Armpit_licker
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tickleking said:
"Touched in the head"?? Max has contributed a hell of a lot to the TMF and the tickling community. He doesn't need to be attacked after he is gone.
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Max Says Goodbye To TMF
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"Touched in the head"?? Max has contributed a hell of a lot to the TMF and the tickling community. He doesn't need to be attacked after he is gone.
I would personally feel very sorry to see Max permenantly leave our community, as he's contributed a stupendous amount of time and material to it. I think a very large portion of the trouble we've had is breakdown in communication. With K-man's siggie a lot of people (including myself) didn't know who on earth the character was because they hadn't seen the film, and probably thought he was supporting Nazi philosophy. Well if you know K reasonably well you'd know he couldn't possibly ever do that, as he is himself a member of a group that wouldn't exactly have enjoyed privelledge under Ol' Uncle Adolph.
The main problem I think was people being too ready (and happy) to have a screaming match - and it has to be said that K was probably among them. At times (and he's admitted as much himself and apologised for it) he's been one of the least constructive communicators on the TMF. It's kind of evocative of the discussion we were having about whether a school was right or wrong for banning a girl from the prom for wearing a dress decorated like the CSA Battle Flag. Different symbols mean different things to different people and if your interpretation of it is one of offence, it's probably best to just ignore it. I think personally you give power to the offensive side of such things if you bother to highlight them. I myself think Hitler was the biggest lunatic and murderer we've known in modern times, but something as mundane as an ambiguous picture in K's sig wasn't enough to make me feel offended.
As for the situation with Max, I have sympathy for both he and Myr. The second story I wrote for the tickling fiction forum was changed during the writing because it was originally meant to be a group of 16/17 year olds at school. I should explain in Britain that the universal age of consent is 16, and this is also the age at which someone could do glamour modelling for something like Page 3 of The Sun newspaper, although they'd need parental/guardian's consent to do so. Technically someone of that age could probably do a tickling video here and be within the law.
But I felt it was safer to pitch it at 18, because we tread an unbelievably fine line here. Something completely innocuous and legal can lead to the most horrendous problems later, even if they are not of our making. There are without doubt members of our community who'd enjoy seeing minors being tickled, but can you imagine the consequences of that brush tarring us all? Someone who isn't a member of a minority doesn't automatically see divisions within it. Most vanilla people would automatically assume that we're all the sort of person who would send their 13 year old daughter e-mails asking them if they get horny when they tickle their father. They don't know us individually and don't care to. The spectre of the legal proceedings Myr alluded to hangs over us all the time. That is why we have to be so proactive in preventing any reference to underage material from staying on the boards. A 17 year old being tickled isn't an illegal or immoral situation, even if the situation is sexual; but it is a dangerous one. Like it or not we have to think like lawyers and draw a line that no-one can cross, just to stop ourselves being shafted.
Max, I hope like hell you reconsider your decision mate. It'd be sad to lose you from the online community. I don't think your stories or principles are wrong; from what he posted above I don't think Myr does either. It's about technicalities and keeping an asbestos arsehole is all.
These days any old knobber can knock up a web-site in 5 minutes flat, so I'm sure if you wanted to display the stories you mentioned it wouldn't be in the least difficult. That way you could have the final say over what went up and you'd be the one who dealt with any complaints. I would prefer it if you could do your own thing AND remain here too.
The main problem I think was people being too ready (and happy) to have a screaming match - and it has to be said that K was probably among them. At times (and he's admitted as much himself and apologised for it) he's been one of the least constructive communicators on the TMF. It's kind of evocative of the discussion we were having about whether a school was right or wrong for banning a girl from the prom for wearing a dress decorated like the CSA Battle Flag. Different symbols mean different things to different people and if your interpretation of it is one of offence, it's probably best to just ignore it. I think personally you give power to the offensive side of such things if you bother to highlight them. I myself think Hitler was the biggest lunatic and murderer we've known in modern times, but something as mundane as an ambiguous picture in K's sig wasn't enough to make me feel offended.
As for the situation with Max, I have sympathy for both he and Myr. The second story I wrote for the tickling fiction forum was changed during the writing because it was originally meant to be a group of 16/17 year olds at school. I should explain in Britain that the universal age of consent is 16, and this is also the age at which someone could do glamour modelling for something like Page 3 of The Sun newspaper, although they'd need parental/guardian's consent to do so. Technically someone of that age could probably do a tickling video here and be within the law.
But I felt it was safer to pitch it at 18, because we tread an unbelievably fine line here. Something completely innocuous and legal can lead to the most horrendous problems later, even if they are not of our making. There are without doubt members of our community who'd enjoy seeing minors being tickled, but can you imagine the consequences of that brush tarring us all? Someone who isn't a member of a minority doesn't automatically see divisions within it. Most vanilla people would automatically assume that we're all the sort of person who would send their 13 year old daughter e-mails asking them if they get horny when they tickle their father. They don't know us individually and don't care to. The spectre of the legal proceedings Myr alluded to hangs over us all the time. That is why we have to be so proactive in preventing any reference to underage material from staying on the boards. A 17 year old being tickled isn't an illegal or immoral situation, even if the situation is sexual; but it is a dangerous one. Like it or not we have to think like lawyers and draw a line that no-one can cross, just to stop ourselves being shafted.
Max, I hope like hell you reconsider your decision mate. It'd be sad to lose you from the online community. I don't think your stories or principles are wrong; from what he posted above I don't think Myr does either. It's about technicalities and keeping an asbestos arsehole is all.
These days any old knobber can knock up a web-site in 5 minutes flat, so I'm sure if you wanted to display the stories you mentioned it wouldn't be in the least difficult. That way you could have the final say over what went up and you'd be the one who dealt with any complaints. I would prefer it if you could do your own thing AND remain here too.
TickledToDeath
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You will indeed be missed here Max. Sorry to see you go and that you feel the way you do. It is understandable. Censorship ...well...sucks sometimes. A fine line indeed between what is and is not acceptable and what is acceptable to some may not be to others and when those in charge see something as "unacceptable"......well......in comes censorship and whether everyone agrees or not is not an issue. In most instances, it is like a blanket rule and decision. Whatever even comes close to being unacceptable to those in charge is censored. Period. No gray areas. Only Black and White. Whether or not is is right is again.....not a popularity contest, unfortunatly. Too much work to vote on everything. Tis not a government of or by the people.
A semi democracy at best where as the powers that be make decisions by what they see and for the good of the "community" must make a decision based on what they see and if it is not clearly white then it must be black. While technically this is NOT a sexual site in nature and there is no way to prevent certain things, there are others in the world who may, if they see something here that is , off white or even close to being......inappropriate, they could bring down a shit storm that is totally unnecessary even if only to be a jerkoff and cause trouble here cause the person has a bug up the ass.
Again, I did not see the pics in question so I cannot be a judge or jury myself at this time and maybe the situation was not handled diplomatically enough and insult was taken.......that is a seperate issue. Censorship is another issue and when the only two colors are black and white.......the rest is seen by colorblind eyes.
Just my thoughts.
Be cool Max.
TTD
A semi democracy at best where as the powers that be make decisions by what they see and for the good of the "community" must make a decision based on what they see and if it is not clearly white then it must be black. While technically this is NOT a sexual site in nature and there is no way to prevent certain things, there are others in the world who may, if they see something here that is , off white or even close to being......inappropriate, they could bring down a shit storm that is totally unnecessary even if only to be a jerkoff and cause trouble here cause the person has a bug up the ass.
Again, I did not see the pics in question so I cannot be a judge or jury myself at this time and maybe the situation was not handled diplomatically enough and insult was taken.......that is a seperate issue. Censorship is another issue and when the only two colors are black and white.......the rest is seen by colorblind eyes.
Just my thoughts.
Be cool Max.
TTD
I think the application of the term "censorship" is dependant on the spirit of the decision. I don't think it's necessarily Myr deciding it's immoral so no-one else can see it (at least it doesn't appear that way from what has been publicly said). It's more to do with what we have to arbitarily abide by if the online community is to be allowed to survive. Yes in certain circumstances under certain conditions it may suck, but we'd blink out of existence if we didn't adhere to it.
Just about everything in life is censored to one degree or another and I've only personally seen it here under the most needy of circumstances. I could be wrong of course, such has happened before ( 😉 ), but that's my take on events thus far.
Just about everything in life is censored to one degree or another and I've only personally seen it here under the most needy of circumstances. I could be wrong of course, such has happened before ( 😉 ), but that's my take on events thus far.
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I did not read everyones post on the topic but i do have something to say concerning the under aged.
How would anyone of you feel having a sex offender living next to you. I'm sure not good -------- now how do you think people feel about us. If you don't run around telling people i like to tickle and be tickled you know what i'm talking aobut. Now add under aged posting and emils to kids we would be a sex offender.
And when you get that tag you know what happens
Now consider Myriads job ------------ he has to protect forum. I dont know what a lot of us would do if we didnt have an outlet. It fun just to know that there are others like me. 1% vs 99% -------- who wants this forum closed -------------NOT ME
If the kiddies want to play with the adults they will have to wait until they reach adult hood. And we should let them grow up first. I have been in channels where a person has told me they were like 16 or 17 and stopped them immedately
1. because i dont want any mix up what-so-ever for cops to come after me ---------- something taken as sexual accidentally -------not havin' none ah dat ----------can you tell i'm West Indian
2. I just dont want the guilt of anything ---------- kids are the future and i dont think any of us want to be responsible for scarring any of them.
Myriads keep up the good work --------sorry you had to go through all those problems
The next thing offensive material i personally never came across such but i think people should use their "Common Sense" to know certain things dont go here. The Avatars is what i think they are called. I've seen anime ---which is cool--- and real pictures of people being tickled -------dont use thing that would offend ---races, ethnic groups, people groups, religions ----- others ---come on man
ps My favorite ---- the two truck pushing snow in each others path.
Why should you put something out there that is offensive to others we are a limited bunch we should try to stick together
And if this is Max as in Max Speeder i have seen some of your work and i like. I think your clip may have been the first i ever saw. Bud things get tuff sometimes but we get tougher. If you still decided to go i'm Sorry to see you leave but decisions have to be made sometimes and we have to live with it for the greater good What would you have done if you were in the Admins shoes
I havent been here much in the past but my resolution for this year is post more
Peace and Love
How would anyone of you feel having a sex offender living next to you. I'm sure not good -------- now how do you think people feel about us. If you don't run around telling people i like to tickle and be tickled you know what i'm talking aobut. Now add under aged posting and emils to kids we would be a sex offender.
And when you get that tag you know what happens
Now consider Myriads job ------------ he has to protect forum. I dont know what a lot of us would do if we didnt have an outlet. It fun just to know that there are others like me. 1% vs 99% -------- who wants this forum closed -------------NOT ME
If the kiddies want to play with the adults they will have to wait until they reach adult hood. And we should let them grow up first. I have been in channels where a person has told me they were like 16 or 17 and stopped them immedately
1. because i dont want any mix up what-so-ever for cops to come after me ---------- something taken as sexual accidentally -------not havin' none ah dat ----------can you tell i'm West Indian
2. I just dont want the guilt of anything ---------- kids are the future and i dont think any of us want to be responsible for scarring any of them.
Myriads keep up the good work --------sorry you had to go through all those problems
The next thing offensive material i personally never came across such but i think people should use their "Common Sense" to know certain things dont go here. The Avatars is what i think they are called. I've seen anime ---which is cool--- and real pictures of people being tickled -------dont use thing that would offend ---races, ethnic groups, people groups, religions ----- others ---come on man
ps My favorite ---- the two truck pushing snow in each others path.
Why should you put something out there that is offensive to others we are a limited bunch we should try to stick together
And if this is Max as in Max Speeder i have seen some of your work and i like. I think your clip may have been the first i ever saw. Bud things get tuff sometimes but we get tougher. If you still decided to go i'm Sorry to see you leave but decisions have to be made sometimes and we have to live with it for the greater good What would you have done if you were in the Admins shoes
I havent been here much in the past but my resolution for this year is post more
Peace and Love
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BigJim said:
Jim is absolutely right about this, IMO
Thanks, Myr for all the pressure you've soaked up to keep TMF going
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Myr - This is my favorite site on the web. No doubt about it. You do a terrific job. Thanks.
Max - Sorry to see you go. I enjoy your work. Start your own site and I'll be thrilled to visit.
Max - Sorry to see you go. I enjoy your work. Start your own site and I'll be thrilled to visit.
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Max already has his own site, with an archive of his wonderful stories:
http://www.kittletown.com/index2.html
http://www.kittletown.com/index2.html
Well I saw the original TklChicago mainstream post and discussion, and bit my tongue at the time. However seeing as an important member of the community is now leaving over it, here's my angle.
Basically the problem here was the high handed and arrogant response to the original post by the moderator concerned. Whether she was in a down mood or not, it was exactly the same response I received from her a few weeks prior, when I criticised the website of one of her friends. Namely:
1) My post and subsequent replies deleted.
2) An immediate threat to kick me off the forum.
Now of course all of us can go to far, make mistakes, or misunderstand the rules. However if one (or two of the moderators) first response is always to remove you from the forum (read the Tklchicago mainstream post again, to get a flavour of what was also said to me), then rather than keeping this forum friendly, instead it will generate into antagonism and resentment.
Perhaps said moderator should consider her position.
Basically the problem here was the high handed and arrogant response to the original post by the moderator concerned. Whether she was in a down mood or not, it was exactly the same response I received from her a few weeks prior, when I criticised the website of one of her friends. Namely:
1) My post and subsequent replies deleted.
2) An immediate threat to kick me off the forum.
Now of course all of us can go to far, make mistakes, or misunderstand the rules. However if one (or two of the moderators) first response is always to remove you from the forum (read the Tklchicago mainstream post again, to get a flavour of what was also said to me), then rather than keeping this forum friendly, instead it will generate into antagonism and resentment.
Perhaps said moderator should consider her position.
