was made and aired on TV, not only before the 2011 Season in general was over, but that aired before the Broncos Season was even over. That aired during the week before their Divisional Matchup with the Patriots.

I am Glad that show on "OWN" isn't happening though. That's the last thing Sam needs, and it's the last thing the Rams Organization needs.

Yes, Tebow had some hard critics. But it was mainly people telling him to "Tone it Down". But with Sam, it's that, and much more. Eventhough until his Speech at the ESPY's, he has hardly talked about the Topic of his Sexuality. So I don't believe it's fair to tell Sam to "Tone it Down"

There were legit talks about Banning him from Playing, Boycotts of the Team that Drafted Him, and Boycotts of Visa. (Sam Signed an Endorsement Deal with them)

I do not Recall anyone saying that Tebow should be Banned from Playing Football, and I do not Recall any calls for Boycotts of the Denver Broncos, or calls for Boycotts of Organizations that Tebow signed Endorsement Deals with.

 

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He had one good NFL season and was unanimously embraced by the media. And yes, his 2011 season was magical and brilliant and he deserved all the praise and fanfare he generated.

Tebow's 2011 Denver Broncos offense: Completion % - 46.49, Yards - 1730, TD/INT - 12/6, PPG - 15.69

Where exactly is the magic or brilliance in those numbers? Tebow also rushed for 660 yards and 6 TD's at 5.4 YPC. It doesn't inspire awe.

They had three blowout losses that year and one blowout win (against the Raiders). Tebow's point-per-game average held true in the three games they were blown out. The defense just couldn't save his ass.

They got lucky winning one playoff game and if Tebow were worth being on an NFL roster he would be. He probably will again in the future. But I doubt Bill Belichick is judging Tebow on anything other than what he could add to his team.

And people just need to get over the gay thing. Sam kissed his boyfriend on TV. OH LORD!! If you feel that deserves criticism you're an idiot and people need to know when they're being idiots. Tim Tebow's religion, on the other hand, is his choice. Actually it was his parents choice. But you get what I'm saying. His religion is his belief. Michael Sam's sexuality isn't a matter of a decision he made one day or that someone else made for him. You're born liking what you like and people who criticize gay people usually deserve what they get. And lets not forget that the NFL is a workplace. The NFL and the teams are responsible for making sure a safe and welcoming workplace exists and that's why it important to have players go through some type of session to talk about their homophobia. The end.