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Bignorm868 said:
heh, yeah, watch germany start world war 3, that would be typical.
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I think it was eddie izzard or robin williams who joked saying whenever conflict arrises we should parachute japanese in there "Hey, we done this before, calm down, its not worth it!"
 
Fire Sprite said:
Thats really just a publicized American emotion. I've asked pen pals from all over the world and no country any of them live in punishes people for having a disagreeable opinion. They may punish people for acting on them but we're no different in that sense.

Who has been punished for their opinion here? We have liberals, conservatives, ,moderates,anarchists in this nation and even on this thread, none of them are being imprisoned. Back in the day, a woman feeling she wanted to show her face or be independant in several middle eastern countries could be stoned just for that reason
 
Fire Sprite said:
Thats really just a publicized American emotion. I've asked pen pals from all over the world and no country any of them live in punishes people for having a disagreeable opinion. They may punish people for acting on them but we're no different in that sense.

Sure. I think the mere fact that Nazism could be discussed here in Germany when its thought of one of our darkest periods proves that. I mean you cant discuss Nazism unless youre damning it in the USA. Here we have a Nazi party that is rapidly gaining power becaue we miss the brotherhood of it. Try writing a pro-Nazi letter to the american papers...hell try writing a pro-Nazi thread on this site and watch how quickly itll be swept under the rug. So all this US cheerleading about freedom of speech is just a bag of wind in my opinion. If someone were to say something positive about Bin Laden or an american enemy hed have the infamous "Homeland Security" up his ass faster than a hemorrhoid. Im glad I dont live in america or id have the US officials on me just for mentioning things like these. Americans are living in fear and the only way they can remain safe is to resort to much of the cheerleading like this thread has with cliches like "good ol' USA" and "old glory flyin'" I dont blame you guys really...if I lived there id be singing the scar spangled banner while nervously looking over my shoulder as well.
 
to clarify my point, if someone is truly persuing owning their own business in some capacity and developing a specific passive income that they would consider to be wealth, put a plan together, and implement it, it will come to pass. dont sell human potential short. you're right it won't happen over night, but it will happen.

If that were true, then there would be millionaires left right and centre. The world doesn't work like that. Yes, some people do make good, and well for them, but everybody tries to make it, and the majority fail. It's a fact of life. Simply trying isn't enough. Everything has to go your way. Faith, god or Karma, call it what you like, but you still need it to make it.

goodieluver said:
GMAFB means "give me a fuckin break"

Thanks for that. I'll add it to my list! 😀

goodieluver said:
I wanan ask who would this world war III be between?

Iran have just reactivated their nuclear power stations. Imagine this. America, takes the first step, assuming Iran is about to sell nukes to terrorists. Us soldiers invade, cities blown apart, lots of people die, similar to Iraq. The only difference is that Iran has nukes. In a fit of rage they send one your way. Before it hits, the US retaliates. Other countries see an opportunity. North Korea makes a swipe at the US. India launches at Pakistan, claiming that Pakistan was hiding terrorists. Pakistan retaliates. Israel invades Palistine. This goes on and on. This is just one example how escalation can wipe out the majority of the world, all because of one nation doing what it's leaders thought was right.

And the UN is impotent. They do nothing. When a war breaks out, they'll have committees for about 3 months and then decide to fine those involved!

Bignorm868 said:
sure, our government is not the best, but it sure as hell beats everyone elses, in my opinion, it's better than any country's government that i can think of.

In fairness, there are many better systems all over the world. Each has it's pros and cons. If you lived in Cuba you'd claim that was the best. If you lived in North Korea you'd do the same (although, probably because they'd kill you if you didn't!).

Oh, and I love the new sig! 😀


goodieluver said:
Who has been punished for their opinion here? We have liberals, conservatives, ,moderates,anarchists in this nation and even on this thread, none of them are being imprisoned. Back in the day, a woman feeling she wanted to show her face or be independant in several middle eastern countries could be stoned just for that reason

Infairness that's the way their religion works. It's extreme by western standards, but Christians worship a corpse nailed to two planks of wood. Questioning peoples beliefs is an entirely different thread more suited to the TMF where everyone argues 😀

Sure. I think the mere fact that Nazism could be discussed here in Germany when its thought of one of our darkest periods proves that. I mean you cant discuss Nazism unless youre damning it in the USA. Here we have a Nazi party that is rapidly gaining power becaue we miss the brotherhood of it. Try writing a pro-Nazi letter to the american papers...hell try writing a pro-Nazi thread on this site and watch how quickly itll be swept under the rug. So all this US cheerleading about freedom of speech is just a bag of wind in my opinion. If someone were to say something positive about Bin Laden or an american enemy hed have the infamous "Homeland Security" up his ass faster than a hemorrhoid. Im glad I dont live in america or id have the US officials on me just for mentioning things like these. Americans are living in fear and the only way they can remain safe is to resort to much of the cheerleading like this thread has with cliches like "good ol' USA" and "old glory flyin'" I dont blame you guys really...if I lived there id be singing the scar spangled banner while nervously looking over my shoulder as well.

And yep, that's trolling!
 
Thats cool cuz im done discussing politics anyway. Frankly it bores me. I just enjoy making fun of the USA when they have million dollar celebrations for Mickey Mouses' birthday and still have a staggering homeless problem. If you lived outside the US youd enjoy gloating over the state of Bush's america too. Ok thanx everyone! :happy:
 
I dunno about the rest of the US citizens here...but I'm not afraid...I'm not saying/doing anything to alert Homeland Security...sure, I think they go overboard...but I'm not afraid they're going to get up my ass like a hemorrhoid, as was so eloquently stated...

I'm not sitting here slamming anyone else's country--and it's because of YOUR country and it's former ignorant leaders, and the ones coming up now, that more than half of my family is gone...don't profess to know everything about a country/situation that you have never been a part of...I don't agree with my own government most of the time...nor do I agree with what many governments from many countries do...but I'm not sitting on a website posting inflammatory material just to get my rocks off by getting a rise out of people...

Get a hobby.

And if you're going to knock the optimism of my fellow Americans in times when we're in a war that many don't agree with, and the government is going to shit, well, I hope you can boast the same when the Nazi party reclaims your country in a few years...
 
goodieluver said:
I think it was eddie izzard or robin williams who joked saying whenever conflict arrises we should parachute japanese in there "Hey, we done this before, calm down, its not worth it!"

haha ya! i remember some comedy sketch from MAD TV, where all the world's bad guy leaders had a meeting or something, and saddam hussein and other al queda guys wanted to attack america, and the japanese guy was like " nooo, trust us, you don't wanna do that, we dropped many bombs on them, and they drop 2, just 2 bombs on us and we surrendered."
 
IrishTickle said:
In fairness, there are many better systems all over the world. Each has it's pros and cons. If you lived in Cuba you'd claim that was the best. If you lived in North Korea you'd do the same (although, probably because they'd kill you if you didn't!).

Oh, and I love the new sig! 😀

yeah, your probably right, there.

glad you like the new sig, i knew it would be a sure fire hit when i stumbled upon it.

Camel26 said:
I dunno about the rest of the US citizens here...but I'm not afraid...I'm not saying/doing anything to alert Homeland Security...sure, I think they go overboard...but I'm not afraid they're going to get up my ass like a hemorrhoid, as was so eloquently stated...

I'm not sitting here slamming anyone else's country--and it's because of YOUR country and it's former ignorant leaders, and the ones coming up now, that more than half of my family is gone...don't profess to know everything about a country/situation that you have never been a part of...I don't agree with my own government most of the time...nor do I agree with what many governments from many countries do...but I'm not sitting on a website posting inflammatory material just to get my rocks off by getting a rise out of people...

Get a hobby.

And if you're going to knock the optimism of my fellow Americans in times when we're in a war that many don't agree with, and the government is going to shit, well, I hope you can boast the same when the Nazi party reclaims your country in a few years...

camel's got a point, i'm not one to rise to anger, but don't flame america. i don't care where you live, but comparing hitler to bush is just wrong, and offensive to all americans. and because of previous german leaders and nazis, my family had to move from holland and even change their name to escape and survive the german onslaught.

and for christsake, get the damn burning flag avatar of your profile, that's just wrong. would you like it if i posted a pic of someone burning or pissing on the german flag?
 
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Irish, define try. Every person has reached a noteworthy level of success says the same thing. Think and Grow rich, rich dad poor dad, beyond positive thinking, they all say exactly the same. If you truly set your mind on a specifically defined goal, and persue it with all your ability you have no choice but to succeed.

If someone since the time they were five wanted to be a teacher, and the studid really hard made good grades and went to college and got a degree they would be a teacher. where is the luck in that.

if someone wanted to own a small business, all they would have to do is work hard save enough money to get the appropriate license, and do it. it might not work the first second or third time, but if someone develops the mindset that they want to own their own small business then they will just keep trying and trying untill it works.

If someone is commited to being the CEO of a foturne 50 company then they would never leave the house from the time they were 14 their freshman year of highschool make str8 a's go to college, then to business school, work their way up and boom, they're a CEO.

If someone wanted to be a doctor, make the grades and go to med School.

there is no such thing as luck, there is the guarentee that proper prior preperation will eventually meet with oppurtunity.

Show me one person who devoted their entire life to the diligence of a clearly defined goal, not just saying i want to have this with no plan, but to a clearly defined goal with a well researched plan and i will show you someone who is succesful. that is what america is al about.
 
Devil, I dont completely understand what you are saying. are you really upset that no one would appreciate the idea of a pro NAZI essay. is this really the level of discussion that we have degenated too, what possible merrit could a pro NAZI as in the ultaracist extermination people who wanted to rule the world essay bring to the world. and if you are that desperate for brotherhood i suggest you join a fraternity, or start a club and not mass murder peolple again, that would be a real drag.

And Punk, when you work hard enough fairy tales do come true, that's my job.
 
America is no different from any European country: they all think that their own country is the best of all. Doesn't Germany say "Deutschland über alles" (Germany above all else)? The only problem is that everyone is the same, and sometimes people forget that. America is superior to most others for their size and perhaps military power. But the freedom there is the smaller than in some other countries, and way, way bigger than in yet others. In most states there's still no gay marriage, no softdrugs, no smoking, no badmouthing your own president.

What worries me is how fanatical the American people are. They seem (seem) to think they're the only ones with freedom of speech, and their goverment is not very good at making friends. They don't make friends, they demand friends. The "with us or against us" thing scares me the most. Almost like "You will be assimilated". Also, I think the American goverment is too powerful in America itself. The whole media-manipulation is just plain bad. So my opinion is: more power to the people.

So... to make a long story short:

American goverment: bad
American media: bad
American people: good, in general.
 
Катюша said:
America is no different from any European country: they all think that their own country is the best of all. Doesn't Germany say "Deutschland über alles" (Germany above all else)? The only problem is that everyone is the same, and sometimes people forget that. America is superior to most others for their size and perhaps military power. But the freedom there is the smaller than in some other countries, and way, way bigger than in yet others. In most states there's still no gay marriage, no softdrugs, no smoking, no badmouthing your own president.

What worries me is how fanatical the American people are. They seem (seem) to think they're the only ones with freedom of speech, and their goverment is not very good at making friends. They don't make friends, they demand friends. The "with us or against us" thing scares me the most. Almost like "You will be assimilated". Also, I think the American goverment is too powerful in America itself. The whole media-manipulation is just plain bad. So my opinion is: more power to the people.

So... to make a long story short:

American goverment: bad
American media: bad
American people: good, in general.

alota interesting points there. except americans don't "demand" friends.

we know america is good cause, like me, i haven't been to any other country, so how the hell should i know? even if another country is better, i'd still rather choose to live here, cause i love it here. sure our government is corrupt and corrupts the media, sure it may seem we have many flaws. but i love it anyway.

and how did we get from the title "I love the USA" to downing the USA? seriously, let's just stick to the topic, before i start pointing out the flaws in every other country on the planet.
 
It's amazing how a light hearted thread got so serious so soon!
I have too much to be thankful for to complain much...however being proactive to better my surroundings is another story.....i'll save that for later. But for now these are my light hearted reasons for loving this country that has adopted my family
1)apple pie
2)daisey dukes
3)mustangs, corvettes
4)miller light
5)football
6)women's rights!
7)EOE employers
8)fake boobs
9)pittsburgh steelers
10)Will Ferrell
11)spring break
12)body shots
13)fraternity brothers
14)tickling forums and the open minded optimistic people that frequent them
15)and we have the most beautifully ticklish women in the world!
till next time
GQguy
 
jj82277 said:
Irish, define try. Every person has reached a noteworthy level of success says the same thing. Think and Grow rich, rich dad poor dad, beyond positive thinking, they all say exactly the same. If you truly set your mind on a specifically defined goal, and persue it with all your ability you have no choice but to succeed.

If someone since the time they were five wanted to be a teacher, and the studid really hard made good grades and went to college and got a degree they would be a teacher. where is the luck in that.

if someone wanted to own a small business, all they would have to do is work hard save enough money to get the appropriate license, and do it. it might not work the first second or third time, but if someone develops the mindset that they want to own their own small business then they will just keep trying and trying untill it works.

If someone is commited to being the CEO of a foturne 50 company then they would never leave the house from the time they were 14 their freshman year of highschool make str8 a's go to college, then to business school, work their way up and boom, they're a CEO.

If someone wanted to be a doctor, make the grades and go to med School.

there is no such thing as luck, there is the guarentee that proper prior preperation will eventually meet with oppurtunity.

Show me one person who devoted their entire life to the diligence of a clearly defined goal, not just saying i want to have this with no plan, but to a clearly defined goal with a well researched plan and i will show you someone who is succesful. that is what america is al about.


Well, imagine I wanted to be an astronaut. I keep fit, study hard in school, then college. I ace all my exams. I apply to NASA or ESA and they see that I'm a genius and would be perfect. I go through all the training and they finally say that I'm going to go into space. I'm ecstatic. But on the way home I get hit by a car. My back is broken. I'll spend the rest of my life attached to a ventillator. I will never go into space. There. A bit of bad luck destroyed years of training and studying.
 
true, in this case a certain set of outside circumstance inerfered, but the person still succeeded. would you say that the person would have been better off not fully devoting himself.

My argument would be of all the people who want to be astronauts how many of the people went through the process that you articulated. God ofcourse has a place in all things that happen, but in most cases such catastrophic circumstances are not what keep people from success.
 
Well actually, the person didn't succeed. They wanted to go into space and didn't get there. Now, I agree it's better to try and fail than not try at all, but it just doesn't always work out that way.

You see, hundreds of people can try and be astronauts in this example, but for various reasons not achieve their goal. If there is only on person being taken on, and 100 people eligible applicants try out for it, there is still going to be 99 people who don't get in. And it doesn't matter how hard they tried, they still won't get it.

And there is also the case of people who are not equiped for something trying and failing. For example, you mentioned you father started his own business? But what if, after all the hard work he put into it, he was misinformed about something or if someone had ripped him off, taken his money and flown to cuba. He would fail in his goal.

I just think there are too many variables to say that if you try you'll succeed, but I guess we have no choice but to try anyway. 🙂

Anyway, how did we manage to get off topic to such an extreme 😀
 
IrishTickle said:
Anyway, how did we manage to get off topic to such an extreme 😀

Napolean Hill.


Anyways I'll give my idealist view point on this. Success can be hard things to measure because goals can change, like your example. Obviously the guy is no longer going to be astronaut, but is his career in that field over? I would say not, he has trained hard for this and has knowledge, if he can't go into space he certainly can help others do so. I would say success is what brings us joy and as you said we can only try or even do. That's the important part anyway.

Now another reason I love the USA: Baseball and Hooters
 
as a matter of fact, that did happen to my father when he was in the engineering business. i think that an astronaut is a bad example because once again, an astronaut is just another overglorified employee.

What i was talking about and my father is a perfect example, if you sell out to the endevour of owning a business that works when you are not there, most of the unexpected pitfalls that you so eloquently illustrated wouldn't matter, if one hting fails then you try another. thats how he succeeded, thats how i startedd my business, and thats how a lot of people succeeded.

It's like this, if you were guarenteed that in three years that you would on a business that owuld pay you as much money as you ever wanted, and that you and your wife would stay married untill you died, and that your kids would loe and respect you, that's what everyone wants, and takes a few steps to get.

but the truth of it is that in those three years you will try 2 businesses and they will both fail miserably, everything that you try will go wrong, lightning will hit the store, you will be hospitalized for 3 months and your marriage ill suffer tremendously from the lack of success over that three year eriod, would you be willing to go through the pain that it takes.

Christ told peter to keep your eyes on me as he told him to wal on water, which is an impossible obstacle for a human being. but because of his faith, and his concentraiton on the clear concise mental destination (Christ) and his lack of focus on the obstacle (the water) he could overcome it, and as soon as he focussed on the obstacle he fell. now i know that we are adressing people of a lot of different faiths, I myself take the story as literall and 100% true, but the intent of the story was the illustration that if you focus on a thing and make it a sol focu then no matter what external forces may arise then you will overcome it

and as for the origional astronaut, did you ever see a movie called Men of honor about the deep see diver that used a prosthetic leg when his got torn off to achieve his dream, if the astronaut wanted it bad enough he could a design a suit that could function as his legs, or b wait untill a time in which space flight could support man with no use of his lower extremities, it wouldnt matter that much in space.
 
And also, Germany was merely a couple of months of developing a nuclear long ranged bomber that would have levelled many American cities. It was due to a few very minor details that this never happened. (Lucky thing, I guess). Anyway, I'd just like to thank America for the Discovery Channel, which teaches me all these facts


Also Germany had far more devoloped infantry than the US, as well as better trained soldiers. Germany was only exhausted by being in state of war for that long against the Russians, the Free French, the British, the Resistance, etc... they didn't stand a chance against their superiour numbers. Hitler's last hope was the Invasion in the Ardennes which the Allied Forces succesfully managed to repell. The crucial turn was made before during D-day, though I could say the occupation to the Eastern Front as well as the sudden and foolish surprise of Japan trying to destroy the American fleet when they were in a state of neutrality, making the US join the Allied Forces against the Axis played a even more vital role.

By technology you cannot say the German were inferiour, just seeing an American soldier of that era next to a German one says enough. Of course, that makes the deeds of the US all the more glorious. It isn't for nothing many of the older Western Europeans who have lived during the War are the rare exceptions who love Americans very still despite Bush's government. They remember harsh times after the Liberation after the British, American and other western allied forces (the Russians are a different matter entirely, no explanation required) recaptured Europe, but a positive evolution of the atmosphere and times of hope as well.


This is true, but neither one of them reached their potential till they came to the United States. The place is a catalyst for creative minds.


But, what about a pharmaceutic genious as Paul Janssen? He studied in NY because the technology on pharmaceutics and chemistry in the US generally was farly more developed than that in whole Europe. After that he moved back to Belgium to found Janssen Pharmaceutica in Beerse, Belgium to later start up another one in the US. After the death of Mao Ze-tong he also moved to China to improve the medical evolution there. He also nearly succeeded in finding the cure against HIV, that was one of his greatest goals he didn't manage to futfill after his passing out in 2003.

Of all pharmaceutics who have lived thus far, he's the greatest in my eyes, having earned 22 honorary degrees and 5 professorary (?) degrees in his life. He also invented/developed more than 80 new medicines (for your information he was the one responsible making an end of the electro-treatments and straight-jacket solution of scizophrenics in the psychiatry, he also encouraged other pharmaceutics in finding better threatments for psychosis)
 
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witproduct said:
Also Germany had far more devoloped infantry than the US, as well as better trained soldiers. Germany was only exhausted by being in state of war for that long against the Russians, the Free French, the British, the Resistance, etc... they didn't stand a chance against their superiour numbers. Hitler's last hope was the Invasion in the Ardennes which the Allied Forces succesfully managed to repell. The crucial turn was made before during D-day, though I could say the occupation to the Eastern Front as well as the sudden and foolish surprise of Japan trying to destroy the American fleet when they were in a state of neutrality, making the US join the Allied Forces against the Axis played a even more vital role.

By technology you cannot say the German were inferiour, just seeing an American soldier of that era next to a German one says enough. Of course, that makes the deeds of the US all the more glorious. It isn't for nothing many of the older Western Europeans who have lived during the War are the rare exceptions who love Americans very still despite Bush's government. They remember harsh times after the Liberation after the British, American and other western allied forces (the Russians are a different matter entirely, no explanation required) recaptured Europe, but a positive evolution of the atmosphere and times of hope as well.

Also,there tanks could outshoot the western allies Hell,ours could get up to point blank range and the 75mm or 76mm shells would bounce off the frontal armor on a Tiger or a Panther

As for me I like driving big rig here in the U.S. Been to all 48 continental states 😀
 
Well,
I used the astronaut analagy to show an extreme, but it's applicable to any job. You can be perfectly suited to a job, but for one reason or another you may not get it. You could be gay and the only person who can get you what you need is a homophobe, or you could be disabled and have trouble in that regard. As I said there are too many variables.

You said:
It's like this, if you were guarenteed that in three years that you would on a business that owuld pay you as much money as you ever wanted, and that you and your wife would stay married untill you died, and that your kids would loe and respect you, that's what everyone wants, and takes a few steps to get.

What if your wife meets someone who they immediately realise they were meant to be with? Then they leave you and shack up with that guy (or girl). You're plans are ruined. You can try and find another woman to settle down and live happily ever after, but it's even easier to find that illusive perfect job than it is to find the perfect partner.

To be honest, I can see you are a religious person from your other replies here. I'm an athiest and as one, we always look on the negitive side of things. It's how we compensate! 😀


And as for witproduct, am I to assume the great American Discovery Channel helped with that answer? 😀
 
Damn this thread is still going on? I can see its WAY off topic. Well at least I can say that here on the TTC I am the man who made america nothing more than a joke. I proved its horrendous practice of government and laughable democracy and urinated on its warlike tendencies. Homeland Security aint welcome here in Deutchland boys and girls!! Oh and dont get me started on Christ!! Theres more evidence of the tooth fairy then there is of Jesus Christs "miraculous resurrection." What scares me about religion is that actual adults read these fairy tales in the Bible such as a parting of an actual sea for "the chosen ones" and believe it unquestioning without any need of proof. Freaky! :laughing:
 
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Devilution said:
Damn this thread is still going on? I can see its WAY off topic. Well at least I can say that here on the TTC I am the man who made america nothing more than a joke. I proved its horrendous practice of government and laughable democracy and urinated on its warlike tendencies. Homeland Security aint welcome here in Deutchland boys and girls!! Oh and dont get me started on Christ!! Theres more evidence of the tooth fairy then there is of Jesus Christs "miraculous resurrection." What scares me about religion is that actual adults read these fairy tales in the Bible such as a parting of an actual sea for "the chosen ones" and believe it unquestioning without any need of proof. Freaky! :laughing:

yea it it werent for the religious fanatacism a lot of evil shit that this country does couldnt happen
 
IrishTickle said:
And as for witproduct, am I to assume the great American Discovery Channel helped with that answer?

Worse, history books which are doubtlesly influenced by the infamous all-ruling Channel. Well, about documentaries: I used to watch National Geographic a lot, but now it seems that Discovery is gaining terrain from them over here.

Devilution said:
What scares me about religion is that actual adults read these fairy tales in the Bible such as a parting of an actual sea for "the chosen ones" and believe it unquestioning without any need of proof. Freaky

You are right! What is more shocking: people who believe Darwinist scientists have put bones of dinosaurs and other prehistoric creatures older than 10,000 years under the ground themselves to fanatically prove their right. That only because these madmen take everything for literally serious of what is written in the Bible (especially the highly fictional Hebrew Bible/Old Testament). According to them the children of Adam and Eve have commited incest in order to populate our Earth a planet. Oh, the absurdness!

These specific minority groups of christians should take an example of the Jewish way of thinking: it is no sin to question the word of God, because it only deepens your insight. God is perfect, also complex and very abstract.
 
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