I renamed this thread to Tickle Challenge's apology to this community.

[Tickle_Challenge]

Below is a post exactly as I made it this afternoon (I am typing this Saturday at 9:33PM). After being pointed out a few things by people on here, I want to apologize for the manner in which I conveyed my thoughts. I was wrong and inappropriate. In the interest of not being a coward, I will leave the post as is and continue to receive the punishment (we all have our fetishes).

Again, I am sorry to everyone on here for how this post came off. It was not intended to have that effect.


Hey Everyone,

Chris from Tickle Challenge here. As always, bear with me as I promise the link at the bottom has 14 minutes of tickling. If you want to skip my soap box speech, go right to the link.

Day 5 of the Blog and the traffic is through the roof so I will continue. I am humbled with the emails showing their support for the blog. Thank You.

Today's installment is Steph's Grand Finale Challenge. This is one of my favorite individual challenges we have done in our 3 year existence. Here's why. I think it is too easy nowadays for anyone to call themselves a tickling producer overnight. You rent a hotel room, convince your GF to let you tickle her and shoot it on your cell phone. Two days later you have a clips4sale store and you are a "producer". Clips4sale is up to over 20,000 stores. How many of them are of any quality and how many have a unique POV?

When I decided to launch a tickling website back in 2006, I wanted to have my own unique POV. I was and still am a huge fan of many of the producers on here (shameless plug for RT, Silver Cherry, & Tk Abuse) and I didn't want to add to the clutter with the same exact concepts. So I developed the Tickle Challenge concept. Ironically, the main intent of the site is not tickling per se but rather getting innocent girls to be "put through the ringer" for cash prizes. Thus, I added ice and water and playing with boobs etc to the tickling. I feel this is a unique POV. Some love it. Some hate it. But regardless of your opinion, I pride myself on being original.

So check out the Steph clip on my blog to see what we do here at TC in its full glory. If you are still on the fence about whether you like my site, I implore you to watch the full 14 minute clip and then decide. The last two minutes of the clip are exactly what I aim for in every shoot.

Free Daily Tickle Challenge Blog

Sorry to vent but I think someone needs to speak up on behalf of all of the serious producers on here (we know who we are) and bring attention to the fact that the majority of us take this very seriously and have careers way beyond one page of 4 clips on c4s.com.

I'm anticipating a lash back from this post so let me clarify. This is not meant to be a rant. I love a lot of the amateur clips posted on here and if you want to do that, great. I am not discouraging anyone from doing anything but let's call a spade a spade. It will make life easier on everyone in sorting through the clutter of the internet. Al Gore! What have you done?

Thoughts?

Chris

 

[tku]

Reality Check

...Sorry to vent but I think someone needs to speak up on behalf of all of the serious producers on here (we know who we are) and bring attention to the fact that the majority of us take this very seriously and have careers way beyond one page of 4 clips on c4s.com...

Well, since it's soapbox season I'll say this. I have no intention of being a sycophant because you are currently giving away promotional freebees either, because to be honest the arrogant undertone of the post you just made rubs me up the wrong way. The quote above, in particular, is ridiculous.

Sure the net, clips4sale in particular, is abundant with have-a-go amateurs making badly lit homemade clips recorded at some junty angel by a $20 webcam. These people are no threat to your commercial enterprise and even if they were, I'm glad they are able to do what they do. More power to them.

I'm also glad that more real tickle fetishists on a low budget have started up as producers in recent years. These people don't fake, don't need to learn how to tickle or understand what other 'lers & 'lees want to see in a clip, because it's in-built. They have every right to be considered "serious" producers...regardless of whether they want to or can afford to churn out material on a commercial level.

What exactly defines your brand of hybrid tickle/water splashing a cut above either of these type of producers in terms of actual content? The tickling challenge concept is not your invention, so what is it that sets you apart as special and a "professional" amongst these "amateurs"? To be frank, it seems that having the ability to buy a decent camera, hire attractive models and intensively market a smart website might have put you on a high horse, which is an unnecessary and regrettable shame.

 

[jmsdarke]

I think the possible distinction is really between those who treat their stores like a business and those who don't.

I get the distinct sense that some think that this is a ridiculously easy stuff and that if they start, they'll get rich overnight. in truth, even if tickling hot trapped ticklish ladies blows up your skirt, to make a lasting go of it takes hard work and dedication - if you wish to make a quality product and last in the business.

I try to maintain the long and wide view of the tickle fetish market and industry and see us as being in our infancy. We have a few good studios but don't represent a sizeable segment of the adult content market - yet.

I hope that we can see more studios producing content which is worthy of packaging and distributing (which means less badly lit and poorly shot material).

While I think that even Chris would concede that ticklers have been holding private "tickle challenges" from the first time a guy saw a girl accidentally twitch and spasm for a grazing finger, the fact that he successfully packaged it into a fleshed out studio concept is a big deal worth appreciating.

I never view the newbie "producers" as a problem. I think we need much more of them - and yes, they do compete for the same dollars with us in the same small market. So, let's grow this dam market and make more rain for us all.

JD

 

[Tickle_Challenge]

tku: I understand why you were rubbed the wrong way. That was not my intent. I sincerely apologize to anyone who took offense to the post. My point is that everyone should do whatever they want but as JD said, there is a lot of poor quality stuff (in terms of production quality) that I think somehow needs to be factored in if the market we are building can grow.

Think of the kid that turns 18 at midnight tonight and is excited to be surfing ADULT sites for the first time in his life. He goes to CLips4sale and starts browsing the category of stores and is relieved that his tickling fetish is not unique to him. Hallelujah! Then he starts seeing that there are THOUSANDS of stores in the category and he needs to starts sorting out the mess. . . . .

Can anyone see where I am going here?


Anyone, TKU, PM so we can sort this out and make this right. I hate making people angry.

 

[Tickle_Challenge]

I think the possible distinction is really between those who treat their stores like a business and those who don't.

I get the distinct sense that some think that this is a ridiculously easy stuff and that if they start, they'll get rich overnight. in truth, even if tickling hot trapped ticklish ladies blows up your skirt, to make a lasting go of it takes hard work and dedication - if you wish to make a quality product and last in the business.

I try to maintain the long and wide view of the tickle fetish market and industry and see us as being in our infancy. We have a few good studios but don't represent a sizeable segment of the adult content market - yet.

I hope that we can see more studios producing content which is worthy of packaging and distributing (which means less badly lit and poorly shot material).

While I think that even Chris would concede that ticklers have been holding private "tickle challenges" from the first time a guy saw a girl accidentally twitch and spasm for a grazing finger, the fact that he successfully packaged it into a fleshed out studio concept is a big deal worth appreciating.

I never view the newbie "producers" as a problem. I think we need much more of them - and yes, they do compete for the same dollars with us in the same small market. So, let's grow this dam market and make more rain for us all.

JD

Thank you JD for those words. I think I should have use the word distinction more in my post.

 

[tku]

Nothing to sort out...I'm not angry! I just said it how I saw it when you asked for thoughts on your post 🙂

 

[Tickle_Challenge]

Nothing to sort out...I'm not angry! I just said it how I saw it when you asked for thoughts on your post 🙂

Well, I hope you understand my POV better, even if you disagree with it. Onward.

 

[tku]

Well, I agree with your point of view with respect to clips4sale having no reasonable way to find the decent stores amongst the huge array of mislabelled and half empty ones.
There's no real excuse for it, since minor improvements, let alone an overhaul to their search engine would pretty much fix the problem 🙂

 

[Tickle_Challenge]

Well, I agree with your point of view with respect to clips4sale having no reasonable way to find the decent stores amongst the huge array of mislabelled and half empty ones. There's no real excuse for it, since minor improvements, let alone an overhaul to their search engine would pretty much fix the problem 🙂

Thank You. That was pretty much all I wanted to say.

 

[MikeMike]

Long clips and good clips are not the same thing.

You're right. Your clips are long.

And there are people producing less, shorter, clips that are a lot better. With all due respect, your models, at least from the clips posted on your blog, appear to be no more than moderately annoyed by the tickling you visit upon them.

In fact, I see you have a series called the 'Humiliation' series. I am not sure who is supposed to be humiliated: the female stars of the clips, or those who purchase them.

You speak of the tragedy of the newly minted 18 year old who surfs the web, and seeks to purchase a tickling clip, and is unable to sort the wheat from the chaff. I'd argue that your material, from what you've made available, would serve to add to the confusion, not end it.

Perhaps this response seems harsh, but your rant about the quality of the work of others invites unvarnished criticism.

 

[Tickle_Challenge]

Perhaps this response seems harsh, but your rant about the quality of the work of others invites unvarnished criticism.

You have your right to your thoughts but I think you missed my point.

 

[MrInc]

Anything that comes off as elitist, regardless of intention, is bound to ruffle feathers. And rightfully so.

In my dealings with you, most notably to purchase access to the catalog, you've been very fair and forthright, which is great. Let that and the material you produce do all the talking for you.

Ideally, I'd rather just have there be a silent stratification among producers. Different levels of quality should be understood, not touted. In my decade of time dealing with this community, despite only being in my early 20s, I've always felt that the unity of the group was always more important than earning an extra buck.

Of course, this was before C4S opened the floodgates to Joe Producer and introduced more people to the pay-for-clips method.

In utopia, I'd really rather see everyone regard each other as being on the same plane, equally deserving of respect whether they produce a clip a month or a clip a day.

And business should not be furthered at the expense of other people in this community. $0.02.

 

[Tickle_Challenge]

Mr. Inc: Thank you for the kind words. I will take your advice and on that note. . .

I want to apologize to this entire community for even the hint of any sort of elitist POV on my part. That was not my intent at all and I completely understand why I was misunderstood. I wish I could delete the post but that is not fair either. I know what I was trying to say but it came off wrong.

My site has fans that absolutely love what we do and those who absolutely hate what we do. This post stemmed from me trying to explain myself to those that hate it. Sorry for the drama folks.

Onward.

 

[Rook's Media]

Hey Everyone,

Chris from Tickle Challenge here. As always, bear with me as I promise the link at the bottom has 14 minutes of tickling. If you want to skip my soap box speech, go right to the link.

Day 5 of the Blog and the traffic is through the roof so I will continue. I am humbled with the emails showing their support for the blog. Thank You.

Today's installment is Steph's Grand Finale Challenge. This is one of my favorite individual challenges we have done in our 3 year existence. Here's why. I think it is too easy nowadays for anyone to call themselves a tickling producer overnight. You rent a hotel room, convince your GF to let you tickle her and shoot it on your cell phone. Two days later you have a clips4sale store and you are a "producer". Clips4sale is up to over 20,000 stores. How many of them are of any quality and how many have a unique POV?

When I decided to launch a tickling website back in 2006, I wanted to have my own unique POV. I was and still am a huge fan of many of the producers on here (shameless plug for RT, Silver Cherry, & Tk Abuse) and I didn't want to add to the clutter with the same exact concepts. So I developed the Tickle Challenge concept. Ironically, the main intent of the site is not tickling per se but rather getting innocent girls to be "put through the ringer" for cash prizes. Thus, I added ice and water and playing with boobs etc to the tickling. I feel this is a unique POV. Some love it. Some hate it. But regardless of your opinion, I pride myself on being original.

So check out the Steph clip on my blog to see what we do here at TC in its full glory. If you are still on the fence about whether you like my site, I implore you to watch the full 14 minute clip and then decide. The last two minutes of the clip are exactly what I aim for in every shoot.

Free Daily Tickle Challenge Blog

Sorry to vent but I think someone needs to speak up on behalf of all of the serious producers on here (we know who we are) and bring attention to the fact that the majority of us take this very seriously and have careers way beyond one page of 4 clips on c4s.com.

I'm anticipating a lash back from this post so let me clarify. This is not meant to be a rant. I love a lot of the amateur clips posted on here and if you want to do that, great. I am not discouraging anyone from doing anything but let's call a spade a spade. It will make life easier on everyone in sorting through the clutter of the internet. Al Gore! What have you done?

Thoughts?

Chris

Okay Chris....I've been determining whether or not I should comment on your thread....I've decided to do so.

#1. The link to your free preview IS in the correct section of the Tickling Media Forum.

#2. This discussion topic IS NOT!

#3. No producer, no matter how long they've been around, or what they feel they've done for the community, has any reason to ask a question like you've asked. "When can you call yourself a true tk producer?"

And to say things like you've said...and I quote " You need to speak up on behalf of all the serious producers (you know who you are)...." Come on man.

I personally have absolutely no issues with anyone that wants to release tickling clips! The community will know who they are if they promote their product, and release a good quality product. It doesn't matter if they blend into the clips4sale jungle...it's their job to promote their own product. It's not your job to tell them that they're amateurs, and that you've been around since 2006, so you must be a REAL tk producer!

But posting a message like this...talking about what you've done...your original contribution...POV....whether or not you feel that what you've done is unique....this post sounds simply like an attempt to pat yourself on the back.

I'm not sure if this thread is an attempt to draw attention to your company, but I think you need to re-word some things within your post man! I'm not razzing your product...if you've noticed, I've said nothing negative about your product. I just feel that NO PRODUCER has any right to knock anyone for opening a clip store, whether they have 4 clips or 400.

It's up to the owner of the clip store to stand out from the rest...it's not up to other producers, no matter how long they've been around, to size them up...or to tell them that they're, quote, "AMATEUR'S!"

I'm a new producer...what do you consider me?

Am I an amateur? Am I adding to that cluster that you're speaking of?




Just my two cents...

Once again man, just responding to your post...not your product.


Have a good weekend,

Rook's Media

 

[Tickle_Challenge]

ROOK: As I did just before your post, I want to apologize to you now personally. I understand your opinion, truly. I was wrong and I want to repeat what I posted just prior to your post.

 

[Rook's Media]

ROOK: As I did just before your post, I want to apologize to you now personally. I understand your opinion, truly. I was wrong and I want to repeat what I posted just prior to your post.

Thanks Chris...

Just wanted you to be aware that your wording will be analyzed from many different angles.

No personal apology was necessary, but it's appreciated.

Take care man,

Rook's Media

 

[ZenTickling]

It's called capitalism. Every single person reading this has the right to buy a camera and start their own c4s store. Store owners that don't give a damn and produce terrible content will see the consequences of that in their sales. Someone who makes great videos and markets them correctly (cough.. Tickle Abuse.. cough) will be very successful.

The only difference between having a virtual store and a physical store is the fact that clips4sale doesn't charge "rent". Once you create a store it's pretty much there for good, despite its performance. I suppose you could complain that this feature of clips4sale hurts your business, but that's something you should take up with them.

 

[Plazmatic]

my take

Well, it's OK to vent/rant once in a while, but I wouldn't do it here in the Clips section; I would've posted my clip here and soap-boxed somewhere else. The first thing that comes to mind after reading your post is that I have no problem admitting I am jealous of producers who have what it takes to make quality tickling clips. However, I have been a member of this community since way back when clips were given away free by the dozens and producers didn't seem to be such penny-pinching greedy fuckers, ha! (I'm speaking about big producers in general, as Chris has offered numerous and generous discounts and free clips). Knowing in my heart that if I could produce such clips, I would indeed give away as much as possible--I think that rings closer to the idea of a 'community' as opposed to a money pit. I agree that there is a lot of crap on Clips4Sale, and if you can launch your own site and be different, that's great. Now I have a 'challenge' for you and the other big producers: post some How-To instructions for the 'overnight producers' on how to make quality clips; include 1) how much do you pay the girl?**why is revealing this such a taboo?**, 2) how do you find her?, 3) do you always use a contract?, 4) what kind of hardware/software are you using? etc., etc. My point is that people who aren't willing to share their expertise probably shouldn't be criticizing novices for making the effort on their own. What else are they supposed to do? Start a How-To thread and hopefully other Bigs will ad to it, fertilizing a whole new wave of great clips for everyone.

 

[ticklishtests]

Um well...I don't know if I really have a right to post in this thread because I'm not a producer and I'm relatively new to the scene. I definitely don't want to create enemies in my first few months, but I feel like I do need to say something.

I'll agree (with apologies) that the original post may have seemed a little arrogant or on a "high horse" depending on how you interpreted the quote (I mean I didn't have a problem with it - but maybe it's because I'm not a producer). However, on behalf of all the times Tickle Challenge has earnestly apologized to the repeated criticism and tried to moderate the situation, I think we should just let it go.

Like I said, I don't have any problems with anyone's comments - I just don't see a need for this feud. Apologies if I offended anyone.

 

[jmsdarke]

...However, I have been a member of this community since way back when clips were given away free by the dozens and producers didn't seem to be such penny-pinching greedy fuckers, ha! (I'm speaking about big producers in general, as Chris has offered numerous and generous discounts and free clips). Knowing in my heart that if I could produce such clips, I would indeed give away as much as possible--I think that rings closer to the idea of a 'community' as opposed to a money pit. I agree that there is a lot of crap on Clips4Sale, and if you can launch your own site and be different, that's great. Now I have a 'challenge' for you and the other big producers: post some How-To instructions for the 'overnight producers' on how to make quality clips; include 1) how much do you pay the girl?**why is revealing this such a taboo?**, 2) how do you find her?, 3) do you always use a contract?, 4) what kind of hardware/software are you using? etc., etc. My point is that people who aren't willing to share their expertise probably shouldn't be criticizing novices for making the effort on their own. What else are they supposed to do? Start a How-To thread and hopefully other Bigs will ad to it, fertilizing a whole new wave of great clips for everyone.

I was one of the very first people to post video clips. That was back in 1994 when we rode to our desktop computers on horses. They were very short video captures at very low quality because that's all the modems could handle. These were often captures small segments of commercial videos and a few captures of my own amature work. Because I wasn't having to pay models for their time, it was easy to give them away for free.

Today, the fetish world is a thriving industry. So unless your girl friend, wife or hot friends are available to be your free talent, you've got to hire models (=pay them cash). And unless you're ok with putting out video which looks like you're diametrically opposed to quality, you've got to buy some quality gear (=spend more cash). So I'm certain that even though we'd all love some free goodies, everyone can see that producers must reasonably charge for our product. Also, please don't overlook the human factor that compensation for doing something equals encouragement to do it again and again.

The good news for wnyone who wants ONLY free stuff (and there isn't anything wrong with that) is that we have so many free previews. Look at the length, quality and volume just from Tickle Abuse alone - and then add in the rest of us. So I think we've reached a reasonable equilibrium on the free vs. fee issue 15 years after I've joined in.

I do agree with your challenge on the "How To" stuff. I'm not sure how long you've been in the forums, but I've been producing free how to posts for some time, covering both production and running a successful clips4sale store. my next article is on producing great preview videos. In this next article, you will see input from several other tickle video producers. I'd love to see more how to stuff initiated by other producers.

I'd like to take this time to propose to the admins that we add a new forum section for Technical Advice where those of us who wish to teach and share trade craft can appropriately do so. What do you guys think of an area like this?

In general, compared to where we were, we're doing great. Compared to what we really could be doing, we've got a dma long way to go - and that's ok.

Some of my posts relevant to producing great content:

10 Things I Hate About Tickle Videos
http://www.ticklingforum.com/showthread.php?t=123257

ALL CALL: Tickle Video Producers Previews
http://www.ticklingforum.com/showthread.php?t=148875

Producing Great Tickle Videos
http://www.ticklingforum.com/showthread.php?t=147861

Cleaning Up Sounds In Tickle Video Production
http://www.ticklingforum.com/showthread.php?t=147883

Video Clip Preview Options
http://www.ticklingforum.com/showthread.php?t=130878

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JD

 

[Catharsis]

Less drama, more tickling.

 

[tku]

Yeh, this thread was loooong dead 😉 Let's keep it that way eh?

 

[Sunday_10pm]

For me, producers don't suddenly attain a certain status. All I, and any consumer care about is the quality of the product.

A couple who'd be labelled "amateur" could potentially make a clip that's better in both quality and content than anything in many "serious producers' whole catalog.

If they filmed it and produced it, all they'd have to do is make a topic here with a clear preview and pics, people would notice straight away and it would sell like hotcakes.

If you want to be a "great" producer that people respect, make great tickling clips.

 

[Sunday_10pm]

sorry I didn't realise this was a necro'd topic. oh and James Darke... The way my respect and admiration for you builds with every post I read almost worries me. You're the man 😛

 

[Imlatino]

who was mad? why is tickle challenge apologizing?