Let's clear something up here, once and for all.

[rhiannon]

Okay, I found something, but it's far less than the 80%...maybe the figures there were wrong...anyways, it's still bad enough:

From: Robert Emond

The study was done by Malamuth of Univ. of Manitoba Harber and
Feshbach of UCLA, in the _Journal of Research in Personality_ 14 pg
121-137 1980. A study of UCLA undergraduates of both sexes response
to rape. A rape story was read by the subjects, who then answered
questions. In the story a male undergrad asks a female undergrad if
she wants a ride to her dorm. She says no, he thinks she is being,
"an arrogant bitch" he then forces her into the car and rapes her.

36% of the men self-reported sexual arousal while reading the
story. 37% identified with the rapist. 26% said the rapist was
justified (presumably because of the perceived insult). 38% said the
victim enjoyed being raped, while 47% of the women said the woman
enjoyed being raped (I am shocked by this). 8% of the men said the
victim could have stopped the rape, while 57% of the women thought
she could have stopped it. 36% of the men thought *all women* would
enjoy victimization, while 32% of the women thought *all women* would
enjoy victimization.

The worst part is 49% of the men said that the believe that other
men would rape if they could get away with it. Even more horrendous
on a scale of 1-5, 1 being most likely, when asked if *THEY*
personally would rape if the could get away with it 51% fell between
1 and 2, and 21% fell on 3.

 

[c7_assassin]

I had a hearty LOL. What a fun thread.

 

[c7_assassin]

Okay, I found something, but it's far less than the 80%...maybe the figures there were wrong...anyways, it's still bad enough:

Rhiannon, it's a red herring. Here's your clue: the women found the rape story erotic. It's a story and everyone involved knows it.

P.S., I'm actually surprised it's not a lot higher than 21% (I'm assuming 1-2 on a scale of 5 means "not likely" or "never"); if we're in some fantasy world where I know I won't get caught, I'd take out my balls out and slap everyone I know in the face with them just because I can. But that's not scientifically valid, because asking dumb, impossible questions isn't the same as doing actual research.

 

[MaleTickleeDC]

Well I guess I'm weird in more ways than one, inasmuch as I would never rape a woman, and would never assume that a woman was enjoying being raped. What I find interesting about that data that Rhiannon posted was that the WOMEN also assumed that she was enjoying the rape. That suggests to me that our society in some twisted way views a woman saying "no" as a ritual of courtship in which she doesn't really mean "no" and at which point she really wants the man to take her. A female friend of mine told me that in a lot of Middle Eastern cultures, wives are expected to act miserable during sex with their husbands, because it's taboo for women to enjoy sexual pleasure. Just shows how messed up we humans are when it comes to dealing with sex in a mature and rational way.

 

[Angel77]

Hey, everyone is entitled to live how they want to live but if you post about what you do publicly, people are going to respond in the same matter and not everyone is going to agree with it. I personally think it's icky to play/receive money for sexual services (tickling IS a fetish to us so therefore it's sexual to a majority here) but I'm not going to judge someone else for doing it. When you start putting people down by saying how they feel doesn't matter and that the only person you care about is yourself, those statements generally don't tend to garner support. Actually, statements like that usually go over way worse than making an announcement that you tickled a hooker today. Just sayin.

 

[rhiannon]

c7, what I found most horrible about the data wasn't anyone finding the story erotic, it was this part:

The worst part is 49% of the men said that the believe that other
men would rape if they could get away with it. Even more horrendous
on a scale of 1-5, 1 being most likely, when asked if *THEY*
personally would rape if the could get away with it 51% fell between
1 and 2, and 21% fell on 3.

Okay, and the part where women thought most women enjoyed being victimized! That just scared me! But we are getting waaaay off topic here.

 

[DontAskJusTckle]

To NonConTickler. I think your problem is the result of an inconsistency in your personal discipline. When it comes to the women, you are 100% emotionally detached. Whether that's "creepy" or not is irrelevant, since creepy is in the eye of the beholder.

This emotional detachment is key to your tickling philosophy, and whether that's good, bad, right, or wrong is not the issue here. It's a philosophy that has served you well, a fact which speaks for itself.

But when it comes to your compadres here on the TMF, you seem to feel slighted, made unwelcome, and worse. I get the idea that you resent these unfavorable attitudes directed your way. In short, you are (at least in some small measure) invested emotionally with the TMF community at large. Hence the inconsistency of which I spoke.

To resolve this dilemma, you need to change one or the other side of the imbalanced equation. If you decide that community acceptance is important to you, you're going to have to try and feel some empathy for the women you tickle, and generate some concern for them and some interest in who they are.

On the other hand, if you prefer to maintain your indifference toward your tickled women, you need to apply the same emotional detachment here at the TMF that you do with your female ticklees. You don't care what the people here think of you. Their emotionally driven reactions are of no consequence. You are Spock.

Whatever you decide, I hope it works for you.

DAJT

 

[ElFewja]

I'll just... ignore everything and respond to the original message:

I think the main problem with your post is that you're drawing upon two specific and very individual points and playing them out as if they were one single thing.

First, who cares if you are paying for private sessions? You aren't the only one, and I don't know why you would care for acceptance over your decisions. That seems to be the major point of your thread, the idea that you're demanding acceptance over partaking in sessions.

The other point is the idea of creepy and relationships. It seems the way you're looking at it -- and past posts would indicate this as well -- is that because you see a relationship as what you get out of it sexually, then that is all the relationship is not only for yourself but for others as well, which is not the case. You also start talking about the means by which getting to the same end is what is defined as creepy, despite it all being the same... well, the ends do not justify the means.

 

[NonConTickler]

As far as the sociopath thing goes, don't know, don't care. If I am a sociopath and I got treated so I wasn't a socipath anymore, it would only benefit others around me, really. Sorry but I don't care much about benefitting others, as I'm sure anyone on here who is familiar with my posts is well aware. Besides, out in the real world away from the internet, I really keep to myself as much as humanly possible. So I'm not bothering anyone. Anyway,

I confess, NonCon, you had me fooled.

All this time, I thought you were a cold, unfeeling sociopath...one had had no desire for actual human interaction, save for using hired women as little more than a masturbatory aid. I actually felt sad, thinking of how lonely it would be to never have someone to actually share your desires with (a sly, indulgent wink across the table when someone at a party mentions tickling, your SO wearing something "tickle-worthy" in public, sharing your deepest fantasies with someone who reacts with, "that's pretty cool"; you know, the kind of stuff you get without paying for it).

And despite all of your bragging about how happy you were, caring nothing for others except for what you could get out of them, I felt more than a little sorry for you. I always thought the only reason you couldn't see how sad, desolate, and pathetic such a life would be was that, as a sociopath, you simply didn't feel the need for human contact.

Now, I can see it differently. As evidenced by your demands for validation of your particular likes, dislikes, and behavior, it's clear that you do indeed desire human contact; you just insist, as you do with your paid transactions, that the contact be exactly as you want it to be.

So, again, you had me fooled. I thought you were a sociopath. In reality, I think the clinical designation would be....a big spoiled baby.

As many of you know I love talking about myself so when I saw Wolf's assessment of me, I thought I would re-post this from a thread a while back where someone asked if seeing a movie by oneself makes them a "loser". It illustrates how yes indeed Wolf, I do wish for my limited interactions with other people to be exactly the way I want them. Enjoy. "This is the kind of thing that annoys me so goddamn much! But this is so much deeper than going to movies by oneself. When I was in HS I always walked up to the movie theater by my house to see a movie by myself. Why? Because I didn't have any friends. I didn't WANT friends! I had friends in the past and I had to go places I didn't particularly feel like going, they would do something I didn't like or they would do something I didn't like, you cut so many inconveniences out of life by being alone! Sure I would have liked a girlfriend to treat me like I was important, attractive, give me an ego boost. But that was as much human interaction as I craved. Of course a guy who goes everywhere by himself must be a "loser", so having a girlfriend was out of the question because what girl is going to want to be with a guy with no friends...there must be something "wrong" with him. Couldn't possibly be that he just wants to have things on his terms or he'd rather be alone. No that couldn't be it. That would make too much sense, no there must be something "wrong" with him.

What is this thing society has about how people have to have friends or there must be something "wrong" with them? I simply don't feel like dealing with the little inconveniences that inevitably come the more time you spend around people. And no, the good times are not worth the inconveniences. I'm the type of person who would in a heartbeat give up all the potential pleasant stuff, just to avoid the unpleasant stuff. We are basically just nervous systems walking around, programmed to seek pleasure and avoid pain. Well my nervous system is much more concerned about avoiding pain than gaining pleasure.

But having or not having friends, wanting or not wanting to be around people, why can't more people see this as the same as liking different flavors of ice cream or something like that? Thats all it is, a preference. Some value the pleasant parts of human interaction enough to put up with the inconveniences and some don't, and no I don't count internet as human interaction because I'm just typing words while others type words back at me, and I can end it at any time with no regard for "etiquette" or "manners" or "being cool" or anything else. One is not a "winner" and the other a "loser" depending on whether they value human interaction. They just like different flavors of ice cream. Maybe not surprisingly, my favorite flavor of ice cream is vanilla."

Finally, thanks to everyone who correctly advised me to just not give a shit what anyone on here thinks. I have a desire to control people with little or no ability to control anyone. Makes for a pretty frustrating existence. I think that's definitely part of my tickling fetish, forcing unwanted laughter out of a pretty female. But yeah you're right, I should only worry about what I want and to hell with anyone who doesn't like it. So thanks again.

 

[Jagermeistered]

To NonConTickler. I think your problem is the result of an inconsistency in your personal discipline. When it comes to the women, you are 100% emotionally detached. Whether that's "creepy" or not is irrelevant, since creepy is in the eye of the beholder.

This emotional detachment is key to your tickling philosophy, and whether that's good, bad, right, or wrong is not the issue here. It's a philosophy that has served you well, a fact which speaks for itself.

But when it comes to your compadres here on the TMF, you seem to feel slighted, made unwelcome, and worse. I get the idea that you resent these unfavorable attitudes directed your way. In short, you are (at least in some small measure) invested emotionally with the TMF community at large. Hence the inconsistency of which I spoke.

To resolve this dilemma, you need to change one or the other side of the imbalanced equation. If you decide that community acceptance is important to you, you're going to have to try and feel some empathy for the women you tickle, and generate some concern for them and some interest in who they are.

On the other hand, if you prefer to maintain your indifference toward your tickled women, you need to apply the same emotional detachment here at the TMF that you do with your female ticklees. You don't care what the people here think of you. Their emotionally driven reactions are of no consequence. You are Spock.

Whatever you decide, I hope it works for you.

DAJT

Cheers! Words of wisdom from the conservative. 😛 😀

 

[pfromptown]

I will not be as long winded as others. I do not wish to seem too insulting as I have tread the hermit's path myself many times, but I'm afraid you do sound like a bit of an ass: wanting things your own way and throwing your toys out of the pram when you don't get them, and if you don't care about other people and their feelings, why do you invite their opinions with a melodramatic, confrontational thread? At least when I was a loner I had the good sense to realise that there was probably something wrong with they way I did things, not other people.

And in the post in which you said shit like "Mods you are GOING to do your job and make sure NO ONE EVER treats ME like that EVER AGAIN!" etc, you sound a tad mentally ill. Which statistically speaking, in terms of the number of members on this website, you have a very good chance of being. Either get help if you aren't happy or quit bitching, that would be my way of clearing this up...