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Im Starting To Agree With Primetime

The Fallen Angel

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Wow ive never really payed attention to it but Primetime is right, there are a lot of Laker haters out there. I mean they win the title and people still find a way to bash them, anytime i turn on espnnews or sportscenter they are making fun of or bellittling the Lakers for their parade. I mean when the Penguins,Steelers and Phillies had their parade no one said 2 words about them and they were of the same or greater cost. I see what primetime means, people will find any excuse to bash the lakers
 
I have to agree that there are a lot of Laker haters out there and on here. I think that a big part of it has to do with their success, people hate the Yankees and they're the most successful baseball franchise. 2 other reasons I think are basic hatred of the city of Los Angeles itself and a LOT of Kobe hatred. People give Bryant credit but never cease to rag on him as a baby, all that's wrong with sports today, etc. I can sort of see why Primetime went so bonkers when the Lakers won (although I can't speak for him) because it seemed like elation mixed with triumph over those Laker-haters that reading his posts seem to have been pestering him about Kobe all these years. :ilikepie:
 
People tend to hate LA and their sports teams a lot I think because there are a lot of celebrities here and they hate all that Hollyowood hype. Honestly I hate the Hollywood phonieness here to at times. However there are a lot of nice people here and it really is a great city. You just got to take the time to know it. 😀 I wuv LA. :wub:
 
:man::man::man:

Thank you fellas. Finally, someone who doesn't have pure blind hate towards Kobe Bryant and the Lakers understand where I am coming from. It really was simple wasn't it?

For the last 5 YEARS, I have had to defend Kobe and the Lakers from people on this forum and their upmost disgust, vile hatred for the LA Lakers, but more towards Kobe Bryant. They ran off at the mouth about Kobe as though he was a mass murderer. Granted, I started some threads, but it was in response to the hate being shown towards a man who did not do anything personal to them. Again, I invite ANYONE to go back, type "Kobe Bryant" into the search field and find all the threads and you will see how much hatred was spewed towards Kobe and the Lakers.

Now think about it. If you had to endure all the insults, all the trash talk for FIVE FREAKIN YEARS, you better be damn sure payback was coming. When Kobe Bryant led his team to a title, WITHOUT Shaquille O'Neal, it is the sweetest thing. My allegiance is always towards the Lakers. As long as Kobe wears that Lakers jersey, he will have my support. So to all those guys who ripped on Kobe, and who hated on him and said he will NEVER WIN AGAIN, you guys can all KISS MY.....well, you know. I even wrote in the past that if the Lakers win, those people will hate me. You can't talk a bunch of trash and not expect it back.

But to the 3 gentlemen who understands my plight. THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!

By the way, isn't that a SWEET picture of Kobe with the trophy in my sig? That picture is definitely worth a THOUSAND words. After all the bullshit criticism he has had to endure, he finally wins in the end. Absolutely amazing photo....
 
Wow ive never really payed attention to it but Primetime is right, there are a lot of Laker haters out there.

Okay , but so what?

Are people not allowed to NOT like the Lakers? ... or the Yankees? ... or the Cowboys?
 
Okay , but so what?

Are people not allowed to NOT like the Lakers? ... or the Yankees? ... or the Cowboys?

no but it gets crazy, i mean ripping a team for having a parade to celebrate their title win. Thats ridiculous they should celebrate and as i said no one said a word about the steelers, penguins or phillies parade
 
I don't rag on Kobe anymore, guy doesn't deserve it, and this was well before he won this championship. I think its just because people don't like the city itself, not necessarily the teams. I think its mainly because people are kinda resentful of the Big Market 'oh look how much money I have' cities like NYC and LA.
 
I'll admit that I used to hate Phil Jackson when he was with the Bulls, probably because I was a quasi Knicks fan when I lived in NY, and I got tired of seeing the Bulls beat the Knicks with regularity in every meaningful game.

Since Jackson got to L.A., and since I read his book, "The Last Season", I've developed a greater appreciation for the guy, and just how great a coach he is. I will admit that I wasn't sure if the Lakers would win a title again after Shaq left, and the setback in the Finals in 2008 continued my skepticism. However, after what Jackson has accomplished this season, I now acknowledge that there isnt a better coach in the game than Phil, and that Kobe is the best player in the league, and doesn't need Shaq or anyone to help him win titles. I think this year's title for the Lakers, might well be the first of several more to come. Hopefully, Phil's health will allow him to return to coaching for a few more years, and he can win some more titles.

Mitch
 
I don't like L.A. and I never will. Orlando's beating Cleveland just caused me to not give a fuck. I would've been a lot more interested to see Cleveland v. L.A. I hope there is something to the Shaq/Cleveland talk and we can see that matchup next season.
 
Man, if Cleveland made the Finals, it would have been a clean sweep. Orlando exposed the Cavs for what they are. One guy and a bunch of stiffs. There was no one else on Cleveland's team except Lebron that put fear in anyone. Mo Williams? Is it a real surprise he was originally left off the All-Star team? NO. Delonte West? hahahahahahahahaha. Big Z? have fun shooting 3 pointers. Varejeo (sp)? Give me a break. anyone else?
 
You Get What You Give.

no but it gets crazy, i mean ripping a team for having a parade to celebrate their title win. Thats ridiculous they should celebrate and as i said no one said a word about the steelers, penguins or phillies parade

What all the "over-the-top" fans of any team need to realize is that once they quit making so much damn noise about their squads , they will probably notice a decrease in negativity thrown back at them.

The louder & more obnoxiously you root for your team , the louder & more obnoxious the criticism/"hate" is gonna come from the other way.
 
What all the "over-the-top" fans of any team need to realize is that once they quit making so much damn noise about their squads , they will probably notice a decrease in negativity thrown back at them.

The louder & more obnoxiously you root for your team , the louder & more obnoxious the criticism/"hate" is gonna come from the other way.

That is it in a nutshell . When an individual shoves a team and a player year after year down everyone`s throat with such false brovato , that person aught to realize there could be repercussions
 
First of all, I never purposely "shoved" my team in anyone's face. You two (TKLMAN & Flock) really need to do some research and see what started it. But you're haters anyway. You have to go back in time and see what really happened. So, when the Steeler fans won, did you get upset about their fans posting ad naseum? No. When the Penguins won, did you say their fans are "shoving" their team down your throat? I didn't start the criticism. Go back and find out. You won't because you will learn the truth......
 
First of all, I never purposely "shoved" my team in anyone's face. You two (TKLMAN & Flock) really need to do some research and see what started it. But you're haters anyway. You have to go back in time and see what really happened. So, when the Steeler fans won, did you get upset about their fans posting ad naseum? No. When the Penguins won, did you say their fans are "shoving" their team down your throat? I didn't start the criticism. Go back and find out. You won't because you will learn the truth......

Just once, please don`t start out by ALWAYS saying do your research.

See , thats the thing . the Lakers were my favorite team when I first started to watch the NBA. In 1980 the Mavericks franchise began and since I live in the dallas fort worth area , they became my favorite team . So maybe you need to do a little research before you make all kinds of assumptions.

Maybe if you hadn`t lashed out against everyone by the now famous ''Kiss my ass '' quotes , it wouldn`t be so bad.

A little grace would have done you much better than trying to stick it to everyone . I bet there are other Lakers fans here than just you. But your rant made it seem the championship trophy is now sitting over your fireplace on the mantle


I respect people who will stand behind there favorite teams no matter what happens. It`s obvious you love the Lakers , and good for you . and yes, there are Lakers haters here because of their history of winning. But that also goes for teams like the Cowboys ; believe me I know, and the Yankees and all the most successfull franchises in sports
 
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First of all, I never purposely "shoved" my team in anyone's face. You two (TKLMAN & Flock) really need to do some research and see what started it. But you're haters anyway. You have to go back in time and see what really happened. So, when the Steeler fans won, did you get upset about their fans posting ad naseum? No. When the Penguins won, did you say their fans are "shoving" their team down your throat? I didn't start the criticism. Go back and find out. You won't because you will learn the truth......

*sigh* If it makes you feel better to dismiss me as a "hater" , primetime , then by all means , feel free. It seems to be that anyone who doesn't share your love for the Lakers & Kobe Bryant is labeled as one.

As far as doing research to see who "started it" ... first of all , it's a silly suggestion. Who's got the time to sift through your years of inane prattle? Besides , why should it be on anyone else's shoulders to vindicate you? If you're so interested in people knowing "the truth" , then you should do the research & showcase it for all to see.

Secondly , there's really no reason to at this point , is there? It's really become the 'chicken or the egg' debate. The fact of the matter is , it doesn't matter who started what , you are the one perpetuating it by constantly posting about Lakers-this & Kobe-that. If that's the way you want to go about your business ... fine ... but as I stated in my previous post , you get what you give. If you're going to post about Lakers/Kobe ad nauseam , you can't whine when people get sick of that crap & tell you to cool it.

But as I write this , I realize full well it's not going to make one lick of difference. You obviously take pride in this "me against the world" mentality & you crave the "confrontation" it brings. I'm just here to tell you that your act is ... so ..... very ....... tired. :zzzzz:

So go 'head ... call me a hater & tell me to go do some research yet again. You might as well change your screenname to brokenrecord ... 'cause it seems almost all of your posts repeat themselves.
 
TKLMAN, if my posts bother you so much, why on Earth are you even posting? Shouldn't you take the "high road" and say to yourself, "this primetime character is crazy and will probably run his mouth off at me. Why do I post in this thread KNOWING he is going to attack me?" It's because you want me to post. So I will. Yes, you are a hater. If you read English clearly, then you would understand WHY I posted the "Kiss my ass" posts. Considering that your lack of knowledge of the Lakers and what happened in the past is well, abysmal, use your noggin and figure it out.

"Why would primetime lash out like he did?" is what you should be asking yourself. Then the tiny hamster in your head should have answered "Oh, he is mentioning that he had to go through 5 years of people insulting Kobe Bryant and his Laker teams. He probably got pissed off at the constant attacks on the team he loves, so now that his team has won, he is letting out 5 years of frustration. Hmm, that would make sense..."

Take this into consideration next time you "think" you're sounding like the voice of reason. If the Dallas Cowboys win the Super Bowl, please go into the threads that will be started by fanatic Cowboy fans and tell them that their "act is tired". Also think before you speak. In other words, get the full story. Do you remember a thread started not too long ago that essentially stated that the Lakers are an embarrassment to the NBA? Go read that. Oh wait, you're too lazy to do that so instead you want to make it seem like "Primetime is just running off at the mouth." I even told people that if the Lakers win the title, I am going to run my damn mouth due to all the bullshit that went on about Kobe/Lakers. When I am done, Kobe/Laker haters will probably hate me. Don't care. If you can't take trash talk, then don't start none yourself. How come the first three posters understand my emotion, but not you? They get it, what's wrong with you? Oh, I get it. You actually don't like the Lakers and this is your attempt of jabbing at me.

Bring it.


Flock, c'mon man. Think about it. People talk about "having grace". Screw that. If you want to run off at the mouth at another poster and insult the team he likes and go to the extent of insinuating that I am on Kobe's nuts and to even have a poster say I advocate raping of women, JUST BECAUSE I defended Kobe in his rape accusation years back, then you better be ready to receive the same crap back. You will lash back when Kobe/Lakers finally succeed and to hear the silence of all those people who talked so much trash with reckless abandon, is worth it all. I want all those people from those days to open their traps now. I want them to say "Kobe will never win without Shaq." Where are they? If I should have grace, why didn't they?
 
TKLMAN, if my posts bother you so much, why on Earth are you even posting? Shouldn't you take the "high road" and say to yourself, "this primetime character is crazy and will probably run his mouth off at me. Why do I post in this thread KNOWING he is going to attack me?" It's because you want me to post. So I will. Yes, you are a hater. If you read English clearly, then you would understand WHY I posted the "Kiss my ass" posts. Considering that your lack of knowledge of the Lakers and what happened in the past is well, abysmal, use your noggin and figure it out.

"Why would primetime lash out like he did?" is what you should be asking yourself. Then the tiny hamster in your head should have answered "Oh, he is mentioning that he had to go through 5 years of people insulting Kobe Bryant and his Laker teams. He probably got pissed off at the constant attacks on the team he loves, so now that his team has won, he is letting out 5 years of frustration. Hmm, that would make sense..."

Take this into consideration next time you "think" you're sounding like the voice of reason. If the Dallas Cowboys win the Super Bowl, please go into the threads that will be started by fanatic Cowboy fans and tell them that their "act is tired". Also think before you speak. In other words, get the full story. Do you remember a thread started not too long ago that essentially stated that the Lakers are an embarrassment to the NBA? Go read that. Oh wait, you're too lazy to do that so instead you want to make it seem like "Primetime is just running off at the mouth." I even told people that if the Lakers win the title, I am going to run my damn mouth due to all the bullshit that went on about Kobe/Lakers. When I am done, Kobe/Laker haters will probably hate me. Don't care. If you can't take trash talk, then don't start none yourself. How come the first three posters understand my emotion, but not you? They get it, what's wrong with you? Oh, I get it. You actually don't like the Lakers and this is your attempt of jabbing at me.

Bring it.


Flock, c'mon man. Think about it. People talk about "having grace". Screw that. If you want to run off at the mouth at another poster and insult the team he likes and go to the extent of insinuating that I am on Kobe's nuts and to even have a poster say I advocate raping of women, JUST BECAUSE I defended Kobe in his rape accusation years back, then you better be ready to receive the same crap back. You will lash back when Kobe/Lakers finally succeed and to hear the silence of all those people who talked so much trash with reckless abandon, is worth it all. I want all those people from those days to open their traps now. I want them to say "Kobe will never win without Shaq." Where are they? If I should have grace, why didn't they?

:clap:


agreed if i went threw that with the steelers id be running my mouth as well. As you said if people can kick your team when their down you can talk trash for the whole year when they win the title. Hell if been talking trash to Cowboys fans for years and if they win i expect a lot of them to run their mouth to me and its well deserved (good thing i dont have to worry about them winning). But i guess it comes down to hurt ego, all these people who have been giving you shit for years were enjoying doing it and now that they cant they are attempting to grasp at anything and its annoying them that you have bragging rights. I say if i were you id be running my mouth all year. 2 of my teams won the title this year (steelers and penguins) and i havent run my mouth but i would if there were a lot of pitt haters. If your a dodger fan being from la i asume you are your going to have a whole new amount of trash to talk when they take the world series. But as i said enjoy it and run your mouth watching the haters attempting to reason why they hate and still attempting to belittle is amusing me :clap:
 
Predictable.

When cornered by logic & reason , our boy comes out swingin' w/a response that never addresses the logical & reasonable questions that have been posed to him. Instead , he delivers a post sprinkled w/jibes & deflections in an attempt to steer attention away from him ever addressing those fairly basic questions.

I will ask those questions again :

- Why are people not allowed to like the Lakers/Kobe?

- Why are people who don't like the Lakers/Kobe labeled , by you , as "haters"?

- Do you even realize that the louder you constantly toot the Lakers'/Kobe's horn , the louder the opposing feedback is going to be? If you realize this , then why do you do it?

- Why should anyone else go through all the hassle of researching numerous threads to see where all this mess "started"? Why don't you take it upon yourself to do this & then post links for everybody so that they can better see where you are coming from?

- Tell me , do you enjoy these little online confrontations?




Now , to be fair :


TKLMAN, if my posts bother you so much, why on Earth are you even posting?

So what you're saying is ... if certain posts bother somebody , then they shouldn't respond to them?

Ummm , forgive me for stating the obvious , but isn't that your MO? Every single time someone says something about the Lakers/Kobe that you don't agree with , you're all over 'em like white on rice! If their posts bother you so much , why on Earth are you even posting?

Take a page from your own book , brokenrecord.

Shouldn't you take the "high road" and say to yourself, "this primetime character is crazy and will probably run his mouth off at me. Why do I post in this thread KNOWING he is going to attack me?"

If you think I worry 'bout how a "crazy character" might respond to me as a result of something I post , then you're sorely mistaken. You're not nearly as "intimidating" or as impressive as you think you are.

It's because you want me to post. So I will.

Riiiiight. That's it. 🙄

Yes, you are a hater. If you read English clearly, then you would understand WHY I posted the "Kiss my ass" posts. Considering that your lack of knowledge of the Lakers and what happened in the past is well, abysmal, use your noggin and figure it out.

Again w/the "hater" label?

To label someone as a hater , what you're basically saying is that person is either jealous or angry or both. It's a dismissive term that you improperly throw around way too much & it's aimed at people who simply have different tastes than you.

You love the Lakers ... that's fine. Many others do not love the Lakers ... that is also fine.

"Why would primetime lash out like he did?" is what you should be asking yourself. Then the tiny hamster in your head should have answered "Oh, he is mentioning that he had to go through 5 years of people insulting Kobe Bryant and his Laker teams. He probably got pissed off at the constant attacks on the team he loves, so now that his team has won, he is letting out 5 years of frustration. Hmm, that would make sense..."

You make it seem as though you've been sitting idly by the last five years & patiently awaiting to respond to those critics.

People have had to put up w/your constant Lakers/Kobe propaganda for a very long time , now ... so , naturally , some of those people are going to be frustrated by it & lash back.

Take this into consideration next time you "think" you're sounding like the voice of reason. If the Dallas Cowboys win the Super Bowl, please go into the threads that will be started by fanatic Cowboy fans and tell them that their "act is tired".

If nearly every time for the next five years I enter the TMF Sports Forum & have to read some clown's endless parade of pro-Cowboys comments , then I just might do that.

Also think before you speak. In other words, get the full story. Do you remember a thread started not too long ago that essentially stated that the Lakers are an embarrassment to the NBA? Go read that. Oh wait, you're too lazy to do that so instead you want to make it seem like "Primetime is just running off at the mouth."

Like I stated before , brokenrecord , it doesn't matter who started anything. If you're going to keep using the old "But , Mom ... they started it!" excuse for everything , then I've really got nothing for you.

I even told people that if the Lakers win the title, I am going to run my damn mouth due to all the bullshit that went on about Kobe/Lakers. When I am done, Kobe/Laker haters will probably hate me. Don't care.

So you forewarned people that you were going to be annoying ... great. Doesn't make you any less annoying.

If you can't take trash talk, then don't start none yourself.

Who said I couldn't take trash-talk?

How come the first three posters understand my emotion, but not you? They get it, what's wrong with you?

I see. So , if someone disagrees w/you , that means there's something wrong w/them?

Going by your logic , if I were to find three people that agreed w/my emotion ... who get what I'm saying ... then does that mean that there's something wrong w/you?

How silly is that?

Oh, I get it. You actually don't like the Lakers and this is your attempt of jabbing at me.

You're right. I'm not what you would call a fan of the Los Angeles Lakers. I don't hate them , but , yeah ... there's teams that I'd say I probably like better. Since Buffalo no longer has an NBA franchise , I don't really have an allegiance to any team. But so what ... that's besides the point.

Whether I like the Lakers or not is irrelevant. If you go back & do the research ( like it? I borrowed that from someone you know ) , you will find that I was never among the ones who have given you crap over the last five years , or however long it's been.

I'm only recently speaking up because you've helped to turn this sub-forum into a hostile environment w/your constant bickering & repetitive statements. I might enjoy visiting the Sports Forum a little more if it wasn't for the 'same shit/different day' goings-on.

Bring it.

This.

This simple quote of yours may seem innocent enough , but what it says about you is what I've thought all along ... you crave this kind of confrontation , don't you?

Admit it ... every time you read a post saying something negative about the Lakers/Kobe , your adrenaline starts pumping & you can't wait to dig into the poster who had the "audacity" to simply have a different opinion than you.

... & that's what I mean. You perpetuate this nonsense by your need to satiate those cravings ... & then you cry "victim" when people respond to your lunacy. Maybe you didn't create this monster ( again , it's irrelevant how it all got started ) , but you're definitely the one most responsible for keeping it alive.

Someone once told me ... "If you can't take trash-talk , then don't start none yourself."

Flock, c'mon man. Think about it. People talk about "having grace". Screw that. If you want to run off at the mouth at another poster and insult the team he likes and go to the extent of insinuating that I am on Kobe's nuts and to even have a poster say I advocate raping of women, JUST BECAUSE I defended Kobe in his rape accusation years back, then you better be ready to receive the same crap back. You will lash back when Kobe/Lakers finally succeed and to hear the silence of all those people who talked so much trash with reckless abandon, is worth it all. I want all those people from those days to open their traps now. I want them to say "Kobe will never win without Shaq." Where are they? If I should have grace, why didn't they?

Dude ... I totally get why anybody would want to stand up & defend their favorite team and/or player , but you take it to ridiculously new heights.

Look , I'll put it to you this way ... why don't you take a cue from your man & respond to people's comments & idiocy w/dignity & class? A little decorum would go a long way.

You're right ... people have been criticizing Kobe for years. But think about how he's handled himself since winning the championship. Do you hear him screaming from the rooftops telling people to "KISS MY ASS" in vindication? You like the guy so much , maybe it would better serve you to try & emulate a bit of his tactfulness









... & you.

:clap:


agreed if i went threw that with the steelers id be running my mouth as well. As you said if people can kick your team when their down you can talk trash for the whole year when they win the title. Hell if been talking trash to Cowboys fans for years and if they win i expect a lot of them to run their mouth to me and its well deserved (good thing i dont have to worry about them winning). But i guess it comes down to hurt ego, all these people who have been giving you shit for years were enjoying doing it and now that they cant they are attempting to grasp at anything and its annoying them that you have bragging rights. I say if i were you id be running my mouth all year. 2 of my teams won the title this year (steelers and penguins) and i havent run my mouth but i would if there were a lot of pitt haters. If your a dodger fan being from la i asume you are your going to have a whole new amount of trash to talk when they take the world series. But as i said enjoy it and run your mouth watching the haters attempting to reason why they hate and still attempting to belittle is amusing me :clap:

... you're applauding his response?

The fact that you think brokenrecord's response was something to clap about doesn't say much about you. Taking into account the creation of this very thread & your obvious newfound adoration for him , I'd say you're swinging just as hard on brokenrecord's jock as he is on Kobe's.
 
... you're applauding his response?

The fact that you think brokenrecord's response was something to clap about doesn't say much about you. Taking into account the creation of this very thread & your obvious newfound adoration for him , I'd say you're swinging just as hard on brokenrecord's jock as he is on Kobe's.

nice but not quite, i like seeing someone stand up for their team and give back all the shit they got for years.. seems to me your sore and just cant take it
 
nice but not quite, i like seeing someone stand up for their team and give back all the shit they got for years.. seems to me your sore and just cant take it

I agree with you about standing up for one`s team . But standing up for one`s team and dishing out the shit as well is a whole other subject .

and I am all for good natured '' shit -talking '' ; You being a steelers fan and me being a Cowboys fan we had traded good natured barbs. But I bet you would agree that neither one of us has gotten mean -spirited or vulgar toward each other .

I guess in my mind ''Kiss my ass '' thread will always be hand in hand with this. It was basically telling EVERYONE off and was very mean- spirited and hateful . I would think it would be MUCH MORE FUN to celebrate the championship victory rather than running to your computer to tell everyone to '' Kiss my ass '' .
 
First of all, Trez, man, you get it. I don't know if you're a Laker fan or not, but you hit the nail on the head. My team won, I get bragging rights. It's very simple. See, what I like are these types that come in like they are the "voice of reason" but they're nothing but guys who have no clue on things so they just want to stir up trouble. The problem is, I can't really let them have it, considering this is a moderated forum. Thank you for having the insight to see what is really happening.

TKLMAN, dude, you crack me up. Do you really think you sound like the rational one? Tell you what, I'm going to point out some things and let's see if you can understand simple English. Probably not, but here we go.

Logic and reasoning? You actually think you are giving logic and reasoning? Here are some flaws with your argument. You don't even understand where my emotion comes from. Fine I will play the game. Here are the answers to your questions you posed.

1) Of course people are allowed to dislike the Lakers/Kobe Bryant. Never ever said they couldn't.

2) "Haters". It's a slang term often used for people who dislike a certain team/person/color/expressions, etc. and EXPRESSING their displeasure with that "item". So anyone who dislikes the Lakers/Kobe will be called a "hater". I, for example, am a Boston Celtic "hater". I am a Oakland Raiders "hater". See, does that clear it up for you?

3) Quite the contrary you misinformed poster. I never "toot" the Lakers horn ad naseum. Did you ever see countless Lakers threads during this NBA season? Do you ever see me claiming that the Lakers ARE A LOCK to win? No. I always leave it open that the Lakers could actually lose. "You lie!" you say? Go back and find a thread where I essentially guarantee the Lakers will win. Oh wait, that would mean you would get off your lazy ass and do the research. You would rather take a reaction after the fact, then think it is the start of something else. Laziness. Pure laziness.

4) See the end of answer #3. You claim I do all this stuff. Why don't you back up your claims? Put up or shut up.

5) Of COURSE I enjoy these online confrontations. DUH. Why else would I do them? To get stressed? Goodness. You sure are a smart one aren't you?



Did you do well in history class? Or did you nap through the entire time? If you did, no sweat, history isn't for everyone. But use common sense. The "Kiss my ass" thread was directed at a SPECIFIC group of people. I mean, I thought it was pretty plain English when I said "To all the Laker/Kobe haters out there....", "You all said 'Kobe will NEVER win without Shaq" and "You all said 'The Lakers won't contend for years", that it would SHOW that I am speaking to a group of people that I battled with before. Otherwise, where would I get the "You all said..."? There is a history.

Now, since there is a history between me and a specific group of people, (who I will not name, but they know who they are), the initial post was DESIGNED to strike back at them. "But why primetime?" Because again, like I mentioned several times already, there was a long standing battle between me and the Kobe/Later "haters" and seeing Kobe Bryant and the Lakers win the title makes it that much sweeter. There is nothing they can say. NOTHING AT ALL. But here you come and you call me out. How?

"Great. Now , one of the more annoying members of the TMF will be even more annoying for at least another year. Great."

Recognize this quote? Annoying member huh? I think I fall far down the scale of annoying posters on this forum. Did we ever cross paths? Why would you call me an annoying poster? Again, don't start none, won't be none. But since you want to play the game, we can play. Like you said, you weren't one of the ones who gave me shit about the Lakers, so why do you even care what I do? Trying to be a hero? Then you will have to deal with me. Call me a fool, whatever. But wasn't there a saying that went something to the effect of "Who's the fool? The Fool, or the one who follows him?" Gee, what does that make you?

Flock. Let me explain it to you so that you can perhaps understand my emotional state of mind when the Lakers won. Good natured ribbing is always fun. But when someone says "You advocate raping women because you are defending Kobe Bryant", then they have crossed the line. Just because I thought Kobe Bryant did not rape that woman (the evidence shows he didn't), I support the graphic, horrible attack of a woman? Dude, how would you feel? Then, as I was trying to defend myself, others came in and constantly harped on Kobe as being this selfish, arrogant player. I defended my favorite player and I'm on Kobe's nuts? Kobe Bryant has grace, but this is me. You will get what you dished out. Since I'm a guy who advocates rape, I guess I have to strike out even harder.

Plus, was "Kiss my ass" really that bad? If people get that sensitive on a sports messageboard over the phrase "Kiss my ass", then stop being such *expletive* and man up. My goodness people. Do you read the insults that get slung around in the P&R forum? Kiss my ass is nothing. Oh, but when Primetime says it, it's horrible. Man, I have much greater things. I have nothing against you Flock. You weren't part of a specific group of people who talked a gang of shit in the past about the Lakers. So my question is, if you weren't part of that group, why should you care?
 
First of all, Trez, man, you get it. I don't know if you're a Laker fan or not, but you hit the nail on the head. My team won, I get bragging rights. It's very simple. See, what I like are these types that come in like they are the "voice of reason" but they're nothing but guys who have no clue on things so they just want to stir up trouble. The problem is, I can't really let them have it, considering this is a moderated forum. Thank you for having the insight to see what is really happening.

Nope not a Lakers fan in the least, i just see how annoying it is to like a team with the history and markert of the Lakers. People hate for no reason and kick your team whenever they are down any chance they get. No one can win every year wether they are the cowboys lakers or yankees so i get that its frustrating when your team just has a good year or an ok year and you get ripped like they are the worst thing to ever happen in sports





I agree with you about standing up for one`s team . But standing up for one`s team and dishing out the shit as well is a whole other subject .

and I am all for good natured '' shit -talking '' ; You being a steelers fan and me being a Cowboys fan we had traded good natured barbs. But I bet you would agree that neither one of us has gotten mean -spirited or vulgar toward each other .

I guess in my mind ''Kiss my ass '' thread will always be hand in hand with this. It was basically telling EVERYONE off and was very mean- spirited and hateful . I would think it would be MUCH MORE FUN to celebrate the championship victory rather than running to your computer to tell everyone to '' Kiss my ass '' .


agreed i enjoying ribbing each other and we havent been mean spirited but you should understand where primetime is coming from being a cowboys fan. I hate the cowboys and as you know rip on them every oppertunity i get and cowboys fans have it rough as do lakers and yankees fans. Fans of other teams hate on teams who have long lasting support and success, so i get that its frustrating for primetime as i imagine it is for yourself. I disagreed with the kiss my ass thing and even wrote that in the thread it was in, but in all honesty sports fan usually get much worse and it isnt that bad.
 
... seems to me your sore and just cant take it

Well , no.

As I stated before , I currently don't have an allegiance to any particular NBA team. If the Lakers win the championship ... fine. If another team wins it ... fine. I can't be sore about the Lakers winning the title if I don't care that much who wins the title in the first place.


TKLMAN, dude, you crack me up. Do you really think you sound like the rational one?

Actually , yes , I do.

You are obviously a very emotional person & it's easy to see that you get very worked up over matters dealing w/the Lakers & Kobe. Those feelings are clearly reflected in your posts. Whereas for me , I am mostly indifferent w/anything having to do w/the Lakers. Hence , I'm not so emotional about it.

Emotion tends to cloud logic & reason , so yeah ... I definitely think I'm coming across as the more rational one of the two of us.

1) Of course people are allowed to dislike the Lakers/Kobe Bryant. Never ever said they couldn't.

Maybe not in so many words ... but every time you swoop in to tell off a poster who happens to not be a Lakers/Kobe fan , that action more than shows that disliking the Lakers/Kobe isn't kosher in the 'House of Brokenrecord'.

I'm just asking here , but is it possible for someone on this forum to say something negative about your beloved Lakers and/or Kobe without receiving your ire?

2) "Haters". It's a slang term often used for people who dislike a certain team/person/color/expressions, etc. and EXPRESSING their displeasure with that "item". So anyone who dislikes the Lakers/Kobe will be called a "hater". I, for example, am a Boston Celtic "hater". I am a Oakland Raiders "hater". See, does that clear it up for you?

lol Yes , I know that hater is a slang term & I'm familiar w/many of its uses. I wasn't seeking a definition from you.

I guess the word carries a bit more weight w/me than it does w/you , though. To me , when somebody calls someone else a hater , they're implying that the person is hating for no good reason ... as if to say , the person's opinions on whatever it is they are accused of "hating" are completely worthless ... & that's a pretty crappy way to treat someone else's opinions , if ya ask me. As I stated in my previous post , it's a dismissive term.

To the best of my recollection , I've never said one negative thing about the Lakers or Kobe Bryant on this forum. I have never before given you crap about your love for them , brokenrecord. In short , I've never given you a reason to deem me "a hater".

So when , in this very thread , you labeled me a hater , I took offense to that. You used that word to dismiss me ( & FlockOfSeagulls ) & basically say that anything I've said or will say about the topic is irrelevent. That led me to respond a bit more strongly in a following post & ... well ... that brings us to here , I suppose.

3) Quite the contrary you misinformed poster. I never "toot" the Lakers horn ad naseum.

Uh , yeahhhh ... you kinda do ....... & I'm fairly certain that there are others who would agree w/that.

Oh wait, that would mean you would get off your lazy ass and do the research. You would rather take a reaction after the fact, then think it is the start of something else. Laziness. Pure laziness.

lol That's the second time you accused me of being lazy for not wanting to "research" your posts. The very idea sounds pretty ridiculous to me.

Dude , there's waaayyy too much other fun & interesting stuff on this forum that I'd rather be doing than going through all your old posts. You're not that high a priority to me. You can call it "lazy" again if you want to , but I simply just don't care enough about your cause to be doing something for you that you can ( & should ) easily be doing yourself.

4) See the end of answer #3. You claim I do all this stuff. Why don't you back up your claims? Put up or shut up.

... & why don't you back up yours?

Dude , I will now suggest this to you for the third time :

Dig up whatever threads you feel will better illustrate your point(s) & post the links for them so people can check up on 'em that way. You are the one claiming that the truth lies within these threads/posts , the responsibilty should be yours to prove it ... not anyone else's. Otherwise , it just comes across as you trying to get others to do your work for you , which , I dunno ... sounds kinda lazy to me.

You are the one telling people to go back & research all these threads , & yet you don't seem to be willing to do that research yourself ( which would be easier for you to do , anyway , since you participated in them ). If you're not willing to do it , then stop telling others to do it.

You're exactly right ... put up or shut up.

5) Of COURSE I enjoy these online confrontations. DUH. Why else would I do them? To get stressed? Goodness. You sure are a smart one aren't you?

I asked that question already knowing the answer , Einstein ... I just wanted you to come out & officially make it public.

*** This has pretty much been my point the entire time , brokenrecord ... since these confrontations are something you enjoy so much , wouldn't that make you the one who's responsible for 'stirring up trouble' , moreso than your perceived "haters" ... or those "voice of reason" types? 🙄 ***

"DUH" , indeed.

At the risk of becoming a broken record myself , I'll again highlight for you what I've already clearly stated ( & which you continue to avoid addressing ) to hopefully bring my point home a little bit :


What all the "over-the-top" fans of any team need to realize is that once they quit making so much damn noise about their squads , they will probably notice a decrease in negativity thrown back at them.

The louder & more obnoxiously you root for your team , the louder & more obnoxious the criticism/"hate" is gonna come from the other way.


... it doesn't matter who started what , you are the one perpetuating it by constantly posting about Lakers-this & Kobe-that. If that's the way you want to go about your business ... fine ... but as I stated in my previous post , you get what you give. If you're going to post about Lakers/Kobe ad nauseam , you can't whine when people get sick of that crap & tell you to cool it.

But as I write this , I realize full well it's not going to make one lick of difference. You obviously take pride in this "me against the world" mentality & you crave the "confrontation" it brings.


This.

This simple quote of yours may seem innocent enough , but what it says about you is what I've thought all along ... you crave this kind of confrontation , don't you?

Admit it ... every time you read a post saying something negative about the Lakers/Kobe , your adrenaline starts pumping & you can't wait to dig into the poster who had the "audacity" to simply have a different opinion than you.

... & that's what I mean. You perpetuate this nonsense by your need to satiate those cravings ... & then you cry "victim" when people respond to your lunacy. Maybe you didn't create this monster , but you're definitely the one most responsible for keeping it alive.


In short , brokenrecord ... quit fucking complaining. Regardless of how it all started , you have mostly yourself to blame for its continued existence.

If you truly wanted the negativity towards the Lakers/Kobe to decrease , then you'd tone down your antics. But by saying you enjoy these online confrontations , you're basically admitting to not wanting that negativity towards the Lakers/Kobe to decrease , so obviously , your preaching will continue ... to keep the confrontations alive. It pretty much makes you a hypocrite , though.

But you know what ...? As annoying as it is , it's not the in-your-face attitude & the like that bothers me so much ... it's the fact that you fail to see your part in the whole mess while you continue to blame others under the guise of "But I was just defending myself". Please ... you're not fooling anybody.

"Great. Now , one of the more annoying members of the TMF will be even more annoying for at least another year. Great."

Recognize this quote? Annoying member huh? I think I fall far down the scale of annoying posters on this forum. Did we ever cross paths? Why would you call me an annoying poster?

Of course I remember that quote. While I did make it only partly in jest , I still stand by it. In the same quote , though , I also stated :

Still ... congrats to you , primetime , on your team winning the NBA championship. Enjoy the moment.

Funny how you don't even recognize the last part. I suspect that it has something to do w/your tendency to perceive that most everyone is against you ... or maybe it's just that the negative aspects of things stand out to you more than the positive stuff ... I dunno , whatever ...

I intended for the first part of that post to come across somewhat jokey. W/most humor , though , there's always a ring of truth to it. In this case , my opinion of the truth.

Not that you care ... nor should you ... but yeah , you've almost always come across as fairly annoying to me. No , our paths have never crossed per se , but when one does happen upon one of your posts , you've got to realize , man , that the arrogance & pompousness hits the reader in the face like a fuckin' sledgehammer ... at least in my case , anyways.

Is that who you really are? I dunno ... maybe , maybe not. I'm willing to concede that it's possible I'm totally wrong about you.

If you go back & do the research ( sorry ... couldn't resist ) , you'll find that I don't have a history of making enemies here on the TMF. It's just not my style.

Look ... I still stand by everything I've stated , but I hope you believe me when I say I'd rather not be enemies ... w/you or anyone. I understand that after reading over what I've said in this post , you're probably gonna want to respond in your "usual" manner. That's fine ... I can take it.

But maybe when that's all over , we'll look back at this thread at some point & laugh it off. Am I saying we'll ever be friends ...? Ehh , kinda too early to be goin' that far , I suspect ... but maybe we can reach an understanding & come to a point where when we come across one another's post in our TMF travels , we'll amusingly say to ourselves , "Oh yeah ... that guy".

If & when you're ever ready to , primetime , I'll be here ready & willing to , uh ... not be your enemy.

For what it's worth , I again offer congratulations to you on the Los Angeles Lakers winning the NBA championship.
 
Actually TKLMAN, the burden of proof doesn't lie with me, it lies with you. You claim I was one of the more annoying posters on the board. When? With just the Lakers stuff? My stories are well received, I generally do not post much, so when was I this "annoying" poster before besides the LA Lakers? If it is about the Lakers, then if you had a shred of common sense, my posts about them are usually defensive. Whenever I do start a neutral post about them, then "haters" come in and bash the Lakers. Yeah, I will defend them like any other fan of their team will do.

Then people got personal. Would you agree that if you were told that you advocate rape just because you defended an accused man, wouldn't you get the least bit upset? That is the one comment that still drives me so to speak. Then you have a specific group of people who blast a guy, but have no real opinions of their own, but to repeat what they hear in the media? My "style" is to invoke emotion out of others. Call it a gift. Sports is emotional. Live with it. But if you're going to talk nonsense, you better be ready to receive any backlash. Obviously I'm not because I continue to post to you. I can go forever. It's the nature of sports talk. I never back away and I am man enough to admit I was wrong. But you never really see me "bash" another team unless I am willing to back it up.

I never ever bash anything unless I can back my claims up. When I bash the Cavaliers, I bash them with knowledge of what their players are like. Turns out I was right. But if Cleveland fans want to scream, yell and rant (like you claim I do) at me, then I am more than willing to scream, yell and rant back. That's sports. That is why I said "kiss my ass". That was directed to a select group of people who ran off at the mouth for years. Who ever told you to get involved? Free country I guess, but you must like the confrontation too. Why else are you dealing with a passionate Laker fan?

Again, the burden of proof lies with you. You made a claim that I post ad naseum about the Lakers. You haven't shown how. My "Kiss my ass" rantings were directed to SPECIFIC people. I told you WHY they got it. If you weren't one of those people from the past, then obviously "kiss my ass" doesn't apply to you. Notice the others who posted in that initial thread didn't receive any "rantings" or extreme "passion" at them. Why is that?

No one ever said you were my enemy. If anyone ever knew me (and some people do), I am far from my "Lakers fan" personality. You wouldn't even believe it's the same guy. This is my writing style. Some people like it, some don't. Yes, I am emotional. But, contrary to what you believe, I am in complete control of my emotions. Like you might have noticed, this "passion" on the board is very calculated. And you fell for it, hook, line and sinker. Don't you think I wanted people to lash out when they read that post? Don't you think I know I am going to get some people who get offended?

Don't play with a shark unless you are willing to get bit.

Oh yeah, like you musical selections in the hip hop thread, although 2pac should have been mentioned....greatest rap artist of all time.

Hey Trez, at least you understand what sports trash talk is all about. Looking forward to football season. Hopefully my 49ers can equal the Steelers amount of titles. Just one tidbit though. The 49ers are the only mulitple Super Bowl winners who are undefeated in the Super Bowl...
 
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