Hulk Hogan is the Stupidest man in Wrestling...

[Tantrum]

I am glad you got that off your chest, because it certainly couldn't have come from your brain. Then again maybe you wiped it off of pt's ass when you were back their a moment ago. I'll tell you what... let me get back to you on that comment you made later.

For all they did, good and bad, Hogan, Flair, Savage, Austin, all made a lot of money. Bret just wasn't that memorable for me.

I will say that Bret was really the first guy to prove that a tag-team wrestler could be a successful singles wrestler too. Up to that point, the categories were, if not rigid, well-delineated. He broke the mold.

And for those who say what a rotten "wrestler" Hulk Hogan was/is, I suggest that you try to find some of his matches in Japan. The Japanese fans are serious about their wrestling, and they'll give you no respect if your workrate isn't solid. Hogan took on, from 1979 to 2004, Stan Hansen, Riki Choshu, Antonio Inoki, Keiji Muto, Akira Maeda, Rusher Kimura, Tatsumi Fujinami, El Canek (from Mexico), Genichiro Tenryu, and on and on. They call him "Ichiban," meaning "Number One."

 

[primetime]

Slavertickler, this has gone on long enough. LEARN HOW TO SPELL!!!!! You are trying to ridicule people and your spelling skills are atrocious. C'mon on man, if you are going to try and clown people, make sure you know how to SPELL. I told you before, hire a local 3 year old to write for you. I can understand if English isn't your first language, but you have never indicated that it wasn't. Pathetic man. You're going to try and insult people, yet you have the spelling skills of a cinderblock. A spelling mistake here or there is okay, but you seem to have more words spelled wrong than you do right. Man up for once and get someone else to write for you.


Now on to business. You constantly prove to everyone just how "blind" your arguments are. I never said Bret wasn't a "legend". I said his legacy is not as big as Hogan and the only place he seems to be put on a pedestal is Canada. I don't hear a bunch of Japanese fans crying about the Screwjob. I don't hear a bunch of European fans chanting "You screwed Bret!". I hear it from CANADIEN fans. Why else would I make references to Canada? Goodness man, get a clue.

It's funny how you said Vince "turned" to the little Canadien guy after the steroid scandal. Gee, who else is he going to turn to? Hogan was gone. Warrior was a mess. He gave Bret a shot at glory. Also you seem to have selective memory. When Bret Hart was the #1 guy, the WWE almost went out of business. The Hart years were the "filler" period between Hulkamania and Austin 3:16. I wasn't even watching wrestling that much. You act like Bret carried WWE like a Hogan or an Austin. He didn't. That's Bret Hart's legacy in my eyes. He was a "filler" between the two dominant eras.

How much in the dark are you with the entertainment industry? You act like Vince McMahon is the only guy out there who every once in a while "screws" his workers and tries to make money off of them. Dammit, the same can be sad about professional sports franchises. From NFL to Hockey, owners have tossed aside their "employees" after they made money from them and can no longer perform. Is it right? No. Is it the nature of the beast? Yes. Does it happen with every single performer? NO. Vince is a businessman. There will be times where he does something unethical, but there will also be times where he is the "caring" businessman. Why you expect Vince to be the great saint is beyond me.

So you want to blame Vince for Owen's death? Fine. I blame your parents for having a child that can't spell to save his life and has this crazy obssession with a man who has never done anything wrong personally to him. I blame your parents for allowing you to run amuck with views that make no sense. I blame your parents for not making sure your teachers were teaching you on spelling and logic. Ridiculous right? Of course it is ridiculous to blame your parents because your failings are YOUR OWN FAULT. Owen's death was a tragedy. It was an accident. It wasn't done on purpose and to hold a man responsible for the accident, as though he did it on purpose is completely insane. That's how you portray Vince. You portray him as though he wanted Owen to die. You portray him as he spent all his energy figuring out a way to kill a man. You are truly warped.

As for the tribute show. You mean to tell me that Vince should have just put up a graphic announcing Benoit's death? Did you ever stop and think that Vince did the tribute show because his "employees" were stunned, saddened and in utter shock hearing about Benoit's death? Benoit was a hard worker and gave 100% to perform for Vince. He had many friends in the company and because they don't have all the details, he doesn't get a tribute show? Had the death occurred after Monday, Vince would have time to prepare. It's Sunday/Monday when he heard the news, WHAT ELSE WAS HE SUPPOSED TO DO? You still haven't answered that. What was Vince supposed to do?

I guess the tribute shows for Eddie Guerrero was also in bad taste according to your logic. Man, you are truly a fool for believing Vince did a tribute show for pure money reasons, instead of paying tribute to a hard working employee. But if that was the case, it kills your logic about Vince being truly evil to the core. When Vince did get more information, he did what he needed to do, like any smart businessman would.

Tell me this. Name another big time wrestling promoter who is truly a "saint", cares for his employees and has never screwed over a performer. NAME ONE. You can't. All wrestling promoters are guilty of "hazardous working environments", "screwing" empolyees time to time, and trying to make money. You just hate McMahon and can't see any other logic. Besides myself, everyone else who disagrees with you have acknowledged that Vince is definitely not a saint, but he is a businessman of a major corporation. You have no idea what goes on in the entertainment industry do you? Learn this before you decide to be a booker.

Back to Canada vs United States. What's the best way to piss off fans? You have to do something pretty bad for them to go against you. You had Sgt. Slaughter becoming an Iraqi "sympathizer" during the first Persian Gulf war. You had him disrespecting the United States and our soldiers. Guess what? It worked. It got fans to hate him, even give him death threats. Slaughter did his job, much like HBK did his. You do whatever it takes for fans to hate you. Plus, that was also during the beginning of the DX days, who were supposed to do sophomoric pranks like what HBK was doing. That's what the character was supposed to do.

No, "Mr. McMahon" was created during the Austin days. Vince was a "heel" promoter after the screw job, but the actual character was when Austin stunned McMahon after he won the title. McMahon tried to get Austin to "comform" to his standards and Austin did his role. The more he did it, the more "evil" McMahon got. McMahon pretty much did what Eric Bischoff was doing, being the evil owner. Go back, watch the tapes again. Vince wasn't doing his "strut" after the Hart incident, it was with Austin.

That's good if you think you could be a good booker. You actually would be horrendous. You have no clue on how the entertainment industry works. You have no clue on how performers are SUPPOSED to perform in order to draw heat/cheers. Much like any corporation, there will be politics. Is it ethical? Of course not, but it happens a lot in the corporate world. You would get laughed out of the building.

Vince brings up the Screwjob because people like you have never let it go. Remember when HBK even told the Canadien crowd to get over it. If Canadiens did get over it and wasn't chanting "You screwed Bret" all the damn time, it would make no sense for Vince to do it. Fans help McMahon determine what to do on a show. If you had any knowledge, you would know that. Fans can help make a heel a face and vice versa. I thought this would be obvious to you, but I guess not.

People like you huh? Your family doesn't count. You can express your opinions all you like, but as long as you keep making an ass out of yourself and insulting people who like the WWE and enjoy it, you better believe I will be there to ridicule you. Here's your homework assignment you should do before you write your reply.

1) Learn how to spell
2) Learn how to spell
3) Learn what really happens behind the scenes in the entertainment industry.
4) Stop being blinded by Bret Hart's ordeal. You claim we are kissing McMahon's ass, but your lips have been on Bret Hart's dick for years now.
5) Learn how to spell
6) Realize that even Vince McMahon is a human being and not this devil that is running loose.
7) Learn how to spell

Got it?

 

[storm7400]

Seriously does anyone care about Bret Hart any more besides Slave?








The answer is no!

 

[The Sean Man]

A question to ponder: Would the whole Montreal Screwjob have happened had Madusa not taken her WWF women's championship belt to WCW, and dumped it in the trash?

Anyway, as for Hogan's comments....what really amazes me about him, is that he thinks he can say anything he wants....rewriting history when it suits him...dissing other wrestlers' success and reasoning...all the while thinking that no one else is actually paying attention to the facts. It's laughable some of the things Hogan says about the industry and the workers in it...his recollections so completely removed from the truth...I think it would make a hell of a book..."The Truth According to Hulk Hogan....and just Hulk Hogan".

As Gorilla Monsoon would say: "What a fountain of misinformation".

 

[SlaverTickler]

Slavertickler, this has gone on long enough. LEARN HOW TO SPELL!!!!! You are trying to ridicule people and your spelling skills are atrocious. C'mon on man, if you are going to try and clown people, make sure you know how to SPELL. I told you before, hire a local 3 year old to write for you. I can understand if English isn't your first language, but you have never indicated that it wasn't. Pathetic man. You're going to try and insult people, yet you have the spelling skills of a cinderblock. A spelling mistake here or there is okay, but you seem to have more words spelled wrong than you do right. Man up for once and get someone else to write for you.

Hey don't get mad at me, I gave that 5 year old $10.oo like you said last time.

Now on to business. You constantly prove to everyone just how "blind" your arguments are. I never said Bret wasn't a "legend". I said his legacy is not as big as Hogan and the only place he seems to be put on a pedestal is Canada. I don't hear a bunch of Japanese fans crying about the Screwjob. I don't hear a bunch of European fans chanting "You screwed Bret!". I hear it from CANADIEN fans. Why else would I make references to Canada? Goodness man, get a clue.

And I never said Bret was as bigger a legend as Hogan. I simply said he is a legend in the business beyond his own borders. Just because fan's outside of Canada aren't chanting about the screw job (and can you be sure that wasn't editing at one time?). For the record it is spelled C-a-n-a-d-i-a-n.

It's funny how you said Vince "turned" to the little Canadien guy after the steroid scandal. Gee, who else is he going to turn to? Hogan was gone. Warrior was a mess. He gave Bret a shot at glory. Also you seem to have selective memory. When Bret Hart was the #1 guy, the WWE almost went out of business. The Hart years were the "filler" period between Hulkamania and Austin 3:16. I wasn't even watching wrestling that much. You act like Bret carried WWE like a Hogan or an Austin. He didn't. That's Bret Hart's legacy in my eyes. He was a "filler" between the two dominant eras.

Of course Bret was treated like filler, he's not an American. When have you ever know Vince to give a real true push to a None American wrestler. Hogan, Backlund, and Bruno Samartino were all American's (Bruno might have been born in Italy, but he was American). Why is it do you think that Benoit (born in Montréal, raised in Edmonton) and Chris "Jericho" Irvine (Winnipeg Manitoba) were announced at being from Atlanta (Benoit) and NY (Jericho) because they are baby faces who were over big. Meanwhile Edge and Christian, who reside in Florida, are announced as being from Toronto, because they are BAD GUYs. Why is this you might add, could it be that Vince think the WWE's American fan base has a bias against None American performers. The fact that Bret was able to be the top dog in the company (and it didn't hit the shits till after Shawn won the title at Mania 13, and I can back that up) while not changing where he was from, and still staying a fan favorite in the US.

How much in the dark are you with the entertainment industry? You act like Vince McMahon is the only guy out there who every once in a while "screws" his workers and tries to make money off of them. Dammit, the same can be sad about professional sports franchises. From NFL to Hockey, owners have tossed aside their "employees" after they made money from them and can no longer perform. Is it right? No. Is it the nature of the beast? Yes. Does it happen with every single performer? NO. Vince is a businessman. There will be times where he does something unethical, but there will also be times where he is the "caring" businessman. Why you expect Vince to be the great saint is beyond me.

Thank you for using the lamest and oldest bull shit excuse of all time. "Everybody else is doing it.". Being unethical is never cool, unless you're a pimp. Are you a pimp PT, is that why you seem to be "OK" with everything Vince does? By the term "caring" I assume you mean stuff like putting Brian Pilman's widow on TV, or giving Vikki Guerrero a job so he can further squeeze a few bucks put of Eddie's name. If he was so caring why didn't he just send them some money. Every thing Vince does is about making money, moral people don't spend their lives that way.

So you want to blame Vince for Owen's death? Fine. I blame your parents for having a child that can't spell to save his life and has this crazy obssession with a man who has never done anything wrong personally to him. I blame your parents for allowing you to run amuck with views that make no sense. I blame your parents for not making sure your teachers were teaching you on spelling and logic. Ridiculous right? Of course it is ridiculous to blame your parents because your failings are YOUR OWN FAULT. Owen's death was a tragedy. It was an accident. It wasn't done on purpose and to hold a man responsible for the accident, as though he did it on purpose is completely insane. That's how you portray Vince. You portray him as though he wanted Owen to die. You portray him as he spent all his energy figuring out a way to kill a man. You are truly warped.

I never said it was on purpose, you don't have to do something on purpose to be responsible for it. Vince was negligent in making sure Owen's safety was taken care of. In fact the Hart family (Stu, Helen and daughter in-law Martha) were suing Vince for Negligence. The WWE legal beagles were so terrified that they tried to play a scam that all law suits against the WWF (well then it was) had to be tried in it's home state of Conneticut, were no punitive damages would have been paid. They were also going to counter sue Owen's widow for over $70,000 plus coast. The only reason they settles out of court was because Bret's sisters (Ellie Niedhart, and Diana Smith)betrayed her own parents and faxed a file's worth of information to McMahon's office. They thought if they did this they could get their husbands work.

By the way, if you get a woman pregnant by accident does that mean you don't think you should be held accountable. I'm just wondering, because that might explain a few things.

As for the tribute show. You mean to tell me that Vince should have just put up a graphic announcing Benoit's death? Did you ever stop and think that Vince did the tribute show because his "employees" were stunned, saddened and in utter shock hearing about Benoit's death? Benoit was a hard worker and gave 100% to perform for Vince. He had many friends in the company and because they don't have all the details, he doesn't get a tribute show? Had the death occurred after Monday, Vince would have time to prepare. It's Sunday/Monday when he heard the news, WHAT ELSE WAS HE SUPPOSED TO DO? You still haven't answered that. What was Vince supposed to do?

He didn't have to do anything. It wasn't a live RAW that week, so he could have just shown the tapes show with the "In Memorial off" graphic like you mention, and then held off on anything major until more of the fact came in. In the locker room Benoit didn't have allot of friends, no wrestler has allot of friends in the business. Most of the time you are trying to make sure most of the guys aren't fucking you over with politics. In truth I don't think Benoit had to many real friends in that locker room after Eddie died.

[/QUOTE=primetime]I guess the tribute shows for Eddie Guerrero was also in bad taste according to your logic. Man, you are truly a fool for believing Vince did a tribute show for pure money reasons, instead of paying tribute to a hard working employee. But if that was the case, it kills your logic about Vince being truly evil to the core. When Vince did get more information, he did what he needed to do, like any smart businessman would.[/QUOTE]

Yep, dragging a bunch of mourning wrestlers in front of a camera and having them cry like babies for the viewers sure was in bad taste. You are a fool for thinking Vince didn't do those tribute shows for money. In fact I understand he mocked the entire tribute show by having one of his own when he did the fake death angle, and had all the wrestler make their comments about him, thus showing how illagit most of them were with their comments about their "Brothers" who had passed away for real. How do you take anything they say in that situation to heart when it is obviously so easy for them to fake it.

Ironically Bret himself said it would have been much better to show Owen's matches' as a tribute rather then have the wrestler talking about him on camera. I know what Bret thinks doesn't matter much to you, and why should it, after all it was just his brother.

Tell me this. Name another big time wrestling promoter who is truly a "saint", cares for his employees and has never screwed over a performer. NAME ONE. You can't. All wrestling promoters are guilty of "hazardous working environments", "screwing" empolyees time to time, and trying to make money. You just hate McMahon and can't see any other logic. Besides myself, everyone else who disagrees with you have acknowledged that Vince is definitely not a saint, but he is a businessman of a major corporation. You have no idea what goes on in the entertainment industry do you? Learn this before you decide to be a booker.

I don't have to, but I will say this. When people worked for Turner they had medical and dental coverage. They didn't have to work half as many shows, and nobody ever died come down on a wire during a PPV in KC. They also made a hell of allot more money, and the Cruiser Weight Division (at one point) was booked a hell of alot better.

Back to Canada vs United States. What's the best way to piss off fans? You have to do something pretty bad for them to go against you. You had Sgt. Slaughter becoming an Iraqi "sympathizer" during the first Persian Gulf war. You had him disrespecting the United States and our soldiers. Guess what? It worked. It got fans to hate him, even give him death threats. Slaughter did his job, much like HBK did his. You do whatever it takes for fans to hate you. Plus, that was also during the beginning of the DX days, who were supposed to do sophomoric pranks like what HBK was doing. That's what the character was supposed to do.

Vince also asked Slaughter to burn the American flag on TV and he refused to. So obviously Shawn didn't have to stick the flag up his nose, or lay it out on the mat and hump it. He could have hung it up-side down like the Un-American's did during their time in the WWF (or your Baseball League did when the Jay's won the world series).

No, "Mr. McMahon" was created during the Austin days. Vince was a "heel" promoter after the screw job, but the actual character was when Austin stunned McMahon after he won the title. McMahon tried to get Austin to "comform" to his standards and Austin did his role. The more he did it, the more "evil" McMahon got. McMahon pretty much did what Eric Bischoff was doing, being the evil owner. Go back, watch the tapes again. Vince wasn't doing his "strut" after the Hart incident, it was with Austin.

The is what they call "Character Development" that doesn't change the fact that it sprang from what happened in Montréal.

That's good if you think you could be a good booker. You actually would be horrendous. You have no clue on how the entertainment industry works. You have no clue on how performers are SUPPOSED to perform in order to draw heat/cheers. Much like any corporation, there will be politics. Is it ethical? Of course not, but it happens a lot in the corporate world. You would get laughed out of the building.

Getting laughed out of the corporate world would be as match an honor a knowing you don't like me. I thank you for that. I know more about how it is suppose to work then you could ever imagine. I know that the world champ should be a guy who can comunicate with the audience both in and out of the ring (not unlike Y2J who is now the best in the business over all). I know that if you have guys who aren't good talkers but are good in the ring you stick them with a mouth piece (why is Arn Anderson stuck in the back anyway?) If a guy is a strong talker but not the best wrestler you try to hide his short coming's in the ring and build on his character outside the ring. Did you know at one time Hunter and HBK were booker with Brisco, and tried to ruin the Rock, yep, they tried to fuck him over big. Once they told Bret they wanted him to beat Rock for the IC title, but Bret said he didn't see the point in it, the IC title wouldn't help him, and hindering the Rock wouldn't do anybody any good. That was when he was DQed for the Figure 4 around the ring post.

Vince brings up the Screwjob because people like you have never let it go. Remember when HBK even told the Canadien crowd to get over it. If Canadiens did get over it and wasn't chanting "You screwed Bret" all the damn time, it would make no sense for Vince to do it. Fans help McMahon determine what to do on a show. If you had any knowledge, you would know that. Fans can help make a heel a face and vice versa. I thought this would be obvious to you, but I guess not.

If fan's help determine what happens on the show, why doesn't he hear the "YOU SUCK" chants when Cena (who is supposed to be a baby face) is in the ring. Why does he keep Mark Henry around when nobody even react to him 90% of the time. Why does he berry CM Punk and fuck around with ECW so much. Why did he ruin the Invasion angle that could have made him 100 times more money just by letting the WCW guys have one of the 2 TV shows (thus legitimizing the Brand Extension some what). Nope sorry McMahon is interested in hurting and humiliating people. Instead of using those guys well he berried them just for spite, because they kicked his ass for 84 weeks.

People like you huh? Your family doesn't count. You can express your opinions all you like, but as long as you keep making an ass out of yourself and insulting people who like the WWE and enjoy it, you better believe I will be there to ridicule you.

And as long as I know I can get a reaction out of you I will continue to shit all over you life partner Vince McMahon. (See I know how to book a heel)

Here's your homework assignment you should do before you write your reply.

1) Learn how to spell
2) Learn how to spell
3) Learn what really happens behind the scenes in the entertainment industry.
4) Stop being blinded by Bret Hart's ordeal. You claim we are kissing McMahon's ass, but your lips have been on Bret Hart's dick for years now.
5) Learn how to spell
6) Realize that even Vince McMahon is a human being and not this devil that is running loose.
7) Learn how to spell
Got it?

In closing here is some advice for you...

1) Stop kissing Vince's Ass!
2) Stop sucking Vince's dick!
3) Read Hit Man: My Real Life in the Cartoon World of Wrestling and you might learn something about how it is behind the scenes, including how McMahon treated you beloved "Hulkster" after the Warrior showed up.
4) Read Mankind: Have a Nice Day, and you can find out what a doosh bag moron Ric Flair really is.
5) Stop grabbing you ankles for Vince!
6) Read A Lion's Tail: Around the World in Spandex... I got nothing on Vince for that one, so far, it's just been a good book.
7) Get a shot, because who know's what you've picked up sucking Vince's dick, kissing his ass, or being fucked in the ass by him.

Got that ??

 

[FlockOfSeagulls]

Adam Copeland was born in Canada. Doesn`t that make him a Canadian????

Or does because he now lives in Florida, are you renouncing his canadian citizenship ????

He is the World Champ, the last time I looked and has held the tag-team belts so many times it is amazing. looks to me like he was put over pretty damn well by the WWE.

I will say this again, I am not a big fan of WWE but other than TNA it`s all we got right now. So it is watch that or don`t watch wrestling at all

 

[storm7400]

Slaver I hate to say you're a tool but come on man really? Take Mick Foley's opinions of Ric Flair from HIS autobiography written by him as gospel? I guess you never read Ric's autobiography and the picture he paints of Mick. Go on and keep rambling on your nonsense and thinking its true, while the rest of us real and intelligent wrestling fans try to enjoy what we got.

 

[primetime]

Slaver, you love talking out of your ass don't you? You are ridiculous man. You can't even come up with your own jokes. You have to imitate mine. You want to educate me on spelling? Because I put "Canadien", instead of "Canadian"? You have more words spelled incorrectly than correctly. You say you paid a 5 year old $10.00 to write for you? You got robbed because he has yet to write one for you.

Now on to the rest of your ridiculous logic. Bret was treated like "filler" not because he's Non-American, it's because he isn't as charismatic as Hogan or Austin. WWE had some of their lowest ratings during the Bret Hart heyday. You know what that means? NO ONE CARED TO WATCH HIM. He had some qualities, but by and large, the general public didn't give a rat's ass about Bret Hart and turned away from wrestling. Vince could push Bret all the live long day, but no one cared. If Bret was really that good, his legacy should have been on par with Hogan or Austin. Hell, he wasn't on the same level as Ric Flair. Bret was, is and will always be a "filler" champion.

How ignorant are you? You ask when has Vince ever given a real push to someone who is "Non-American". Yet, you name several prominent Canadians and point out that they reside in American cities. But fans KNOW where the wrestlers originally hailed from and most of them have won the World title. What the hell are you talking about? Do you think people don't know where Edge, Christian, Benoit, Jericho, etc are from? You're a real fool....

By the way, Shawn didn't win the title at WM 13. That was the Undertaker. I guess you must be as "stupid as Hogan" because you have your facts wrong. See, you're human. Just like Hogan is.......Feel stupid yet? Probably not...

It's not a lame excuse about how the entertainment industry works. IT'S THE NATURE OF THE BEAST. There will be times where unethcial things are done. I even said "Is it right? No." But it is the nature of the industry. You claim you know how the industry works, yet you're surprised and appalled at an entertainment mogul.

Vince does care about things. He is not evil to the core. Why would "evil" Vince even be associated with "Make-A-Wish" foundation? Why would he even put his employees in a damn warzone in Iraq to entertain the troops? Why would he even bother with tribute shows? Oh yeah, "he wants to make money". Tell me, how is he making money by having his employees visit sick kids? How is he making money by having shows in Iraq. You aren't that stupid to think the troops are buying tickets to watch the shows are you? You know, you keep claiming that Vince is out for money, so can you please explain to all of us exactly what is the "making money" strategy by having tribute shows? Go ahead. Or will you be a complete ass and duck the question? Feel like an ass yet?

So, Vince gives Vickie Guerrero a job to squeeze money out of Eddie's name. That is so damn laughable. Vickie could have said "No." That kind of kills that attempt doesn't it?

Wait. It's funny how you keep saying Vince is all about making money. Let's think about Economics 101. Vince is an owner of a company. Vince's "job" is to provide entertainment to millions and millions of people across the world. Now, he has to pay these performers, and crew a good amount of money to put on this brand of entertainment. That calculates to huge loss of income, UNLESS, he compensates for it by charging people like us to watch his programs live in person. That's capitalism you silly fool. Of course Vince wants to make money. He is a BUSINESSMAN for crying out loud. A damn successful one too. Vince is supposed to do this for free at his own expense? Are you really that dense?

Owne's death is an accident. Think about it for a second. These performers actually put their lives on the line everytime they step into the ring. They know the risks. Remember HBK making an entrance similar to Owen's entrance? The stunt was done before. Again, it was an accident. The picture you're trying to paint is as though Vince WANTED Owen to die. It was an accident. Much like your parents on the night....Never mind, that will be a Golden Rule violation.

Did you ever stop to consider that perhaps Benoit's fellow co-workers WANTED to do a tribute show. Benoit was well respected backstage and his death shocked everyone. There was a live show planned that week. You think Vince just appears in arenas for fun? Never mind, you would believe anything negative about McMahon. Hey, did you know Vince is watching you and your family, just waiting to put you in a harness and killing you? Watch out, Vince is coming to get you!

You claim you know something about the business, but you don't. The things you mention are absolutely illogical. A "heel" character does whatever it takes to get a reaction out of fans. We've had HBK wipe his nose with the Canadian flag. We had Sgt. Slaughter become an Iraqi sympathizer. He had Mohammed Hassan talk about Arab prejudice and Anti-American views. We had the Nation of Domination talk about whites. We had your lover Bret Hart ridicule Americans. The wrestling industry has always ridiculed something of importance because that gets a reaction out of people. Yet, here you are crying over a damn skit that was SCRIPTED. Boo hoo!

Besides Vince, who else do you hate? You are pointing out HBK, HHH, and others as trying to screw over each other. You mentioned that Benoit didnt have a lot of friends. You stated that wrestlers do not have a lot of friends because of possible screwovers and politics. Gee, looks like there are more people than Vince who are doing the "screwing". Could it just mean that it is the nature of the beast? Yet, Vince gets all the hatred. If you were to become a booker, you would be screwing people over too. You would have to deal with individual personalities, everyone trying to get themselves to the top. You would have to make choices. It is not that simple to say "You will be champion" without pissing someone else off. People would try to "buddy" up with you to make themselves get attention. Do you honestly think you won't be part of the politics. I always figured you were not smart, but naive as well?

As for the Cena sucks chants. Are you deaf? You get Cena sucks chants AND "Let's go Cena" chants. John Cena is a tweener. YES, fans help make the characters heels or faces. The Rock was hated until he started doing his cliches. Rock became wildly popular, then fans started booing him around the same time Brock Lesnar showed up. What happens? Rock becomes a heel again. Are you paying attention? You are showing more and more by the day that you really have no idea about wrestling. This is common sense stuff, yet it escapes you....

Look Slaver tickler, people do not like you. You have shown more and more what kind of individual you are. You take the word of Bret Hart who is doing what? NOTHING. Yet, despite Vince's "screwjobs" and all his evilness, the WWE still exists and keeps on going. Now, who is the smarter man? Vince or a "filler"?

 

[SlaverTickler]

Adam Copeland was born in Canada. Doesn`t that make him a Canadian????

Or does because he now lives in Florida, are you renouncing his canadian citizenship ????

He is the World Champ, the last time I looked and has held the tag-team belts so many times it is amazing. looks to me like he was put over pretty damn well by the WWE.

I will say this again, I am not a big fan of WWE but other than TNA it`s all we got right now. So it is watch that or don`t watch wrestling at all

The point I was trying to make is Vince has them come as from American cities when they are faces and then reverts them back to Canadian when they turn heel. Now can you explain to me why that is?

 

[SlaverTickler]

Slaver, you love talking out of your ass don't you? You are ridiculous man. You can't even come up with your own jokes. You have to imitate mine. You want to educate me on spelling? Because I put "Canadien", instead of "Canadian"? You have more words spelled incorrectly than correctly. You say you paid a 5 year old $10.00 to write for you? You got robbed because he has yet to write one for you.

Now on to the rest of your ridiculous logic. Bret was treated like "filler" not because he's Non-American, it's because he isn't as charismatic as Hogan or Austin. WWE had some of their lowest ratings during the Bret Hart heyday. You know what that means? NO ONE CARED TO WATCH HIM. He had some qualities, but by and large, the general public didn't give a rat's ass about Bret Hart and turned away from wrestling. Vince could push Bret all the live long day, but no one cared. If Bret was really that good, his legacy should have been on par with Hogan or Austin. Hell, he wasn't on the same level as Ric Flair. Bret was, is and will always be a "filler" champion.

How ignorant are you? You ask when has Vince ever given a real push to someone who is "Non-American". Yet, you name several prominent Canadians and point out that they reside in American cities. But fans KNOW where the wrestlers originally hailed from and most of them have won the World title. What the hell are you talking about? Do you think people don't know where Edge, Christian, Benoit, Jericho, etc are from? You're a real fool....

By the way, Shawn didn't win the title at WM 13. That was the Undertaker. I guess you must be as "stupid as Hogan" because you have your facts wrong. See, you're human. Just like Hogan is.......Feel stupid yet? Probably not...

It's not a lame excuse about how the entertainment industry works. IT'S THE NATURE OF THE BEAST. There will be times where unethcial things are done. I even said "Is it right? No." But it is the nature of the industry. You claim you know how the industry works, yet you're surprised and appalled at an entertainment mogul.

Vince does care about things. He is not evil to the core. Why would "evil" Vince even be associated with "Make-A-Wish" foundation? Why would he even put his employees in a damn warzone in Iraq to entertain the troops? Why would he even bother with tribute shows? Oh yeah, "he wants to make money". Tell me, how is he making money by having his employees visit sick kids? How is he making money by having shows in Iraq. You aren't that stupid to think the troops are buying tickets to watch the shows are you? You know, you keep claiming that Vince is out for money, so can you please explain to all of us exactly what is the "making money" strategy by having tribute shows? Go ahead. Or will you be a complete ass and duck the question? Feel like an ass yet?

So, Vince gives Vickie Guerrero a job to squeeze money out of Eddie's name. That is so damn laughable. Vickie could have said "No." That kind of kills that attempt doesn't it?

Wait. It's funny how you keep saying Vince is all about making money. Let's think about Economics 101. Vince is an owner of a company. Vince's "job" is to provide entertainment to millions and millions of people across the world. Now, he has to pay these performers, and crew a good amount of money to put on this brand of entertainment. That calculates to huge loss of income, UNLESS, he compensates for it by charging people like us to watch his programs live in person. That's capitalism you silly fool. Of course Vince wants to make money. He is a BUSINESSMAN for crying out loud. A damn successful one too. Vince is supposed to do this for free at his own expense? Are you really that dense?

Owne's death is an accident. Think about it for a second. These performers actually put their lives on the line everytime they step into the ring. They know the risks. Remember HBK making an entrance similar to Owen's entrance? The stunt was done before. Again, it was an accident. The picture you're trying to paint is as though Vince WANTED Owen to die. It was an accident. Much like your parents on the night....Never mind, that will be a Golden Rule violation.

Did you ever stop to consider that perhaps Benoit's fellow co-workers WANTED to do a tribute show. Benoit was well respected backstage and his death shocked everyone. There was a live show planned that week. You think Vince just appears in arenas for fun? Never mind, you would believe anything negative about McMahon. Hey, did you know Vince is watching you and your family, just waiting to put you in a harness and killing you? Watch out, Vince is coming to get you!

You claim you know something about the business, but you don't. The things you mention are absolutely illogical. A "heel" character does whatever it takes to get a reaction out of fans. We've had HBK wipe his nose with the Canadian flag. We had Sgt. Slaughter become an Iraqi sympathizer. He had Mohammed Hassan talk about Arab prejudice and Anti-American views. We had the Nation of Domination talk about whites. We had your lover Bret Hart ridicule Americans. The wrestling industry has always ridiculed something of importance because that gets a reaction out of people. Yet, here you are crying over a damn skit that was SCRIPTED. Boo hoo!

Besides Vince, who else do you hate? You are pointing out HBK, HHH, and others as trying to screw over each other. You mentioned that Benoit didnt have a lot of friends. You stated that wrestlers do not have a lot of friends because of possible screwovers and politics. Gee, looks like there are more people than Vince who are doing the "screwing". Could it just mean that it is the nature of the beast? Yet, Vince gets all the hatred. If you were to become a booker, you would be screwing people over too. You would have to deal with individual personalities, everyone trying to get themselves to the top. You would have to make choices. It is not that simple to say "You will be champion" without pissing someone else off. People would try to "buddy" up with you to make themselves get attention. Do you honestly think you won't be part of the politics. I always figured you were not smart, but naive as well?

As for the Cena sucks chants. Are you deaf? You get Cena sucks chants AND "Let's go Cena" chants. John Cena is a tweener. YES, fans help make the characters heels or faces. The Rock was hated until he started doing his cliches. Rock became wildly popular, then fans started booing him around the same time Brock Lesnar showed up. What happens? Rock becomes a heel again. Are you paying attention? You are showing more and more by the day that you really have no idea about wrestling. This is common sense stuff, yet it escapes you....

Look Slaver tickler, people do not like you. You have shown more and more what kind of individual you are. You take the word of Bret Hart who is doing what? NOTHING. Yet, despite Vince's "screwjobs" and all his evilness, the WWE still exists and keeps on going. Now, who is the smarter man? Vince or a "filler"?

Well I am not really sure how to respond to most of this because all you did was repeat all the same stuff you said before, and it was wrong then so their is no point in responding to it again. I do however feel sort of stupid for mistaking the WrestleMania's it was Mania 12 not 13, at that one he faced Austin. Other then that I stand by every thing I've said here. I know I am right, and in the long run thats all that matters to me.

 

[primetime]

Of course you have nothing to say. You've had the same viewpoint since you were born. You in your tiny little world may think you're right, but if you ever got involved in the wrestling business, you would see how naive you really are.

You can't even back your your claims of McMahon's "money hunger". You still can't explain why McMahon would even associate with Make-A-Wish Foundation and entertaining troops in Iraq, if all he cared about was humiliating and embarrassing people. You can't explain it because your viewpoint makes no damn sense.

It's funny that now you are at a loss for words. Every chance you get you insult McMahon and WWE fans. You have always been annoying and I am not the first poster to state that fact. Why don't you go find Bret Hart and you both can cry over an incident that happened over 10 years ago. You both can whine and cry about McMahon as he continues to make money and entertain fans as fans forget about Bret Hart. You can always say "Bret Hart was the best filler champion ever!"

Now go back to your hole...Next time you gripe about McMahon (and you will), have a valid argument instead of blind accusations.

 

[SlaverTickler]

Of course you have nothing to say. You've had the same viewpoint since you were born. You in your tiny little world may think you're right, but if you ever got involved in the wrestling business, you would see how naive you really are.

Maybe, unfortunetly we'll never know. It's to bad too, because if I did try it, and failed at it, it would give you a lagit chance to say "I told you so.".

You can't even back your your claims of McMahon's "money hunger". You still can't explain why McMahon would even associate with Make-A-Wish Foundation and entertaining troops in Iraq, if all he cared about was humiliating and embarrassing people. You can't explain it because your viewpoint makes no damn sense.

I've backed it up every step of the way, but when you dealing with someone who is unprincabled, then it is hard to make them see the truth. You have no moral or values (well you value your own grdification, but other then that I mean). You have no respect for the performers, because like McMahon, they are just cattle to you. When his money makers die, he cries (for the camera) and puts on a tribute, and then gets another one from the heard. I am glad the Rock got out, and hope he does well with Disney and that he is the last generation of his family that ever works for a McMahon, I feel bad for Jericho because going back to the WWE simply means another chance for his abilities to be miss used in fudes with no talents like Batista, and gews who can't go like they used aka HBK (thats why his contract has a "No House Show" clause, yet he is still considered a top guy).

It's funny that now you are at a loss for words. Every chance you get you insult McMahon and WWE fans. You have always been annoying and I am not the first poster to state that fact. Why don't you go find Bret Hart and you both can cry over an incident that happened over 10 years ago. You both can whine and cry about McMahon as he continues to make money and entertain fans as fans forget about Bret Hart. You can always say "Bret Hart was the best filler champion ever!"

If my posts have anoyed you and others like you, then when my time comes I will go a happy man.

Now go back to your hole...Next time you gripe about McMahon (and you will), have a valid argument instead of blind accusations

Hey... just cause my place gets a little messy from time to time doesn't make it a hole. Like I said PT, every thing I've said was valis, you just don't have the integratry to realize it. Sorry if the spelling isn't as good as the last time. I just decided you weren't worth the effore of Cutting and Paisting for a spell check.

Be Well
ST

 

[storm7400]

Maybe, unfortunetly we'll never know. It's to bad too, because if I did try it, and failed at it, it would give you a lagit chance to say "I told you so.".




I've backed it up every step of the way, but when you dealing with someone who is unprincabled, then it is hard to make them see the truth. You have no moral or values (well you value your own grdification, but other then that I mean). You have no respect for the performers, because like McMahon, they are just cattle to you. When his money makers die, he cries (for the camera) and puts on a tribute, and then gets another one from the heard. I am glad the Rock got out, and hope he does well with Disney and that he is the last generation of his family that ever works for a McMahon, I feel bad for Jericho because going back to the WWE simply means another chance for his abilities to be miss used in fudes with no talents like Batista, and gews who can't go like they used aka HBK (thats why his contract has a "No House Show" clause, yet he is still considered a top guy).



If my posts have anoyed you and others like you, then when my time comes I will go a happy man.




Hey... just cause my place gets a little messy from time to time doesn't make it a hole. Like I said PT, every thing I've said was valis, you just don't have the integratry to realize it. Sorry if the spelling isn't as good as the last time. I just decided you weren't worth the effore of Cutting and Paisting for a spell check.

Be Well
ST

Seriously stop posting about wrestling. You're lack of knowledge in this area is astounding. All you have is McMahon hatred that corrupts your brain to create a conspiracy theory on every action done in the WWE. McMahon is coming to get you, so do us all a favor and take off the aluminum foil hat and stay out of our WWE threads.

 

[Goodieluver]

The point I was trying to make is Vince has them come as from American cities when they are faces and then reverts them back to Canadian when they turn heel. Now can you explain to me why that is?

For a while undertaker was hailed from parts unknown

I guess at that time he was canadian

 

[FlockOfSeagulls]

The point I was trying to make is Vince has them come as from American cities when they are faces and then reverts them back to Canadian when they turn heel. Now can you explain to me why that is?

Sorry , that is wrong. I have read where Mr. Copeland made the change himself on his hometown.


But he is a huge superstar, and he happens to be from Canada. I don`t care if he is from the U.S. , Canada , Aruba ,the Ivory Coast, or Mars. You are the one hung up on the anti- american wrestler.

 

[primetime]

Slaver, you really need to stop. You know you don't make any sense and things Vince has done has contradicted what you say about him. Again, why would someone who is "evil to the core" (as you insinuate) even bother with charitable organizations? Why would he bother trying to entertain troops abroad? WHY? He doesn't make money doing those things. Plus, you act like all employees in the WWE are sheep and follow everything McMahon says. You act like Bret Hart was the only one who was "smart" enough to see McMahon for who he really is. Bottom line is Bret Hart was a "filler" champion who thought he deserved more credit than what he was given. Hate to break this to you, Vince has seen stars come and go, but he remains.

The sad thing about you is that even your HERO has worked with Vince AGAIN. The same guy who villified McMahon for years. The very same guy that you believe with 100% of your heart and have been sucking his dick since you were a child. Bret Hart was inducted into the WWE Hall Of Fame and worked with McMahon for his DVD. Even Bret Hart was had enough forgiveness in his heart to at least work with Vince again, after he vowed never to work with him again. Yet, here you are villifying the man who helped feed Bret's family for years. You are truly blinded with a stupid rage and have all these expectations of a man. Why aren't you having this same passion for ALL the immoral people of the world? No, you single out Vince. What did Vince do to you personally? Sleep with your girlfriend and they both laughed at you while they made love in front of you? You have way too much hatred for a man who never affected your personal life. Or did he? Sad....

And I have more moral values than you can ever imagine compared to you. Now, go away and again, learn to spell if you ever want to be taken seriously.

 

[Heeko]

Seriously stop posting about wrestling. You're lack of knowledge in this area is astounding. All you have is McMahon hatred that corrupts your brain to create a conspiracy theory on every action done in the WWE. McMahon is coming to get you, so do us all a favor and take off the aluminum foil hat and stay out of our WWE threads.

Maybe Slaver has had too many chair shots to the head growing up (I know, that was just wrong).