Is it so wrong to think Lucifer isn't all that bad?

[billylee]

Here is the only truth you will need: God is an imagined being that doesn't really exist, and Heaven is a myth, and Hell and torment and eternal damnation are never going to happen - until the doctor gives you a month to live and you look up to the ceiling and shout, "I was only kidding, Big Guy!"

 

[nowayjose]

I don't blame lucifer because he isn't the creator. I'm not necessarily blaming G-D, I just don't think he is all that good. If he were total good, babies wouldn't die, the holocaust wouldn't have happened, mental retardation wouldn't exist, Pol Pot and Stalin would never have been born, and mental illness wouldn't exist. G-D could choose to fix these problems or make sure they never happen, yet he doesn't. Good people die young, and evil scum spit on their graves.

Well, you see the inconsistencies with that belief system.
Just draw your conclusions now.

 

[ViperGTS]

My apologies for being an ass. It was uncalled for. I just don't appreciate people presenting their opinions as stone-written facts, regadless of their mental state.

 

[Goodieluver]

Here is the only truth you will need: God is an imagined being that doesn't really exist, and Heaven is a myth, and Hell and torment and eternal damnation are never going to happen - until the doctor gives you a month to live and you look up to the ceiling and shout, "I was only kidding, Big Guy!"

Actually, hell, in literal bible translation is separation from Gods sight\love. The fire, brimstone and torture was invented in the middle ages to scare people

 

[Aachen1983]

My apologies for being an ass. It was uncalled for. I just don't appreciate people presenting their opinions as stone-written facts, regadless of their mental state.

Read my original post mre carefully. I asked if anyone else felt that way or believed what I do. I said I believe they are both neutral, not that they ARE both neutral.


PS. How is your grandma? I read your post and now I wonder. I hope she is OK.

 

[Goodieluver]

I spell it G-D because it is considered disrespectful to spell out his full name. I may not like the man, but I do have respect. No offense goodieluver, but obesity and mental sickness are two very different problems. I don;t think you have recurring thoughts of suicide because of it. I don't think you hear voices because of it. All I'm saying is mental illness has no purpose, so why the hell did G-D create it? Name one good thing to come from what I have, ONE GOOD THING.

Doesnt matter, from what I and probably everyone else has gathered, u have a mental illness, you therefore blame God for not curing you, you blame him for the state you are in. Well then why can i not blame God for the physical condition i am. I heard voices, i heard the mocking any typical overweight non popular kid got durin elementary school which led to several mental issues with me, but i dont blame God for being fat or why he doesnt lipo about 100 lbs off me. Stay on your meds

 

[Aachen1983]

Doesnt matter, from what I and probably everyone else has gathered, u have a mental illness, you therefore blame God for not curing you, you blame him for the state you are in. Well then why can i not blame God for the physical condition i am. I heard voices, i heard the mocking any typical overweight non popular kid got durin elementary school which led to several mental issues with me, but i dont blame God for being fat or why he doesnt lipo about 100 lbs off me. Stay on your meds

I am sorry you were mocked and made fun of. Those people were not right to do it. I was made fun of because my whole life I have had coke bottle glasses. I was called four eyes and asked if I looked at a map could I see people waving. You can't blame the Lord for obesity. That is curable and man made.

 

[Shred]

Ill say this, ol' Lucifer makes a cool tattoo!

 

[Sultrybrunette]

Doesnt matter, from what I and probably everyone else has gathered, u have a mental illness, you therefore blame God for not curing you, you blame him for the state you are in. Well then why can i not blame God for the physical condition i am. I heard voices, i heard the mocking any typical overweight non popular kid got durin elementary school which led to several mental issues with me, but i dont blame God for being fat or why he doesnt lipo about 100 lbs off me. Stay on your meds

First of all...Goodie from one fat kid to another I am with ya. Been there done that. Now days I think its very rare that there is someone WITHOUT some kind of mental issue. Maybe we could motivate each other.

AAchen - If thats what you truly believe then so be it. I am not here to tell you if its right or wrong. I don't really believe myself and have my own thoughts. What I do believe is that you have the right to turn to the forum if you want and post how you feel without there being a huge backlash and flaming as there was here.

To the rest of you SHAME on you! Especially you viper. Geesh. This kid is posting something about what he feels and genuinely wanted some feedback or just maybe some support. For him to admit that he has some problems mentally was a big step. Its very personal to him and there is no need to go off on him like that. Pretty soon, no one will post anything personal (except for the ones that want all the attention) for fear of backlash.

Lighten up.

 

[drew70]

When God created humans, they were perfect in every way, as was the environment in which they lived. There was no hunger, no thirst, no anger, no jealousy, no lust, no greed, no mental or physical illness. None of the things that earmark the undesirable traits found in humans today. Though it's not said in any scripture I've read, I'm convinced even their shit didn't stink.

No, all of that came after "The Fall" of mankind. When they ate of the forbidden fruit, mankind became estranged from God, and every bad thing in the world is a result of that one fatal mistake.

And just who do you suppose was it that coerced mankind into such a decision? You guessed it. So forgive me if I don't esteem Lucifer as a cool guy who is misunderstood. He's not known as the Father of Lies for nothing. I read one passage that described Satan as a "roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour." His deceptions are so powerful even the most intelligent of humans are taken in, except for those who receive The Holy Spirit, Who gives supernatural abilities of discernment to those who willingly receive Him.

That's why I can't blame God for anything. He didn't create disease, war and famine. That was all part of Satan's welcome package for chosing him over God.

 

[isabeau]

That's why I can't blame God for anything. He didn't create disease, war and famine. That was all part of Satan's welcome package for chosing him over God.

well said drew. it would have been so easy for me to blame God for some of the awful things that happened in my life but i never did. yea i questioned Him of course, i'm only human after all but blame never?

Dave i can see where you are going with this. having that mental disease must be such a burden and so hard to bear. i myself have to admire your openness about it. i cannot imagine how hard it must be to hear voices in your head, although my mom i am sure suffered a bit from this disease. anyway i am a pm away as i have said before. if only there were a way for me to convince you that God didnt give this to you, that something went wrong in your brain when you were born. and i suppose if you look at it that way you could say that because God created you, He created the something wrong that went on with your brain. its a never ending question i'm thinking.

not sure if any of this makes sense.

isabeau

ps but never never think that Lucifer is anything but what he is, evil total and absolute

 

[Oddjob0226]

A Satanic schizoid who just bought a new rifle - oh, the suspense is killing me......!!!!

 

[Aachen1983]

Sultry and Melanie, thanks guys. I am starting to see that blaming G-D or turning to satan aren't the right ways to go about it. I realized that Satan won't make me sane, so I should stop praying to him.

 

[natural tickler]

Well, I am not to flame, bu I do believe you have problems. I do believe God will solve all your problems if you just believe in Him. He will not give you anything harder than you can bear. Put your faith and trust in Him


but if you keep up this way, whenever your time comes to an end, you will get to meet Lucifer personally

 

[isabeau]

Well, I am not to flame, bu I do believe you have problems. I do believe God will solve all your problems if you just believe in Him. He will not give you anything harder than you can bear. Put your faith and trust in Him


but if you keep up this way, whenever your time comes to an end, you will get to meet Lucifer personally

nnoooo NT not true.... Dave suffers from schizophrenia... he cant help his thoughts.

isabeau

 

[Aachen1983]

Well, I am not to flame, bu I do believe you have problems. I do believe God will solve all your problems if you just believe in Him. He will not give you anything harder than you can bear. Put your faith and trust in Him


but if you keep up this way, whenever your time comes to an end, you will get to meet Lucifer personally

Let me tell you, G-D will not fix this. I have asked and not recieved. I asked Lucifer and didn't recieve either. Nothing will fix this except death. Medication is a quick fix, but I need it the rest of my life. I have trusted G-D, and still do. Maybe He doesn't give anything too hard to bear, but then again, people still commit suicide.

 

[nowayjose]

Let me tell you, G-D will not fix this. I have asked and not recieved. I asked Lucifer and didn't recieve either. Nothing will fix this except death. Medication is a quick fix, but I need it the rest of my life. I have trusted G-D, and still do. Maybe He doesn't give anything too hard to bear, but then again, people still commit suicide.

Some blokes get born w/o arms or legs.. there's no medication that makes them grow any. So stop whining about your fate, take your pills and be happy because it could be worse.

 

[ViperGTS]

First of all...Goodie from one fat kid to another I am with ya. Been there done that. Now days I think its very rare that there is someone WITHOUT some kind of mental issue. Maybe we could motivate each other.

AAchen - If thats what you truly believe then so be it. I am not here to tell you if its right or wrong. I don't really believe myself and have my own thoughts. What I do believe is that you have the right to turn to the forum if you want and post how you feel without there being a huge backlash and flaming as there was here.

To the rest of you SHAME on you! Especially you viper. Geesh. This kid is posting something about what he feels and genuinely wanted some feedback or just maybe some support. For him to admit that he has some problems mentally was a big step. Its very personal to him and there is no need to go off on him like that. Pretty soon, no one will post anything personal (except for the ones that want all the attention) for fear of backlash.

Lighten up.

Perhaps you missed my last post.

My apologies for being an ass. It was uncalled for.

Read the entire thread.

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Read my original post mre carefully. I asked if anyone else felt that way or believed what I do. I said I believe they are both neutral, not that they ARE both neutral.


PS. How is your grandma? I read your post and now I wonder. I hope she is OK.

And again, ler me apologize for having come down on your so hard. It's clear that you have problems that need to be worked out, and like I said, I shouldn't have blames you for them.

Thanks for the concern. I soent the last couple of days with IrishGirl, but upon returning home half an hour ago, my gramma is still not home. I don't know how she's doing, but my Pop Pop is out with her, so hopefully, things are ok.

 

[Aachen1983]

No problem viper. This was a heated discussions, but let's bury that hatchet. I am sorry to hear that your grandmother isn't home yet. Just pray for her viper and spend time with her.

 

[ViperGTS]

I did just find out that, although she is still on oxygen, her fever is gone (again).

 

[Aachen1983]

Thank the Lord her fever is gone! I know that in cancer patients fevers can be very bad. Horribly sorry to hear that she is on oxygen though. If you don't mind me asking, what type of cancer is it?

 

[ViperGTS]

Thank the Lord her fever is gone! I know that in cancer patients fevers can be very bad. Horribly sorry to hear that she is on oxygen though. If you don't mind me asking, what type of cancer is it?

I'm sorry but I have to ask. If God is not a positive being and is neutral as well as Lucifer, why thank the Lord? Just wondering.

Yes, her immune system is so weak now that just a fever can kill her. GO here for updates.

http://www.ticklingforum.com/showthread.php?t=75276

 

[Aachen1983]

I have come to terms that Lucifer doesn't help for shit. Put your trust in the Lord. Please keep us posted Viper. i lost both of my maternal granparents to cancer, so I know EXACTLY what you are going through.

Dave

 

[ShadowTklr]

I love happy endings. 😉

 

[Oddjob0226]

Some blokes get born w/o arms or legs.. there's no medication that makes them grow any.

Further stem cell research might be able to fix this!