"Macho Man" Randy Savage: what really happened?

[LovesHeels]

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[Tickle Fiend]

I'm not sure what happened between Vince and Savage. I'm not sure anyone is. I remember reading something about this not too long ago. Someone in the WWE brought up Savage's name for something and Vince just said he 'didn't want to work with that man.' He has done business with other former wrestlers who he's not on good-terms with, but for some reason he won't have anything to do with the Macho Man. A Macho Man DVD was proposed this year and Vince canceled it. Same with the Macho Man action figure. I don't think we should expect him in the HOF either. I also read some things that Savage allegedly said but wasn't too sure it was his words. He had some pretty unpleasant things to say about Triple H, Vince and said that he had sex with Stephanie in the 80's, while she was still a minor too, I think. I hope we see him soon. I would love to see another Hogan-Savage match while they can still actually move.

 

[SlaverTickler]

I've been checking out all the old school videos on Youtube from back when I was a wrestling fan. I've heard that "Macho Man" Randy Savage is yet another wrestler that left the WWE and Vince absolutely hates him, and is editing stuff out of all the old tapes.

What really happened? Does anyone know the falling out between them?

Back in the day, I always thought Savage was one of the best guys around.

WM 4 - He won the title at the first tournament.
WM 5 - He lost the belt to Hogan, but he pretty much carried the match.
WM 6 - horrible mixed tag match, so let's move on! 🙂
WM 7 - arguably one of the best matches of all time, losing to the Warrior in a career-ending match. Nice "reunion" with Elizabeth after the match.
WM 8 - amazing match, beating Ric Flair for the title! (which should have been the main event, not that lame Hogan/Sid Justice match.)


What did Savage do to upset Vince? Have they reconciled?

I heard a rumore that he shagged Steph, but he was so devoted to Liz even behind the sceans that I find it hard to believe. I think he just refuses to kiss McMahon ass like alot of other "legends" have. Good for him, and Bruno too.

 

[MWhoTklsFemFeet]

I would like to think that would be able to put aside whatever beef he and Savage have for the sake of the fans so that he could induct him into the WWE Hall of Fame, if not for the sake of the fans,

A quick list by the way of guys that Vince hard a problem with one way or another and decided to put it aside...

Eric Bishoff - President of WCW, gave away results to Monday Night RAW and made it his life mission to ruin WWE then WWF to make WCW the top company. Vince later would hire on Bishoff as General Manager of RAW or for whatever real title if there was one in WWE.

Bret "Hitman" Hart - Indroduced Bret as one of the members of the Hall of Fame in 2006 years after the Montreal screw job were Vince made sure that Bret lost the Title to HBK.

Stone Cold Steve Austin - The man walked out on Vince without notice because he was pissed at the way things were going in the company, but then Vince brought him back to wrestle one final match at wrestlemania against The Rock and kept him around trying to find ways to use him.

Hulk Hogan - Did he not testafiy against Vince in a steriod trial? Didn't after everything that both Vince and Hogan did for each other, Hogan still bailed for greener pastures in WCW, only to return to WWE and go into the Hall of Fame?

I don't know much about Vince outside of what I see on TV, but I would like to think that Vince is willing to put whatever problems he has aside with a person for the sake of the fans that supported his company for year and to honor the ones who made it, the WWE, what it is.

 

[Redmage]

I don't know much about Vince outside of what I see on TV, but I would like to think that Vince is willing to put whatever problems he has aside with a person for the sake of the fans that supported his company for year and to honor the ones who made it, the WWE, what it is.

Well, if the prevailing theory is correct, and Savage had sex with Vince's daughter when she was underage, then that would explain it. There's not much chance of forgiveness with that.

 

[Strider]

You know, I'm not sure how the 'Savage slept with Stephanie' rumors got started and how long they've been circulating, but given Vince's history of putting aside bad blood if he thinks there's ratings in it, it seems obvious that whatever happened between him and Savage had to be pretty goddamned bad. It's almost enough to make one believe the rumors are on to something.

 

[Deleted member 66627]

I hope we see him soon. I would love to see another Hogan-Savage match while they can still actually move.

Never gonna happen, Hogan has officially gone 'Celebrity' with all the shit about breaking it off with his wife.


And I saw these tidbits which slightly suprised/amused me:


On October 7, 2003, Savage released a hip hop album titled: Be a Man. The album features a tribute to wrestler and friend Curt Hennig and the title track which mocks former friend Hulk Hogan.


His former wife Elizabeth Hulette was found dead in the home of professional wrestler Lex Luger on May 1, 2003 from a drug overdose. While numerous wrestlers and insiders have blamed Luger for Elizabeth's death, it is important to note that Savage bears no ill will towards Luger. According to a 2003 shoot interview with Lanny Poffo (Savage's brother), Savage has no animosity towards Luger, and feels that Elizabeth brought about her own death due to her drug use.

In 2005, Savage told a Missouri newspaper that he couldn't wrestle right at the moment because of "health concerns."

Jakks Pacific tried to sign him up for the WWE Classic Superstars action figure line up only to be denied by Vince McMahon, despite the fact that he allowed them to sign a number of wrestlers on bad terms with WWE, including The Ultimate Warrior (signed twice ), Bruno Sammartino, The Honky Tonk Man, and even Bret "Hitman" Hart. Savage remains one of the only prominent WWE stars who hasn't signed with Jakks for a figure.

In January 2008, it was announced that a DVD chronicling Randy Savage's career would be released by WWE titled Randy Savage: Macho Madness. The DVD was scheduled to be released on November 18, 2008. However, Vince McMahon once again intervened and denied the production of Randy Savage merchandise.

MWhoTklsFemFeet: You mentioned a few wrestlers/employees of Vince that he has had issues with, Let's all not forget the drama with Stone Cold, It was not all scripted, And he still pumped The Condemned, and had him do guest slots.

Now either Vince is a real ***** for numbers, And was legitimetly looking out for Randy, because he claimed he was going through 'health issues' and such, and since Elizabeth died, he might have been all fucked up from that..

Or..

Randy really managed to Piss him off. But even then, I know Vince wouldn't take it away from the fans.. He may act like a prick, but he is a HELL of a Business Man.

 

[Deleted member 66627]

Whatever it is that pissed Vince off so much, I'm sorry, but it's about time someone stuck it to him for once. You may call him a genius businessman but his climb to the top has been nothing short of brutal...he has screwed more people over and ruined more lives, and he's the ultimate backstabbing, lying jerk. You knw his "character", Mr. McMahon? It's not a character, it's who he is.

Of course, and Business is not all Unicorns, Easy Paths and Pretty little positive comments, It's a dog eat dog world and if you want to go anywhere in life you've got to step on a few toes. It's the way of the beast.

And "Mr. Mcmahon" is indeed a character, BASED on who Vince is as a person, and it's all slightly exaggerated.

 

[Deleted member 66627]

Thank God I'm not a beast.

If I ever treat people the way McMahon does, just kill me. Believe it or not, but there are many things in life more important than money.

Of course there are, But a lot of those enjoyable things wouldn't be available if it weren't for all those big, bad business men doing what they do best to keep this "fantastic" economy going.

And although it's great to think about all the better things out there then the materialistic ones, It's also slightly niave to try and 'hope' that it doesn't happen based on a personal preference of how the world 'should be'. I'm speaking in a figurative sense here, By the way.

Life in general is not about money, but it sure as hell makes the world go round.

 

[Redmage]

If Savage did sleep with Steph when she was underage (and cheat on Elizabeth in the process?), I wonder how old she was...if she was real young like 15 or 16, then why didn't Vince have Savage thrown in jail? And if she was say 6 months shy of her 18th birthday, he should just get the hell over it.

I can think of a few reasons why he might not take it to the police. It's possible that Steph refused/refuses to testify against Savage, for reasons of her own. It might be that Vince feels this sort of scandal would be bad for the WWE or for wrestling in general. It's possible that they did it in a state with an age of consent lower than 18 (most states are in the 16-17 range), so it was technically legal there, but still enough to seriously piss him off.

 

[SlaverTickler]

If and when...

If Savage did sleep with Steph when she was underage (and cheat on Elizabeth in the process?), I wonder how old she was...if she was real young like 15 or 16, then why didn't Vince have Savage thrown in jail? And if she was say 6 months shy of her 18th birthday, he should just get the hell over it. (Vince has cheated on his wife mutliple times and ten bucks says ole' Steph slept with quite a bit of older guys before she was "legal".)

Well, as you put it, "if this story is true", and Steph was a minore then it probably means Savage was making him a load of cash. This also means, reluctantly or not, Vince isn't above pimping out his own daughter to the talent. It also make you wonder who else Steph may have played "ring rat" too over the years.

 

[Tickle Fiend]

Well, as you put it, "if this story is true", and Steph was a minore then it probably means Savage was making him a load of cash. This also means, reluctantly or not, Vince isn't above pimping out his own daughter to the talent. It also make you wonder who else Steph may have played "ring rat" too over the years.

Actually it doesn't.

 

[SlaverTickler]

Actually it doesn't.

Maybe not to a McMahonite like yourself, but I've long since broken away from that cult. I suport the art of pro wrestling, just not the current product or promotions. When/if they bring in a 3rd (and nutral, party) to monitore it, and make sure that the "drug teasting" is fair and equil among all the wrestlers, that would be a step in the right direction. Also a health and safty standard that would ensure nobody does any stunts with out proper safty back ups in place, would be a good idea too. Not just for the WWE but all the companies, including indie promotions.

 

[Goodieluver]

Savage is a powderkeg of issues that McMahon prob doesnt want to get close to again. Savage was known for being crazy in wcw and ended up putting alot of guys in hospitals(including referees)

 

[RonMexico]

Stone Cold Steve Austin - The man walked out on Vince without notice because he was pissed at the way things were going in the company, but then Vince brought him back to wrestle one final match at wrestlemania against The Rock and kept him around trying to find ways to use him.

I don't think Austin's match against the Rock at WrestleMania was intended in advance to be his final match. He had to retire when he did because his neck was never right again after the Owen Hart botched piledriver and it got to the point where he was risking becoming crippled for life. And I don't think he was ever on bad terms with Vince or WWE over leaving, especially since WWE was so open about letting Austin tell his side of the story, in their RAW magazine shortly before he returned.

And Savage was always a much better heel than face IMO, and even in the nWo days he never quite got that magic back that he had when he first came to WWE from Memphis in the mid 80s. But yes it is curious that Vince hasn't put his differences with Savage aside for the sake of business, like he has with so many other wrestlers.

 

[Tickle Fiend]

I don't think Austin's match against the Rock at WrestleMania was intended in advance to be his final match. He had to retire when he did because his neck was never right again after the Owen Hart botched piledriver and it got to the point where he was risking becoming crippled for life. And I don't think he was ever on bad terms with Vince or WWE over leaving, especially since WWE was so open about letting Austin tell his side of the story, in their RAW magazine shortly before he returned.

Austin said that he knew it would be his final match before going in, but he just decided to go out quietly. He also said that he talked to the Rock about another match. I just read an interview he did a couple of weeks ago and he said he wish he was in the condition to still wrestle full time.

 

[Redmage]

Well, as you put it, "if this story is true", and Steph was a minore then it probably means Savage was making him a load of cash. This also means, reluctantly or not, Vince isn't above pimping out his own daughter to the talent. It also make you wonder who else Steph may have played "ring rat" too over the years.

I suppose a die-hard McMahon hater might need to see it that way. However in the cold light of logic, IF Stephanie got in bed with any of the talent, it does not mean that her father approved of it or even knew about it at the time it was happening.

Teen girls very often sleep with people their fathers don't approve of or know about until after the fact. The fact that a father's last name is McMahon doesn't change that - it just makes certain people eager to look for the nastiest possible interpretation of speculative facts.

 

[SlaverTickler]

Teen girls very often sleep with people their fathers don't approve of or know about until after the fact. The fact that a father's last name is McMahon doesn't change that - it just makes certain people eager to look for the nastiest possible interpretation of speculative facts.

Ever played SmackDown vs Raw 06 Red? I have, if McMahon can take cheap shots so can I.

 

[Redmage]

Ever played SmackDown vs Raw 06 Red? I have, if McMahon can take cheap shots so can I.

Filed under "Things I Learned on the Playground."

 

[Heeko]

Macho Man got a dark tan and became "Black Machismo" in the joke that is TNA.

 

[SlaverTickler]

Macho Man got a dark tan and became "Black Machismo" in the joke that is TNA.

Yeah unlike that Marky Mark wanna be in the joke that is WWE.

 

[Heeko]

If you are referring to John Cena, the only similarity he shares with Marky Mark is possible looks only. He's never stolen any of his lines or tried to be him. He's never been sued by Marky Mark for possible copyright infringement. Not only that, but Marky Mark has never been a professional wrestler.

On the other hand, "Black Machismo" has actually stolen another wrestler's gimmick all the way down to a Miss Elizabeth wanna be. That takes real imagination. Oooooh yeah!

TNA is a joke and nothing more than WWE wanna be's and has beens. Either that or wrestlers who are heavily in financial debt or just too stupid to know when to call it quits. How old is Kevin Nash these days? He looks about 60.

I'm just waiting on Somoan Joe to do the People's Elbow next. So far he's stopped just short of saying he's the "People's Champion". I wonder why?

 

[SlaverTickler]

If you are referring to John Cena, the only similarity he shares with Marky Mark is possible looks only. He's never stolen any of his lines or tried to be him. He's never been sued by Marky Mark for possible copyright infringement. Not only that, but Marky Mark has never been a professional wrestler.

He's a white "Rapper" from boston who looks like the lost Walburg brother, and your trying to tell me that the WWE wasn't thinking about that when he started doing that stupid gimmick?

On the other hand, "Black Machismo" has actually stolen another wrestler's gimmick all the way down to a Miss Elizabeth wanna be. That takes real imagination. Oooooh yeah!

The bit is over with the fan's, and that is all that matter to a smart promoter. Like when Vince couldn't get the Road Warriors at one time so he created his on version called Demolition.

TNA is a joke and nothing more than WWE wanna be's and has beens. Either that or wrestlers who are heavily in financial debt or just too stupid to know when to call it quits. How old is Kevin Nash these days? He looks about 60.

I don't think any WWE fans should be talking about age, considering they bering back Hack Hogan or "Rowdy" Roddy Diaper every year for sweeps. Considering they let an old man like Rick Flair win the Tag straps with Piper when he was in his late 50's or was it early 60's, and pretty ,much ruined Carlito by having Flair beat him for the IC strap. They sound pretty stupid to me. They blew a great chance to push MVP by having him beat Flair in a "rubber match" (as I understand they each had 1 win over each other) thus setting MVP up to do what Shawn is doing with Batista right now (www.liveaudiowrestling.com if you want to see how I am keeping up).

I'm just waiting on Somoan Joe to do the People's Elbow next. So far he's stopped just short of saying he's the "People's Champion". I wonder why?

Joe doesn't need the peoples Elbow, because unlike Mr. Johnson he can actualy do more then kick and punch his way through a match. Joe doesn't have to call himself the Peoples Champ, because the fans in TNA declaired him that the frist time they saw him. The only problem with the TNA program is that the bookers worn't listening to the fan's, the biggest problem with the WWE fans it that they just blindly go along with what ever the bookers shit out their ass.

AND THATS THE FISHING LINE BECAUSE SHARK BOY SAID SO!

 

[Goodieluver]

If you are referring to John Cena, the only similarity he shares with Marky Mark is possible looks only. He's never stolen any of his lines or tried to be him. He's never been sued by Marky Mark for possible copyright infringement. Not only that, but Marky Mark has never been a professional wrestler.

On the other hand, "Black Machismo" has actually stolen another wrestler's gimmick all the way down to a Miss Elizabeth wanna be. That takes real imagination. Oooooh yeah!

TNA is a joke and nothing more than WWE wanna be's and has beens. Either that or wrestlers who are heavily in financial debt or just too stupid to know when to call it quits. How old is Kevin Nash these days? He looks about 60.

I'm just waiting on Somoan Joe to do the People's Elbow next. So far he's stopped just short of saying he's the "People's Champion". I wonder why?

Its a fucking homage, get over it. Fans know who savage is\was. Thats like saying ECW stole the nwo gimmick and made the bwo, well they did, but because it was a joke.

Why dont you mention rock "stealing" the dragons elbow from great muta?
And yeah, the average age of tna wrestlers is prob far below that of wwe and more entertaining. Christopher Daniels is a more talented wrestler and brilliant wrestling mind than probably 3\4 of the wwe active roster

Surprised you havent commented on Shark boy doing a steve austin style gimmick now, which is actually more entertaining than steve austin ever was in his wwf days

 

[Heeko]

He's a white "Rapper" from boston who looks like the lost Walburg brother, and your trying to tell me that the WWE wasn't thinking about that when he started doing that stupid gimmick?

The bit is over with fans and that's all that matters. Check out your own words.

The bit is over with the fan's, and that is all that matters to a smart promoter. Like when Vince couldn't get the Road Warriors at one time so he created his on version called Demolition.

And Vince is such a smart promoter he realized imitations just don't cut it to the above average fan, or least for only so long. So he, at one time, actually did sign the Road Warriors.

I don't think any WWE fans should be talking about age, considering they bering back Hack Hogan or "Rowdy" Roddy Diaper every year for sweeps. Considering they let an old man like Rick Flair win the Tag straps with Piper when he was in his late 50's or was it early 60's, and pretty ,much ruined Carlito by having Flair beat him for the IC strap. They sound pretty stupid to me. They blew a great chance to push MVP by having him beat Flair in a "rubber match" (as I understand they each had 1 win over each other) thus setting MVP up to do what Shawn is doing with Batista right now (www.liveaudiowrestling.com if you want to see how I am keeping up).

You make it sound like I'm a WWE fan without even asking. Trust me, WWE has put out some sheit product too. Do you like seeing midgets, dwarfs, little people, whatever you want to call them slammed around in a cage? WWE has produced some mental malfunctions like the Undertaker kidnapping Stephanie and 'marrying' her? How old was she back then? About 14-16 ?? I think WWE was undecided what to do with the tag belts so they gave them to Flair/Piper knowing it would be easy to drop them later. Besides, when a legend wins a belt, it doesn't exactly make people go "huh?"

Carlito ruined Carlito when he first started out by doing a cheesy rip off of Razor Ramon. He should have taken that gimmick to TNA and they would have loved it. That's what they are into, cheap copies. Blame Vince for that one. Also everyone in the world knew Flair was going to lose his match at Wrestlemania. How would that have been 'putting over' anybody? It only works when the outcome is in question. MVP would be regarded no more or no less than he is now, even if he had been Michaels.

I won't even go into the Ric Flair debate again, because any real fan knows Flair is the legend of the business. MVP will have his day but I will agree that Batista is a total bore. I don't waste my time with his matches and as far as Cena goes "You can't see me", most times I wish I didn't. He has the fan base though and Vince knows how to utilize it to maximize profits.

Joe doesn't need the peoples Elbow, because unlike Mr. Johnson he can actualy do more then kick and punch his way through a match.

The Rock has more mic skills in his sleep than Joe has when he's actually trying to talk. I also think you have Rock confused with Hogan. Unlike Hogan, the Rock could actually wrestle. Booker T copied one of his finishing moves and renamed it, much like Hart did with the Scorpion.

Joe doesn't have to call himself the Peoples Champ, because the fans in TNA declaired him that the frist time they saw him.

I think it has more to do with something called a possible lawsuit and copyright infringement. I'm sure TNA is investigating their possibilities. If there is any way they can copy it, you can count on them doing it.

The only problem with the TNA program is that the bookers worn't listening to the fan's, the biggest problem with the WWE fans it that they just blindly go along with what ever the bookers shit out their ass.

A double standard. If Vince didn't listen to the fans, his product wouldn't be successful.


I think the biggest problem with TNA is they copy and use tired, old rehashed gimmicks and fill the roster with WWE has beens, use-to-bes or young, not good enough yet wanna bes. If they show me something fresh and now I would be more than happy to watch as a WWE alternative. The only thing I've seen original in TNA is the ring difference.

I don't care to see a rehashed Macho Man, a Stone Cold joke idiot or someone like Big Poppa Pump in a main event and especially not a Rock wish I was. Kurt Angle is the only bright star and only reason I would even waste my time with TNA. Vince messed up by letting him go imo, for whatever reason. But I guess when you own most anything worth having wrestling related, I guess you have that luxury of letting one go.

AND THATS THE FISHING LINE BECAUSE SHARK BOY SAID SO!

*yawn* If Shark Boy thinks of something original and uses his own gimmick he would be worth watching. But bookers at TNA would rather waste his talent and lose potential fans by rehashing a tired old gimmick that's moved on.