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Good news and bad news for Rap "artists"....

Thanks for that most revealing post Primetime, well and truly hoisted by your own petard.
 
you're very welcome.....

I hope one day in the far far future, when you finally leave this Earth, that somewhere in the afterlife, you are seated next to 2pac and Notorious BIG and they sing wonderful rap music to you to soothe your aching soul.....
 
Not a chance me old china! I will be sitting on my cloud chatting with the true greats of American music, like Charlie Parker, Miles, Bill Evans, Ellington, Trane and many more.

Well done for managing to post without resorting to personal abuse, its going to destroy your street cred for a while I suppose, but jolly well done all the same!
 
apacer3 said:
Not all rap is mindless dribble about "hos" and "bitches." Look past stuff on MTV and there is some great rap music.

Like...
The Roots
Talib Kwalie
Mos Def
Del tha Funkee Homosapien
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Well...therein lies part of the issue....

Some here who would spit flames if I ignorantly stated that I "hate jazz" because of the pansy romantic tunes of Kenny G, have no problem showing their own ignorance by disparaging all of rap because of the violent, mysoginistic lyrics of some idiot rap artists....

No problem pulling out the "broad brush" when its not your preferred genre of music you are disparaging...... :illogical
 
anyone else reading this thread getting that sense of "deja vu"?
 
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In my opinion the majority of every genre of music sucks.

The majority of rap sucks. The majority of metal sucks. Etc.

The only difference is if you like rap then the sucky rap is more tolerable to you than sucky metal and vice versa for a metal guy.

The thing is rap is the most popular music right now, so it's getting hated on because the majority of every genre of music sucks, including rap.
 
I want to thank Pime Time for his posting. Though hip hop music is not somthing that came along in my youth I can understand his sentiment as you really dont see anyone starting a thread on how they hate metal or punk or simply rock music and there is a cultural double standard it seems.
And yes its true not all hip hop is vulgur. One the other hand I think lots of adults are simply weary when they walk down a city street and hear some of the most vile vulgar filth blasting out of some kids SUV. And well lets face it people with limited acces to this style of music may can or will get a general wrong impression. It reminds them of why they moved to the suburbs in the first place or why they dont want their kids traveling to some inner city neighborhoods. It brings up lots of deep seated fears and even a hatred for a culture they have very little understanding about. And even in the community where it comes from it reminds older people of the disfunction and devestation they see everyday on their way to work. Though all the music is not like this all it takes is hearing somthing one time coming out of a car radio that would normally rub any decent person the wrong way.
Hey I wont lie, I do think their are elements of the rap communtiy that needs to to clean their act up. But its also the corporate powers that be who are well outside the community who need to do so also. The very powers who encourage these young people to record songs full of violence vulgarity and mysogyny.
 
brianspencer66 said:
I want to thank Pime Time for his posting. Though hip hop music is not somthing that came along in my youth I can understand his sentiment as you really dont see anyone starting a thread on how they hate metal or punk or simply rock music and there is a cultural double standard it seems.
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There's no cultural double-standard. People hate punk music just as much as they hate rap music, in fact I know a lot of people who hate punk music just because it has associations with the "counter-culture", whatever the fuck that means, but who after listening to it for a while find out that they actually quite like it. Nobody hates rock music because it's impossible to hate.
 
Headsnap said:
Nobody hates rock music because it's impossible to hate.
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Oh, yeah?
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Christ almighty featherfingers............I think you have a point........that was truely horrific. We should be playing stuff like this over a tannoy system to the Taliban is Afghanistan, they would come out with their hands up, sorry, no, with their hands over their ears.

Ok, I'm buying it, I would sooner listen to rap than that.

Kenny who?
 
"de ja vu".....nope, never had it. I often get the other thing though, "vu ja de"....thats when you walk in a room and know for a fact you have never been there before, its really most disconcerting.
 
For those of you who are in the "Rap Taliban" I suggest you look up the word "Forum" in the OED (or Websters....if you must, a far inferior product) and remind yourselves what it means.

Those of you who suggest I may turn out to be as thin skinned as the Rap Taliban if MY musical tastes were assualted so effectively, go ahead, be my guest . I am looking forward to your witty, urbane, educated, withering putdowns. Sadly, as jazz is not forced down everyones throat on a daily basis, it may take you some time to find out what it is.
 
All sounds like rap to me Cosmo.....wait hang on....is this a trick question?.....dont tell me one of the tracks is from a long lost Stan Getz album right?
 
bugman said:
rock&roll died years ago.....
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Yes, like disco and probably other styles.
Every type of music has to decline in popularity sometime, and FINALLY rap is going down. Finally.

Rap was, at one time, not as bad. But after so many years when much of it became about drugs, gangs, and hoes, well people want to hear that only so long.

So what is going to be popular for the next 10 or so years?
 
.All sounds like rap to me Cosmo.....wait hang on....is this a trick question?.....dont tell me one of the tracks is from a long lost Stan Getz album right?
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Yes red, it is rap. Did you like it? And if not, was their any particuler reason, or do you simply hate all rap period?
 
Yes indeed Cosmo I hate all rap "period" as you put it, seems impossible that you could not have picked that up by now! I hate it in the same way as I hate all forms of venerial desease.
 
that fact that earlier you meantioned things like calling women bitches and ho's and other such things allong with gangland violence and such made me assume that those were the things you hated about rap. So i thought some rap music that didn;t really meanton those things (Admittedly the second does but it does so in a non-derogitory way) might make you realise their is some pretty decent rap out their. Seems i was mistaken, but to each their own.
 
I take your point Cosmo but any one who pretends that rap is not primarilly known for the celebration of violence, gangland culture,and the abuse of women is not being realistic.
 
Headsnap said:
There's no cultural double-standard. People hate punk music just as much as they hate rap music, in fact I know a lot of people who hate punk music just because it has associations with the "counter-culture", whatever the fuck that means, but who after listening to it for a while find out that they actually quite like it. Nobody hates rock music because it's impossible to hate.
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Granted people hate punk music ok. but point out a single thread in here where one has stated that ok? Ive seen at least 2 where hip hop music was the focal point and yes to me that is double standard. its sort of like in the 70s where people went out of their way do declare that "disco sucks" and well disco was really just an off shoot of 60s R and B with a heavy dance beat.
 
I take your point Cosmo but any one who pretends that rap is not primarilly known for the celebration of violence, gangland culture,and the abuse of women is not being realistic.
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Certainly it makes up the majority that i've heard, but there is still much more that doesn't glorify such things. One shouldn't lampoon all rap simply because one doesn;t agree with a type of rap. Rap is a style of music, not a style of life. It's important to make the distinction.
 
anyone else reading this thread getting that sense of "deja vu"?
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And I was just recovering from the deja vu I was experiencing on another thread in Tickling discussion.

My suggestion to hip hop fans is to just not respond. It is the same few individuals with the same remarks every time. And every time they type something, and you respond it just gets worse and more out of control. If you are new and/ or dont believe me, do a quick search and you will find countless threads like this.

Just let people say what they feel. It doesnt make the music any worse simply because a handful of people at a fetish website do not enjoy it..or even if all 49,999 of them dont like it and you are the only one. It doesnt matter. Its not going anywhere. The person who started this thread read an article, and decided to post it and take a few jabs here and there. The genre will not be shutdown; that threat has been going on since I bought my first hip hop tape in the mid 80's....and now the genre's winning best Soundtrack Academy awards. So its presence is definitely here, and likely will not be going anywhere any time soon.

Another reason I wouldnt respond is because, frankly, hip hop fans can be shit on in here and no one would care. If you dont believe me, I reference my first paragraph (do a quick search). The most immature dribble that breaks the "Golden Rule" code can be said in a personal attack in one of these threads, and it will go by without so much as a raised eyebrow. As someone already mentioned, this thread appears about once every 3 months, and it always go down the same. Hip hop fans get pissed and shit on for multiple pages, and then the thread drops to page two of this forum and it gets buried. The mods dont appear to mind, the members for the most part dont care, and the hip hop fans get to wait around a few months for the next scat storm. Why put yourself through the silliness...

My suggestions...just ignore it. If your favorite hip hop artist dies, dont post a RIP thread in here. You like a new album or song...dont mention it here. Pretend it doesnt exist. Then, when a thread like this gets started, everyone can fling there insults around to each other, it goes 6 posts instead of 6 pages, and another pressing subject will come up. It really is that easy. How about sharing how much you enjoy the music at a hip hop message board? PM each other. Anything else but arguing here...because its senseless and pointless. Its a battle that isnt worth waging....not on a fetish board. Hell, dont even respond to my post. Let it end right here; dont even post in here that you agree with me. I mean, if people think they can shutdown hip hop (or any other form of expression) by flexing nuts in here at the TMF, then let them think it.
 
I feel you dajerx, but for the same reason imbeciles spout off about rap/hip hop, fans have the right to defend the genre as well. The sad thing is, most of these people who dislike rap/hip hop probably do not realize that they are essentially insulting millions of people and calling them stupid. I will try to avoid racial overtones, let's just say they insult an entire culture by saying that "rap is not music".

There's a lot of rap I do not like, but there is some artists that I really like and have a LOT of talent. A friend of mine even remarked that a lot of rap artists today do not write their own rhymes, unlike the "good ol' days" when a lot of artists had the ability to freestyle. Artists from the 80's and early 90's were tremendous talents and they should be recognized as such.

It does get annoying when people are going to insult an entire music genre on a whim. It is disrespectful when a person wants to start a thread about a deceased rap artist, only to have the thread ripped to shreds because a few ignorant assholes want to chime in their opinion. I do not see this kind of behavior whenever a "non-rap" artist passes away, or any other celebrity. Whatever happened to respect? Why should hip hop fans have to stay silent about something we love, yet i see countless threads about stuff that really I could care less about. They have a right to voice what they like, so do we. But, unlike those other pointless threads, you dont see a gang of people ripping down someone's likes.

It's like M/M threads. Dammit, if you do not like M/M stuff, why bother opening the thread and voicing your opinion that you do not like it? There are all kinds of tickling that people like, but just because it doesnt fit what certain people like, they go out of their way to insult it. M/M isnt my thing, but why should I go into those threads and insult the people who do like it? You know why i dont? I am not an ass. It is just plain mean to rip people for stuff they like, if what they like isnt causing any personal harm. If i like rap, i should be able to enjoy it, just like people who like M/M should be able to enjoy what they like without a bunch of ignorant people chastising them. It really is sad.

That is why i posted what i posted earlier in this thread. If you hate rap, fine, but why make a damn thread about it? Why not make a thread about something else more relevant in your life? Respect people, respect.
 
It took longer than I expected for the cheap race card to be played by someone. I know you would love to pin the racist tag on me to shut down any debate Primetime, but if you have read my posts then you will know that is cearly absurd in my case.

The fact that millions of people might like a particular form of music is no reason to try to prevent me speaking out against it. That sounds a rather Stalinist attitude to me.

By all means feel free to dissagree with me and tell me where I am going wrong, I have no problem with that, but are you and others in the TMF rap Taliban incapable of posting on this subject without resorting to personal abuse and foul language?

The fact that you cant do this, and are fervent supporters of the genre, seems rather to prove my point about this type of "music".

What you seem to be saying is you dont like anyone taking a contrary view to your own about rap because YOU like it. Do you apply this rule to all aspects of life? it must be very hard work spending all your time trying to stop the world dissagreeing with you.
 
Red, i ALREADY know you could give a rat's ass about race. I know you are not about race. But let me give you a perspective about something and hopefully you can understand. I am an African-American and when I see comments from other posters that rap music "isn't music", it is insulting. Rap was primarily created by African Americans and now there's a bunch of people claiming that it takes no talent to be a rapper and it is not music. So, the music my ethnicity created is not music and we have no talent. You're probably saying "that's not what i mean", but in a sense, you are saying that. Why do you think us "rap Taliban" get more and more hostile whenever rap music is constantly being blasted on this forum?

Just because certain people do not like rap music, why is there a constant stream of threads blasting the genre? You do not see this kind of hostility with any other form of music. Do you? No. That is why i get more and more upset when i see these rap threads go on and on blasting the rap artists. A rap artist dies and all we see are mean, disrespectful comments such as "good riddance" and "one down, more to go". What have you been saying in this thread Red? Remember the comment you said after someone wrote "How long till rappers start to pull a metallica and complain that downloading is killing them"? You wrote "Wow! could it really kill them?? that would be great!". Do you really want to see these artists die? What did they ever do to you that you would enjoy seeing them die? Are ALL rap artists out there killing people? NO. Are ALL rap artists out there raping women or kids? NO. Are ANY rap artists causing you or your family personal harm? NO. Yet, you would enjoy them dying. Yeah Red, and you wonder why it gets to be insulting.

Your lack of respect for people is what pisses me off. Others with the same viewpoints as yours piss me off because you are taking a few bad apples who have committed heinous crimes and labeling ALL of rap as something horrific. This is insulting to all those who enjoy the music. Rap artists DO have talent. What they perform IS music. Learn to respect other people's tastes. You say you have the right to disagree with rap, well it is within my full right to disagree with you and decide to throw it back in your face with a lot of passion. I do not like ALL rap music, but i like the genre and for ignorant people to criticize the music, enough is enough. Just hate rap in your own little world. If a rap fan wants to start a positive thread about rap, STAY OUT OF IT. If you want to criticize, then you better believe that you will get passionate responses to your ignorance. Understand?
 
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