Jim Joyce

[AmishTickler]

Umpire Jim Joyce blows the call at first base ON THE 27th BATTER to cost Detroit Tigers pitcher Armando Galarraga a perfect game. Wow. Just wow. How can you miss this call? I'm sure this will be talked about for many years to come by Tigers fans and all baseball fans. Unbelievable. And if you saw the 9th inning, Tigers' centerfielder Austin Jackson made an incredible catch for the first out of the 9th inning. You just can't make this stuff up. Would have/should have been the third perfect game in baseball this year. Just mind boggling stuff. Wow.

 

[Barbershopman]

It's a shame. It probably wouldn't have been such a big deal except it being the 27th out of a perfect game.

Supposedly he's one of the better umpires, lets players speak their minds and is very even keel. Add the fact that he has been a major league umpire for 23 years and you just have to feel sorry for the guy. . . unless you are from Detroit. Too bad.

Barbershopman

 

[AmishTickler]

Yeah, at least Jim Joyce had the class to admit that he made a mistake and personally apologized to Galarraga. Classy move. Not many umpires would admit their mistake. The situation has actually been handled very well by all parties involved. Galarraga said all the right things after the game by forgiving Jim Joyce and saying that nobody is perfect. Very ironic to say that after his perfect game was just taken away from him. Tigers manager Jim Leyland also implored the Tigers fans to cheer Joyce and not boo him. And Galarraga was given a 2010 Corvette convertible by General Motors for his near perfect game. Not too shabby.

 

[Mitchell]

Personally, I think Selig should have reversed the call. We all know that umps will blow calls in baseball games. Human error is part of life. However, this is a case of special circumstance, where the call made a difference between a perfect game, and a one hitter.

Bad decision by Selig.

Mitch

 

[ma1926]

It sucks, but if you think about it now, that blown perfect game will Never be forgotten. It will be remembered historically now because it was the "perfect game that wasn't." People forget about David Wells and even that guy from the A's, but this blown perfect game will go down in history.

 

[Barbershopman]

This could have been a story of great animosity, however all parties involved have acted with nothing but the utmost class. Bravo everyone!

I thought the act my Jim Leyland letting Galerraga carry the line-up card to none other than Joyce the very next night showed temendous respect for a man that had to have been riding an emotional roller-coaster.

Barbershopman

 

[ma1926]

Even after this incident, I by no means support instant replay in baseball. There are just way too many "bang-bang" plays in the game. If we use instant replay in baseball it would take 5 hours to play a game. If we start evaluating every close catch, close play at a bag, tag or no tag, ect...., the game will take forever. I think this is an extremely unfortunately event, but it is part of what makes baseball so great because they have not taken the flaw of the human being out of the game. Because of that it is now without a doubt the nation's past-time because it's the only sport that doesn't deal with the instant replay nearly to the extent of other sports. I think that in football it is used appropriately because it is not allowed on judgment calls, but in baseball most plays are based on the judgment calls of the umpires.

 

[Cy/MiG]

Even after this incident, I by no means support instant replay in baseball. There are just way too many "bang-bang" plays in the game. If we use instant replay in baseball it would take 5 hours to play a game. If we start evaluating every close catch, close play at a bag, tag or no tag, ect...., the game will take forever. I think this is an extremely unfortunately event, but it is part of what makes baseball so great because they have not taken the flaw of the human being out of the game. Because of that it is now without a doubt the nation's past-time because it's the only sport that doesn't deal with the instant replay nearly to the extent of other sports. I think that in football it is used appropriately because it is not allowed on judgment calls, but in baseball most plays are based on the judgment calls of the umpires.

The NFL has instant replay and games don't take 5 hours. Because 'challenges' are limited, as they would be if they implemented them in the MLB.

Give each coach two instant replay challenges per game.

A total of four instant replays would not add more than 15-20 minutes to each game even if all four were used and more than four should not be needed unless there is an inept Umpire crew.

 

[ma1926]

The NFL has instant replay and games don't take 5 hours. Because 'challenges' are limited, as they would be if they implemented them in the MLB.

Give each coach two instant replay challenges per game.

A total of four instant replays would not add more than 15-20 minutes to each game even if all four were used and more than four should not be needed unless there is an inept Umpire crew.

If that is the case then the replays should be left up to the umpires only. You can't penalize in baseball like a lost timeout or something. I still don't want replays in baseball. I'm old school in that sense. The homerun replay is about as much replay as I want in the sport.

 

[Cy/MiG]

If that is the case then the replays should be left up to the umpires only.

Since the Ump is the one who makes the mistake in the first place, why should he 'challenge' a call that he makes?

You can't penalize in baseball like a lost timeout or something.

If a coach challenges and loses, the mere fact that he lost the challenge and the situation continues in favor of the opposition is well enough (especially if the play was called erroneously twice).

Think about the 1985 World Series or Jeffrey Maier.

Those are challenge situations, not arguing balls and strikes.

 

[Tickle Fiend]

I don't know how he's so forgiving. I'd be suspended for kicking that umpire's ass on national television. A once-in-a-lifetime opportunity blown on the final out. I just don't get it.

 

[ma1926]

I don't know how he's so forgiving. I'd be suspended for kicking that umpire's ass on national television. A once-in-a-lifetime opportunity blown on the final out. I just don't get it.

He thought that the runner had beat it out when the guy was first called safe. He didn't know that the runner was out until watching it on replay in the club house. Either way, he doesn't seem like a high strung guy with an explosive temper.

 

[ticklingfeet4fu]

Personally, I think Selig should have reversed the call. We all know that umps will blow calls in baseball games. Human error is part of life. However, this is a case of special circumstance, where the call made a difference between a perfect game, and a one hitter.

Bad decision by Selig.

Mitch

Not a bad decision by Selig ( and NOBODY has a lower opinion of Selig than I do because he is the worst Commissioner in baseball history ). If he reverses the decision then other plays then have to be reviewed past, present and future regardless of what inning to determine whether this particular blown call cost a team a game or a perfect game or a no-hitter. You can't start reversing calls because it was a perfect game. I was watching that game from 1st pitch to it's last pitch and I felt awful for Galarraga. But in this case, Selig is right. This game is played by human beings. It should be called by human beings. And what is the one thing we know about human beings...nobody is perfect. Keep the human part of the game in order.

 

[ticklingfeet4fu]

The NFL has instant replay and games don't take 5 hours. Because 'challenges' are limited, as they would be if they implemented them in the MLB.

Give each coach two instant replay challenges per game.

A total of four instant replays would not add more than 15-20 minutes to each game even if all four were used and more than four should not be needed unless there is an inept Umpire crew.

But NFL reviews also don't work either. They rarely get the calls right. Or a whistle blew or the QB tucked the ball or the coach had a hang nail. There is always a reason why they get a call wrong.

Remember Ravens/Patriots? Ball was juggled in the endzone going out of bounds and they ruled the Patriots TD. Everybody knew that wasn't a TD. But because the Pats were chasing history it was declared a TD. The only people who think that was a TD are Patriots fans. So tell me, who policed that horrible call? Who policed that 11-10 Steelers/Chargers game? When the ball was a TD and it was rules a backwards pass. When clearly it wasn't. Started a controversy as to whether the officials had money on the game. Because the original call was a TD and then reversed. Even though there was no reason to reverse it.

Replay does not work because in the end it is an imperfect and sometimes greedy human being is making the final call.

 

[Mitchell]

4u, you then agree with Atlanta Journal Constitution writer Mark Bradley. He said exactly what you are saying. His colleague, Jeff Schultz, took my point of view, saying that because the call was the difference between a perfect gane, and a one hitter, and was found to be wrong, it should be changed.

This really is a matter of opinion. We are both entitled to our views.

Mitch

 

[ticklingfeet4fu]

4u, you then agree with Atlanta Journal Constitution writer Mark Bradley. He said exactly what you are saying. His colleague, Jeff Schultz, took my point of view, saying that because the call was the difference between a perfect gane, and a one hitter, and was found to be wrong, it should be changed.

This really is a matter of opinion. We are both entitled to our views.

Mitch

I never said you weren't entitled to your opinion. I also never claimed to be right. But that guy is claiming only in a perfect game. Why does it have to be a perfect game to make a change? Derek Jeter hit a homerun that was CLEARLY interfered with in 1996. Don't reverse that because it is not a perfect game though it cost the Orioles to go up 2-0 on the Yankees in that series. But let's change the game that would have been a perfect game. Either they all stay the same or they ALL change. You can't pick and choose what plays can and can't change history.

 

[Cy/MiG]

But NFL reviews also don't work either. They rarely get the calls right. Or a whistle blew or the QB tucked the ball or the coach had a hang nail. There is always a reason why they get a call wrong.

Remember Ravens/Patriots? Ball was juggled in the endzone going out of bounds and they ruled the Patriots TD. Everybody knew that wasn't a TD. But because the Pats were chasing history it was declared a TD. The only people who think that was a TD are Patriots fans. So tell me, who policed that horrible call? Who policed that 11-10 Steelers/Chargers game? When the ball was a TD and it was rules a backwards pass. When clearly it wasn't. Started a controversy as to whether the officials had money on the game. Because the original call was a TD and then reversed. Even though there was no reason to reverse it.

Agreed about the NFL, but...

Replay does not work because in the end it is an imperfect and sometimes greedy human being is making the final call.

The MLB can go the NHL route. The NHL has 3-4 league officials @ every game who are on 'stand by' if there is a questionable goal.

The review goes to the booth, then to some type of 'NHL HQ' (either in NY or some Canada) where they take 2-5 minutes to review it and then give the official call to the refs.

There is NO reason why the MLB can't do the same thing. They have the money, the resources, a myriad of cameras from all different angles.

The only reason why they don't implement such change is some lame and dated 'tradition' or 'human error is part of the game' argument.

The technology exists to get the very few questionable calls in the MLB correct.

Again, I'm not talking about questioning every pitch, but things like safe or out, home run or double, fair or foul.

 

[manic971]

I never said you weren't entitled to your opinion. I also never claimed to be right. But that guy is claiming only in a perfect game. Why does it have to be a perfect game to make a change? Derek Jeter hit a homerun that was CLEARLY interfered with in 1996. Don't reverse that because it is not a perfect game though it cost the Orioles to go up 2-0 on the Yankees in that series. But let's change the game that would have been a perfect game. Either they all stay the same or they ALL change. You can't pick and choose what plays can and can't change history.

When this first happened I was in the same belief as you. Being a Cubs fan the thought that popped into my head was "Well if they reverse this after the fact they should go back and review the Milt Pappas game, where he had a perfect game down to the last batter in 1972 and the ump called ball 4 when replays now show it was clearly strike 3."

However I do feel they should have changed the call, really in both cases, since it wouldn't effect the overall standings or score of the game. Declaring a perfect game wouldn't change any stats or records, besides those of the pitcher and batter in question. Reviewing the Jeter call would have a much greater impact.