lack of safeword possible in professional videos?

[hlkkln]

in some of the video descriptions it is indicated that no safeword is determinated... description do not obligatorily reflect the truth especially if they are professional but i wonder what is the reality in these cases...

which of them is the right answer to reflect the truth in your opinion?

a- totally impossible they are all just trying to create a sense of helplessness against cruelty... there are always safewords

b- if the victim is not ticklish and if she is just acting no safeword is needed since there is no trouble

c- sometimes it is the case even with ticklish models if the tickler is experienced enough

or any other comment?

 

[FootballGuy]

It has to be "A". It'd be professional suicide to refuse to stop tickling a model if they were really in distress.

There is a line though. I've seen videos TOTALLY ruined because the model safewords every 5 seconds. That shit just gets annoying.

 

[TTT for joy]

Generally speaking I think people should always have safe words when doing tied up tickling, let alone for medical reasons. With that being said, if the victim abuses the use of it, then at least to me, there is absolutely no point in tickling. Ideally I'd like my victim to use it only if something absolutely goes wrong.

 

[CassandraMarie]

I feel safe words are just too much of a temptation. If I see it in a video and I can tell they could have kept going it pisses me right off. Don't even get me started on the fakers that use them. If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen.
That being said I know my Lee's pride would keep him from saying it early, he also knows that if i feel he can keep going I won't stop. I'm not saying I ignore medical conditions because that would be completely wrong but I keep a very close eye on my Lee 😈

 

[knicks255]

Don't even get me started on the fakers that use them. If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen.
That being said I know my Lee's pride would keep him from saying it early, he also knows that if i feel he can keep going I won't stop. I'm not saying I ignore medical conditions because that would be completely wrong but I keep a very close eye on my Lee 😈

Safe words are there to keep people, you know, safe. You can keep an eye on someone to make sure they aren't, like, dying, but mental things like panic attacks, discomfort, and other such issues make safe words really important in most situations. I don't mean to be rude, but you'll really stir up most people if you insult people who are really conscious about that sort of thing, and there are billions of "Safe word ignored" horror stories out there that can make your skin crawl. Not as bad with you, because it's your boyfriend, and you understand that he's comfortable with it, but don't diss the safe word.

 

[ticklesndimes]

The safe word needs to be respected at all times UNLESS it has been discussed between the ler and lee because sometimes you can't tell if something is going wrong until it's too late and it's already happening.

There has to be that trust, trust that the safe word will be respected or trust that the ler will know when to stop.

I'm going to go with A, I think for a professional video there has to be a safeword or the producer can say hi to a lawsuit and bad rep. And yes safe wording after two seconds can get annoying but the model still deserves that respect (even though most don't pay to see that obviously) plus a lot of producers just cut it out when editing the video.

 

[CassandraMarie]

I know safe words are there for good reason. If I was to torture someone new there would most definitely be a safe word. I'm sure there are tons of horror stories. However with my Lee we have both agreed they are useless. I was simply sharing how I view them in my life. I do not tickle others and if I ever did it would be a pay session or a trade and safe word would be part of the transaction. But I wouldn't be doing that to satisfy my fetish only theirs so it would be their fault if they felt like they missed out on my full potential. I understand that things happen, and safewords, are essentially safeguards. But you clearly misinterpreted what I was saying. You quoted half of what I said therefore you are creating a skewed impression. I was simply agreeing that safewords are used too often in tickling media. And I am a person who has had panic attacks I know the signs and what they look like and of course wouldn't continue.
I'm not sure how I was insulting those who use safe words to my knowledge we were talking about videos not personal things, I only added some of my personal life to indicate the type of Ler I am.

 

[DeaconMye]

Safe words are there to keep people, you know, safe. You can keep an eye on someone to make sure they aren't, like, dying, but mental things like panic attacks, discomfort, and other such issues make safe words really important in most situations. I don't mean to be rude, but you'll really stir up most people if you insult people who are really conscious about that sort of thing, and there are billions of "Safe word ignored" horror stories out there that can make your skin crawl. Not as bad with you, because it's your boyfriend, and you understand that he's comfortable with it, but don't diss the safe word.

Where does she actually insult people using safewords, that was rude, she was quoting another that talked about people in the tickling media. So don't quote half of what another spoke and point your finger, let's put our reading cap on and try a little harder, not to be rude of course.

 

[knicks255]

Where does she actually insult people using safewords, that was rude, she was quoting another that talked about people in the tickling media. So don't quote half of what another spoke and point your finger, let's put our reading cap on and try a little harder, not to be rude of course.

"Don't even get me started on the fakers that use them. If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen."

My bad if I misunderstood, but you get a lot of people around the forum who take the "fuck safewords ALWAYS" attitude, and are generally completely unconcerned with lee consent or safety, and when you use the word "torture" so often, it raises a couple flags. Didn't mean to insult you personally or anything, though.

Still, I disagree with your point that it's "faking" in media as well. There should always be a safeword in any sort of professional environment. Cutting it out of the footage in the final product I understand though.

 

[TMF Jeff]

I've done a lot of videos where I didn't use a safeword, because it just didn't come up.

 

[Oddjob0226]

There were bdsm films for years without safe words but there weren't a whole slew of dead submissives being ashes up on shore or anything. When I first started playing they were still fairly new and some people used them, some didn't. People generally trusted one another if they were going to play with one another and some common sense kept things mostly safe, most of the time, the same way life in general is.

 

[Libertine]

Film is a director's medium and what you see is what the director wants you to see. KT and I have both done various bits and pieces for erotic films, and here's her take on the situation. http://www.ticklingforum.com/showth...ng-s-Not-Sexy-In-The-Least-Long-Post-With-TMI

 

[tickletherapist]

When we do tickle therapy sessions the "victims" may ask or beg for a break during the process, but it's always up to the ticklers because they know better. It's a matter of experience, and good ticklers must be this perceptive and experienced. They know the limits better than ticklees themselves, that's what therapy is about.

Safewords make the process more mechanical imho. But it's better to use them if you're not so confident or if the ticklee isn't ready to rely on you.

 

[DeaconMye]

"Don't even get me started on the fakers that use them. If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen."

No what she means here is: people faking actually being ticklish or tickled using safewords. I understand what you're saying. People in the media or not will use safewords, and I'll never have an issue with that, nor discredit them because of it. It's not my place to judge people on what they do behind closed doors, especially if they are doing it safe.

 

[nenezinho]

Hmmmm

Safewords or no safewords, every responsible ler KNOWS when the lee really really means STOP.
And when we get to that bridge, we know we will not cross it else we will fall to our death.

Safeword or not!

Then if you pick a special word is totally up to you and your ler.

For instance, here at home I cant remember the last time we did agree on some safeword. The friends who usually play with me, they feel safe, everyone knows we will push hard and stop fast if necessary. So no one really asks for safewords.
I have done a couple videos myself and safewords were also never discussed. I should say also that we never really pushed anyone hard enough on camera. Not nearly as hard as we go off camera. So...despite what it may seem on video, no one was really that distressed at any given time.

Then again, for a different take, last session I did one week ago, I was surprisingly the only one that ever asked for a stop.....go figure!!!!! Both girls did take 1 hour tickling and never ever tried to stop it. I did tough! But the reason was mainly I was tired before and sometimes it was not confortable. The girls never ever stopped besides when I told them to and they seemed pretty intent on going 1 hour non stop.....which seemed fair enough for them... 🙂

Anyway, point is:
with models you never ever push them that hard.
when you get to know people, usually you dont need safewords because you all know each other and stop is the best safeword you will always have if necessary 🙂