March 9, 1997 - March 9, 2007: Tenth Anniversary of Biggie's Death

[Tickle Fiend]

Ten years ago today the world lost one of the greatest rappers of all-time, the best in my opinion. What are your thought's? What were you thinking when you found out the news ten years ago? What's your favorite song? CD from Biggie? I'm listen to the radio right now and they've already begun "Biggie Day." I definently looking forward to hearing A LOT of Biggie today.
Notorious B.I.G. Editorial: http://www.allhiphop.com/editorial/?ID=346

 

[german]

I was more of a pac fan...but his lost was a tradegy RIP

Ku5t

 

[maniactickler]

Is there a such thing as a great rapper?

 

[primetime]

damn, it's been 10 years already? wow, time does fly.

i am more of a 2pac fan that Biggie, but Biggie was definitely one of the greats. i just hope people who do not like rap, can be respectful of this thread and not use it as a sounding board as to why they hate rap. remember, if you criticize rap music, you are disrespecting an entire culture based on it. just because you do not like it, doesnt mean that the genre doesnt produce talented artists.

my favorite Biggie song has to be "Hypnotize". That song always gets me groovin'...

also, i am also amazed that the mainstream puts so much emphasis on finding killers, but yet, no one seems to care that 2pac and Biggie were killed and no one is trying to find their killers. complete bullshit...

RIP Biggie. RIP 2pac.

 

[Tick L]

It's hard to believe it's been ten years already, well RIP Biggie, he was one of the greatest rapper ever for sure.

 

[drew70]

Never heard of him. Sorry.

 

[lespieds]

Is there a such thing as a great rapper?

Fuck no there isn't. Why are you even asking such a dumb question?
I wish those assholes Eminem and 50 cent would bite the dust.

Rap is dieing.

 

[Headsnap]

2pac was great because aside from being a talented rapper he had something of a social conscience, and not all of his songs were about the usual hip-hop bullshit. Stuff like Brenda's Got A Baby, Hail Mary or I Ain't Mad Atcha had a certain resonance to them because they actually spoke about problems he saw people facing day in day out in his community and how it pissed him off. 2pac was great because he had a message.

Biggie was garbage because he didn't. Rather he DID, but his message was "lol I am fat and rich but still pretend like I'm selling 20 bags on street corners", and the only innovation he made was to be the first rapper Puff Daddy turned into a pop music cash-cow. In terms of content and technical ability he struggled to compete with most of his contemporaries let alone many of the rappers who have surfaced since he bought the farm, and the fact that he died is only seen as a tragedy by the type of clowns that think Puff Daddy's start up money came from crime rather than loans from his rich dad.

No death is a tragedy. 2pac's was a waste, Biggie's was just him getting his come-uppance for pretending to be some form of gangster when he was, in fact, a fat fraud.

Lolz: His producers were cack as well, and even when he did manage to lay hands on a well-produced beat his voice and cack-handed rap "skill" usually managed to turn it into something banal and hard to listen to.

 

[kis123]

2pac was great because aside from being a talented rapper he had something of a social conscience, and not all of his songs were about the usual hip-hop bullshit. Stuff like Brenda's Got A Baby, Hail Mary or I Ain't Mad Atcha had a certain resonance to them because they actually spoke about problems he saw people facing day in day out in his community and how it pissed him off. 2pac was great because he had a message.

Biggie was garbage because he didn't. Rather he DID, but his message was "lol I am fat and rich but still pretend like I'm selling 20 bags on street corners", and the only innovation he made was to be the first rapper Puff Daddy turned into a pop music cash-cow. In terms of content and technical ability he struggled to compete with most of his contemporaries let alone many of the rappers who have surfaced since he bought the farm, and the fact that he died is only seen as a tragedy by the type of clowns that think Puff Daddy's start up money came from crime rather than loans from his rich dad.

No death is a tragedy. 2pac's was a waste, Biggie's was just him getting his come-uppance for pretending to be some form of gangster when he was, in fact, a fat fraud.

Lolz: His producers were cack as well, and even when he did manage to lay hands on a well-produced beat his voice and cack-handed rap "skill" usually managed to turn it into something banal and hard to listen to.

Although I'm not much of a biggie fan and really didn't like his lifestyle off the mic and even agree with much of what you said; there;s a bit of a problem here.

This thread is to pay tribute and respect to a rapper that many liked and admired. In short, if you didn't have anything good and respectful to say, this probably wasn't a good place to express this opinion.

*waiting for the tomatoes from the biggie fans*

 

[isabeau]

Fuck no there isn't. Why are you even asking such a dumb question?
I wish those assholes Eminem and 50 cent would bite the dust.

Rap is dieing.

uh i beg to differ my friend....there is indeed great rap...and bite your tongue..i love Eminem...

i first thought this thread was about someone's pet..sorry lol....wow ten years..time flies doesn't it?

 

[Tamia78]

Is there a such thing as a great rapper?

Maniac, Honey......DON'T answer the thread, if you don't like it, kay?

 

[Headsnap]

Although I'm not much of a biggie fan and really didn't like his lifestyle off the mic and even agree with much of what you said; there;s a bit of a problem here.

This thread is to pay tribute and respect to a rapper that many liked and admired. In short, if you didn't have anything good and respectful to say, this probably wasn't a good place to express this opinion.

*waiting for the tomatoes from the biggie fans*

What did he ever do that was admirable? Apart from being 30 stone and succumbing to bullets before a cardiac arrest came to claim him. He wasn't innovative, he wasn't revolutionary, he was absolutely ordinary in every way. It saddens me somewhat that we get people paying tribute to Biggie when Jam Master Jay and 2pac don't get a mention, just because Biggie was marketed better and Puff Daddy did some gay song about him after he'd died.

 

[method11236]

truth.

1) Rap is dead, not becuase of a lack of talented artists, but because young white women are the target audience. And young white women are dumb.

2) Biggie dealt crack to children.

3) Listen to some Jedi Mind Tricks and Talib Kweli.

4) 50 cent is the worst thing to happen to black people since malt liquor, sickle cell and welfare.

5) I love....love...love hip hop. Listen to the Wu. New album this summer.

6) BIG was and is overrated. Pac was the real deal. Even Hov is semi real.

 

[Tickle Fiend]

What did he ever do that was admirable? Apart from being 30 stone and succumbing to bullets before a cardiac arrest came to claim him. He wasn't innovative, he wasn't revolutionary, he was absolutely ordinary in every way. It saddens me somewhat that we get people paying tribute to Biggie when Jam Master Jay and 2pac don't get a mention, just because Biggie was marketed better and Puff Daddy did some gay song about him after he'd died.

If you think BIG was ordinary then you are just plain crazy. Biggie had the best flow of all time, the shit just came natural to him. I could listen to him free style all day. And Pac gets just as much attention as BIG, even more IMO. Pac is the one with movies and documentaries that are played all the time and he still brings out an album every year. Pac had a message to some of his songs but that doesn't mean BIG needed to. Hip-hop is all about being different and staying true to yourself. It reminds me of hearing how people would get on Arthur Ashe because he wouldn't use his celebrity to speak out and make controversial statements like other athletes. He had his own way of helping humanity. Biggie had his own way of contributing to hip-hop. BIG talked about society in his own way. Run-DMC wasn't exactly trying to deliver a message with "My Addidas" or "King of Rock" were they?

 

[Tickle Fiend]

1) Rap is dead, not becuase of a lack of talented artists, but because young white women are the target audience. And young white women are dumb.

2) Biggie dealt crack to children.

3) Listen to some Jedi Mind Tricks and Talib Kweli.

4) 50 cent is the worst thing to happen to black people since malt liquor, sickle cell and welfare.

5) I love....love...love hip hop. Listen to the Wu. New album this summer.

6) BIG was and is overrated. Pac was the real deal. Even Hov is semi real.

I'm looking forward to that new Wu and Raekwon.

 

[Strider]

Is there a such thing as a great rapper?

The only reason to ask that is if you've never listened to Tribe, or Wu Tang, or NWA, or Public Enemy, or even Eminem.

Look man, I like you, and you crack me up. But if there was ever a thread where you shouldn't be... well, you; this is it.

And this is coming from someone who mainly listens to stuff involving three chord progressions.

 

[tickle_x-pert]

I not too big on Biggie, but....

(I'm a real 2 Pac fan, 4 life) Never cared for Biggie much, but I liked some of his songs, and love rap & hip hop. I think it's very sad, that 2 young brothas; have died over stupid crap. Besides being rappers & entertainers; they had family & friends who love them & are still grieving over their great losses. With that, I say RIP Biggie & 2 Pac. TX

 

[maniactickler]

Maniac, Honey......DON'T answer the thread, if you don't like it, kay?

And have everyone here miss out on my important opinions on these topics? i think not!

 

[lespieds]

And have everyone here miss out on my important opinions on these topics? i think not!

You are more of a smart ass than I am.

 

[kis123]

What did he ever do that was admirable? Apart from being 30 stone and succumbing to bullets before a cardiac arrest came to claim him. He wasn't innovative, he wasn't revolutionary, he was absolutely ordinary in every way. It saddens me somewhat that we get people paying tribute to Biggie when Jam Master Jay and 2pac don't get a mention, just because Biggie was marketed better and Puff Daddy did some gay song about him after he'd died.

You don't have to like the man, but if you have so much disdain to express, how about appropriately doing it in another thread? This is for those who wanted to show tribute to someone THEY respected and THEY admired. If you don't, why even bother to post?

When it comes to music or any form of entertainment, he/she who gets the best marketing wins (whether we like it or not) so if that meant that Biggie got marketed better, then so be it. If marketing is your issue, then charge that to Dr Dre and Shug Knight; they could've stepped up their marketing better if you ask me. Besides, 2pac wasn't even in the same league as Biggie, but you're right the marketing won out. And the gay song was borrowed from Sting, one of the most original singers of this time. Nothing that man has ever sang is gay IMHO.

There are plenty of threads about 2pac; go look them up and post on them if you like. This one's about BIG-10 years after his death; how about sticking to that topic in this thread as opposed to creating a negative sub-topic in the same thread?

 

[red indian]

The thread question is "what are your thoughts" about this guy.....so......thats what people are doing, expressing their thoughts.

Which bit of that are people having trouble understanding?

My thoughts are that Notorious B.I.G was not really in the top flight when it comes to odious criminals who deal in drugs and fire arms and occasionaly shout down a microphone as a hobby. My personal favourite is the less well known but far more talented "Infamous T.W.A.T"

Now as a musician that guy really knew his way round a whole range of fire arms and class A drugs and wow! what a great artist! I can thoroughly recommend his Frank Sinatra covers album, top of the shop is a "master mix" of "I've got you under my skin", with various large calibre hand guns going off in the background, and a satisfyingly gruesome "sample" taken from a live recording of a double rape/murder somewhere in the Bronx, which forms a groovy "chill out" section on the cut, taking the place of the famous but (lets face it guys!) rather passe' trombone solo.

 

[maniactickler]

It cracks me up when people get all bent out of shape when a different or negative comment is made about something. i thought this was america, where you can freely voice your opinions. so because i or someone else hates rap, we are suppose to start a completely new thread about it? seems like a waste of time to continually do that. just deal with the different opinions. if someone posted in my flatulence thread how sick and disgusting it was, im not gonna start whining about it. i welcome all opinions. now with that being said, did i mention i hate rap?

 

[PainTrain]

My personal favourite is the less well known but far more talented "Infamous T.W.A.T

I swear to God I've never laughed harder in my life mate.

 

[kis123]

It cracks me up when people get all bent out of shape when a different or negative comment is made about something. i thought this was america, where you can freely voice your opinions. so because i or someone else hates rap, we are suppose to start a completely new thread about it? seems like a waste of time to continually do that. just deal with the different opinions. if someone posted in my flatulence thread how sick and disgusting it was, im not gonna start whining about it. i welcome all opinions. now with that being said, did i mention i hate rap?

Oh my goodness, it's a paragraph!

I didn't know what could produce such from you! I should "whine" more often if it causes you to respond past your usual tourette-like bursts. I'll keep that in mind........then again.....not!

Nothing wrong with sticking to subject matter in a thread, making one of youur own, or just keeping a negative sub-topic to one's self. But then there are those who think they're doing something controversial when the only thing they're creating is trouble. I have no idea who I could be possibly talking about, do you?

Oh, as far as your flatulence thread and numerous posts are concerned, let's just say it's not a topic I find interesting to discuss via the internet.

 

[maniactickler]

Oh my goodness, it's a paragraph!

I didn't know what could produce such from you! I should "whine" more often if it causes you to respond past your usual tourette-like bursts. I'll keep that in mind........then again.....not!

Nothing wrong with sticking to subject matter in a thread, making one of youur own, or just keeping a negative sub-topic to one's self. But then there are those who think they're doing something controversial when the only thing they're creating is trouble. I have no idea who I could be possibly talking about, do you?

Oh, as far as your flatulence thread and numerous posts are concerned, let's just say it's not a topic I find interesting to discuss via the internet.

I never create trouble. im a good wholesome poster. plus, who the hell wants only positive posts on a subject all the time.....booooooorrrrrrrring! if you dont want to discuss my flatulence thread via the internet, then give me a ring. we can discuss it via the phone. im dying to hear about your flatulent experiences.