"Macho Man" Randy Savage: what really happened?

[Heeko]

Its a fucking homage, get over it. Fans know who savage is\was. Thats like saying ECW stole the nwo gimmick and made the bwo, well they did, but because it was a joke.

Why dont you mention rock "stealing" the dragons elbow from great muta?
And yeah, the average age of tna wrestlers is prob far below that of wwe and more entertaining. Christopher Daniels is a more talented wrestler and brilliant wrestling mind than probably 3\4 of the wwe active roster

Surprised you havent commented on Shark boy doing a steve austin style gimmick now, which is actually more entertaining than steve austin ever was in his wwf days

Joe doesn't have to call himself the Peoples Champ, because the fans in TNA declaired him that the frist time they saw him.

They sure did. All four of them.

Found one. Something is a "joke" because some people take it that way. If you think the bwo was a joke you are entitled to that opinion. What you call a joke, I call lack of imagination and originality. Much like "Black Machismo".

As far as Rock stealing a move from Great Muta, just about every wrestling hold created has been manipulated, changed and/or renamed at one point. Muta himself probably picked it up from somewhere and somebody. Also I don't see Rock spewing green mist and painting his face white. It's one thing to put your own twist on a move, because there isn't a wrestler who hasn't done it. It's another to totally copy a gimmick and character.

There's really little point in debating any of this. These are all grown men putting on a staged, choreographed show to entertain fans. They use whatever they can to achieve that goal. As long as it makes them money I don't think they care. So why should we.

As far as the Stone Cold remark you are way off base. His weak entertainment value is now reflected in the millions - and millions - of t-shirts now sold with his image and tag line. If I'm not mistaken, Stone Cold's merchandise sales are the highest in WWE history. Apparently, someone was 'entertained'.

 

[Tickle Fiend]

He's a white "Rapper" from boston who looks like the lost Walburg brother, and your trying to tell me that the WWE wasn't thinking about that when he started doing that stupid gimmick?



The bit is over with the fan's, and that is all that matter to a smart promoter. Like when Vince couldn't get the Road Warriors at one time so he created his on version called Demolition.



I don't think any WWE fans should be talking about age, considering they bering back Hack Hogan or "Rowdy" Roddy Diaper every year for sweeps. Considering they let an old man like Rick Flair win the Tag straps with Piper when he was in his late 50's or was it early 60's, and pretty ,much ruined Carlito by having Flair beat him for the IC strap. They sound pretty stupid to me. They blew a great chance to push MVP by having him beat Flair in a "rubber match" (as I understand they each had 1 win over each other) thus setting MVP up to do what Shawn is doing with Batista right now (www.liveaudiowrestling.com if you want to see how I am keeping up).



Joe doesn't need the peoples Elbow, because unlike Mr. Johnson he can actualy do more then kick and punch his way through a match. Joe doesn't have to call himself the Peoples Champ, because the fans in TNA declaired him that the frist time they saw him. The only problem with the TNA program is that the bookers worn't listening to the fan's, the biggest problem with the WWE fans it that they just blindly go along with what ever the bookers shit out their ass.

AND THATS THE FISHING LINE BECAUSE SHARK BOY SAID SO!

If there's one thing I can't stand it's when people pull thoughts out of their ass when they're arguing. Cena truly does love this thing we call hip-hop. The rapping gimmick began because he likes rap and he freestyles. I believe it was Stephanie McMahon who got the idea when she heard him rapping. His freestyling was a factor in getting him over (and I can't figure out why he stopped doing it.) You think that of all the white rappers the WWE could've modeled him after that they would chose Marky Mark?

You're second statement contradicts a lot of your past negative responses about the 'E. I'm not a Cena fan or hater, but I know why he's at the top. I'm not a fan of leprechuan's, but I know why he gets TV time.

You're using occasional appearances to paint a broad picture of the WWE. Hogan was at Raw's 15th Anniversary Special in December, more than a year after his last appearance. They bring these guys back whenever they can, and usually Hogan leaves after he does a program with somebody. Flair just retired in his late-50's and could still out wrestle Nash. Nash is one of those people who just doesn't know when it's time to quit.

I love how you act as if WWE fans think the WWE is a 5-star program. You're an idiot.

 

[Tickle Machine]

I do respect Savage's legacy, and as far as Jay Lethal goes, Savage has said himself he loves the gimmick. Jay Lethal is going to be around for a long time lord willing on his career. Jay Lethal is very talented, but yes he will have to come up with a style on his own or else fans will not see him for who he can really be. A wrestler can not copy another wrestler's gimmick forever. Right now Jay Lethal is copying Savage's gimmick all the way down to the "marriage" at Slamaversary. Even Jake "The Snake" was in that one! As far as the rumors about Savage and Steph, The first I have read about it is on here.

 

[SlaverTickler]

If there's one thing I can't stand it's when people pull thoughts out of their ass when they're arguing. Cena truly does love this thing we call hip-hop. The rapping gimmick began because he likes rap and he freestyles. I believe it was Stephanie McMahon who got the idea when she heard him rapping. His freestyling was a factor in getting him over (and I can't figure out why he stopped doing it.) You think that of all the white rappers the WWE could've modeled him after that they would chose Marky Mark?

Well if you consider the fact that he looks just like him, and sounds just like him... except that Mark has better acting skills. The reason he stopped doing it was because he did that shitty movie, and it the WWE wanted his ring personal to mix better with the film. I had always thought the reason they went with the Rapper angle was because of how he dressed up for a Halloween episode of SmackDown and the fans popped for it so they went with it.

Yeah, Vince can't come up with any good ideas so he disrespect his best workers by putting the CW Title on a midget. As for Cena, I can understand him being near the top of the card, because he is popular and his mech sells, but putting the World title on him, that I will never get.

You're using occasional appearances to paint a broad picture of the WWE. Hogan was at Raw's 15th Anniversary Special in December, more than a year after his last appearance. They bring these guys back whenever they can, and usually Hogan leaves after he does a program with somebody. Flair just retired in his late-50's and could still out wrestle Nash. Nash is one of those people who just doesn't know when it's time to quit.

And you being pretty selective on what you comment on. Even excluding the fact that Flair and Piper were a combined age of over 100 years, and that niether of them should be holding a title how do you defend triple H squashing the entire tag team divition in a single night all on his own, or him and his Boy Toy Shawn Micheals beating 5 guys all on their own. It's bull shit Fiend, it's politics and it's bull shit. I di afree with you about Nash and Flair, not that it takes alot of talent to out work Nash. Then again it was the same bread of stupid that put Nash on top in the WWF that keeps Cena on top in the WWE.

I love how you act as if WWE fans think the WWE is a 5-star program. You're an idiot.

I like how you don't think that their are WWE fans who think that about the WWE. Considering how long the WWE has been around, and how smart Vince is suposed to be, why couldn't they use Ultimo Dragon better then they did? Why is a talented worker like CM Punk barried when the fans love what he does in the ring? Do you know why Sting isn't in the WWE? Well I will tell you. First of all he started out with the Jerrets, and when they couldn't use him they went out of their way to find him a spot with another company, secondly was the way they direspected Booker T on TV by having the Rock say to him "Who in the Blue Hell are you." thus killing any respectability his success in WCW might have had. The idiot here is you for suporting a company that is run by a spoiled peice of shit only child that ruins people out of spite wrather then use their abilities to even more money then he did by crushing them.

 

[SlaverTickler]

I do respect Savage's legacy, and as far as Jay Lethal goes, Savage has said himself he loves the gimmick. Jay Lethal is going to be around for a long time lord willing on his career. Jay Lethal is very talented, but yes he will have to come up with a style on his own or else fans will not see him for who he can really be. A wrestler can not copy another wrestler's gimmick forever. Right now Jay Lethal is copying Savage's gimmick all the way down to the "marriage" at Slamaversary. Even Jake "The Snake" was in that one! As far as the rumors about Savage and Steph, The first I have read about it is on here.

In time he'll have to either stop using it all together or find a way to ajust it so it isn't such a carbon copy. Leathle is deffinetly a world class perfotmer, and it is a shame that he even needs a gimmick, his talen should be enough.

 

[InspectorJapp]

Considering how long the WWE has been around, and how smart Vince is suposed to be, why couldn't they use Ultimo Dragon better then they did?
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The idiot here is you for suporting a company that is run by a spoiled peice of shit only child that ruins people out of spite wrather then use their abilities to even more money then he did by crushing them.

God knows Vince and the WWE has made many mistakes through the years.
But what does that say about the rest? I mean, there is no real competition.

 

[SlaverTickler]

God knows Vince and the WWE has made many mistakes through the years.
But what does that say about the rest? I mean, there is no real competition.

You got me. I was a big TNA fan when I finaly got to see them. They had great in-ring work with none of the dumb SNL type skits, then Angle came over and I thought "WOW What a great grab for TNA" unfortunetly it seems I was wrong. The booking went down hill, and all the guys who helped build that company into something decent were barried or forgotten. For example Robert Roode was in the ring once and Angle came down and told him to get out an he just left. Even if Angle kicked his butt and tossed him out at least Roode would have still shown some balls. The fued between Joe and Angle was waisted because they should have put the belt on Joe first, have the two of them go perilel for a while and then have a big showdown, maybe even have Joe win the first match, and then Angle wins the secound. TNA is alot like WCW was near the end. All the talent they could ever need, and no clue how to use it.

 

[Ace Riley]

Well, if the prevailing theory is correct, and Savage had sex with Vince's daughter when she was underage, then that would explain it. There's not much chance of forgiveness with that.

Not big into wrestling these days, I'm 25, but I remember Randy Savage. He was wrestling to me, more so than even hogan.

He was that off-the-wall star that the 'other' kids liked. While everyone had Hulkamania on their minds, I was going "Oooohyeaaah". The entry, the attitude. Even is NWO skit was pure entertainment.

But I have to say, if the above is true, it makes more sense in the world why this is happening, and I think personally, keeping Randy out of the picture is better than making a mockery of him and the fans that loved him, collected the figures and the posters over the years.

When they clowned Ultimate Warrior, WWE basically pissed on an entire generation of once kids now grown adults, and frankly it's why I don't watch wrestling anymore.

I like how you don't think that their are WWE fans who think that about the WWE. Considering how long the WWE has been around, and how smart Vince is suposed to be, why couldn't they use Ultimo Dragon better then they did? Why is a talented worker like CM Punk barried when the fans love what he does in the ring? Do you know why Sting isn't in the WWE? Well I will tell you. First of all he started out with the Jerrets, and when they couldn't use him they went out of their way to find him a spot with another company, secondly was the way they direspected Booker T on TV by having the Rock say to him "Who in the Blue Hell are you." thus killing any respectability his success in WCW might have had. The idiot here is you for suporting a company that is run by a spoiled peice of shit only child that ruins people out of spite wrather then use their abilities to even more money then he did by crushing them.

^^ ownage

 

[SlaverTickler]

When they clowned Ultimate Warrior, WWE basically pissed on an entire generation of once kids now grown adults, and frankly it's why I don't watch wrestling anymore.

I can't say much more then I have on the Savage thing, because it is pretty much speculation. For all we know Savage may get a piece of anything Vince uses with him in it, and he might be miffed about Savage jumping ship. However the Warrior is another matter. I don't like Vince, I think that is pretty clear, and part of why I don't like him is because he is a cheat. The Warrior had a contract with Vince, and going into the a Summer Slam main event dubbed "The Match Made In Hell" Warrior told Vince that if he didn't give him a half million dollars he wouldn't go out. I heard about this years before any Warrior DVD hit the stands, and considering McMahon more or less turned on Hogan for the Warrior behind the scense I find it hard to believe that this is one story that is probably true.

I also read (again in Bret Harts Book) that the Warrior once left a kid with cancer out in a hallway at an arena for an entire show while he sat in the dressing room and played cards. The thing that makes this even more fucked up is the fact that he never sat with the guys in the dressing room because he had his own (almost from the day he entered the "Fed"). As the story goes, Niedhart and Hart did a tag match, and when they came back to shower the kid was gone, so they thought he had gotten to meet his hero. It turned out the Warrior had told someone to move the kid away from the door so he wouldn't interupt his entrance. Basicly the Warrior was a punk.

^^ ownage

Thank You Sir.

 

[Tantrum]

If Savage did sleep with Steph when she was underage (and cheat on Elizabeth in the process?), I wonder how old she was...if she was real young like 15 or 16, then why didn't Vince have Savage thrown in jail? And if she was say 6 months shy of her 18th birthday, he should just get the hell over it. (Vince has cheated on his wife mutliple times and ten bucks says ole' Steph slept with quite a bit of older guys before she was "legal".)

Whatever it is that pissed Vince off so much, I'm sorry, but it's about time someone stuck it to him for once. You may call him a genius businessman but his climb to the top has been nothing short of brutal...he has screwed more people over and ruined more lives, and he's the ultimate backstabbing, lying jerk. You knw his "character", Mr. McMahon? It's not a character, it's who he is.

Yeah, if the rumors about Steph are true, he can't be the only one. Besides, I doubt Liz would put up with that stuff. I was p***ed off when I heard the macho Madness DVD had been killed.

 

[SlaverTickler]

Yeah, if the rumors about Steph are true, he can't be the only one. Besides, I doubt Liz would put up with that stuff. I was p***ed off when I heard the macho Madness DVD had been killed.

Well if it's not the Steph thing, then it is probably a simple matter of ego, and Vince not using a great talent to make money because of something that happened years ago. Vince is pretty easy to understand, when he does it to you it's buisness, when you do it to him it's personal.

 

[Tantrum]

Well if it's not the Steph thing, then it is probably a simple matter of ego, and Vince not using a great talent to make money because of something that happened years ago. Vince is pretty easy to understand, when he does it to you it's buisness, when you do it to him it's personal.

As far as Vince goes, nothing is south of the morality border as long as he's dishing it out.