I'm Sorry.

[Bashiku]

You sound like Samuel Johnson, opining about morality as quintessential to the human experience. And just like Johnson, your rationale for arguing reality against veiled attempts at being nice because of some moral imperative is mediocre and unsatisfactory at best.

I'm not acting tough. I'm acting as I do because it is as true to a real representation of myself as I can convey. Smiling to everyone in the world isn't going to change anything unless you are not rooted in the every changing spectrum of emotions we experience.

And even those are biological constructs; understanding the fluid by grasping it is a futile effort. There is not a concrete element of what is; it is merely speculative.

You and yours, who seem to be so rooted in this need to be arbitrarily nice are, are not acting in a human accord; you are simulacra.

Ah but quite on contrary I can say that I am what I say I am with every existing fiber of my being. I have no need for masks, no need to act tough nor to be rude to people. This world for me is one big playground and I want to enjoy it, in its fairness and equality. To do that I make other people feel good, and through that I gain my good karma.

Also about simulacra: "The simulacrum is never that which conceals the truth--it is the truth which conceals that there is none. The simulacrum is true."

 

[meangry1]

Ah but quite on contrary I can say that I am what I say I am with every existing fiber of my being. I have no need for masks, no need to act tough nor to be rude to people. This world for me is one big playground and I want to enjoy it, in its fairness and equality. To do that I make other people feel good, and through that I gain my good karma.

Also about simulacra: "The simulacrum is never that which conceals the truth--it is the truth which conceals that there is none. The simulacrum is true."

If you wish to use Ecclesiastes, then by all means. But the simulacrum is not truth; it's a distorted image that is attempting to convey correctness. Baudrillard states clearly in his essay that simulacra bears no relation to reality. It's merely a construct. It's the wax statue, appearing real, when in reality it is without reality because it is incapable of reality.

The very solipsistic nature of your "one big playground" existence possesses problems. The world can only be enjoyed on your terms; regardless of true emotions or feelings, you posit a repression of expression. The very concrete discourse you take also frames you in a saintly manner; are you honestly saying you've never once shown a bit of aggression? You haven't silently cursed at someone under your breath? Even if you get 'good karma' from your actions, there is still a latent human element which undermines your considered 'all kindness'. One negative emotion, even if it simply a wave within your brain, undercuts the very notion of your karma earning smile because you are masking and performing.

Don't act as if somehow, you have a true understanding of yourself "with every existing fiber of my being". Your constructing a fallacy, and trying to imply to others that you are somehow an exception to human rule. Not only this, but simply acting nice at all times is an arbitrary way to live a life; it's in no way true to the human experience.

 

[dubman]

Though, I believe we should all be kind to one another, I also believe that apologizing for certain things (or everything) is dangerous to one's self-esteem.

Being mean for the sake of being mean is unhealthy and suggests emotional, social and mental problems.

However, saying something that's not "nice" in defense of yourself isn't always a bad thing. For example, a boy was harassing me at school for two years straight. So, I finally asked him if his mother loved him. He shut up. It was either, defend myself with words (I was close to moving on to fists) or allow myself to be chipped away slowly by his comments. I feel no shame or guilt in questioning the love he got as a child.

And we can ignore some things, of course. And sometimes that's effective. But I don't think one should be ashamed of his or herself when defending his or herself.

Sticks and stones will break my bones but words will never hurt me? That's one of the biggest and most wide-spread lies. Speak carefully always but never fail yourself.

I concur. Self defense is a different issue, and it sounds like in this case it was warranted and necessary. So kudos to you!

I think the problem occurs when one person hurts another person's feelings with the intention of making themselves feel more powerful. That is entirely selfish. I think everyone does something like this at some point in their lives, for whatever reason. But, I'm in no place to judge.

I think sometimes people's feelings do get hurt when maybe they shouldn't, but even then I think the "offender" should at least feel sorry that the other person's feelings were hurt and try to make amends for it. Misunderstandings will always occur between people, cultures, etc. And I think it's important to be sensitive to others' feelings. Yes, we will all screw up and hurt someone else, but what's important is that we learn from that and try to do better next time.

But hey, I also think feet are sexy; what the hell do I know? 😉

 

[Bashiku]

If you wish to use Ecclesiastes, then by all means. But the simulacrum is not truth; it's a distorted image that is attempting to convey correctness. Baudrillard states clearly in his essay that simulacra bears no relation to reality. It's merely a construct. It's the wax statue, appearing real, when in reality it is without reality because it is incapable of reality.

The very solipsistic nature of your "one big playground" existence possesses problems. The world can only be enjoyed on your terms; regardless of true emotions or feelings, you posit a repression of expression. The very concrete discourse you take also frames you in a saintly manner; are you honestly saying you've never once shown a bit of aggression? You haven't silently cursed at someone under your breath? Even if you get 'good karma' from your actions, there is still a latent human element which undermines your considered 'all kindness'. One negative emotion, even if it simply a wave within your brain, undercuts the very notion of your karma earning smile because you are masking and performing.

Don't act as if somehow, you have a true understanding of yourself "with every existing fiber of my being". Your constructing a fallacy, and trying to imply to others that you are somehow an exception to human rule. Not only this, but simply acting nice at all times is an arbitrary way to live a life; it's in no way true to the human experience.

"Modern French social theorist Jean Baudrillard argues that a simulacrum is not a copy of the real, but becomes truth in its own right: the hyperreal." So it is not a wax figure and read him once more... it could do you more good than harm.

Now about good karma. Well I have long time ago accepted my mortality, and I understood that after I die nothing of mine will be left here, but I decided to implant... no that is not a good word... give a new perspective to my friends and fellows, making them see that this is another possible way. I don't tend to ask for anything, I don't have any ambition except helping people and for that reason I am at faculty for special education and rehabilitation. I don't say that everyone should be arbitrary nice as me, for as my professor says 'Those who love all people are either insane or saints.'. What I am will God decide, but I am showing people that toughing your skin and being rude to everyone isn't the only way through the life.

And about my every fiber... I understand myself, my needs, my action, why, how and when I do something, but I am no more than a human. I am made of the same flesh, same fluids, same materials as you. Only difference we made are our choices. I choose to live the rest of my life with the smile on my face, doing what I want, helping people, writing, drawing, for that is who I am and I know that. What you chose... well only you know, cause only you can understand yourself to that point.

 

[melanie2]

I am sorry that I haven't been more rude to people.

Because I really ought to try new things.

A resolution for '09, perhaps.

i like this answer best...let's all adhere to Wade's New Year's resolution..let's all be rude...i'll start...

Wade your New Year's resolution sucks...hehe...

 

[FeatherDaemon1]

i like this answer best...let's all adhere to Wade's New Year's resolution..let's all be rude...i'll start...

Wade your New Year's resolution sucks...hehe...

That is a great idea. I'll fully intend to be rude to everyone starting next year. Then when I fall short of the mark which will be my inevitable fate since it is a New Year's resolution. I'll be content knowing that I really didn't miss out on anything.

 

[QueenBeeBeeMari]

Though, I believe we should all be kind to one another, I also believe that apologizing for certain things (or everything) is dangerous to one's self-esteem.

Being mean for the sake of being mean is unhealthy and suggests emotional, social and mental problems.

However, saying something that's not "nice" in defense of yourself isn't always a bad thing. For example, a boy was harassing me at school for two years straight. So, I finally asked him if his mother loved him. He shut up. It was either, defend myself with words (I was close to moving on to fists) or allow myself to be chipped away slowly by his comments. I feel no shame or guilt in questioning the love he got as a child.

And we can ignore some things, of course. And sometimes that's effective. But I don't think one should be ashamed of his or herself when defending his or herself.

Sticks and stones will break my bones but words will never hurt me? That's one of the biggest and most wide-spread lies. Speak carefully always but never fail yourself.

That was not mean.He probably was not shown love or attention as a child except when he acted out.So he was probably lashing out for attention.

 

[Duke Diablo]

That was not mean.He probably was not shown love or attention as a child except when he acted out.So he was probably lashing out for attention.

That doesn't mean I wouldn't hammer him like I hammered many guys like him during elementary and high school, with both words and fists, or simply by ignoring their existence.

Come at me with a sword, and with two you shall be greeted.

 

[Bashiku]

That doesn't mean I wouldn't hammer him like I hammered many guys like him during elementary and high school, with both words and fists, or simply by ignoring their existence.

Come at me with a sword, and with two you shall be greeted.

Just for future references how many swords can you carry?

 

[QueenBeeBeeMari]

Ok,you know what you guys can say words don't hurt all you want but can you say that to my face,when I was verbally abused all through school and at home and now I have low self esteem,can you say that to my mother who was also abused so much and made to think she was fat so she went and had the Gastric Bypass done and now she can't eat because every time she does she throws it right back up.She has had to go to the hospital several times and get an IV.Can you tell that to all the parents who lost their kids to Columbine?Can you say that to the parents who lost their kids to suicide because they couldn't take it anymore.I just want to know could you really say that to all those people who lost their kids to what you say is just words.

 

[QueenBeeBeeMari]

I hate to do this and normally I wouldn't;I can't control what you post in other threads and really I can't here but for once I want a thread with no rudeness in it and I don't think it's to much to ask for in one thread.

 

[the_jimmy_james]

I hate to do this and normally I wouldn't;I can't control what you post in other threads and really I can't here but for once I want a thread with no rudeness in it and I don't think it's to much to ask for in one thread.

While you are right in what you said earlier, you're also unrealistic. It's terrible that things were the way they were for you, and if I could give you a hug and a shoulder to lean on, I'd certainly offer it. At the same time, you must realize that asking people to "not be rude" is not the panacea you hope for. The first time that there's even an inkling of contention... BOOM. There's our basic nature coming back to haunt us.

I'm going to leave it at this. I dislike whenever someone acts like a butthead just because they feel some justification based on metrics they chose. I can't stand intolerance, and I WILL belittle someone who shows even the slightest amount of it. I don't care of that person is showing intolerance against something that I also hate.

As a humorous example, I don't like people who eat relish on their hot dogs (This is false. I don't really care.) Leonard Nimoy is eating a footlong with a ton of relish on it and making awful smacking sounds. Jaques Cousteau comes by and says "You pig! That is disgusting!! You will not eat relish in my presence!!"

Well, Cousteau is going to be told by me to F off. Leonard Nimoy can eat as much relish as he wants. I just won't be sharing any of it.

This is one example where I will never feel any remorse in treating another human being like dirt. I am intolerant of intolerance.

 

[juggernaut]

While you are right in what you said earlier, you're also unrealistic. It's terrible that things were the way they were for you, and if I could give you a hug and a shoulder to lean on, I'd certainly offer it. At the same time, you must realize that asking people to "not be rude" is not the panacea you hope for. The first time that there's even an inkling of contention... BOOM. There's our basic nature coming back to haunt us.

I'm going to leave it at this. I dislike whenever someone acts like a butthead just because they feel some justification based on metrics they chose. I can't stand intolerance, and I WILL belittle someone who shows even the slightest amount of it. I don't care of that person is showing intolerance against something that I also hate.

As a humorous example, I don't like people who eat relish on their hot dogs (This is false. I don't really care.) Leonard Nimoy is eating a footlong with a ton of relish on it and making awful smacking sounds. Jaques Cousteau comes by and says "You pig! That is disgusting!! You will not eat relish in my presence!!"

Well, Cousteau is going to be told by me to F off. Leonard Nimoy can eat as much relish as he wants. I just won't be sharing any of it.

This is one example where I will never feel any remorse in treating another human being like dirt. I am intolerant of intolerance.

THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE DEAD FUCKING WRONG!!!!!!! LEONARD NIMOY CAN NOT EAT AS MUCH RELISH AS HE WANTS!

 

[SocksNTicklish]

Honey I love what you're trying to do and I'm happy someone here thinks the way you do. But you can't just stop a primal instinct or even a sense or emotion like hate or anger.>_<

But that's why I either walk away or curse once or twice. It at least calms my anger.>_<

Hopefully people can at the very least, settle down instead of going so far out against each other. Though that's very very difficult to obtain anywhere. ._. But you still have me to keep you happy and a shoulder to lean on or hold.n.n

 

[FeatherDaemon1]

I hate to do this and normally I wouldn't;I can't control what you post in other threads and really I can't here but for once I want a thread with no rudeness in it and I don't think it's to much to ask for in one thread.

As a humorous example, I don't like people who eat relish on their hot dogs (This is false. I don't really care.) Leonard Nimoy is eating a footlong with a ton of relish on it and making awful smacking sounds. Jaques Cousteau comes by and says "You pig! That is disgusting!! You will not eat relish in my presence!!"

One thread is not much to ask. So it is not an unreasonable request.

The one point that you are missing in your example is that Jacques Cousteau is not just walking over to Leonard Nimoy. Mr. Cousteau is minding his own business on the Nautilus waiting for Santa Claus to arrive while enjoying a hot dog. It is Leonard Nimoy who has crashed the party and started going crazy with that disgusting relish. Jacques is within his rights to say to Leonard that while you are here on the Nautilus please eat your hot dog with a little more decorum.

 

[the_jimmy_james]

Damn it all. You're both too damn smart and are onto me!

CURSES!

 

[Budweiserbob!]

Wow... QB... I'm sorry to hear about what you went through when you were younger. I'm no stranger to ridicule either. It sorta comes with being abnormally tall. Words have the potential to do a lot. They have the potential to unite people, or break them apart. The words themselves may not be strong, but it's the meaning behind them that makes them... so powerful. As a moderator, I'm all in favour of having a friendlier, more pleasant community. It'd make my job so much easier.

But...

Asking people not be rude is, in a sense, near impossible. I say this because I know that for some people being rude is their nature, it's a part of who they are. There's very little we can actually do about it... well we could ban everyone who's shared a rude thought or action... but that's just over the top. 😛
You've mentioned manners, you've mentioned respect... but really, these things only help increase the chances of people growing up kind. It's not a fool-proof, 100% guaranteed way of stopping rudeness in peoples lives. There's going to be times when someone will give a rude outburst. >.<
So... I'm sorry to break this to you... but asking for threads which contain no rudeness what so ever... it is too much to ask for. 🙁

 

[juggernaut]

You don't say a word to Leonard Nimoy unless you want VNPTFO. That would be... illogical.

 

[QueenBeeBeeMari]

Honey I love what you're trying to do and I'm happy someone here thinks the way you do. But you can't just stop a primal instinct or even a sense or emotion like hate or anger.>_<

But that's why I either walk away or curse once or twice. It at least calms my anger.>_<

Hopefully people can at the very least, settle down instead of going so far out against each other. Though that's very very difficult to obtain anywhere. ._. But you still have me to keep you happy and a shoulder to lean on or hold.n.n

aww honey,I love you too but I still don't see why all of you think rudeness is an instinct?I think it's learned at home,on tv,or other sources.

 

[QueenBeeBeeMari]

Wow... QB... I'm sorry to hear about what you went through when you were younger. I'm no stranger to ridicule either. It sorta comes with being abnormally tall. Words have the potential to do a lot. They have the potential to unite people, or break them apart. The words themselves may not be strong, but it's the meaning behind them that makes them... so powerful. As a moderator, I'm all in favour of having a friendlier, more pleasant community. It'd make my job so much easier.

But...

Asking people not be rude is, in a sense, near impossible. I say this because I know that for some people being rude is their nature, it's a part of who they are. There's very little we can actually do about it... well we could ban everyone who's shared a rude thought or action... but that's just over the top. 😛
You've mentioned manners, you've mentioned respect... but really, these things only help increase the chances of people growing up kind. It's not a fool-proof, 100% guaranteed way of stopping rudeness in peoples lives. There's going to be times when someone will give a rude outburst. >.<
So... I'm sorry to break this to you... but asking for threads which contain no rudeness what so ever... it is too much to ask for. 🙁

It's ok kids will be kids

 

[QueenBeeBeeMari]

While you are right in what you said earlier, you're also unrealistic. It's terrible that things were the way they were for you, and if I could give you a hug and a shoulder to lean on, I'd certainly offer it. At the same time, you must realize that asking people to "not be rude" is not the panacea you hope for. The first time that there's even an inkling of contention... BOOM. There's our basic nature coming back to haunt us.

I'm going to leave it at this. I dislike whenever someone acts like a butthead just because they feel some justification based on metrics they chose. I can't stand intolerance, and I WILL belittle someone who shows even the slightest amount of it. I don't care of that person is showing intolerance against something that I also hate.

As a humorous example, I don't like people who eat relish on their hot dogs (This is false. I don't really care.) Leonard Nimoy is eating a footlong with a ton of relish on it and making awful smacking sounds. Jaques Cousteau comes by and says "You pig! That is disgusting!! You will not eat relish in my presence!!"

Well, Cousteau is going to be told by me to F off. Leonard Nimoy can eat as much relish as he wants. I just won't be sharing any of it.

This is one example where I will never feel any remorse in treating another human being like dirt. I am intolerant of intolerance.

How is rudeness a basic nature?You don't come out just being rude,you learn rudeness from a source like brothers or sissters

 

[Violetta]

How is rudeness a basic nature?You don't come out just being rude,you learn rudeness from a source like brothers or sissters

Marie, I know you won't understand the basics behind what I'm saying, but I feel compelled to type anyway. Rudeness is natural because it is a defense mechanism. Whenever someone feels their back is against the wall, they'll turn rude as a means of keeping away whoever is bothering them. In a forum-relevant example, when someone is saying something or behaving in a way that another member doesn't like, they'll often turn to rudeness to make them shut the fuck up. Maybe if everyone lived in your world of pixies and rainbows, we wouldn't be rude. But people actually do get frustrated, they do get angry, and they do have damn good reasons why they often become rude.

 

[Dr. Bill Kobb]

This'll probably sound pretty "lollipops & kittens" to most, but I love all you guys for one reason or another. There, I've said it! I refuse to apologize! I'm NOT sorry! *Runs out of room bawling like a little girl*

I wouldn't want to (just as a for-instance) see either Q.B.B.M. or B.D. above change in any way. We're all just being ourselves. It'd suck if we were all doing it the same way. There's always the handy ignore-function, which I'm happy to say I haven't felt the desire to utilize in over a year!

Keep in mind also: It's a big place. If you find yourself in a grouchy mood or whatever, it can be therapeutic to skip the topical chit-chat and just gorge on all the great art and stories and clips and so on that are available.

But everybody's going to have bad days, and the more time people spend with each other, even in an online environment, the more little things can become irksome. Throw in the holidays during an economically turbulent year, and it's amazing we're not all in separate corners of the Theater, knives drawn, eying each other suspiciously.

 

[Ninjaboo]

This'll probably sound pretty "lollipops & kittens" to most, but I love all you guys for one reason or another. There, I've said it! I refuse to apologize! I'm NOT sorry! *Runs out of room bawling like a little girl*

I wouldn't want to (just as a for-instance) see either Q.B.B.M. or B.D. above change in any way. We're all just being ourselves. It'd suck if we were all doing it the same way. There's always the handy ignore-function, which I'm happy to say I haven't felt the desire to utilize in over a year!

Keep in mind also: It's a big place. If you find yourself in a grouchy mood or whatever, it can be therapeutic to skip the topical chit-chat and just gorge on all the great art and stories and clips and so on that are available.

But everybody's going to have bad days, and the more time people spend with each other, even in an online environment, the more little things can become irksome. Throw in the holidays during an economically turbulent year, and it's amazing we're not all in separate corners of the Theater, knives drawn, eying each other suspiciously.

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Omigod! I love you all too! TT^TT *sniffle*

 

[FeatherDaemon1]

:awe:

:sad:

Group hug everyone.... gather around and share the love. :hug: