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HOWARD vs. FCC

StarWolffe

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This is a follow-up to the FCC issue, not only for Howard but for the future of all of us. Go to < www.stopfcc.com > and read for yourself. Just for my fellow PA residents .... Senator Joe Biden (R-16) in the person who submitted this bill to Congress. Come on folks .... even if you don't like Howard Stern ..... I'm really scared for my kids and the future of free speech in this country.
 
Yet Another Person...

Who hasn't read the actual verbage of the Constitution and doesn't understand what free Speach really means.

The First Amendment only guarantees your right to say what you will about the Government. It does NOT give anyone the right to spread obscenities over a public airwave. (i'm a huge Stern fan by the way, but let's NOT confuse constitutional right, with moral allowance)

Before you post this tripe nonsense please read the Constitution then follow the various cases concerning free speech.

Tron
 
Without flaming my "comrad" Neutron .... This ruling is not about the actual constitution .... This bill allows the FCC ( a presidential appointed group ) the right to determine what is offensive and fine the person/broadcaster 500,000 per incident ... after 3 offenses ... the station license may be revoked .... Listen to Bill Mahr and Dennis Miller .... but this is just my opinion .... go read it for yourslf and you decide ....
 
Mahr And Miller

Two of the more respected legal minds and free speech experts in the US (sarcasm). Also people who are potentially affected by the legislation.

The FCC is not a "presidential" appointed group, they're a law enforcing department of the US Government. Again you really need to do some research, vice let others think for you.

You referenced Free Speech in your original post, anytime that is mentioned it's implied it's a Constitutional Right when in fact it isn't. Free Speech in this country ONLY protects the right to protest against the government and prevents the authorities from arresting you for differing with the government, SO long as you don't do it in a violent fashion.

If you want to set a good example for your kids learn to think for youself.

Tron
 
I see both of your points, but I'll probably sign the petition anyway. The practical application of this is that if enough people sign this, it will show that the American public believes that what the FCC is doing is wrong. Politicians ultimately want to stay in office, so if enough people sign this thing, maybe a few smart politicians will take the hint and use the FCC as a campaign issue. Imagine the kind of support a Congressional candidate could get by saying something like, "I believe the FCC is overstepping its bounds. If you elect me, I will do everything I can to restrict its power over our free speech." What Tron is saying about the 1st Amendment is true, but no politician that wants to stay in office will actively violate what is perceived as a part of the free speech idea. It's not the actual meaning of the 1st Amendment that matters; it's the perception of what that right means that matters. If people think that the 1st Amendment is a rationale for lessening FCC regulations, then they will vote accordingly.

This is a slight alteration of what I posted originally... Joe Biden is not a Republican Senator from PA. I just looked it up; he's a Democratic Senator from DE. I'm hoping this is an honest mistake on your part Starwolffe. I can't find anything on Biden that has anything to do with the FCC, but his Rave Act portion of the Amber Alert bill is just bullshit. I like the spirit of this petition, but I'm hoping it has nothing to do with this shady character by the name of Joe Biden....
 
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Sorry 'bout that

It was Joseph Pitts .... (R-16) from southeastern PA .... Thank you for pointing out my error !!!! :wavingguy
 
My opinion was that the FCC and what they do is a violation of constitutional rights in itself
 
Wow... Pitts is a dumbass... Anyone interested in reading about how stupid this man is should click http://www.contracostatimes.com/mld/cctimes/news/politics/8168193.htm

The aforementioned article speaks of the Broadcast Decency Enforcement Act which is basically a euphemism for "Hey! As the FCC, we can fine your ass off!" Pitts is one of the main morons that supported the bill. (Pitts is a Representative, not a Senator, btw) It passed the House 391-22 which ultimately means that it was a bipartisan bill. This is sad news for us Democrats, since our ideology should follow that free speech is a main priority. On the bright side of things, "Of the 22 votes against the bill, all but one were cast by Democrats." So, at least, a small contingent of my party wised up.

The last bit of this article is priceless, "The lone Republican voting no was Ron Paul of Texas, who protested, 'We're moving in a direction of undermining the First Amendment.'" Ron, I commend you, and I hope your party takes the hint. I also hope my own party doesn't sell out. This is just fucking depressing.... Maybe the Greens are right after all....
 
So Limeoutsider..

Could you please enlighten us with what article of the Constitution the FCC violates? I'd be interested in you quoting the exact passage..


MrMaphisto excellent post man. While I don't agree with everything you say it's only on the opinion end that I don't agree.

Tron
 
Ron Does Not..

Understand the First Amendment. By the way, the First Amendment does NOT cover fines or removing licenses. It only covers arrest for speaking against the government. In other words it does not pertain to civil infractions, which licenses and the FCC cover.

By the way, whatever gave you the idea that the Democratic Party is the suporter of free speech?? Some of the most brutal infringements of the 1st Amendment have been sponsored by Democrats...


Tron
 
Neutron,just out of simple curiousity how would you react if the FCC shut down Howard Stern? Personally I don't listen to him I have in the past and didn't really care for his show I have nothing personal against him I am one of those people that if you don't like what is on the radio or TV just change the channel,or turn it off I guess most people don't have that option on their TV/radio
 
Tron... About Democrats and free speech... It's a state of comparison. Both parties are guilty of infringing upon the freedom of speech (as in the popular interpretation of that phrase and not the exact Amendment). However, the most grievous offenses toward free speech were committed during the Red Scare. It was mostly Republicans (in particular, Senator McCarthy) that passed the bills that infringed upon our rights to privacy and free speech in that period of history. Ever since then, Republicans have been more likely to violate these concepts. I realize the technicality of both rights not being as explicit in the Bill of Rights as we assume they are, but it's the spirit (and not the letter) of the law that truly matters. We can't say we live in a free country if we have to worry about the FCC censoring us beyond reason. During the Red Scare, we were even less free, because you couldn't really speak out against the government in those days.

People will argue that our fear of Communism at that time was justified, but at the same time, restricting our freedoms unnecessarily only reduces our society to the same ideology that we oppose. In certain ways, the Communists succeeded (for a short time) in taking away our freedoms by means of our own fear supporting such ridiculous legislation and unconstitutional investigations. A similar thing occurred after 9/11; to subdue our fears of terrorism, the government went on a freedom killing spree by passing atrocious legislation like the Patriot Act. While I admit that this act and many others have often garnered bipartisan support, the majority of politicians against these bills are Democrats. Rarely will you find a significant group of Republicans against these bills. Ron Paul is the exception and not the rule, and who knows how he voted on the Patriot Act (or if he was even in office at the time).

In short, what I'm trying to say is this: even if it turns out that the majority of Democrats are just as bad as Republicans about sacrificing freedoms, a larger minority of Democrats than Republicans have been against such legislation. It is for this reason that I generally vote Democratic. Granted, if this situation gets worse about how our rights are being violated, I may just stop voting altogether and move to Canada. If it reaches the point that neither of the big two parties recognizes my interests, then I really won't have any reason to stay here (and neither will a LOT of other people). I would vote for the smaller parties, but given our current system, they simply serve as upsets. Green votes have the effect of aiding Republicans, and Libertarian votes have the effect of aiding Democrats.

(By the way, Tron and everyone else... Unless otherwise noted, when I say "free speech," I'm referring to the popular interpretation of the 1st Amendment and not the exact wording of that amendment.)
 
Well...

"Two of the more respected legal minds and free speech experts in the US (sarcasm). Also people who are potentially affected by the legislation.

The FCC is not a "presidential" appointed group, they're a law enforcing department of the US Government. Again you really need to do some research, vice let others think for you.

You referenced Free Speech in your original post, anytime that is mentioned it's implied it's a Constitutional Right when in fact it isn't. Free Speech in this country ONLY protects the right to protest against the government and prevents the authorities from arresting you for differing with the government, SO long as you don't do it in a violent fashion.

If you want to set a good example for your kids learn to think for youself."


It's a pleasure for me to know that you are such a warm, charming, and engaging individual, Neutron. In fact, if you weren't, I'd wonder what was wrong.
 
august man.....where have you been!? Been awhile....if BUSH had his way, stern would be finished.
 
august spies said:
fcc is just an extension of the bush administration, why would they allow dissent
August spies,I believe that the FCC has been around a lot longer than Bush has been President Also if I am not mistaken,didn't Stern have trouble with the FCC when Clinton was president?
 
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