Ok heres the problem, i bought a dell pc a couple of years back, now i want to upgrade my machine, but its turning out to be pretty darn expensive just to upgrade. Some people have told me just to go with buying a computer from apple. Can anyone suggest something. thanks😕
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Mephistopheles
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For your work I'd advise an apple, for gaming a pc. Unless you love having alot of rubbish with errors and security holes I'd fix linux if I were you...
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What the? Dude, if money is your concern, stay the fuck away from Macs. Everything about Macs is expensive. If you think upgrading a PC is expensive, try upgrading a Mac. Hell, try BUYING a Mac. Go PC all the way: it's cheaper, there's more product support for it, and quite frankly... Macs are lame.
Go with an Intel processor and a Radeon video card. Athlon chips might be cheaper, but you get more for your money from Pentium chips. Same thing with Radeon: Nvidia is often cheaper, but Radeon is much better quality for most applications. Don't be deceived by benchmarks, because Nvidia pays many companies to specifically design programs or games so that a low end Nvidia chip will work better with them than a low end Radeon, but if you get a high end Radeon, it will blow the Nvidia equivalents out of the water. Radeon just tends to make more stable cards.
Go with an Intel processor and a Radeon video card. Athlon chips might be cheaper, but you get more for your money from Pentium chips. Same thing with Radeon: Nvidia is often cheaper, but Radeon is much better quality for most applications. Don't be deceived by benchmarks, because Nvidia pays many companies to specifically design programs or games so that a low end Nvidia chip will work better with them than a low end Radeon, but if you get a high end Radeon, it will blow the Nvidia equivalents out of the water. Radeon just tends to make more stable cards.
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MrMacphisto said:
It might be expensive, but at least you don't need to worry about 100.000 security leaks and bugs as with Winshit. I still don't understand why people actually buy such crap
Mephistopheles said:
Macs also have 100,000 security leaks, but nobody hacks them because they're only 3% of the field.
If Mac ever hits 20%, torch the sucker and go Windows.
Ask a Mac guy about security and he'll start talking about deadbolts and car alarms
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TKpervert said:Macs also have 100,000 security leaks, but nobody hacks them because they're only 3% of the field.
If Mac ever hits 20%, torch the sucker and go Windows.
Ask a Mac guy about security and he'll start talking about deadbolts and car alarms
Guess you're right 😛
Linux is the only safe way to go 😛, as safe as you make it yourself 😛
I could use the tzar's expert opinion. I think i remember him being a mac user. I was looking at the apple.com site, and i like the way the osx operating system looks. It looks nice and it looks organized. Even has a build in taskbar, very similiar to what red hat linux has.
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The New OS is built on a linex kernal base.
Very very stable (I've had no system crashes in over a year now) and when a program fails it only takes itself down. Modular protected memory usage.
You will pay more for Mac products. By about 30 to 40%. Is it worth it? The system I'm writing this on was a top of the line iMac in early 2000. It's still able run the newest programs for graphics and video editing with only minimal hits to performance. This includes photoshop and sound editing software. I have given it a lot of Ram but then one always should max that out ASAP.
Is it as expandable as a PC? No. iMacs were not designed for expansion, but G4/5 towers are. One can update them as much as you like.
Games do not come to the platform with any speed, if at all (Though things have improved over the past few years). It's not a platform you buy for games.
The new OS is pretty secure. My system has warded off several direct attacks that have come with the joy of running this forum. My biggest annoyance with viri are all the ones that PC's mail to me that I have to clear from my mailbox each day. I CAN'T open your EXE files silly viri! 🙂
I'm not up for the debate of which platform is better. Each has it's strength. PC systems are cheeper, simpler to upgrade, and have a much wider range of products that can be bought off the shelf for them, but tend to be at the mercy of Windows Op system which In my opinion is bloatware that is massivly unstable, and can't handle changes in the system well. Mac's are more stable, do better with graphics and have longer uselives but cost more, and have limited options in some areas (Like game play and hardware add ons).
If you are most concerned about cost TODAY, go with the PC. If you have the cash and are up for learning a new system try the Mac. A visit to the nearest Apple Store will let you have hands on experience with the equipment. Take some time to try it.
Good luck with your shopping!
Myriads
Very very stable (I've had no system crashes in over a year now) and when a program fails it only takes itself down. Modular protected memory usage.
You will pay more for Mac products. By about 30 to 40%. Is it worth it? The system I'm writing this on was a top of the line iMac in early 2000. It's still able run the newest programs for graphics and video editing with only minimal hits to performance. This includes photoshop and sound editing software. I have given it a lot of Ram but then one always should max that out ASAP.
Is it as expandable as a PC? No. iMacs were not designed for expansion, but G4/5 towers are. One can update them as much as you like.
Games do not come to the platform with any speed, if at all (Though things have improved over the past few years). It's not a platform you buy for games.
The new OS is pretty secure. My system has warded off several direct attacks that have come with the joy of running this forum. My biggest annoyance with viri are all the ones that PC's mail to me that I have to clear from my mailbox each day. I CAN'T open your EXE files silly viri! 🙂
I'm not up for the debate of which platform is better. Each has it's strength. PC systems are cheeper, simpler to upgrade, and have a much wider range of products that can be bought off the shelf for them, but tend to be at the mercy of Windows Op system which In my opinion is bloatware that is massivly unstable, and can't handle changes in the system well. Mac's are more stable, do better with graphics and have longer uselives but cost more, and have limited options in some areas (Like game play and hardware add ons).
If you are most concerned about cost TODAY, go with the PC. If you have the cash and are up for learning a new system try the Mac. A visit to the nearest Apple Store will let you have hands on experience with the equipment. Take some time to try it.
Good luck with your shopping!
Myriads
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Damn i wish this thread was around when i was shopping for my new computer i ended up with a Dell Lap top and not verfy impressed with it...its a good system its just i think Apple may have been a bit better!
yeah i bought a dell desktop. I have been advised that it may not have been the best pc company to go with. Dell computers are pretty expensive, they make all their own parts.
but after myriads advise, i think im going to go with the pc. I am not really into video or photo editing. thank you all
but after myriads advise, i think im going to go with the pc. I am not really into video or photo editing. thank you all
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Alot of people think Macs are expensive and they are if you keep comparing a Mac to an IBM with the same mhz rating, thats because Macs use a Reduced Instruction something or other which means they more efficient and require less speed.
Then again, go to someone that actually sells Macs and ask them if they are expensive... or better yet if they make alot of money through selling just macs. They'll probably laugh at you. Thats because at the moment Macs are about as dirt cheap as they will get because your local Mac dealer is making shit all from selling you a Mac..
Example:
I just bought an 1.25ghz eMac, Apple's economic option. Whats more I bought this as a student so I get a 10% discount. I also upgraded the HD from 40gig to 80gig for $70 AUS (good deal) and gave it a total of 1gig ram for only $300 AUS (retails at $500, the dealers can't get it that cheap even).
Altogether, this is costing me about $1500 and I've even got a 3 year warrenty. How much is that guy that sold it to me making? He's making about $35 from this transaction, not including the petrol money he's gonna need to go get my computer, or the cost of his time, resources etc etc. If I wasn't a student he might've made close to $100, but that wasn't the case.
No Mac dealer makes it money through selling new Macs. They make it through other things.... like software or third party hardware like cameras, printers etc. Thats also why Macintosh software (especially games) seem so expensive, its because they are almost making a loss selling computers.
IBM dealers don't have that problem, they actually make money through selling computers thats why the games are cheaper generally.
Theres probably more issues here, but thats a main one.
Coincidently, I'm a musican and I will be using this alot for various audio things as well as composition after I get a few little add ons like USB-midi and the like. Because of my use of the computer means that the software I'm going to buy is (and already has) going to cost at least half as much as the computer itself for each program REGARDLESS of which system I bought.
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The Pianist has demonstrated why Apple is full of shit. They refuse to even charge reasonable amounts to their distributors. Don't get me wrong, Microsoft is pretty lame too, but at this point, they're a necessary evil. Until Linux gets more third party support, the only realistic option for most computer users will remain as PCs.
