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How bad does piracy hurt? Or does it perhaps help the industry?

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I was wondering, how bad does the rise of piracy hurt tickling video producers?

Is it possible even that it actually helps?

If any producers happen to read this, I'd especially appreciate any input from them, including (if you are willing to say) whether you've noticed an increase in revenue after finding your productions posted elsewhere on the internet.

The logic to me would seem to be - 'Duh! People are watching their videos for free that might have otherwise paid!'

But, I suppose it could be possible that the increase in exposure leads to more buyers finding their videos/productions/studios which could result in more money/revenue.

Anyone have thoughts?
 
It hurts a lot. The whole "publicity generated is worth more than revenue lost" argument is bullshit. People who want to see fetish videos will seek them out. This isn't like trying to sell tickets to a major motion picture.
 
The less money companies make the lower quality of their next production and the less demand there appears to be.
It's bad.
 
In no way does piracy help video producers. Booking models, video equipment, and technology costs all pile up and are considerable to the producers. When people pirate videos it lowers the amount producers make and ultimately leads to companies closing. Numerous video producers have lamented this fact on the forum and have shared countless stories of how internet piracy has contributed to their decreased revenue and the eventual closure of their production companies. Though piracy might lead to increased exposure, that does not correlate with revenue because it just means people will search the web for more pirated videos instead of paying for them.
 
Piracy can't help the industry in any way. What's more, it hurts the tickling community itself. One of the worst things is that tickling clips appear on different porn websites and tubes among other nude and porn videos, which hurts the girls who participate in tickling videos and then they are associated with other porn stuff. Meaning that many of them won't come to get tickled again.

What I wish myself is that there was some system like monetizing on Youtube when anyone can view the clips for free just after watching some commercials. Producers would get the payment from monetizing and others would enjoy videos without having to pay for it.
The only question is how to make it possible.
 
Appreciate the input Tickletherapist, and the others. Something to think about
 
If any producers happen to read this, I'd especially appreciate any input from them, including (if you are willing to say) whether you've noticed an increase in revenue after finding your productions posted elsewhere on the internet.

Seriously? What do you expect us to say? "Oh, no, piracy is totally okay, go ahead and keep distributing our content for free!"?

It absolutely does not increase our sales if our material is pirated, and it flies completely in the face of logic that it would. Think about it... if you could watch all of them for free, would you choose to only watch one and then buy the rest?

What I wish myself is that there was some system like monetizing on Youtube when anyone can view the clips for free just after watching some commercials. Producers would get the payment from monetizing and others would enjoy videos without having to pay for it.

YouTube's monetization system is a joke unless you're one of the elite channels pulling in millions of views. The going rate is something like a nickel per thousand, and who doesn't run some form of Ad Blocker these days? Most of us producers already have members areas on our sites; I have over 100 videos on mine and it's $30 for a month's viewing. That's like thirty cents a video if you watch them all. But again, that's just you wanting someone else to finance your viewing habits, which is why we're in this position in the first place.

Fact is, we're running into a situation where it's quickly becoming unreasonable to charge for content but there's no viable alternative.
 
I was wondering, how bad does the rise of piracy hurt tickling video producers?

Is it possible even that it actually helps?

If any producers happen to read this, I'd especially appreciate any input from them, including (if you are willing to say) whether you've noticed an increase in revenue after finding your productions posted elsewhere on the internet.

The logic to me would seem to be - 'Duh! People are watching their videos for free that might have otherwise paid!'

But, I suppose it could be possible that the increase in exposure leads to more buyers finding their videos/productions/studios which could result in more money/revenue.

Anyone have thoughts?

Does it help? No. Does it hurt? The answer to that is a bit more complicated. For some producers, I think it hurts more than others. In general, my own opinion is that most hardcore pirates were never going to buy what they pirate, so there is no loss of revenue from them. It's when the content is spread so far and so wide that anyone and everyone can get it that it becomes a problem. A lot of the people on pornhub and trading forums are not the hardcore pirates, but they are the ones who might have bought stuff if it wasn't at their fingertips for free. This is where, imho, the piracy problem really takes on a monetary issue. Next year, we will reach our 20th anniversary. That is 20 years of producing videos, even with the pirates. Yes, they are negative impact, but I think that a lot of it is problematic and you can weather it if you mitigate their impact without wasting too much time and resource chasing them down every rabbit hole; that becomes a full time job.
 
It definitely doesn't help, but I think the porn industry is changing, and as producers and models we're going to have to adapt! Pornhub is actually running a sort of youtube stye ad revenue sharing program, which I think is the direction things are going to have to move to stay ahead of piracy. I have a few clip stores as well as free tickling videos up on my pornhub and they've definitely generated a lot of interest in other paid clips which is nice.
 
Piracy doesn't help in the respect of the tickling media.

Tickling is not porn. It never will be porn. Unless you mix it with porn. For example, Tickle Hand Jobs, Tickle Orgasms.

Honestly, I don't even see how tickle orgasms work....

Anyway....

When you pirate a tickling video, you run into the issue, like tickle therapist mentioned, of innocent media being put onto a porn website, and thus associating the model with porn. This has been a sticking issue for me in releasing much of my own collection, I do not see tickling as porn in the first place, and then to have my own participants also become the subject of it is just....insulting.

In other types of work, sure, it's cool, but other types of work are not tickling.

Did you know many people do not understand what Pornography is? I notice it even here on this forum. People have often called it Tickle Porn.

Are you fucking in these videos? I don't believe so, you're touching people lightly or heavily so as to cause spasmodic reactions and laughter.

This is the ignorance we are dealing with people. Ignorant people doing ignorant things.

While I'm not against piracy in most field,s I am against it in this field.

No. No Piracy of our videos.
 
Tickling is not porn. It never will be porn.

That is a very one sided view. I will agree that there are folks who view tickling in a non sexual way, but the majority of tickling videos are legally considered pornography in the United States and governed by rules for adult entertainment. Not to mention, most of the content created is for masturbation and has heavy
sexualized elements added: nudity, orgasms, bondage, BDSM, ect. There are some companies that create very "vanilla" content, but even that stuff, while the
intent of the creators may be non pornographic, the ultimate use by the consumer can be very different.

I think this is a matter of perception. I'll give a personal example. We've hired many models. Some have turned us down over money, schedule or exclusivity. One model
turned us down because she felt our videos portrayed women in a demeaning way. Fair enough. A lot of porn can be viewed that way. However, at the time she made
the comments, prominently display on the front of her web page was a picture of her completely nude, on all fours, wearing a dog collar and being led around by a leash
held by a jacked up guy in Mad Max looking leather. And our stuff is demeaning? Whaaaaat?

My point is, people have different perceptions of things. Even people who make a living appearing in the content.
 
That is a very one sided view. I will agree that there are folks who view tickling in a non sexual way, but the majority of tickling videos are legally considered pornography in the United States and governed by rules for adult entertainment. Not to mention, most of the content created is for masturbation and has heavy
sexualized elements added: nudity, orgasms, bondage, BDSM, ect. There are some companies that create very "vanilla" content, but even that stuff, while the
intent of the creators may be non pornographic, the ultimate use by the consumer can be very different.

I think this is a matter of perception. I'll give a personal example. We've hired many models. Some have turned us down over money, schedule or exclusivity. One model
turned us down because she felt our videos portrayed women in a demeaning way. Fair enough. A lot of porn can be viewed that way. However, at the time she made
the comments, prominently display on the front of her web page was a picture of her completely nude, on all fours, wearing a dog collar and being led around by a leash
held by a jacked up guy in Mad Max looking leather. And our stuff is demeaning? Whaaaaat?

My point is, people have different perceptions of things. Even people who make a living appearing in the content.

I reviewed my response and realize I actually contradicted myself in my own piece.

Nonetheless, tickling in and of itself is not pornographic. Pornography is a depiction of sexual behavior. Tickling is not a sexual behavior, it's a communicative behavior shared between different groups among the primates, including Homo Sapiens Sapiens, or Humans. Not necessarily is it connected with sexuality.

The perception argument can be placed in this particular situation to demonstrate how one person can see something as sexual or as pornographic, without it actually being the case, however. I completely understand that. It's similar to how it is with my niece. My niece is an ashkenazi jewish girl. I am African and Tamil Indian. I often take my niece to the museums on the weekends, but it never fails to get strange looks.

I've often been stopped by random people and even security at different museums because they think I kidnapped the child. Because to them they associate a child and its caretaker being of similar features, and when they see a man and a little girl, they immediately assume pedophile.

Perceptions are fine, but if one wishes to get to the meat and the root of it, that's going to take some time to sit down and think. And on this subject, that's basically all I've been doing.
 
I agree that tickling is not primarily pornographic outside the fetish community. Although it can be tied to foreplay and sex without being a fetish for either participant. However, in my experience, interacting with members of the overall tickling community, the majority seem to view it as sexual and the videos created are 90%+ pornographic or sexualized.

While I will be the first to acknowledge that there are people in the fetish community who do not see tickling with any sexual connotations, the majority of people I have encountered either see it as completely sexual or it's a mix of sexual and non. Few see it completely non sexual. This is of course my personal experience and is subject to disagreement. What is not really subject to disagreement is that most of the commercial tickling videos that have EVER been created have been sexualized from mild to extreme and are primarily created and used for masturbation.

The fact that certain producers create content without intending it to be pornography and it gets mixed with content that is intended to be pornographic is unfortunate, but hardly surprising. Just because a producer says its not porn, doesn't mean that it won't be used as porn. I think those producers have to accept that the viewer of their work is the final decider of how their content will be used. If they don't like that, then they shouldn't release their work into the wild where anyone can see and disseminate it. Even sharing it privately among like minded enthusiasts has its risks. I know of several private videos that got leaked by friends of friends sharing it. Once its shared, you have opened the door.

If a producer does decide to make the content available, I think he has to accept it can be used and associated with content that he might find objectionable. I also think those producers owe it to their models to make that clear. All my models are professionals. Not girls next door answering a Craigslist ad or friends. They know exactly what they are doing and who they are doing it for. I think a lot of these women, who are amateurs and barely models outside the handful of videos they film, do not understand that those videos have a good chance of sharing space with adult content. If they knew that, I think some would have second thoughts. Certainly some would still make them, but at least they would know the risk. It's allowing them to make an informed choice and not a choice they might regret because they didn't understand how easily the little amateur video they did will appear alongside content they would have declined to appear in. I have had a number of models decline a job they initially approached me for after I explained this very thing to them.
 
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