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HELP! I'm in a rut!!

phatteus

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So I have a friend, and we are close and we always have something to talk about.(we're both guys.. no romance here, just a good friendship) Recently, though, all of our discussions have been about, or regarding the Universe of J.R.R. Tolkein. Not the Lord of the Rings trilogy, mind you, but all the stuff that happens around the trilogy, such as the events of the Silmarillion, which I am reading, and the unfinished tales, which he is reading. WE NEED SOMETHING ELSE TO DISCUSS! It's geting to be old hat, and I am worried that we may go into total Geek overload if this trend continues! I just found out that Eowyn eventually marries Faramir, and that Eomir takes over rule of Gondor and it BLEW MY MIND! Not to mention the revelation that the name Celeborn isn't pronounced "Sell-a-born" but rather "Kell-a-born" I've been saying the wrong names all over the place!! I need help, people. I need an intervention.

I just wanted to let you all know. Moderators feel free to move this to the Humor forum if you think my dark humor isn't nearly dark enough for the General Discussion.
 
Bored of the Rings...

Two words, phat-boy: Star Wars!!

May be the farce be with you...

Cheers.😀
 
One minor thing has always bugged about the Lord of the Rings trilogy ever since I read it. A hobbithole in the plotline perhaps. If Mount Doom in Mordor was the only place in Middle Earth that the One Ring could be unmade why the heck didn't Sauron post a sizable Orc garrison to the entrance to the Crack of Doom? Or a least slap on a gate and a lock.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't Aragorn become the King of Gondor? Eomer becomes the ruler of Rohan, if memory serves.

As for your question on Mt Doom, I would say there are two reasons Sauron doesn't "plug it up." First, the entire realm of Morder is surrounded by impassable mountains. There are only two entrances: The Black Gate which is very heavily guarded (more to keep people in than out, I suspect) and Cirith Ungol which is guarded by the giant spider, Shelob.

The second reason is that Sauron regards the One Ring is the most valuable piece of Jewelry in Middle Earth, priceless beyond comparison. His greatest fear was to wonder who might show up at his doorstep wielding it, and how he might survive. That anybody would want to destroy such a powerful heirloom never once entered his mind, until Frodo puts the Ring on at the edge of the Crack of Doom. At that point, it was probably a good thing for Sauron he was a disembodied spirit for had he been a physical being he surely would have soiled himself.
 

So I have a friend, and we are close and we always have something to talk about.(we're both guys.. no romance here, just a good friendship)

Yeah yeah, sure, we know. That's a different forum, anyway!

Well, pal, you could take what you already know and just go in a different direction. For example, for years I was a Dungeons & Dragons player. Then, when I started learning more about the world of Middle Earth I realized just how ding-dang much Gary Gygax stole (or borrowed) from Tolkein in forming his game! Why don't they just call it "Tolkein's Dungeons and Dragons"? Huh? Huh?

Now, you have your nerd foundation material in place, like the mighty living soil of Gigantor; now you can us that to follow along this new course of discussion, comparing and contrasting the Gygax and Tolkein worlds - and improving upon them both with your own original and homoerotic ideas - as if you were building the walls of the great Castle Spengo or wherever Hobbits retire to.

Yes! Eugene Levy wins the New York Film Critics award for Best Supporting Actor in "A Mighty Wind"! Hey, wha' hoppen???
 
drew70 said:
As for your question on Mt Doom, I would say there are two reasons Sauron doesn't "plug it up." First, the entire realm of Morder is surrounded by impassable mountains. There are only two entrances: The Black Gate which is very heavily guarded (more to keep people in than out, I suspect) and Cirith Ungol which is guarded by the giant spider, Shelob.

The second reason is that Sauron regards the One Ring is the most valuable piece of Jewelry in Middle Earth, priceless beyond comparison. His greatest fear was to wonder who might show up at his doorstep wielding it, and how he might survive. That anybody would want to destroy such a powerful heirloom never once entered his mind, until Frodo puts the Ring on at the edge of the Crack of Doom. At that point, it was probably a good thing for Sauron he was a disembodied spirit for had he been a physical being he surely would have soiled himself.

Thanks Drew...that one had bugged me for a while in what was otherwise a fine (albeit long) yarn. 🙂
 
bowler-hat-man, I nerver played D&D, so I can't dig the analogy.
And yes, Drew, Eomir takes over Rohan... Faramir takes over Gondor, and Aragorn Elessar becomes king of Men. That was a minor typing error on my part.
I had the same thought about the convenient little door in the side of the mountain of fire. I have to agree that Sauron never even conceived of anyone destroying The One Ring. Sauron knew that the Elves wanted nothing to do with the Ring. The Dwarves were considered too dumb by Sauron to know what the Hell to do with the Ring. The only other possibility for the fate of the Ring was the race of Men; and Sauron knew that the weakness of Men is the everlasting desire for power. A Man would never dream of destroying the One Ring. The singular power of The One Ring is its binding of itself to its owner: a power which grows with intensity as time passes. The bearer of The One Ring CANNOT part with it. We see Gollum turn to putty, and seeknig the ring even years after parting with it. We see Isildur pretty much getting himself killed just trying to hold onto The Ring. Only the Hobbits are affected to a lesser degree. Bilbo reluctantly gives up the Ring... reluctantly, but he gives it up nonetheless. Frodo is taken so quickly only because the Ring speeds up the process. The Ring knows what Frodo intends to do to It, so It binds itself to him more rapidly than it did with Bilbo, so that Frodo's Ringlust was equal to Gollum's in a minute fraction of the time.
The interesting point to mention here is that Sauron did not know anything about the existence of Hobbits! In fact, most inhabitants of Middle Earth appear to be confused by the concept of a Hobbit. Gandalf: The Grey Elf / Mithrandir / Gandalf Stormcrow, whatever you like to call him, was pivitol in the creation of the Hobbit. The Wizards are Maiar, just like Sauron (The Maiar of Tolkien's Universe are like Demigods to the Titan-like Valar) Each Wizard was sent to Middle Earth to generate a new species in order to counteract the will of Sauron. The Blue Wizards (who are not named) travel to the East and create the Harradim and the Corsairs. Saruman the White takes his dear sweet time and eventually comes up with the Uruk-Hai. Gandalf, in a strange twist, comes along and creates the Hobbits of the Shire. Strange that the smallest, most unassuming species is eventually the savior of Middle Earth. Sauron is aware of the other new races, because the blue and white wizards turnedto dark magic and bound their armies to Sauron! Only Gandalf, who know his place, kept his project secretive and bade the Hobbits stay in the Shire, only to leave for the purposes of trading, and only then to the village of Bree.
Had Sauron been aware of the existence of Hobbits, he might have had more luck with the fantastic clue he was given: "Shire! Baggins!" But neither he nor the Nasgul had any clue what the Shire was, nor who Baggins was, giving the four hobbits ample time to escape the Shire and meet up with Strider the Ranger.
Why waste time blocking up that door? No one is going to come and toss The Ring in there. Besides, Shelob would be able to nab whomever it was that tried to get in anyhow!
Wow, Maybe I should start playing Dungeons and Dragons...
 
Phat man, we're here to help you! Go back and read your last post. You're doing it again! Stop it!!!

BTW, don't worry about playing D and D. If you ever venture into a game store or well stocked book store, just read through some of the manuals. Don't even buy them, just LOOK at them and you'll see how much of a rip-off, or homage, of the Tolkein world they are (with a little King Arthur mixed in). But, having said that, with your Tolkein interest and knowledge it might be a great way for you to spend a Saturday afternoon when there's no ticklin' to be had.
 
Thanks OJ, I really need help. Maybe there's a Tolkien support group out there somewhere.

"Hi, my name is Phatteus, and I think the Dwarves were very underused in Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings" trilogy."

By the way, does anyone else think that Jackson should make a live action, big budget version of "The Hobbit"? I think it'd be great! Plus, this being the age of "prequels" (despite the fact that "The Hobbit" was written before "The Lord of the Rings" was even conceived...)

As for D&D, a Saturday afternoon, when there's no ticklin' to be had.... well, that's a typical Saturday afternoon for me! (Yes, I am am very sad person!)

Laters
 
He has stated an interest......

BERLIN (Reuters) - New Zealand film director Peter Jackson (news), tipped to win an Oscar for his "The Lord of the Rings" epic, said Monday he would like to make "The Hobbit" prequel to the trilogy and work with some of the same actors again.

Speaking to journalists in Berlin ahead of the European premiere of the last part of the "Rings" trilogy -- "The Return of the King" -- Jackson said he was sad but also relieved that the mammoth project he has worked on for seven years was over.

"I'm glad there's not a fourth Lord of the Rings film next year," he said. "I feel very tired and exhausted."

"I've been working very hard this year. It was the hardest year of the whole seven really," he said, adding that the last part had twice as many computer-generated shots as the second, "The Two Towers," which won an Oscar for digital effects.

"It's my favorite because it has a stronger emotional depth than the other two films, it has a sense of closure," he said.

Despite his exhaustion, Jackson is not resting on his laurels and said if complex rights issues can be resolved he would like to direct "The Hobbit," J.R.R. Tolkien's prequel to the "Rings" trilogy set some 50 years earlier.

"I'd be interested in doing it because I think it would give continuity to the overall chapter," he said.


While many of the lead "Rings" characters do not appear in "The Hobbit" story, the wizard Gandalf, played by Ian McKellen (news), and Gollum, the cave dweller corrupted by the powerful ring, do and should make a comeback. Arwen, the elf princess played by Liv Tyler (news), could also feature again, Jackson said.
 
Thanks Fairfeatherer. Unfortunately, Jackson is still just mulling over the idea. There would be a tremendous and arduous task involved in securing the rights to such a fortuitous project.

Once again, the fourth estate has the facts straight, but misses the point entirely. (Paraphrased from the Simpsons) "The Hobbit" is not a prequel to the Lord of the Rings. Tolkien wrote "The Hobbit" at the same time that C.S. Lewis, his best friend, was writing "The Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe." They allegedly were writing the stories that they thought had never been written before. In the original draft of Tolkein's first book, Bilbo Baggins goes on a nice trip with Gandalf, some Dwarves and Men in order to reclaim a treasure that Smog the dragon had stolen. Upon reaching the Misty Mountains, Bilbo encounters Gollum, who gives Bilbo a series of tests, at the end of which he gives Bilbo his precious ring.
After writing this, his publishers demanded a sequel to The Hobbit, upon which Tolkein came up with The Lord of the Rings. This project prompted him to rewrite the end of the Hobbit, to indicate that Gollum does not give the ring up freely, but rather is anguished at losing it.
The Hobbit is a prequel to The Lord of the Rings only if Jackson makes the film, thereby making the film version of The Hobbit a prequel to the film version of The Lord of the Rings. Tolkien's Lord of the Rings is a SEQUEL to The Hobbit. To say that Tolkein's The Hobbit is a prequel to The Lord of the Rings is like saying that "Speed" is a prequel to "Speed 2: Cruise Control" which we all know is not the case.... I think... I never saw Speed 2.
 
Not to pigeonhole the guy a la George Lucas, but if Peter Jackson does do The Hobbit it might be interesting to see him tackle Tolkein's other Middle Earth writings.

D'oh! Now I'm doing it!!
 
now I'm converting them!

Welcome to the Club, hat-tosser. You are welcome to join us at lunch tomorrow. Regular-people lunch occurs at 11:45.

Please bring a number two pencil and a Silmaril.
 
When I was on ship a few months ago, if me, or any of my friends got out of hand with nerd references, when we were playing D&D, Magic: the Gathering, Vampire: the Masquerade (There really isn't much else to do out on the water.), or just quoting Robert Jordan, etc., we'd start awarding each other nerd points.

Kind of like when somebody trips, and you say, "Yup. He just lost 10 cool points."

Instead, anytime a geek reference is made, like a Star Wars reference that the average person would not know, you say, "Okay, you just earned 15 nerd points just for knowing that!"

We needed to do this, too, because conversations could seriously get out of hand. We had inside jokes about quotes from fantasy novels, like "Parting the Silk" (Only Robert Jordan readers would know what that is.) became our slang term for busting ass (Don't ask. Ya had to be there.). If anyone fell downstairs, he "failed his Reflex save", or if he couldn't light his cigarette, he "failed his Dex check", etc.

They really do need a support group for nerds. Geeks Anonymous. Of course, the whole meeting would probably disintegrate into a conversation about Star Wars/Lord of the Rings/Dungeons & Dragons/Vampire/Magic....
 
ha-ha,

yeah, Flatfoot, that could get very dangerous:

"My name is Phatteus, and I am a geek!"
"Hi Phatteus."
"Hey, did anyone else hear about George Lucas' new haircut?"
"He got a haircut?"
"Wow!"
"Yeah, it's shorter than it was."
"What a genius!"
"Yeah"
(goes on for thirty-seven minutes... with numerous bouts of snorting.)
 
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