I Love the USA!

[BigNorm]

And also, Germany was merely a couple of months of developing a nuclear long ranged bomber that would have levelled many American cities. It was due to a few very minor details that this never happened. (Lucky thing, I guess). Anyway, I'd just like to thank America for the Discovery Channel, which teaches me all these facts

no.

A. the nazi's didn't even try at a nuclear program, so they had no nukes or any nuclear program at all.

B. they DID develop a massive trans-Atlantic bomber that was probably the size of a modern 747, if i remeber correctly, had 6 or so engines. it was huge for the time back then. they had rought 5-8 of them buitl, but thanks to american and british sabatours, they destroyed the handful of prototypes before they could be mass produced.

 

[Goodieluver]

no.

A. the nazi's didn't even try at a nuclear program, so they had no nukes or any nuclear program at all.

B. they DID develop a massive trans-Atlantic bomber that was probably the size of a modern 747, if i remeber correctly, had 6 or so engines. it was huge for the time back then. they had rought 5-8 of them buitl, but thanks to american and british sabatours, they destroyed the handful of prototypes before they could be mass produced.

Whats eerie is germany developed the first jet bomber\fighter, the mesershcmit 262 and the first balistic missle, given another 6 months to a year, scary what they coulda developed

As for people in this thread who discusses the corruptness of america, justify iraq\uday hussein torturing iraq olympiads who didnt get the gold for Iraq

 

[-Kunoke-]

I think I'm going to post this...just for the hell of it.

Here's some stuff about our good pal Georgy.

This is all from the News/Paper, all true because the news can't lie, under law.

1. He cut a half a BILLION dollars from the Environmental Protection Agency' s budget. Who needs to look after the environment when there's all that oil drilling going on, right?
2. He approved a bill that denies financial aid to students convicted of misdemeanor drug charges (though convicted murderers are still eligible for financial aid).
3. He recently sent a delegation to the UN children' s summit to declare that the use of condoms is not a valid way to fight AIDS and that abstinence is the only solution. This is the view shared by some other countries such as Iran, Iraq, Sudan, Libya, Syria, and the Vatican. It seems that his policy of, "No child shall be left behind" has a whole new meaning.
4. He wouldn't sign the Kyoto Protocol agreement on global warming, which was ultimately signed by 178 other countries. He also told the entire European community that he would listen to their arguments, but he would not change his mind, effectively treating Europe like an 8 year old child. This may have something to do with why most of the world hates the US.
5. He rejected an international accord to enforce the 1972 treaty banning germ warfare. Of course that would mean that the US would have to stop producing biological agents too.
6. And talk about the fox watching over the hen house, he nominated former mining company executive Dan Lauriski as Assistant Secretary of Labor for Mine Safety and Health.
7. He allocated only 3% of the amount requested by Justice Department lawyers in the governments continued litigation against tobacco companies.
8. He prohibited any financial aid from going to international family planning organizations that provide abortion counseling, referrals, or services with their own funds.
9. He provided every member of the Bin Laden family living in the U.S. a chartered plane shortly after 9/11 to fly back home to Saudi Arabia without questioning them. One of GW' s first petroleum venture was partnered with the Bin Laden family and George Sr. has been getting filthy rich selling defense contracts to the Bin Ladens. These are just some examples of the many ties the Bush family has with the Bin Ladens.
10. He officially withdrew from the 1972 Antiballistic Missile Treaty, gutting the landmark agreement-the first time in the nuclear era that the US renounced a major arms control accord.
11. Refused to join 123 nations pledged to ban the use and production of anti-personnel bombs and mines, February 2001
12. September 2001: withdrew from International Conference on Racism, bringing together 163 countries in Durban, South Africa
13. International Plan for Cleaner Energy: G-8 group of industrial nations (US, Canada, Japan, Russia, Germany, France, Italy, UK), July 2001: the US was the only one to oppose it.
14. George replied, "Ken who?" when asked about his relationship with Kenneth Lay, the CEO of Enron, during the federal bankruptcy hearings. This was after Enron gave him their company jet to use for his presidential campaign. George and Kenny were such good friends that Ken was actually seen giving wedgies to the president in the oval office. Yet he still replied, "Ken who?"
15. And the big one for all you lovely Army People. He cut Health Insurance for WAR VETERANS.

If there are any GWB supporters out there now...that should just about silence it.

Ok seriously, the war on terrorism was one thing, we had every right to chase after Osama Bin Laden. But do you have any idea what we really did? We went over to this Afganistan place, and we bombed the shit out of everything, just because he was in the general area, somewhere hiding in the mountains. Even though no one in the whole place except the Taliban had ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT, we bombed the shit out of them. And not just men. Mothers and children too. Whole cities. What do we have to show for it? Osama Bin Laden is still out there, we didn't get him. Might I add that he's ACTUALLY Iranian, and not from Afganistan at all? Yeah.

Think about how much Bush has caused, all the things he's done to screw us over. I was watching the news today, and the General of North Korea said if we decide to screw with them, they'll drop nukes on us in self defense. Does Bush look smart now? Wake UP. War isn't something you just do because you want to be a hero. We didn't have ANY right to march into Iraq and involve ourselves. Even when we had a reason to go to war after 9/11, Bush managed to fuck that up. He's a low life idiot who's looking for his glory but just makes everyone hate us more.

I hope to god that our next president is at least somewhat competant. Maybe we can make up for all this bullshit Bush has put us in, and keep people from dropping nukes on us.

As far as Iraq having weapons of mass destruction, no, no they didn't. For anyone to even still be SUGGESTING such things is ridiculous.

Anyone who actually knows what the hell is going on would know that before we went in, we sent secret agents into all the places Iraq could hide them safely, and there was nothing. They came back and reported to Bush, one of which was the husband of that woman from the CIA who was outed. That guy got on national television and told everyone that they had found nothing. The next day, Bush got on television as well, and immidiately declared that Iraq had the weapons, and that we were rushing in to stop him. After we got Saddam, still no weapons. Months later, still no weapons. To this very day, no weapons. There weren't any weapons. Bush lied to us all so he could look patriotic, and it's not just an accusation, it's the truth. And if that doesn't convince you that George Bush is an asswipe, I'm sure someone else around here has some information I didn't include.

He doesn't have an approval rate under 40% for nothing.

Okay. I'm done. Said all I needed to say.

 

[Devilution1]

Whats eerie is germany developed the first jet bomber\fighter, the mesershcmit 262 and the first balistic missle, given another 6 months to a year, scary what they coulda developed

As for people in this thread who discusses the corruptness of america, justify iraq\uday hussein torturing iraq olympiads who didnt get the gold for Iraq

Hey Saddam wanted to win! I wanted to torture the 1998 Cincinatti Bengals for losing the Superbowl. What im glad to see is that a lot of people agree with me about the obsoleteness of religion. In 50 or 60 years Christianity will be no different than the the ancient Greeks worshipping Zeus and finally figuring out that there is no Pantheon of gods on Mount Olympus. Religion is only meant to scare you anyway. Do what God wants which includes torturing and murder (only when it benefits God though) and youll go to heaven. Failure to do this will lead you to a fiery pit where youll burn and suffer for all eternity. This is a supreme being? If thats the best God can do im not impressed.

 

[-Kunoke-]

Hey Saddam wanted to win! I wanted to torture the 1998 Cincinatti Bengals for losing the Superbowl. What im glad to see is that a lot of people agree with me about the obsoleteness of religion. In 50 or 60 years Christianity will be no different than the the ancient Greeks worshipping Zeus and finally figuring out that there is no Pantheon of gods on Mount Olympus. Religion is only meant to scare you anyway. Do what God wants which includes torturing and murder (only when it benefits God though) and youll go to heaven. Failure to do this will lead you to a fiery pit where youll burn and suffer for all eternity. This is a supreme being? If thats the best God can do im not impressed.

Unfortuneatly I'll have to agree. I really don't like to bash religion because that tends to start ranting arguements that can last weeks. But, I will have to agree. I'm an Agnostic myself...

 

[IrishTickle1]

A. the nazi's didn't even try at a nuclear program, so they had no nukes or any nuclear program at all.

They were actually incredibly close. The main thing they needed was specially treated hard water taht took quite a bit of effort to get. A group of scandinavian commandoes managed to destroy a crucial shipment in, i think, Trondheim, which effectively destroyed Hitlers attempts to create the bombs. I think D-Day came soon after and all efforts were made to counter the attack rather than obtain and manufacture more of the hard water. So D-Day is another thing to like about America! 😀

Also, just cause I'm in a Discorvery Channel kind of mood, Germany were about create the first orbital bomber. This was a jet that would launch into the upper atmosphere, come back down to earth to drop it's bombs, go back into the upper atmosphere until it came around the earth to land back at it's starting place. Apparently, there was some guy who hated the inventor of this, and he had a rival plan that was doomed to failure. So this guy managed to convince Hitler that the inventor of the orbital bomber was a twat, so Hitler cancelled the project! Lucky thing I guess.

Makes you think actually, if people put as much effort into making the world a better place as they do in making war, we'd probably all have little homes on Mars by now! 😀

 

[-Kunoke-]

Makes you think actually, if people put as much effort into making the world a better place as they do in making war, we'd probably all have little homes on Mars by now! 😀

Maybe. :weird:

Though I doubt I'd want to live on someplace like that. A bit too barren.

 

[strider1]

He wouldn't sign the Kyoto Protocol agreement on global warming, which was ultimately signed by 178 other countries. He also told the entire European community that he would listen to their arguments, but he would not change his mind, effectively treating Europe like an 8 year old child. This may have something to do with why most of the world hates the US.

Clinton was hardly a fan of Kyoto, and the US Senate rejected it unanimously. I wouldn't have signed it either as it didn't contain targets for the big developing countries. Any climate change agreement that doesn't contain targets for China, India, Indonesia, and Brazil isn't worth the paper it's printed on.

 

[SyDemon1]

This is all from the News/Paper, all true because the news can't lie, under law.

Though I have insufficient information to comment on the rest of your post, I don't agree with this statement.

The media is either:

1) Controlled by the government, and is a channel in which the government post information it wants the public to believe in. Written information is easily manipulated to be perceived differently, given the ambiguity of the natural language.

2) Controlled by private organisations, in which given the stiff competition from the many media sources, each wants to produce the most compelling and intriguing story. Accounts of events are, similar to the above, manipulated as saw fit, to best allow the written information to be perceived as what the organisation wants the public to perceive.

This is also the case for education. Nothing is absolute in it's truth. Even videos or physical experience can be manipulated to alter perception.

My point is that the news CAN lie. It's just that their lies are as good as the degree of believe the people have in it.

Regarding all this discussion on nationality and government, I don't agree with many stuff being said. There's a whole lot more political manipulation around than I have details of. If a citizen's happy with his place of residence, I see no fault in him/her celebrating it.

 

[jj82277]

Kunoke-"3. He recently sent a delegation to the UN children' s summit to declare that the use of condoms is not a valid way to fight AIDS and that abstinence is the only solution. This is the view shared by some other countries such as Iran, Iraq, Sudan, Libya, Syria, and the Vatican. It seems that his policy of, "No child shall be left behind" has a whole new meaning." cute but no cigar. imn sure that iraninas believe that its good to whipe your ass after you shit, common sense does not mena you have the same agenda.

Supporters of president bush by in large don't really support the slaughter of Children in this country, and really wouldn't want funds to go abroad to help other people slaughter innocent children.

Enron was cooking the books a long time before georgy got there, and since then has enforced insider tradin laws to prevent future scams like that. (scandals like that are bad business for everyone in business you should know that).

as for the rest of your other citations of Bush not submitting to the UN or other international bodies, i think after reading Plumrs eloquent dissertation on the emergence of world government, i am glad to see that My president puts our countries ahead of just looking good and swaying every which way of the international community.

The thing people do like about bush is the same thing they liked about Regan and the same thing they liked about Regan, and that;s that when he has a serious sense of conviction about taking a course of action that he feels will benefit the nation, he won't change it based on the latest approval rating. uin a world full of boys claiming to be men, i can see where charecter may not be high on everyone elses list, but i do. Most men have been taught by domineering women (gen 3:16) that to assert male authority in an aggressive manner is wrong and brutish, I just call it having the bat and balls to be a man. just because people might not like you at the current moment doesnt mean you change your approach. the greater the achievement the greater the criticism.

As for a right to go into Iraq, we actually got by on the technicality that the international community which you purport we should embrace had resolutions on the book for the past 12 years demanding action against that regime, and as you so eloquently said the government that controlled afganistan was directly intertwined in the alquida bin laden web, so the validity of either instance really shouldnt be in question. as a matter of fact the same international body (un) said that the generall of North Korea wasn't even supposed to have or be making those nukes that he is threatening to drop. the real reason that he is mad at us is because he was used to being let do whatever he wanted by the former administration and the idea of America actually enforcing its policy that he discontinue his ilegal nuclear program didn't sit with him. He wont drop them, North korea doesnt have near the capability that would dtur us from whipping them from existance.

It is the sad truth that as long as there are men there will be wars' Einstein
I think he might have known a litle about what he was talking aboiut. he also said tha the most powerful force in the world is compound interst, but i have never gotten a response on this forum about investing. but dealing with the quote at hand there will always be a battle tofight, you just have to make sure that you are on the right side. I can't really see how anyone could argue that we were on the wrong side of either of these conflicts.

As for the obsoleteness of religion, that shouldn't be near a debate. Which one yes, but the only logical antithesis to religion as a whole, is to believe that life in of itself is naturally occuring (Macro-evolution) and that is easily disproved.

1.) Darwin said that for his theory to hold water there would be enumerable links in the fossil record. not two or three ambiguous skelital structures. you just dont have enough bones to support it.

2.) theory of evolution that surfaced to replace natural selection was puntcuated eqilibrium. in other words radicall mutation to create variation more rapidly. did you wever see x-men, that is the theory of evolution as it stands todday. the only problem is that there has never, never never ever, in the history of biological study been one useful mutation. you just dont see a human grow functioning wings. it just don't happen. Evolution in scientific circles is on the way out. the only reason that it is taught in school is becaus eof the greatest hoax in the history of science (pit down man) that was disproved within hours of testing but was held onto because certain grouops were just that thirsty to push religion from the public square.

3.) life is a hell of a lot more complex than darwin ever anticipated. It was logicall theory at the time that Darwin made his proposal that if you left cheese in the corner of a room, that the cheese spontaneously generated into the rats that were eating it. that is the level of scientific reasoning that this theory was based on. The idea that amino acids could randomly align themselves in the complex protiens, dna, rna, cnhains that are just the building blocks of cells is impossible, let alone complex organells or single celled organisms.

Goodie, the reason they realy didnt get the bomb is because of the greatest act of religious fantaicism in the history of mankind the hollocaust. most of the german jewish scientists fled the country, and were extremely beneficial in the space race.

Its amazing to me how those that villify religious expression, would readily suopport the slaughtering of innocent children under the mask of choice, or subject themselves to corrupt foriegn organizations under the flag of peace.

I swear, sometimes i wish Nixxon were here lol.

 

[flightless_me]

hells ya

 

[Betchass1]

As for the obsoleteness of religion, that shouldn't be near a debate. Which one yes, but the only logical antithesis to religion as a whole, is to believe that life in of itself is naturally occuring (Macro-evolution) and that is easily disproved.

1.) Darwin said that for his theory to hold water there would be enumerable links in the fossil record. not two or three ambiguous skelital structures. you just dont have enough bones to support it.

2.) theory of evolution that surfaced to replace natural selection was puntcuated eqilibrium. in other words radicall mutation to create variation more rapidly. did you wever see x-men, that is the theory of evolution as it stands todday. the only problem is that there has never, never never ever, in the history of biological study been one useful mutation. you just dont see a human grow functioning wings. it just don't happen. Evolution in scientific circles is on the way out. the only reason that it is taught in school is becaus eof the greatest hoax in the history of science (pit down man) that was disproved within hours of testing but was held onto because certain grouops were just that thirsty to push religion from the public square.

3.) life is a hell of a lot more complex than darwin ever anticipated. It was logicall theory at the time that Darwin made his proposal that if you left cheese in the corner of a room, that the cheese spontaneously generated into the rats that were eating it. that is the level of scientific reasoning that this theory was based on. The idea that amino acids could randomly align themselves in the complex protiens, dna, rna, cnhains that are just the building blocks of cells is impossible, let alone complex organells or single celled organisms.

Goodie, the reason they realy didnt get the bomb is because of the greatest act of religious fantaicism in the history of mankind the hollocaust. most of the german jewish scientists fled the country, and were extremely beneficial in the space race.

Its amazing to me how those that villify religious expression, would readily suopport the slaughtering of innocent children under the mask of choice, or subject themselves to corrupt foriegn organizations under the flag of peace.

I swear, sometimes i wish Nixxon were here lol.

I think it's obvious how tectonic plate movement can affect fossils. It moves them, quite possibly to places we can't get 'em.
No one is claiming humans can grow wings. Darwin would have waved you away if you had asked him. Einstein might have thought about it for a second, but no biologist would. Housecats can grow 6 toes on a paw, though, which is fairly common. If that were of some benefit, and maybe it is, it's not at all inconceivable the 5-toed cat could become a thing of the past. In that case, why weren't cats created with 6 toes to start with?

Your last bit, about abortion and corruption, is just an attack. Whatever.

I don't blame anything on religious fanaticism. I blame religious fanaticism on desperation, and I also blame suicide bombings, group suicides, and psychotic obsessions with races of people on desperation. I think there's little difference in how an atheist and a theist act given the same economy and society. Both can feel compelled to give to society, and both can feel compelled to rape and torture.

 

[Devilution1]

More people died and were tortured in the name of religion than any other reason including most major wars such as Vietnam and to an extent of being modern WWI. Its not even close. Religion spouts out nonsense such as the 5th Commandment (?) Thou Shall Not Kill. Yet when killing benefits the church financially or otherwise it becomes negotiable ala The Crusades or the Inquisition. More over than that even the dullest of intellects knows that the Bible is constantly contradicting itself. I just gave you an example!! If you heard of some man that could tell how many hairs you have on your head youd have to see it with your own eyes or have some kind of proof yet millions of people blindly accept the most implausible of scenarios such as a virgin birth and walking on water simply because of a book written by a bunch of uneducated followers who history has proven wrote their passages many, in some cases hundreds or years apart from each other when they supposedly wrote them at the same time. My favorite is when a priest gets a woody and molests an altar boy. He doesnt go to jail he just gets reassigned to a different post. Thats a great racket! The same thing happened in The Godfather after Micheal Corleone killed Solazo and the corrupt Police Chief when he was sent to Italy for a year. Am I comparing the Mafia to the Church? No. The Mafia is not even a quarter as silly or corrupt as organized religion.

 

[No Name Yet]

I don't like the USA. I think she is a war-mongering backward country, obsessed with religion, guns, violence, death and has some of the fattest, stupidest and MOST SENSITIVE people in the world. You have the death penalty and are alongside Saudi Irabia, China and Iran in this respect. You don't repect the world, you don;t listen to the world but sit behind your large, but ultimately inept armed forces. Your people are completely ignorant of the world beyond its borders and you many of your people live in poverty and unable to pay for a decent education, standard of living or health. Your criminal justice system is ridiculous to the point where I don;t know where to start criticising it, and as for the so-called American dream that you all hide behind......well, if it was ever true it certainly isn;t any longer.

BUT mostly you are all far too sensitive. You love your country with a zeal bordering on unhealthy fanatacism and no doubt you will all rally round to insult me for daring to suggest that America is not such a great place.

I could live in America, but only if it adopted a less religious attitude, banned gun ownership, got rid of the death penalty and worked towards creating a more egalatarian society for every one of its citizens. Oh, and if it could listen to its allies that would help.

After World War 2 everyone respected American. Today, the world is infuriated with America. Or maybe its just me?

 

[No Name Yet]

I posted my reply after reading the first couple of pages of this thing. But I just knew that sooner or later one of you (most likely from the ignorant but anrgy south) would drag religion into things.

 

[Devilution1]

I don't like the USA. I think she is a war-mongering backward country, obsessed with religion, guns, violence, death and has some of the fattest, stupidest and MOST SENSITIVE people in the world. You have the death penalty and are alongside Saudi Irabia, China and Iran in this respect. You don't repect the world, you don;t listen to the world but sit behind your large, but ultimately inept armed forces. Your people are completely ignorant of the world beyond its borders and you many of your people live in poverty and unable to pay for a decent education, standard of living or health. Your criminal justice system is ridiculous to the point where I don;t know where to start criticising it, and as for the so-called American dream that you all hide behind......well, if it was ever true it certainly isn;t any longer.

BUT mostly you are all far too sensitive. You love your country with a zeal bordering on unhealthy fanatacism and no doubt you will all rally round to insult me for daring to suggest that America is not such a great place.

I could live in America, but only if it adopted a less religious attitude, banned gun ownership, got rid of the death penalty and worked towards creating a more egalatarian society for every one of its citizens. Oh, and if it could listen to its allies that would help.

After World War 2 everyone respected American. Today, the world is infuriated with America. Or maybe its just me?

Nope youre certainly not alone my friend. While I respect everyones opinion pro or con I think you just made one of the best arguments against America I could see on the internet. It is pitiful how well thought out arguments are countered with dried out US nationalism which in light of the state of that shitty country sounds more like cheerleading while the rest of the world grinds their teeth over Americas existence. If I have to hear "good ol' USA" or some other dopey slogan as a counterargument to logic one more time ill scream!! Take a look around you citizens of america. See how Julia Roberts giving birth to twins occupies the front page of a new york newspaper while your soldiers are dying for nothing and the nation of Islam is coming up with new ways to hurt you. But its america...you have a voice to change things right? YEAH RIGHT!!! :laughing:

 

[Timewarp]

Look let's settle this right now. We were all born in one place or another, raised on different values and princaple. Gone through different hardships and success. Does living in another place makes us less human? I'd say not. In the end, it's not where you from or what race you are, but how you live and there is not one person on earth who can say what they are doing is right. Nor can they say what they are doing is wrong. Life is about choice. Instead of bickering and fighting who's better why don't you guys try to help others, work to the same goal. And if you can't let go of your steriotypical sentiments or the past then go ahead and shoot each other now. I do what I want to do and I don't care if you think it's right or wrong, it's my choice so bite me.

 

[jj82277]

Betchass enumerable, means so many that we wouldn't be able to collect and catalog them. not to mention the fact that evolution in of itself on that scale would have to be continual so im sorry but the techtonic plate thing is very implausible. if we can find every friggin dinosaur that ever existed, we should at least bea ble to find one or two halfbreed ape men, but we haven't sory.

but you do bring up an intereesting point that many fail to realise, everyone on this earth has faith, and everyoneon this earth believes in a god. Agnostics a,d athiests, have faith that their own intellect is superrior to that of any possible supreme being, and have faith in the fact that he doesnt exist. even bakcing it up by coming up with explenations why there is no physical proof to support his story (hmmmmm what does that sound like.) enomilies such as a sixth toe don't add value to one cat over another so they would not be perferred in natural selection. therefore it would not be considered a beneficial mutation. not to mention that any organism with a radical mutation would have to find another organism with nearly the exact genetic mutation to mate with. and thats just multi cell to multicell. no one has evver articulated how unicellular to multicellular could ever happen, and amino acids to cinglecelled is just about insane. when darwin was alive he didnt know how complex they were.

and im sorry sir, that's not me who thinks that punctuated equilibrium is the new theory of evolution. its the last remaining members of the evolutionist community lobbying to keep it in the text books so they don't have to face the fact that there is a creator that they will have to oh my god ANSWER TO. "so you mean im not the smartest thing in the univers, darn it."

As i said before we only teach it because of a hoax.,

Devil-
1.) the imaculate conception, and the walking on water are at least explained as a miracle preformed by God. That makes the explination at least make sense. Evolution as it seems right now with what we know is the equivilent of saying that if you rolled a bolder off a cliff enough times, the peices would align in a supercomputer (I know thats a bad analogy, life is way more complicated than any computer which only furthers my point.)

2.) religious men killed people for their own misunderstandings of scripture. not the religious ideals. Its funny that you mention the altr boy. I remember once that you said that eventually christianity would memic greckoromoan religion, well a part did and called themselves catholocism. patron saints are actually carry overs from roman paganism. interesting fact. but don't confuse catholicism wiht the form of christianity that i represent. and i still can't get over the whole germany thing, the most overt form of religious fanaticism in the history of man, come on man.

though shalt not kill- i take it that you are not familiar with daduistic and casuistc law. how about the theory of cultural transposition. what does egope, storge, eros, and philia mean, oh im sorry, you didnt really do any in depth biblical study, you just listen to yor professors and regergetate. im sorry.

the bible in of itself is a compressed form of nearly infinite information theres a lot that goes into it. i would debate that with you, but you would have too much catch up studying to do. long story short, the right to exercise war has always been protected in the bible, war has always been just, because evil has always been present. (gen 3:17). most of the attrocities that you speak of are the result of people tring to interprut the bible either on there own or without careful consideratio to some of the concepts that i just shared with you and about a hundred others that pastors are responsible for, not the bible itself, sorry. human error again.

 

[Devilution1]

Uh Oh! We already had "Good Ol" USA!!" now it seems "Good Ol' Christianity" is gonna replace it! Tell me something though Joan of Arc heard voices direct from God right? Well take heart cuz there are LOADS of patients in mental hospitals across the globe who claim the exact same thing!!! Thats a laugh! Please, everyone knows religion is nothing more than an money grubbing, altarboy grabbing superstition meant to scare people in order to control them. It has nothing to do with the modern lives of people in the world today. And yes my Bible reading IS a bit rusty I have to admit...im not really up on reading works of fiction. Sorry. 😀

 

[No Name Yet]

I do not believe in any religion that has been promulgated to me. They all have major inconsistencies and in some cases seem down right evil - I was reading through the bible the other day and was surprised how outdated it seems to be. The first thing I read that day was The Parable of the Virgins (Matthew 25). Can anybody tell me what good message comes out of that parable?? But I didn't just stop with that one, strange story, I read on. The bible is mostly wishy-washy rubbish. It seems designed to keep order amongst GOD-FEARING people. The old testament is even worse, with God frequently being talked about as someone who will come and do horrible things to anyone who pisses off Jewish people.

I chose not to believe that the bible is the word of God because there is not ONE scrap of evidence to suggest that it is. Why do you chose to believe in the bible? What evidence do you have to believe in the bible? Oh you have faith! I pity you. You are living a lie.

Evolution shouldn't even come into it. Given a choice between believing that the universe was created 15billion years ago, the earth was created 4.5billion years ago and life evolved slowly and steadily through the aeons or believing that God created the earth and all life when he had a spare week some 10,000 years ago (during the agricultural revolution) I think I will believe the former over the latter.

I really fail to understand you religious people. But I tolerate you because I know that in many cases you were indoctrinated into your cults at a very young age.

 

[Devilution1]

I like that in the Witch Hunts of Europe they implemented tortures that would make even Heinrich Himmler flinch. One way is to place hot coals under a persons feet while hes strapped to a chair while a good god fearing christian smears lard over the unfortunate victims body so as not to burn the rest of the body but to roast it. Of course it goes without saying that about 99% of these people where innocent and were guilty by accusation. But hey they were just misinterpreting what a kind loving god wrote right? Tell me though...how do you misinterpret "Thou shall not suffer a witch to live?"

 

[jj82277]

I have to really applaud the two of you. you continue to ignore the points that i made in my post, and keep reffering to the actions of a group to which i have already assigned invalidity. It takes courage to prance around ignorance. I have to admit.

As for being intoduced to cults at an early age, up untill around age 16 i was agnostic, and then i came to the logical conclusion that evolutionary theory is just plain stupid. if you want to take the word of someone who thought rats eating cheese spontaneously grew from cheese, thenhey, stake your entire life having FAITH in them.

As for the bible in of itself, It only outlines the blueprint for a happry flawless society. I know that you have grown accustom to the world of famine hunger disease war, hate and broken families, but i don't think that that;s reason enough not to at least acknowledge the fact that it is as a result of the subconcious choices we keep making.

In the absence o biblical faith this world has degenerated into, the mass slaughtering of children for the personal gratification of the mother and the inordinate shunning of responsability of the father, the embracing of homosexuality, the introduction of countless exually transmitted diseases. the destruction of the marriage, the corruption of the male female interactoin, and the death of peoples sexual beings through multiple sexuall partners creating a vaccum of self worth. that's the world without it, and oh yeh, no such thing as real love, human affection, sense of morality, or right or wrong.

throw in basic biblical theory, and every man has a wife, and a lifetime supply for both of them for any sexual desire they ever wanted. a proper structure for the raising of children. no sexually transmitted disease. economic principles that would guarentee no pverty, and sound assurance of retirement. and no need for war except to defend your community against evil forces that would corrupt it.

now you pick. I mean its just that simple.

as for money grubbing and all that, and the altar boy comment (catholicism isnt the christianity i'm talking about, come on at least rudamentary critical thinking) as i sad before, those are men that are religious that commit those acts, not the religion in of itself. i didnt think that was a complicated concept, but i guess that you needed to hear it again.

 

[jj82277]

I do not believe in any religion that has been promulgated to me. They all have major inconsistencies and in some cases seem down right evil - I was reading through the bible the other day and was surprised how outdated it seems to be. The first thing I read that day was The Parable of the Virgins (Matthew 25). Can anybody tell me what good message comes out of that parable?? But I didn't just stop with that one, strange story, I read on. The bible is mostly wishy-washy rubbish. It seems designed to keep order amongst GOD-FEARING people. The old testament is even worse, with God frequently being talked about as someone who will come and do horrible things to anyone who pisses off Jewish people.

I chose not to believe that the bible is the word of God because there is not ONE scrap of evidence to suggest that it is. Why do you chose to believe in the bible? What evidence do you have to believe in the bible? Oh you have faith! I pity you. You are living a lie.

Evolution shouldn't even come into it. Given a choice between believing that the universe was created 15billion years ago, the earth was created 4.5billion years ago and life evolved slowly and steadily through the aeons or believing that God created the earth and all life when he had a spare week some 10,000 years ago (during the agricultural revolution) I think I will believe the former over the latter.

I really fail to understand you religious people. But I tolerate you because I know that in many cases you were indoctrinated into your cults at a very young age.

okay explain to me how you could spontaneously over any bperiosd of time, 5 billion years or five trillion years go from amino acids, have them randomly align into protein, thats complicated enough. then you would have to have those proteins form complex organeells that we still don't know how they work. then all those organells would have to work cooperaticely inside a community to form a cell. can you explain to me how that would be able to happen spontaneously without a supentaural event. what about then developing a complex system of RNA and DNA so that the cell could replicate and reproduce. then tell me how single celled organisms grouped together to form multicellular organism. then tell me how the complex asexual reproductrive wysstem for some reason trasformed into meosis instead of cellular mitosis. don't give up now, then you have to tell me how with all that somehow you had radicall mutation in sexually reproducing organisms (that mind you have this nasty habbit of not being able to reproduce unless there is like a 99.9% match in DNA to begin with) and one radically mutated organism, with a benificial radical mutation, (that mind you has never been seen in the history of science) finds another radically mutated organism with the same radical mutation so that they will be able to produce fertile offspring, (even though radicall mutations generally only occur from exposure to radiation or genetic deformation in either case generally renders the organism in of itself infertile.)

give up yet, well the rest of science has ever since they introduced the reality of the complexities of DNA RNA PROTEIN STRANDS ORGANELLS AND ALL THE OTHER COMPLEXITIES OF LIFE, spontaneous generation has been completely and totally demolished in certain circles. the only reason that it has not been taken out of textbooks is because the michael newdows and the bill mahers of the world would wine too much. and thats just part one of the theory. Then when you get into creating all the diverse species in the world, the mechanics there in are even worse. but if you can explain to me the intricacies of these steps in the evolutionary process that you have put all your FAITH in sir, then you can lecture and PITY poor old me who did his homework before making a decision.

 

[Devilution1]

Um, well if theres a god then where the hell is he? On his golden throne in heaven? Dont you think its time he made at least a brief cameo here on earth? I mean cmon god??? God who had made a bet with Satan (his alledged archenemy) that he can torture Job for 40 years and hell still remain loyal. This is the supreme being of the universe? Sounds more like Jimmy the Greek? BETS???? Wonder if god thinks the Steelers or Seahawks are gonna win the Superbowl. Hey hes god I guess he can make the spread huh? God. Give me a break. Oh and the bible. Yeah real brilliance there. The most contradictory, illogical, tedious and uninspired book ever written considering its supposed importance. If you believe in god then surely you HAVE to believe in Bigfoot and the Lochness Monster. Then again there is more evidence of Nessie and Bigfoot than of Jesus Christ....im not trying to be funny either. If god exists jj and dave and I are wrong as you say then let him come down and show me. I mean thats only fair. People dont believe in UFOs unless they see one so let me see god and ill kneel down and worship. Until then please dont show me the bible. Put it back on the shelf with Batman, The Philosophers Stone, Unicorns and other works of fiction.

 

[Devilution1]

the corruption of the male female interactoin, and the death of peoples sexual beings through multiple sexuall partners creating a vaccum of self worth.

now you pick. I mean its just that simple.

So having sex with more than one person creates a "vacuum of self worth?" I mean now your the posterchild for an outdated superstition which has no place in a modern society. Good lord if I wanna have sex with my girlfriend im gonna have it. And damn right ive had sex with the girlfriends ive had before my current one too! Im not gonna have some crazy ass wine into water fictional book telling me I have to be put to death because of it! Damn not even cops are that bad!!