Knismolagniac symbol???

[TklDuo-Ann]

It appears things have reached a slowness, might be an idea to bring up whether its time to cut it short and disscuss voting, what critiria each entry should meet etc,

or shall we hold out and hope for more ideas? I would like to but I find myself wondering if theres anything more to come?

This is something that should take more time (perhaps even months) to get feedback on and properly develop, not 3 weeks. Look at how few people have expressed their opinions and ideas. I'm a bit puzzled as to why there's such a rush to be done with it. If we care enough to do this, then let's do it properly. At least, given a realisitc amount of time, others will have a chance to get involved. If they aren't, then it loses it's validity as a symbol for the entire community and becomes just a pet project for a handful of people.

I don't mean this in a nasty way at all. I'm just tossing out a reality check. If we want this to represent the entire community, then we need more people involved in it so that it actually does. I'm preparing updates for my site and plan to use this topic for this months "Focus on Community" segment. Perhaps that will give us a bit more exposure so we can get more feedback. There are also a number of active forums out there that it can be brought up on. We shouldn't limit it to only a couple of them.

Give it more time so folks have time to actually find this thread and get involved. (Making it a sticky might help as well.) Maybe give it until mid-April or something like that for folks to come up with more ideas and submit them. Then, procede as with the GFA nominations and voting. Make ALL of the submitted symbols available, let folks choose those that they like best and take the top ten to a final vote.

Sound reasonable?

 

[Skipadeedoodah]

This is something that should take more time (perhaps even months) to get feedback on and properly develop, not 3 weeks. Look at how few people have expressed their opinions and ideas. I'm a bit puzzled as to why there's such a rush to be done with it. If we care enough to do this, then let's do it properly. At least, given a realisitc amount of time, others will have a chance to get involved. If they aren't, then it loses it's validity as a symbol for the entire community and becomes just a pet project for a handful of people.

I don't mean this in a nasty way at all. I'm just tossing out a reality check. If we want this to represent the entire community, then we need more people involved in it so that it actually does. I'm preparing updates for my site and plan to use this topic for this months "Focus on Community" segment. Perhaps that will give us a bit more exposure so we can get more feedback. There are also a number of active forums out there that it can be brought up on. We shouldn't limit it to only a couple of them.

Give it more time so folks have time to actually find this thread and get involved. (Making it a sticky might help as well.) Maybe give it until mid-April or something like that for folks to come up with more ideas and submit them. Then, procede as with the GFA nominations and voting. Make ALL of the submitted symbols available, let folks choose those that they like best and take the top ten to a final vote.

Sound reasonable?

Yes!

 

[LD_Tickler]

Ok, so, what images are leading? what counts? what doesnt count?

At the moment there is a thread as you know, posted by AOD with all submissions posted..

How are we going to go about working out which are valid and which are not?

I have my opinions on what I think is valid for a symbol suitable for everyone, but others opinions of that may vary.

I think it's pretty clear which images are leading. The ones that have had support from people beyond the one who posted them. Ones that have been discussed and praised.

 

[Skipadeedoodah]

I think it's pretty clear which images are leading. The ones that have had support from people beyond the one who posted them. Ones that have been discussed and praised.

I understand what you're saying here, and I agree with it in principle, but the fact is we're dealing with, and hoping to have an effect on, an entire community, which means we have to foresee and address issues with politics.

If we pick and choose which ideas are front runners, even if we may be entirely accurate, there is undoubtedly going to be someone somewhere griping that his or her idea "didn't even get a chance," and if that person is a less active poster, that could easily lead to discussion upon argument upon mod intervention of "cliques" and a certain group of people "running the show" and "calling the shots."

I think the best thing to do is present everyone with every single option we've come up with, regardless of whether or not it had any praise/criticism or was ignored completely. I think it's the best way to avoid anybody feeling left out or whatever.

 

[MasterPaladin]

This idea finally got off the ground and I think that Ann and Lyz make very valid points and to me it looks like it may be taking this Idea in the right direction

 

[LD_Tickler]

I understand what you're saying here, and I agree with it in principle, but the fact is we're dealing with, and hoping to have an effect on, an entire community, which means we have to foresee and address issues with politics.

If we pick and choose which ideas are front runners, even if we may be entirely accurate, there is undoubtedly going to be someone somewhere griping that his or her idea "didn't even get a chance," and if that person is a less active poster, that could easily lead to discussion upon argument upon mod intervention of "cliques" and a certain group of people "running the show" and "calling the shots."

I think the best thing to do is present everyone with every single option we've come up with, regardless of whether or not it had any praise/criticism or was ignored completely. I think it's the best way to avoid anybody feeling left out or whatever.

You misunderstand me. I suggested we start a new thread and present the forerunners with their pros and cons so that people who haven't been following this whole thing can get a sense of what's popular so far, and benefit from our discussions. This is just for the sake of clarity and brevity for newcomers, not an elimination process.

Which is why I also said that we link to AODs thread where all the other designs live, so anyone who wishes to defend any of the other choices can do so.

 

[Skipadeedoodah]

You misunderstand me. I suggested we start a new thread and present the forerunners with their pros and cons so that people who haven't been following this whole thing can get a sense of what's popular so far, and benefit from our discussions. This is just for the sake of clarity and brevity for newcomers, not an elimination process.

Which is why I also said that we link to AODs thread where all the other designs live, so anyone who wishes to defend any of the other choices can do so.

Ahh I see 🙂 You're right - I misunderstood 🙂 Not a bad idea 🙂

 

[TklDuo-Ann]

I'm a big believer in putting my money where my mouth is. So, rather than spouting off and just letting things lie, I've written up the above-mentioned article and uploaded it ahead of the rest of my site updates. Here's the link for anyone who'd like to check it out... http://www.tk-411.com/CF2.html

For those who are interested, the remaining updates will be up at some point during the day tomorrow. Exactly when will depend on how long it takes me to get the car serviced. 😉

 

[Rupert]

this thread....WOW

so after spendin hours.....and i mean hours (dont judge me im a slow reader 😛 )

i had to say that these are amazing ideas and as of late the idea of getting the word out is also equally great

Kudos to AOD for the hard work of making that great thread....
and of course Ann for working hard to publicize it (in her sig and her site)

I wish i had the programs or the abilities to contribute but i do look forward to voting and adding input where ever it can help

As far as my opinion is concerned, i'm liking the versatility of the tree, since i agree with many that the main symbol can be tweaked based on your own personal beliefs.
plus the other one IMO looks to similar to a flower for it to be tattooed onto my body

Finally I think this thread has definitely reached the point where we must discuss more ways to include the lurkers and other usually active members that are saddly missing (atleast in posts they may also be lurking)
I like the sticky idea but maybe instead of including this one (due to its length) trying one like was earlier suggested that would combine AOD thread with an area for just new ideas and one for discussion

 

[Capnmad]

For Libertine and others whose ideas I wanted to make come alive, pardon my absence. I've been stricken with flu and will return when my fever finally ends and I'm feeling less exhausted.

 

[Rupert]

dont worry

For Libertine and others whose ideas I wanted to make come alive, pardon my absence. I've been stricken with flu and will return when my fever finally ends and I'm feeling less exhausted.

Youve already contributed so many great ideas and designs
This thread needs you healthy and in top creative shape,
GET WELL SOON

This time i dont think the thread will go quietly into the night

 

[-Hari-]

I'm a big believer in putting my money where my mouth is. So, rather than spouting off and just letting things lie, I've written up the above-mentioned article and uploaded it ahead of the rest of my site updates. Here's the link for anyone who'd like to check it out... http://www.tk-411.com/CF2.html

For those who are interested, the remaining updates will be up at some point during the day tomorrow. Exactly when will depend on how long it takes me to get the car serviced. 😉

I seriously encourage anyone who hasnt visited that link, to do so.

Very nicely said Ann 🙂

 

[-Hari-]

This is something that should take more time (perhaps even months) to get feedback on and properly develop, not 3 weeks. Look at how few people have expressed their opinions and ideas. I'm a bit puzzled as to why there's such a rush to be done with it. If we care enough to do this, then let's do it properly. At least, given a realisitc amount of time, others will have a chance to get involved. If they aren't, then it loses it's validity as a symbol for the entire community and becomes just a pet project for a handful of people.

I don't mean this in a nasty way at all. I'm just tossing out a reality check. If we want this to represent the entire community, then we need more people involved in it so that it actually does. I'm preparing updates for my site and plan to use this topic for this months "Focus on Community" segment. Perhaps that will give us a bit more exposure so we can get more feedback. There are also a number of active forums out there that it can be brought up on. We shouldn't limit it to only a couple of them.

Give it more time so folks have time to actually find this thread and get involved. (Making it a sticky might help as well.) Maybe give it until mid-April or something like that for folks to come up with more ideas and submit them. Then, procede as with the GFA nominations and voting. Make ALL of the submitted symbols available, let folks choose those that they like best and take the top ten to a final vote.

Sound reasonable?

It sounds more than reasonable, its the way many and I would love to see this go, And the way I hope it still does.

But while we`r on the subject of reality, there is also the high posibility that fewer people than desired will get involved, itl of course, as you say, take time for this to expand, but what I want to put across is the possibility that it doesnt, that people either dont have anything to offer, dont care etc.

And if that happens, and it does end up being a small portion who ever participate in this project, it doesnt mean the symbol becomes invalid, it means that the symbol will be ..well, sorta pending validation. Its very possible that not even close to the majority of the tickling community is actually going to join in with this and thats very important to remember.

This may very well die out and not follow thru as hoped, if it does, than I imagine people will take what they got from it, use he symbol they agreed with as it meant something to them, and that/those symbols will either grow in validity thruout the community over time and be used by more, OR itl simply die off.

As much as I would like to see the whole community from all branches of the tree,get stuck in, submit ideas, decide what we`re basing things on and then have a host images that work, vote, job done, symbol for all...it just might not happen that way, it may just be a small group of people thruout the community who actually care about havng a symbol at the moment. And those people will come to a conclusion and the symbol will be created and have its meaning, and from that instant itl exist, and then we see if it dies or if it gets picked up over the years to come and eventually becomes what we wanted it to be.

As I said at some point, we may just have to plant the seed and see if it grows, instead of hoping someone comes up with a flower in full bloom.

 

[-Hari-]

I think it's pretty clear which images are leading. The ones that have had support from people beyond the one who posted them. Ones that have been discussed and praised.

Agreed, but what say you to the other things I asked? Any thoughts?

 

[Skipadeedoodah]

As I said at some point, we may just have to plant the seed and see if it grows, instead of hoping someone comes up with a flower in full bloom.

Nicely said 🙂

 

[TklDuo-Ann]

I agree that we can't expect every tickle lover out there to get involved. We've never done anything "as a community" that everyone joins in on...for whatever reaon. My main concern is that all be given the opportunity to get involved. Then, if they choose not to, it's their choice.

I'll be without the laptop until Tuesday. But, on Monday, I'll be posting notices on every TK forum and on the more active yahoo groups. So, at least there'll b some more exposure for the idea. Where it goes, it goes. Where it doesn't, it doesn't. 😉

 

[-Hari-]

I agree that we can't expect every tickle lover out there to get involved. We've never done anything "as a community" that everyone joins in on...for whatever reaon. My main concern is that all be given the opportunity to get involved. Then, if they choose not to, it's their choice.

I'll be without the laptop until Tuesday. But, on Monday, I'll be posting notices on every TK forum and on the more active yahoo groups. So, at least there'll b some more exposure for the idea. Where it goes, it goes. Where it doesn't, it doesn't. 😉

Oh defo, we attempted to cover this a few times, MasterPaladin and I both started threads in Tickletheater and I posted one on the UKTF, most activ members on either forum would have probably seen one of the threads bumping about and either headed here or ignored it, so at least for he people around during the last few weeks, most have been made aware.

There will always be those who dont use the internet or those who arnt yet old enuf or simply havnet found the online community yet, always more people to come. So we cant give EVERYone an equal oppertunity but we can do our best. Which makes it that much more important to make sure this symbol will be valid in meaning to those who are yet to arrive as those who are here now are basically provided for them, we need to do our best so that when they see it and find out what it means and why, that they like it or at very least undertand and respect it and the thought that went into it.

Im not sure where alse to spread it to.

Ann, Your site is another good tool to bring people in.

More suggestions are needed as to how to spread it.

Long shot here but what about Wikipedia?

 

[Rupert]

curious

Long shot here but what about Wikipedia?

isnt that one of the things that ppl wayyy back in the beginning, including yourself argued against?
Letting it be as simple as looking it up on Wikipedia would ruin the mystery,
or am I not understanding what you wanted to do on there?

 

[Cavum]

isnt that one of the things that ppl wayyy back in the beginning, including yourself argued against?
Letting it be as simple as looking it up on Wikipedia would ruin the mystery,
or am I not understanding what you wanted to do on there?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BDSM_Emblem

This is on Wiki. And still not many don't know what it means.
Whats the point of it being this huge mystery about what it means?
Moust people won't have a clue anyway...

 

[-Hari-]

isnt that one of the things that ppl wayyy back in the beginning, including yourself argued against?
Letting it be as simple as looking it up on Wikipedia would ruin the mystery,
or am I not understanding what you wanted to do on there?

How would that make it obvious? People would still have to identify that symbol and look it up on purpose to find it on wikipedia, there will always be SOME way of finding out what something means if someone cares enuf to search thru the internet with a fine tooth comb and no clues, the symbol will be fairly safe until the day you can search by posting an image to a search engine and asking what it means, and who would bother?

My problem with it being to obvious is more based on the visual, Another major reason why I dont like the idea of using a feather, people would be way too able to jump to conclusions and take an educated guess, and at that point they could wiki it to check. Somethign like the Neuron tree leaves no clue to the un-knowing eye, whether it exists on wikipedia will make no difference to that.

My reason for suggesting wikipedia is that people researching theyre tickling fetish online are then likely to come across the page about the symbol and then see that it is still in creation and head here to help.

And then once its done, alterations can be made so that the page explains what happened and what the symbol is about and why etc etc blah blah blah... 😛

 

[Rupert]

Well that is why i asked,
the way you just explained it makes perfect sense to put it up on Wiki. It would really help for the non-involved folk (like the military guys that are deployed) to be able to search and understand variations at a later date

Im down to help just lemme know what i can do to get it out there.

 

[-Hari-]

Well that is why i asked,
the way you just explained it makes perfect sense to put it up on Wiki. It would really help for the non-involved folk (like the military guys that are deployed) to be able to search and understand variations at a later date

Im down to help just lemme know what i can do to get it out there.

Well, make a suggestion 🙂

At the moment, anything is useful, know anything about wikipedia? 😛

 

[TklDuo-Ann]

We'll get people the word. The plus about not rushing this is that it gives those who are only online occassionally time to stumble across the notices. We'll never reach everyone, short of grabbing member lists from all these places and spamming people's e-mail. That would turn people off more than bring them in. But, if we put the word out there, add occassional reminders, etc. at least we give folks a chance to find it. What happens from there...happens.

 

[Rupert]

yeah im not your guy for the wiki thingy mainly because ive only used it once.....

although i would recommend putting stickies in the big threads (ie the ones for video clips, images, and stories) that way there would be the highest chances for the majority of lurkers to read it (cuz as a recent former lurker those are the only places i used to check out)

 

[MasterPaladin]

If the producers that use clips for sale put a little something up in their stores that should open a few more doors as well