is youthful tickling bad?

[bigearl7]

Hello again, on the news today, I had heard a story from a town over that got me deeply contradicting my whole tickling past and maybe future. In this story, a teacher (this takes place in Bewnyn, Illinois, a suburb of Chicago I think) was accused of sexual conduct with over 16 students. What happened was that he would convice them to let him duct tape them to a chair and proceed to "touch and rub against them" (the version I read never said where exactly) He told them it was a game of some sorts, and finally a child came up and told the proper authories, landing this prick in jail. It turns out that his visions were based upon bondage images and videos that he owned.

The thing is got me is that is what we do as ticklers any different?
Now, dont get me wrong, what this guy did is 100% wrong, and I am by no means calling any past, present or future TMF viewers perverts, or nothing like that, but as a child and young teen, I can think of a million times in which I tricked someone into a ticklish sitatution. I know that many others on the board, (hell, just read that Early Experiences thread in the Stories section) also owe a bit of deceiption to past tickling memories. Also, its the fact that this has happened to 9-14 year olds. Now, I am a full adult (I'm not saying my real age, for privacy issues, but lets say Graduate school bound soon) and sometimes, my best ticklees are within the 17-23 age limit. As a teen (15-17) my oldest ticklees were 12-16, and so forth. (friends and acquaintances, of course) Many of the stories on the board also reflect that not every childhood/teenage experience was an 18 yr old tickling another 18 yr old, so of course, many members know what I am saying.

My question is that sure, we all have used many tactics to get our tickles and sometimes, the 'lees are a bit younger, but at the same time, is it morally just? Now, I admit, that like many tickling stories of yours, I have used tied up tactics to tickle. It had always been just the ankles (so the hands are free) and the fact that said ticklee is always comfortable. (to be honest, many found is to be a 'game' theres that word again, to try to free their bound feet as I tickled) and of course, when left uncomfortable, they have been immediately released. And, I am putting it on the table, while restrained, I have only tickled their soles, with my fingers (no other body parts); no other parts of the body touched. So tell me, of my past (remember, the age difference is anywhere from 4 years younger than me to even 4 years older than me) I have told, am I a normal person, or am I no better than this arrested guy?

To be honest, this has bothered me for some time. Even as a kid, the only thing that attracted me to the other sex was their feet. For some reason, boobs or privates have no faze on me. For this, sometimes I feel very limited with encountering females. The only exception was my ex-gf, whos favorite spot to do anything was her soles. Tickling, rub, sucking, the only thing I didnt do is bondage, for fear it would alienate me, and maybe thats why the relationship failed, from holding back. You see, this is kinda why I disagree sometimes with the total banning of any under 18 on TMF and other tickling/foot sites. As a mainstream, foot/tickling fetishisms are blooming, usually, they are not included in the usual bird and bee talks, so many teens may also felt alienated by their new feelings. To be honest, even though my name (bigearl7) was made a little while ago, I had checked out many sites like TMF before as a minor and thanks to them, made my concerns about myself stable at least for the most part.

Also, I am a very religious person (methodist) I'm not sure which if any topic that this tickling thing fits into to, rather it be underage, unmarried sex, etc. In good conscience, I refuse to talk of these matters with a priest or other religious official, not out of shame, but that I believe that those two things should be parallel lines of each other. So, in the end, I am in the gray area. What did you think?

Please, ppl of the TMF, set me straight, am I a bad person for this, or am I overreacting? Thanks for your time.

 

[Red Jester]

Its just a question of your own morality really. I never approved of the TMF's strict under 18 policy. Considering that 18 is just the government accepted standard for someone being an adult. You may say that its sick to have a story about tickling a 15 year old but how is that any different from someone whose 40 reading a story about an 18 year old here? Even though a person keep learning throughout their life, the human brain is pretty much fully developed at about 14 years of age. So I think that would be the limit.

Don't get me wrong I think playing on the ignorance of an adolescent for sexual stimulation is definately wrong. But every person knows that the definition of a kid to them is. A 40 year old would consider a 20 year old a kid, and a 25 year old would consider a 15 year old a kid. So its all on your perspective. You'll know if its wrong, whether you choose to surpress the urge or not.

 

[daddy]

Good common sence should always give you the right answer. To me it is that simple. For kids to trick each other is natural...kids torment each other and it is all part of growing up. For adults to trick people though is a different story. Once again, common sence tells you that there might be negative consequences if you do and if you still procede, then you deserve what you have coming. On the other hand if you are "playing" with "adults" of the same mindlike, then the concept of tricking someone into a tickle session might be more acceptable and possibly enjoyable. We as adults should know right from wrong. I think you are over-reacting and putting too much under the microscope. Unless you are in a struggle with your own inner feelings, don't sweat it. There are idiots and abusers everywhere...that doesn't mean you have to be one of them.

peace out,
daddy

 

[drew70]

Well here's my take for whatever it's worth to you. The tickling community in general places a very great emphasis on posting and discussing tickling of and by adults only. You start mentioning kids and people start wetting their maternal pants. Only you can decide if what you did was wrong or not. The fact that you're concerned about it tells me your heart is in the right place. At the end of the day the real issue is, How am I going to act from here on?

 

[TheW]

tickling intent

If you find tickling another person so thrilling that you spend time thinking how to arrange the tickling sessions, there's a good chance that there is a sexual element involved. In contrast, a parent tickling their child for a moment or two is just being affectionate.

Tickling between children can be a harmless form of sex role play. When I was in 8th grade, I started noticing my 6th grade female neighbor. I toyed with the idea of getting her alone (away from her brother) and tickling her tummy. I certainly wasn't interested in tickling her brother, though!

A lot of girls who are college age would probably consider tickling to be a safe form of sexual contact. Why not go on dates with young women who enjoy being tickled? A good time will be had by all.

 

[Sunday_10pm]

Bottom line is, when you're a kid, anything goes. You don't have any responsibility to think the right thoughts. I once held down and tickled a girl about 2 years younger than me when I was about 13, and it's probably one of the most arousing experiences of my life to date - this doesn't make me a pedophile. It's just one of those experiences that's all part of growing up.
I'm now 20 and I can't see any reason why I personaly shouldn't tickle a child of any age, for one reason: When I tickle a child, it doesn't mean the same thing to me as tickling a mature girl who is nearer my age. Obviously, the line where the distinction is made is quite blurred, but generally speaking, I know I'm not a pedophile and tickling a little girl has no meaning to me sexually: It's obviously fun (it's meant ot be), but I don't get any kind of kick out of it. Kind of the same way in which I wouldn't shield my eyes from a 10 year old girl in a swimming costume - there is no need, because I know what's going on in my own head, and the answer is nothing. If you tickle a child and find it arousing, well... just don't. I'll stick my neck out and say that it's not like there's a switch that suddenly turns on all my senses as soon as a girl turns 18. I don't think there's any point denying that there are lots of girls out there, much younger than the legal age, who could seriously turn on any straight guy - "jail bait". Since there is no set "over 18" law to do with tickling, just know what's going on in your own head and if it feels like you are violating someone who is too young, show some restraint. (Whatever you do, I wouldn't tie up anyone under 18 now you're an adult.)

 

[maniactickler]

Ill tickle any female of any age. with obvious discretion regarding age. just be responsible and be aware of the limits.

 

[TickledToDeath]

The circumstances regarding that teacher duct taping kids to a chair and rubbing against them is a whole other story and not even close to being tickle related. Case closed there and the teacher got just deserts.

Tickling by one OVER 18 of one UNDER 18 is a gray area since it is ONLY tickling and if it remains of a playful nature should be harmless. Once anytype of bondage comes into play....the gray area darkens significantly but there is a difference between say an 18yr old tickling a .......16-17 year old and a 29yr old tickling a 16-17 year old. BIG difference there and unless it is a brother sister or family or very close type friends of sorts, it very well could be construded as morally wrong. Anything close to being of a sexual nature is definitely morally wrong.

The age group of under 18(12 to 17) can for the most part, morally included tickle the hell out of one another tied or untied as can younger age groups.

For some, it is a gray area for a 30 to 40 year old or older, to tickle someone even if considered an adult in society and leagally, 18 to 22 ish. For someone in their 40's it would be like tickling a daughter or son and the comfort level may not be all that...comfy to THEM. Therein is the "to each their own" area.

TTD

 

[ticklingfeet4fu]

What the teacher did was sexually assault. He taped them up and "rubbed" them. I really am not sure what that has to do with tickling. He did not tickle them. He rubbed them. There is a difference. I have tied 2 ladies up and tickled them. I would NEVER EVER "rub" them unless their PERMISSION was given. Not my permission. The teacher assaulted them and they were underage. I do not see your point. Maybe the forum can help me if I missed your point.

 

[bigearl7]

thanks for the advice, so far, I hope to hear from more people.

Again to clarify my situation, the people that I am talking of at most, 3-4 years younger than me (lets say couple months to adulthood at 18) to women 4 years older than me (usually friends' older sisters, etc)

to be fair, as these young women as growing, I have many reasons to believe that they are already engaging in sexual conduct in older men (as with most teenage/young adults, example lets say 17 years old girl dating a guy older than me) now, as said above, I only tickle bare feet, which sometimes, are bound to a chair or bed. No other part of the body is restrainted or touched and when asked, I release them immediately. Hell, sometimes, they ask for a message afterwards. To me, I dont understand why I get upset about a mere tickle torture game when on the side, said woman is illegally experiencing satchatory (sorry, cant spell) rape with the other older man,

the one thing I wish someone would give an opinion on, is looking at the religious angle. Also, is anyone in the same boat I am in, attractive wise, in which only the female feet are attractive, and nothing else. To be honest, it is hard to build a relationship on that factor.

Thanks again

 

[Sunday_10pm]

Have you ever tried "normal" sexual contact? I have a pretty strong foot fetish, but just kissing can give me the horn.

 

[KoocheeKoo]

It's all a matter of having self control....using the common sense and conscience you were born with.

That teacher in Illinois is an idiot....full fledged. I look at this from an adult viewpoint: I have a 10 yr old niece....and nephews ages 8 and 6. If I learned a teacher had bound them with duct tape, tied them in any manner or for any reason, I'd be livid (and probably put his azz in the hospital). Where I come from, teachers are expected to teach their students....not use them for kinky experiments; expected to be moral role models....not contribute to the child's delinquency or steal their innocence.

I'm a straight 43 year old man....I know it's improper and wrong to tie up a teenage girl for any reason. I also know it's WRONG to tickle underage kids under my supervision, whether in a school classroom or anywhere else. I have a conscience...I have a brain....I know right from wrong.

Sadly it seems many adults in America either don't know right from wrong anymore....or do know and just not care 🙁

 

[BigJim]

Its just a question of your own morality really. I never approved of the TMF's strict under 18 policy. Considering that 18 is just the government accepted standard for someone being an adult...

The age policy is something that does create some mistaken impressions. Most people seem to think it's a moral judgement on behalf of the head-shed, but it's mainly one of expediency (which is not to say that the Mods and Admins don't disapprove of it also). We are by 99% of our self-definitions, sexual ticklers/lees. Tickling is a "partialism" to us. There have been incidents in the past where there has been all manner of legal shit created because of things members of this site have said to minor members who slipped in through the net. It's lucky that the TMF wasn't shut down. That doesn't make what happened our fault, but authorities do tend to go for "guilt by assosciation". Whether anyone considers it wrong or not to only accept legal adults as members here, we couldn't exist without that rule.


My views.......
Tickling doesn't have to be sexual, but it is my favourite way of expressing physical touch in a sexual situation. Tickling a gal is myfavourite activity doncha know? But I've also tickled kids or female family members with nothing sexual on the agenda at all. Tickling is many things: social; affectionate; playful; fun; and sometimes, sexual.

So I don't believe tickling a twelve year old is a bad thing, but linking it with sexual feelings would be horrendously bad and seriously irresponsible. I guess it's partly because "vanilla" people don't think most of us can make that distinction is the reason we have totread on legal eggshells to continue to survive.

 

[vegasfootboy]

gonna catch hell for this,,,

i know im setting myself up for a good bashing here but i have wondered about the same thing,, i see some ticklers take up reflexology or learn to give pedicures in salons purely so they can be in a situation where they might sneak a foot tickle,, is this immoral?? i dont know,,if a person has a foot tickling fetish and also does reflexology as a profession,, what exactly does that mean? if a man likes teenaged girls and volunteers to work as a " coach" for a teen girls softball team people go nuts and want to hang him as they should,,some will say that tickling someones feet under the pretext that they are rendering some " service " isnt the same thing,, is it though?? if the man at the salon ( or lady ) gets sexually aroused by giving you a pedicure and slipping in sneaky lil tickles on the sly is that bad? wrong? why? if thats all they get out of it a turn on and nothing more,, they dont molest just get turned on is that wrong? in the scenario where a person is lured into a situation or where they go to someone for a legitimate service and the person giving that service is stimulated without the others knowledge is it a sin? somone help me out with this lol! im freaking out trying to get it right in my head

 

[bigearl7]

hey, vtf, its funny, you said that about the pedicurist, my ex-gf, who moved away, and became a hair styler/mani/pedicurist. One of the last things she told me if that it turned her on whenever, she rubbed a pair of feet, rather it be male or female.

Anyways, I want to make clear that I am not some 40 year old perv, as I stated before, I am Graduate School bound, so to make it clearer, I am between the ages of 20-25. And if you think about it, (remember, what I said about the 4 year age difference) you can figure it out.

basically, what vtf said, is what I experience mentally, I cannot tell if the right way is of the yayers or naysayers. As many of you guys/gals know, in the life of a tickler, sometimes, you only get one chance to do so. And I'm sure that everybody has that one that got away.

To be honest, I dont want to get this board in trouble, but as stated above, this can affect my whole life.

If I may, I'd like to give an example of one of my experiences with a 17-yr old friend, (who I havent tickled since, due to this questioning)

As she was playing a handheld game on my bed, (tummy down, soles up) I asked if she wanted to do a dare. She cheerfully replied sure. I said to her, "put your ankles together" she was barefooted because she wore soccer slides to my house

I took a spare cable I had laying around and wrapped around her ankles. it was hard, because her feet together were not perfectly even, but I did the best I could

She didnt even seemed concerned about her feet being bound. She found my older brothers old Gamegear (if anyone knows what that is) and was playing intensely.

I told her, "ok, now, try to free your feet, but this is the catch, you cant use your hands at all." (remember, hands are free because shes playing Sonic or some shit)

Still playing, I watching as her ankles began to twitch and turn. Her soles flexed and reflexed gently and slowly. As I began to approach her feet for tickling...

The phone rang! I ran to the phone, and tried to get off as fast as I could. I came back, and her feet were still struggling. A second later, I seen the slack of the cable uncoil. Her left ankle came though and then her right.

"HA" she mocked me as I saw her wiggle her barefeet in freedom. I couldnt believe it.

"Ok, that one didnt count. I want you to do that again." I asked . "Sure, she replied, "as long as you promise me that you'll let me go sooner or later." Of course i would. I'm a tickler, not a kidnapper.

Anyways, I found another cord under the bed. I asked her to separate her feet. Still playing the game, she did so. I took the first cord, round it around her left ankle, and unknown to her, took the other end and tied to the left leg of my headboard (of the bed) I processed to do it with the other leg. I then said, "ok, just try to escape now." She, with a lot of faith, began to test her limits, she pulled the left foot. I watch as the cord pulled her foot back, by its tauntness. She looked back and pulled the right foot, only to go no wheres. "Man, I'm really stuck arent I?" "yep" i said, "not so smart now are we?" i mocked.

she grabbed the end of my end and with both hands, pulled away from her bonds. i saw the loops aound her feet tighten, while her soles flexed. i knelt down as i began foot tickling. "ohno" she cried in fake agony, and i gently began to torument her soles. at first, she tried to pull her feet together, but the cords prevented that. "stop, i give up, " she exclaimed. i asked, "do you really mean that?" "no" she giggled back. i continued to probe her barefeet, until the worse thing to happen to a tickler occured. i ran my fingers up and down her soles. nothing happened. i explored her toes. nada. i rubbed up against her arches. she mocked, "wow, you're a good massager." i gave up. her feet became so tickled, they were soon left insensitive. "ok, you win, i said and i began to walk away. she too, got up and tried to walk off the bed, "one more thing, she called to me. i turned around to see the girl standing on my bed, but stuck in midstep because of the bounds around her ankles. "you mind releasing my feet first?"

ok, thats one example of my adventures, to be honest this same girl is going to college soon, and i would like to get in one more game, but not if its morally wrong. also, i even had a few pics of her posing. (i dont remember every shot, but defintely one of her caught in midstep 'she thought it was funny') but i never developed them for the same reason

now, ppl, tell me, based on my experience, am i a simple tickler, or some type of morally wrong predator ? (i hate that word)

 

[Louis]

"I'm not some 40 yr old perv".... HMMMM. Well I'm 38. There seems to be an interesting line here. If your in your early 20's, sexuality is all good but get to that 40 mark and suddenly your a perv. I'll keep that in mind... LOL. The truth is that this is the view of young folks. Anyway, I'll stay on topic.

I think tickling can be both sexual and arousing but it can also be harmless. I do link tickling someone I'm attracted to as VERY arousing. I also tickle my 16 yr old daughter from time to time as well as my 15 yr old son. He's actually one of the most ticklish people I've ever known. That must promote both pediphilia and incest. How sick. I think the line here is very simple, if your getting sexual pleasure from tickling someone that is offlimits due to age difference, it's wrong. Is the person your tickling someone you could take out on a date in public and not be worried about being arrested? If the answer is yes then enjoy. I do not however get any sexual feelings from tickling my kids and I assume most parents don't. I wouldn't tickle my daughters friends (who are by the way OMG beautiful) because I really don't want to have that kind of sensation from a 16 yr old girl (even though I'm a "40 yr old perv").

If the line is grey, I'd suggest staying away from it but I wouldn't neccesarily find someone to be a moral stooge for tickling someone within a few years age difference either.

Lastly, if you find yourself asking yourself if something is wrong with a certain behavior, chances are there is.

 

[vegasfootboy]

being honest

i think the age thing is a no brainer,, most of us are responsible enough to know that tickling minors for sexual thrills is off limits,,the issue im curious about is the honesty factor,, if you are into reflexology or a person that gives pedicures,, and you get turned on by what you do,, are you being dishonest by not telling your clients? if you diddnt have the fetish you would give straight service and wouldnt sneak in activity that would provoke a physical response that would turn you on,,,is it human nature? are doctors that get turned on by giving a woman a pelvic exam but do not try and give them an orgasm exempt from this scenario? lol! we are human after all,,not robots or machines,,i dont see where we can change that aspect of human nature,, i went to a salon to get my hair cut and styled a few weeks ago,, the girl doing my hair spent an unusual amount of time shampooing my hair,, the whole process felt strangely erotic,,after the whole thing was done she asked me stuff like " what do i do for fun?" and am i " married?",, i could swear she kept fondling my ears lol! when i walked out she was giggling and whispering to a friend,,i have to admit,, i was turned on by the display the entire thing,,is she wrong for taking advantage of her position to touch me in an intimate way? am i wrong for being turned on by it,,what about ticklees who go to get pedicures hoping against hope that they will be tickled by the person giving the pedicure? are they wrong? im gonna stop now cause i think im going insane lol! i guess ill just enjoy the tickling opps that pop up from time to time and not worry about the implication of it,,,

 

[ticklingfeet4fu]

"I'm not some 40 yr old perv".... HMMMM. Well I'm 38. There seems to be an interesting line here. If your in your early 20's, sexuality is all good but get to that 40 mark and suddenly your a perv. I'll keep that in mind... LOL. The truth is that this is the view of young folks. Anyway, I'll stay on topic.

I think tickling can be both sexual and arousing but it can also be harmless. I do link tickling someone I'm attracted to as VERY arousing. I also tickle my 16 yr old daughter from time to time as well as my 15 yr old son. He's actually one of the most ticklish people I've ever known. That must promote both pediphilia and incest. How sick. I think the line here is very simple, if your getting sexual pleasure from tickling someone that is offlimits due to age difference, it's wrong. Is the person your tickling someone you could take out on a date in public and not be worried about being arrested? If the answer is yes then enjoy. I do not however get any sexual feelings from tickling my kids and I assume most parents don't. I wouldn't tickle my daughters friends (who are by the way OMG beautiful) because I really don't want to have that kind of sensation from a 16 yr old girl (even though I'm a "40 yr old perv").

If the line is grey, I'd suggest staying away from it but I wouldn't neccesarily find someone to be a moral stooge for tickling someone within a few years age difference either.

Lastly, if you find yourself asking yourself if something is wrong with a certain behavior, chances are there is.

That is very well stated. I tickle my 12year old son from time to time when we are horsing around. There is nothing to that. Let me try that with the neighbor's 12 year old daughter and it's off to jail I go. I agree. If you think you are in the gray area and you might be doing something wrong you probably are doing something wrong.

 

[del]

Awareness and Choice

My rule is:
1. She must be aware and she must choose me.

She can enjoy the fun of pretending to be ignorant and without choice.

 

[bigearl7]

sorry louis,

didnt mean that as a comment towards the people here, was actually referencing the teacher. Bite my tongue, again, I apologize

after reading this story, has anyone else had experiences like that?