I Love the USA!

[IrishTickle1]

I wuoldn't say you have a "fair government" now. The whole "election" fiasco is proof of that. There was 100% positive evidence of election rigging (by BOTH parties!), and the end result in the Gore/Bush election is highly debatable. And when you consider that your own government is now spying on everybodies emails and what they look up in search engines (except on google, cause they are fighting it! Kudos!) you don't have as much freedom as you think.

But hey, you've got American Football, which in my opinion beats soccer (or "football" as the rest of the world calls it 🙂 ) hands down.

 

[IrishTickle1]

That and Tara Reid! :happy:

 

[blackmagicjack1]

you say that because you do not know anyone great elsewhere eh ? 😉
and i'm surprised with such a melting people ( not a secret USA had many different emigrants during a large amount of time ) * sounds weird for a quite "young" country * only ONE major language appears, and the second one is spanish ? is that for real or it is a joke ?

and in your list you forgot Jack Nicholson and Sean Penn ^^

and classic music players like ..... *searches*

still searching

*finds none*

🙂

Au Contraire,

There are some very cool people scattered around this world and through history suchas: Leonardo Davinci, Mozart, Beethoven, Liszt, Shakespeare, Churchill to name a few. But the US seems to have the largest selection of creative talents, especially for a country so young.

 

[blackmagicjack1]

Alexander Gram Bell and Andrew Carnegie were scottish

This is true, but neither one of them reached their potential till they came to the United States. The place is a catalyst for creative minds.

And Arnold Schwarzenegger is Austrian, but I wonder what he would say if you asked him?

Being American isn't about being born in a place, it's an idea

 

[zymankow]

Irish:
I think politics and people are two different things. US political practice nowdays scares me: it's too offensive and arrogant for my taste. But politicans belong to a different race of species, away from ordinary folks. No matter, in which country You live, You will never know, what they hide from You, or where's the twist in their shiny-marvelous speeches.

 

[IrishTickle1]

Irish:
I think politics and people are two different things. US political practice nowdays scares me: it's too offensive and arrogant for my taste. But politicans belong to a different race of species, away from ordinary folks. No matter, in which country You live, You will never know, what they hide from You, or where's the twist in their shiny-marvelous speeches.

I couldn't agree more. You...wait a second... you're not one of them are you! :wooha:

 

[IrishTickle1]

This is true, but neither one of them reached their potential till they came to the United States. The place is a catalyst for creative minds.

Well, the rest of us were doing well long before you 😀 Although I do like your "tv". I find it a fascinating device worthy or study... *gets clipboard and sits down to watch comedy central and playboy channel*

 

[zymankow]

Man, You wounded me!! 😀 No, I'm just a freakin' student, trying to understand things 🙂

 

[Goodieluver]

The United States under George Bush is more corrupt than Nazi Germany under Adolph Hitler. At least Hitler tried to make his country better. He just went about it wrong. George Bush and his equally corrupt brother and father are on the verge of starting World War 3 all to send young men and women to die in Iraq to please the corporate swine who really run this country. Oh and if you still think you have freedom of speech then youre just being naive. There is more censorship in this country and disinformation on the evening news to make a person gag. The good old USA was trying to pass the Patriot Act long before 9/11. Makes one think if perhaps there was some government involvement in those planes crashing doesnt it? It certainly benefited their quest for the passing of the Patroit Act and despicable Homeland Security which reminds one of the SS. America is the devil of the world. Im curious if this post will be deleted or should I say censored like my thread about how sinister the American threat is in the current world. I gotta check on this this evening to see if a different opinion is allowed here.

Last time i checked, President bush didnt try ethnic clensing a race. Heh also, Hitler served in the military and fought in a war, President Bush didnt and Germany used propaganda better than any nation EVER.

Also, the SS was a secret police militia used to put down communism\socialism in Germany and keep trouble makers quiet. Patriot act is a piece of paper that says the government can do stuff to preserve the nation. And really, america the devil, i should point to your country for the devil reference, i mean Germany was the forefront of two major wars and major conflict during the roman times, and the germans trying to establish an empire and murdering 18+ million people....yeah....america is really the devil....GMAFB

Also, can you tell me how world war three would happen? I mean, what nations will heroically ally together to fight the evil US and england and...oh wait, theres the UN and other countries that DONT hate The united states. Worry about your own country, you have neo nazi candidates gaining parlaiment power the past few years and public opinion polls show schroeder aint well liked

 

[Goodieluver]

I have nothing against Jews whatsoever. Just making a comparison. Believe me the Bush administration would do the same thing to citizens of countries like Rwanda which the US wouldnt ahem "liberate" because there is no money to be made by helping Rwanda. In Iraq theres loads of oil. Thats good for Bush's rich Texas friends isnt it? Oh but in your comments those born with a silver spoon oil barons wake up to same day of work as I, a humble elevator repairman....thats just stupid no offense man. Youre backing a mound of cockroaches in your comments sir and for being liberal and not having anything original to say you seemed quite surprised by me comparing the Bush administration to the Nazi Empire. And who are you to apologize to Jews worldwide? That was one of the most arrogant acts ive ever seen!!! Whats next gonna apologize for Hurricane Katrina or the Civil War?

US was in iraq\middle east before president Bush. Plus it would make more sense to invade venuzela anyhow because they are part of the latin oil producing conglomerate rivaling Opec, same hemisphere. Name any country that has a perfect leader and that is not run by the upper class and is a major nation state in the world, you will find none. Every country is run by the rich and exploit weaker more prosperous nations.

Btw i will come out, i am white, middle\poor class college student about to graduate, and i vote majority conservative(depends on the candidate really) and i proudly declare i voted for President Bush. You may disagree with my vote and prob think im some brainwashed minion of society, but nah, I agree with Bush's policy and i disagree with liberal and liberartian policy. Because someone supports the preisdency or supports the government does not make them stupid nor mindless\controlled. Its very easy to look at a nation and say how fucked up their president\PM\chancellor is, but living in the country is different from just observing.

Im glad to be born an American, and glad in the presidency we had after the clinton regime(if u wanna split hairs, the clinton presidency run was more violent and bloody and terroristic than the current president Bush) and glad i can love ticklin and not be shot or jailed for deviance for it or somethin and glad i can be allowed to express my free will in a public forum.

 

[alf1]

Yeah, but thanks to america mass producing tv shows, nobody needs to read anymore 😀

yeah burn books 😉

you mean on D-Day? or just in Normandy in general?

In Normandy it was already enough, maybe on d-day too but i don't know.

what i like BEST about America, huh? well, hard to put my finger on one thing.but to name a few, a great and big country, with diverse people, the freedom issue is a good thing, the most fair government. military superiority is a big plus.

oh damn i'm disseaponted i though you'll mention baseball, football and fast foods + beer

😉

But the US seems to have the largest selection of creative talents, especially for a country so young.

Quite right. USA have Metallica afterall 🙂

 

[IrishTickle1]

Last time i checked, President bush didnt try ethnic clensing a race. Heh also, Hitler served in the military and fought in a war, President Bush didnt and Germany used propaganda better than any nation EVER.

Also, the SS was a secret police militia used to put down communism\socialism in Germany and keep trouble makers quiet. Patriot act is a piece of paper that says the government can do stuff to preserve the nation. And really, america the devil, i should point to your country for the devil reference, i mean Germany was the forefront of two major wars and major conflict during the roman times, and the germans trying to establish an empire and murdering 18+ million people....yeah....america is really the devil....GMAFB

Also, can you tell me how world war three would happen? I mean, what nations will heroically ally together to fight the evil US and england and...oh wait, theres the UN and other countries that DONT hate The united states. Worry about your own country, you have neo nazi candidates gaining parlaiment power the past few years and public opinion polls show schroeder aint well liked

Firstly, to get it out of the way, what does "GMAFB" mean? I'm not up on all the internet abreviations. it took me long enough to get LOL!

Anyway, the Patriot Act makes it legal for the us government to treat anyone in anyway they want. People are being kidnapped, loaded onto planes, sent to foreign countries that allow torture, and the tortured! This is NOT freedom! America has more frredoms that a lot of countries, but you're all prisoners of your own governments, like everyone. It's a fact that can't be stopped without some sort of major revolution. To quote from a comic book, "The people shouldn't be afraid of the government. The government should be afraid of the people!"

As for the wars, they were too closely to connected to seperate them. It's only because of the time period between them that they are called different names. Without the first, the second would never have happened. And There's no point dragging up the Holy Roman Empire. That's like me blaming you for slavery.

And WW3 is imminant. There's no denying it. There is too much distrust in the world to stop it. And there will be very little one on one fighting. It'll all be over in a matter of hours thanks to Americas greatest invention, the WMD. Mutually Assured Destruction or M.A.D. is a sytem that means when one country launches a nuke, they all do. It just takes one little mistake to end the world.

And as for the Iraq thingy, well, it just shouldn't of happened that way at all. The American people were lied to. Hell, I remember a survey of people in the states who basically assumed Iraq was behind Sept 11 and were all for invading Iraq to (as on American soldier I actually met said) "teach those mother f@*#ing Iranies a lesson!" Let's not dwell on the fact that there is no such thing as an Iranie! It was miss-informatino that Hitler would be proud of. But there's no point pointing fingers. Bush is doing what he has to do. He gains power and uses it to gain power for his associates. It's what Clinton did. It's what Reagan did, hell it's what Lincoln did. It's polotics. That's all. People mean nothing in the grand scheme of things, you just need to find the majority and keep them sweet. After that, the others can go die for all they care. They don't matter. That's why in all "developed" countries the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.

 

[jj82277]

I think what goodie was alluding to is the fact that there are really no more major alliances that would oppose the US in any major capacity. I remember having many debates about this in my secondary history courses, and we pretty much agreed that although there are a lot of individual stand offs looming on the horizon, like with north Korea, that more than likely that's all it will ever amount to is individual stand offs one at a time if anything ecause our system of alligianceds with the other major powers in the world is too comoplex to take us on. France Germany and The Uk are like the best friends of yours that you have had a long time, you fight some time, but when worse comes to worse my peoples comes first.

BigNorm, I don't think there can be an argument made for aamore juts american undertaking than our stand in WWII, I mean we did everything but just put up a white flag over the country for us to stay out of that one, and we still had to do it. that was the greatest clearest example of moral domain i have ever seen, the man was slaughtering a race by the thousands every day man, and he was bent on world domination, sometimes you just have to go.

as for america inventing WMD first off i would like to say that it was a Democrat in office, let me repeat democrat, lol. but in all seriousness, we loook at the quartermillion that died in that 3 day span and grimmace, but in the documentaries that i have seen with the plans for domestic totall war that the Japanese had planned i think that he saved about a million lives on each side because they were prepared in conventional combat to fight to the last man woman and child to preserve their honor. we didnt; fight another advisary that commited untill a little skermish called vietnam, we killed 2.5 million of them, they only got about 50,000 of us, and we got tired first.

As for devilution. you do have the same 24 hours. ill prove it. how many of them did you actrually spend working out a planned scheduel with a clear concise mental picture of becoming wealthy in the oil trade. Maybe if you really really tried you would be one of the ones making policy. or ill take it a step further, how many days that you were blessed with did you spend working with your whole heart to become an ellected officilal. maybe if you tried you would be the one we are debating about. i have posted before that of the wealthy 1% only 1% get it through inheritance, the other 99% just managed their time better. now call me a liar.

You failed to answer the most pertinant questions that i asked you. Before we get bent all out of shape about our inboxes, lets not forgett that the revolutionary was wasnt fought for e-mail protection, that was part of it, but the reason that those farmers fught a war against a superpower then that can be compared to what we are now is because they fought for economic self determination, and i feel that America today is far undereducated about the pertinant means of the average person to build the gap between the wealthy and the middle class and the poor through merrit and genrational saving, and instead taught about the fictitious evil force that keeps people down, the african american community of which i belong calls it the man, everyone else calls it the rich, i believe its name is procrastination.

and as for Goodie, if you don't go to law school, give me a call. eager young minds.

and oh yeh, devil, you arent from Germany are you

 

[IrishTickle1]

Earning money isn't as simple as saying, "Hmm today I think I'm going to be rich!" There are an infinite number of things to take into account. It's not a black and white issue, there are a million shades of gray in there. There are millions of people desperately trying to become rich and they fail. Are they lazy?

 

[jj82277]

I would serverly disagree, and so would a guy named napoleon hill. Its not so much saying that i'm goign to be rich, but its developing the mindset that you deserve to and can become wealthy throuhg a median by which you already have the knowledge. I wouldn't classify desperately trying as scratching a lottery ticket.

The reason that i have this conviction and made the statemen that i made is because i personally believe and a lot of my colleguse believe that the competition level in this country is so low that if someone truly persued wealth with all the gifts that god gave him that he would inevidably achieve the level of wealth that that person desired.

to clarify my point, if someone is truly persuing owning their own business in some capacity and developing a specific passive income that they would consider to be wealth, put a plan together, and implement it, it will come to pass. dont sell human potential short. you're right it won't happen over night, but it will happen.

and no im not saying that anyone is lazy, dont get me wrong, I think that Devil is probably very hard working, as are a lot of people, but i think that in America today they don't teach enough about developing an entrepenuerial mindset. My father is the hardest working pweson that i know. He loves laying brick. He loves the men that he works with. He had the same oppurtunity as all the other people that he works with to go home, study, get a masonry license and be the owner of his job, but he was the only one who chose wo do so. and as a result of the way he managed his time his economic position is a little better than theirs, and working with him as a child i noticed the great deal of resentment that all his empoloyees had for him, and i never undersood why.

the vast majority of all new millionaires int his country are first generation americans. I honestly believe that it is no more a case of the fact that in our country you are taught to get a good education and a good job, but people that fight against the elements and the odds do it not for minimum wage, but the oppurunity to freely open up their own business. and that is what the forefathers were fighting for, not drunken rallies, (although they had a few in their day too).

and im still waiting on the three answers.

 

[Goodieluver]

Firstly, to get it out of the way, what does "GMAFB" mean? I'm not up on all the internet abreviations. it took me long enough to get LOL!

Anyway, the Patriot Act makes it legal for the us government to treat anyone in anyway they want. People are being kidnapped, loaded onto planes, sent to foreign countries that allow torture, and the tortured! This is NOT freedom! America has more frredoms that a lot of countries, but you're all prisoners of your own governments, like everyone. It's a fact that can't be stopped without some sort of major revolution. To quote from a comic book, "The people shouldn't be afraid of the government. The government should be afraid of the people!"

As for the wars, they were too closely to connected to seperate them. It's only because of the time period between them that they are called different names. Without the first, the second would never have happened. And There's no point dragging up the Holy Roman Empire. That's like me blaming you for slavery.

And WW3 is imminant. There's no denying it. There is too much distrust in the world to stop it. And there will be very little one on one fighting. It'll all be over in a matter of hours thanks to Americas greatest invention, the WMD. Mutually Assured Destruction or M.A.D. is a sytem that means when one country launches a nuke, they all do. It just takes one little mistake to end the world.

And as for the Iraq thingy, well, it just shouldn't of happened that way at all. The American people were lied to. Hell, I remember a survey of people in the states who basically assumed Iraq was behind Sept 11 and were all for invading Iraq to (as on American soldier I actually met said) "teach those mother f@*#ing Iranies a lesson!" Let's not dwell on the fact that there is no such thing as an Iranie! It was miss-informatino that Hitler would be proud of. But there's no point pointing fingers. Bush is doing what he has to do. He gains power and uses it to gain power for his associates. It's what Clinton did. It's what Reagan did, hell it's what Lincoln did. It's polotics. That's all. People mean nothing in the grand scheme of things, you just need to find the majority and keep them sweet. After that, the others can go die for all they care. They don't matter. That's why in all "developed" countries the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.

GMAFB means "give me a fuckin break"

I wanan ask who would this world war III be between? No super power nation rivals us as an enemy other than China, and they are not involved in this Iraq\terrorism conflict. None of the middle eastern countries have support enough to take on a superpower, also past wars did not have the UN to organize things, so hence why there will be no WWIII, and we came close to missle launches in the cold war, the phrase "two minutes to midnight" I believe this nation is safe from any direct attack by a rogue nation directly

 

[jj82277]

also devil, what history did you use to back up your comments. I think that i missed that part.

another excellet articulate post goodie, are you a rex grossman fan or a Kyle Orton Fan, being born in Gainesville i am kind of biased.

 

[MistressValerie1]

The flame-war part of this thread erupted before I got here and seems to have died down already, but I must remind everyone to keep it civil to avoid having this thread closed or deleted. Everyone is entitled to express his or her opinion but must do so in a civil manner. We strongly encourage all members to carefully read The Rules if in doubt about any of the forum policies.

Thank you in advance for your cooperation.

 

[august spies]

wow, im glad that most people agree that bush is a douchebag. i also agree with camel that progressives need to get more active. hopefully jj will awake from his capitalist fairy tales.

 

[Goodieluver]

wow, im glad that most people agree that bush is a douchebag. i also agree with camel that progressives need to get more active. hopefully jj will awake from his capitalist fairy tales.

What makes you so right?

 

[Camel26]

Whoa guys...let's calm down here...

I think the greatest thing about being a citizen of the USA is the fact that we all have the right to express our opinions--no matter how uninformed, ignorant, or disagreeable they might be to others. Yes, censorship is going overboard at times...but we can still voice opinions...and (I think it was Patrick Henry...but correct me if I'm wrong) I agree with the quote, "I may not agree with what you say, but I will fight to the death for your right to say it" or something along those lines...let's be civil...one of the many reasons why things are so insane in this country is the fact that everyone is so busy fighting, pointing fingers, and badmouthing one another that no one is making an effort to change anything for the better...

So instead of fighting...why don't we, as intelligent adults, try to maybe agree to disagree...and possibly come up with some potential means of effecting change?

 

[BigNorm]

I wuoldn't say you have a "fair government" now. The whole "election" fiasco is proof of that. There was 100% positive evidence of election rigging (by BOTH parties!), and the end result in the Gore/Bush election is highly debatable. And when you consider that your own government is now spying on everybodies emails and what they look up in search engines (except on google, cause they are fighting it! Kudos!) you don't have as much freedom as you think.

sure, our government is not the best, but it sure as hell beats everyone elses, in my opinion, it's better than any country's government that i can think of.

Also, can you tell me how world war three would happen? I mean, what nations will heroically ally together to fight the evil US and england and...oh wait, theres the UN and other countries that DONT hate The united states. Worry about your own country, you have neo nazi candidates gaining parlaiment power the past few years and public opinion polls show schroeder aint well liked

heh, yeah, watch germany start world war 3, that would be typical.

yeah burn books 😉


In Normandy it was already enough, maybe on d-day too but i don't know.



oh damn i'm disseaponted i though you'll mention baseball, football and fast foods + beer

so was your grandfather in the canadian, australian, or british army? and any idea what he did?

and you asked what i like about america, not which american sports or alcoholic beverages i like.

Anyway, the Patriot Act makes it legal for the us government to treat anyone in anyway they want. People are being kidnapped, loaded onto planes, sent to foreign countries that allow torture, and the tortured! This is NOT freedom! America has more frredoms that a lot of countries, but you're all prisoners of your own governments, like everyone. It's a fact that can't be stopped without some sort of major revolution. To quote from a comic book, "The people shouldn't be afraid of the government. The government should be afraid of the people!"

i don't know if any of that is really happening, but i'll tell you this, i'd rather live in america than any country in the world. any country.

 

[alf1]

heh, yeah, watch germany start world war 3, that would be typical

they will just host a world CUP not war 😉 in football
soccer i mean

 

[Fire_Sprite]

Whoa guys...let's calm down here...

I think the greatest thing about being a citizen of the USA is the fact that we all have the right to express our opinions--no matter how uninformed, ignorant, or disagreeable they might be to others.

Thats really just a publicized American emotion. I've asked pen pals from all over the world and no country any of them live in punishes people for having a disagreeable opinion. They may punish people for acting on them but we're no different in that sense.

 

[Goodieluver]

Whoa guys...let's calm down here...

I think the greatest thing about being a citizen of the USA is the fact that we all have the right to express our opinions--no matter how uninformed, ignorant, or disagreeable they might be to others. Yes, censorship is going overboard at times...but we can still voice opinions...and (I think it was Patrick Henry...but correct me if I'm wrong) I agree with the quote, "I may not agree with what you say, but I will fight to the death for your right to say it" or something along those lines...let's be civil...one of the many reasons why things are so insane in this country is the fact that everyone is so busy fighting, pointing fingers, and badmouthing one another that no one is making an effort to change anything for the better...

So instead of fighting...why don't we, as intelligent adults, try to maybe agree to disagree...and possibly come up with some potential means of effecting change?

Actually, i believe it was voltaire who said "though i dont agree with what you say i will fight to the death your right to say it", just clarifying