Giants choke

[fantastic8]

BelichicK is also credited with inventing the "spying on the other team with secret cameras" craze that led to every team in the league using methods such as this to get ahead as long as the team was called "the New England Patriots" and had a jackass for a coach, and a self absorbed prick for a qb.


Oh and Giants............AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

 

[jay t]

OK, this is giving me a headache. The defense Belichick ran in '86 was not the 3-4...it was a hybrid nickel package...I'm the biggest Belichick fan you're ever going to find but I can't give him credit for this.

ok bro the most notable was when the giants won the bowl in 1986 and they ran the 3-4 defense with lt blitzing from the outside

 

[studm883]

ok bro the most notable was when the giants won the bowl in 1986 and they ran the 3-4 defense with lt blitzing from the outside

Wow...no...they...didn't...they used...2 down lineman...4 linebackers...5 defensive backs...

let me say it again...2-4-5...the idea was not to let Buffalo throw down the field at the expense of letting them run the ball at will. That was the plan that landed in the hall of fame. Buy a ticket to Canton if you don't believe me because I am done with this thread...at least replying to your posts in it.

And if you have to be a wise-ass referring to people as "sweet pea" and "bro"...at least have the common decency to be right.

 

[jay t]

fuck u ****** im a giant fan i know u piece shit

 

[punkrockergirl]

5. 1986 Giants (61 letters)


I'm 33 and have been watching football regularly for the past 20 years. I didn't see first-hand the great defenses that were fielded in the 60s and 70s so I can't offer comment on them. But as far as the 16 game schedule goes, how could the '86 Giants not be on this list. I agree statistically other teams had better years, (an example is the 90 Giants which you have on the list).

But I remember watching the G-Men of '86 and they were being compared to da Bears of '85 as the most feared unit to ever play the game. That year nobody wanted to play the Giants. Also the NFC East was the toughest division in football that year. Also remember the playoffs that year, 49-3 over the 49ers and 17-0 over the 'Skins. In the Super Bowl they gave up 20 to Elway and the Broncs, 10 of which came in garbage time. The front seven in the 46 scheme was one of the best ever. If comparing defenses on a season by season basis is your goal here, you fumbled the ball (or maybe LT came from your blind-side & stripped the ball from you). Add the '86 Giants to your list.
Pete O'Daly Giants Beat writer
Brooklyn
need i say more

 

[makemlaugh2003]

Well, at least NOW I know that my SECOND favorite team will be in the Super Bowl:

Not The Giants

 

[jay t]

5. 1986 Giants (61 letters)


I'm 33 and have been watching football regularly for the past 20 years. I didn't see first-hand the great defenses that were fielded in the 60s and 70s so I can't offer comment on them. But as far as the 16 game schedule goes, how could the '86 Giants not be on this list. I agree statistically other teams had better years, (an example is the 90 Giants which you have on the list).

But I remember watching the G-Men of '86 and they were being compared to da Bears of '85 as the most feared unit to ever play the game. That year nobody wanted to play the Giants. Also the NFC East was the toughest division in football that year. Also remember the playoffs that year, 49-3 over the 49ers and 17-0 over the 'Skins. In the Super Bowl they gave up 20 to Elway and the Broncs, 10 of which came in garbage time. The front seven in the 46 scheme was one of the best ever. If comparing defenses on a season by season basis is your goal here, you fumbled the ball (or maybe LT came from your blind-side & stripped the ball from you). Add the '86 Giants to your list.
Pete O'Daly Giants Beat writer
Brooklyn
need i say more

wow thanks for that article and good luck to the steelers

 

[primetime]

Um, the 2-4-5 was NOT used in the 1986 SuperBowl. It was used in the 1991 Super Bowl when the Giants beat the Bills.

Dick Lebeau has been credited as the "father" of the 3-4 defense. Bill Belicheat used it, but who knows, maybe he stole it from someone else and tried to make it his own. Wouldn't surprise me...

 

[punkrockergirl]

Um, the 2-4-5 was NOT used in the 1986 SuperBowl. It was used in the 1991 Super Bowl when the Giants beat the Bills.

Dick Lebeau has been credited as the "father" of the 3-4 defense. Bill Belicheat used it, but who knows, maybe he stole it from someone else and tried to make it his own. Wouldn't surprise me...

thank you it doesnt seem to be getting through to this guy no matter how many people tell him

 

[studm883]

Um, the 2-4-5 was NOT used in the 1986 SuperBowl. It was used in the 1991 Super Bowl when the Giants beat the Bills.

Dick Lebeau has been credited as the "father" of the 3-4 defense. Bill Belicheat used it, but who knows, maybe he stole it from someone else and tried to make it his own. Wouldn't surprise me...

Yeah typo on my part, if you notice in the post I said Buffalo...

 

[jay t]

the only thing im finding is he was credited with the zone schemes and the god father of the hybrid 3-4 witch is a cross between 4-3

 

[punkrockergirl]

the only thing im finding is he was credited with the zone schemes and the god father of the hybrid 3-4 witch is a cross between 4-3

not even close... but anyway you seem to be the only person who doesnt know this as you can see no one is agreeing with you.. and its pretty convient that you cant find it but o well if you want to live in fantasy land where bellicheck created it you go right ahead

 

[jay t]

not even close... but anyway you seem to be the only person who doesnt know this as you can see no one is agreeing with you.. and its pretty convient that you cant find it but o well if you want to live in fantasy land where bellicheck created it you go right ahead

ok retard give me the site pleassssse give me the site until then shut your fucking trap no where does it say that no where the only thing i found was that hybrid shit its like taliking to a 2 year old

 

[jay t]

not even close... but anyway you seem to be the only person who doesnt know this as you can see no one is agreeing with you.. and its pretty convient that you cant find it but o well if you want to live in fantasy land where bellicheck created it you go right ahead

thats what i thought u made some shit up where is it

 

[punkrockergirl]

Dick LeBeau
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Dick LeBeau
Position(s):
Cornerback Jersey #(s):
44
Born: September 9, 1937 (1937-09-09) (age 71)
London, Ohio
Career information
Year(s): 1959–1972
NFL Draft: 1959 / Round: 5 / Pick: 58
College: Ohio State
Professional teams
As Player

Detroit Lions (1959-1972)
As Coach

Philadelphia Eagles (1973-1975)
Green Bay Packers (1976-1979)
Cincinnati Bengals (1980-1991)
Pittsburgh Steelers (1992-1996)
Cincinnati Bengals (1997-2002)
Buffalo Bills (2003)
Pittsburgh Steelers (2004-present)

Career stats
INT 62
INT yards 762
Touchdowns 3
Stats at NFL.com
Career highlights and awards
1957 NCAA National Champion
3x Pro Bowl selection (1964, 1965, 1966)
Super Bowl XL victory (2005)
2 AFC Championship victories (1995, 2005)

Charles Richard "Dick" LeBeau (born September 9, 1937 in London, Ohio) is a former football player and is currently the Pittsburgh Steelers defensive coordinator.

Contents [hide]
1 Playing career
2 Coaching career
3 Personal life
4 Eternal Links



[edit] Playing career
LeBeau attended Ohio State University, playing for famed coach Woody Hayes, and was on the 1957 national championship team, playing at cornerback and halfback. Also in 1957, playing both sides of the ball, he scored two touchdowns as Ohio State came back to beat Michigan 31-14.

He was initially drafted in the fifth round in 1959 by the Cleveland Browns but was cut from their team, and was signed as a rookie free agent by the Detroit Lions. He spent his entire 14 year NFL career with them as a defensive back, teamed during the early part of that run with Dick "Night Train" Lane and Yale Lary, and later with Lem Barney. He was a Pro Bowl selection in 1965 through 1967. He was a leading interceptor, with 62 career interceptions for 762 return yards and 3 touchdowns, and holds the NFL record for consecutive game appearances for a cornerback with 171. He also recovered 9 fumbles, returning them for 53 yards and a touchdown.


[edit] Coaching career
After retirement as a player, LeBeau became an NFL coach. The following teams hired him as an assistant:

Philadelphia Eagles (1973-1975)
Green Bay Packers (1976-1979)
Cincinnati Bengals (1980-1991), (1997-2002) - Won 1981 and 1988 AFC Championships and 3 AFC Central Division Championships (1981, 1988 and 1990)
Pittsburgh Steelers (1992-1996), (2004-present) - Won 4 AFC Central Division Championships (1992 and 1994-96), 3 AFC North Division Championships (2004, 2007 and 2008), 2 AFC Championships (1995 and 2005) and Super Bowl XL
Buffalo Bills (2003)
Also, LeBeau was the head coach of the following teams:

Cincinnati Bengals for three seasons, from 2000 through 2002.
As an assistant coach he is credited with inventing the "Fire Zone" or "zone blitz" defense, which employs unpredictable pass rushes and pass coverage from various players. His defenses typically employ 3-4 sets, with any of the 4 linebackers and frequently a defensive back among the pass rushers, while defensive linemen may drop back into short pass coverage zones to compensate for the pass rush coming from other positions. The design is intended to confuse the opposition's quarterback and frustrate its blocking schemes, as the offense may be unsure on each play of which defenders will rush the passer and which will drop into coverage. While often described as a "blitzing" scheme (implying more than the typical number of four pass rushers used by most defenses), the call on any particular "zone blitz" play may involve only three or four pass rushers but from unpredictable positions and angles. Although widely considered a defensive innovator, his stint as the head coach of the Cincinnati Bengals was unsuccessful.

LeBeau is beloved among his players, many of whom refer to him as "Coach Dad." The Steelers players have given him many gifts, including a Rolex watch. Dick is the father of the 3-4 defensive scheme, Bud Wilkinson created it in the 1940's at the university of Oklahoma. Dick then took that rough draft of the 3-4 and added several schemes and dementions to it and it came out to what the 3-4 is today




there you go

 

[Lonestar327]

Dont feel so good do it Giants fans?

Yeah you had everything lined up for you, you got rid of a major distraction, the number one seed and you had the Eagles, a team that couldn't be the Bengals, come in and do you in your own house.

Now I do know that you still have your great run of last year, and I still give you the respect you deserve for it, but much like everyone's taken shots at the Cowboys this year, please allow me to get my shots in on the supposed best team in the NFC, no wait, Im sorry, a team in the NFC.

 

[Cy/MiG]

but sometimes in losses , weaknesses show their ugly heads

Look, everybody knows that PIT's weaknesses are as follows:

1. Offensive Line
2. Big Ben and his decisions under pressure (usually leading to TO's)
3. Special Teams (Punting and coverage)
4. Lack of the 'big play' on offense (due to injuries and conservative calling)

And that is about it.

We played San Diego. They have a good offense and weapons. They were on a roll.

They scored 24 (vs a rested and 'off their game' PIT) and lost.

Baltimore scored 13 vs. the Titans, who are similar to PIT.

In their two meetings, PIT won both by an average of 18-14.

I don't expect the Ravens to throw deep with a rook QB and no good WR's (Mason and Heap?! )

Expect a 17-13 final, no matter who wins.

Maybe 20-17.

And don't overlook OT.

And don't expect rookie Flacco to go deep vs a more honed in D @ home.

End of story.

 

[WayTooD]

Look, everybody knows that PIT's weaknesses are as follows:

1. Offensive Line
2. Big Ben and his decisions under pressure (usually leading to TO's)
3. Special Teams (Punting and coverage)
4. Lack of the 'big play' on offense (due to injuries and conservative calling)

And that is about it.

We played San Diego. They have a good offense and weapons. They were on a roll.

They scored 24 (vs a rested and 'off their game' PIT) and lost.

Baltimore scored 13 vs. the Titans, who are similar to PIT.

In their two meetings, PIT won both by an average of 18-14.

I don't expect the Ravens to throw deep with a rook QB and no good WR's (Mason and Heap?! )

Expect a 17-13 final, no matter who wins.

Maybe 20-17.

And don't overlook OT.

And don't expect rookie Flacco to go deep vs a more honed in D @ home.

End of story.

I can take the repeated knocks and slights of steeler's fans, and it's true Todd Heap has had an off year. But, come on, don't disrespect Mason. The guy has got a sound body of work and has done about the last half of it this year with one arm.

Actually strike the part about Heap too. The only reason he hasn't shown up more this year is because Cam has him blocking a lot to protect the rookie.

 

[tommytikl]

First, Woo Hoo to the Eagles!
Great win over the Giants. Giants made too many mistakes and didn't capitalize when they had chances.


I think both Championship games with be just awesome.

Two great defenses playing each other in the AFC, the difference will be how each teams offense plays. Should be awesome!

And Arizona and the Eagles, a true battle of the Birds!
The Eagles offense is going to have to keep up with the Arizona Offense, unless the Birds D, comes up with some great stops again.
Totally different game from the Giants game. This game is all about stopping a crazy passing game.

And umm, Jake...try throwing to your own team!!! Wow, did he suck on Saturday!

 

[FlockOfSeagulls]

did u look it up

you were so wrong , deal with it

 

[primetime]

Too funny.... I decided to actually look up the 3-4 defense in google. Guess what? It was invented by Bud Wilkenson at the University of Oklahoma in the 1940's. So he is the "FATHER" of the 3-4 defense.

Dick Lebeau is credited with the invention of the "ZONE BLITZ" defense. That is a variation of the 3-4. punkrockergirl even posted that with Lebeau's bio.

So, we now know that Dick Lebeau is NOT the father of the 3-4, neither is Bill Belichick. (Why do I feel like Maury Povich?)

Everyone happy? No one was right.

 

[punkrockergirl]

Too funny.... I decided to actually look up the 3-4 defense in google. Guess what? It was invented by Bud Wilkenson at the University of Oklahoma in the 1940's. So he is the "FATHER" of the 3-4 defense.

Dick Lebeau is credited with the invention of the "ZONE BLITZ" defense. That is a variation of the 3-4. punkrockergirl even posted that with Lebeau's bio.

So, we now know that Dick Lebeau is NOT the father of the 3-4, neither is Bill Belichick. (Why do I feel like Maury Povich?)

Everyone happy? No one was right.

lol if you look back i said that.. hence being called the oklahoma defense.. but dick is the father of the modern 3-4 and is credited as so

 

[primetime]

He is the father of the zone blitz, not the 3-4 defense. It is just a scheme within the 3-4. Like when Buddy Ryan came up with the "46", it was a variation of the 4-3.

The zone blitz is a hell of a scheme, but you can't really call him the "father" of the 3-4. Call him the "father" of the zone blitz. That fits better.

 

[punkrockergirl]

He is the father of the zone blitz, not the 3-4 defense. It is just a scheme within the 3-4. Like when Buddy Ryan came up with the "46", it was a variation of the 4-3.

The zone blitz is a hell of a scheme, but you can't really call him the "father" of the 3-4. Call him the "father" of the zone blitz. That fits better.

i personally dont call anyone in football the father of anything lol.. i was just stating to jay i think it was that around football lebeau is known as the father of the modern 3-4 (not my words) and not bellicheat.. i dont think anyone in football should be the father of anything seeing as someone always puts their own twist on things so in retrospect mike tomlin or jim harbaugh or any of the coaches could be called the father of their offense.. if that makes sense

 

[primetime]

It definitely wasn't Bill Belicheat. Lebeau is a great defensive coordinator though. The zone blitz is widely used by a lot of teams, so being called the "father" of the zone blitz fits. "Father" of the 3-4 seems like a stretch.

Man, too bad Lebeau will be home watching the SuperBowl. Ravens win.