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princeofpeds said:
Only an enlightened individual would truly understand what it means to be a racist. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a racist duck...

First, saying something negative about someone of a different race does make one a racist, mister "The Hawk". Example, "if you see a black person on the street, be sure to hold your purse real tight, they all steal." Got to watch out for all those theiving black reverends, they all come out after church. Sorry, such a statement would make you a racist, deal with it.

Second, yes I agree with "The Hawk", there are a whole lot of racist blacks, hell I have a few in my own family. I put those ignorant fools in the same group as anyone who talks, acts and behaves in a racist manner, they all can kiss my behind and take a fast train to hell. The people on this planet have too many problems to deal with and we don't need to be wasting time on any of these inviduals. I rather spend my time on those who want to learn a better way of getting along.

Third, 200 people have been arrested, prosecuted, convicted, and sent to prison for years (14 of whom had been sentenced to death), eventually to have their innocence established by scientific proof. 200 people who served a total of 2,475 years in prison, almost one million nights, for crimes they did not commit.", what part of that didn't you understand. These men were not freed because they begged to get out, they were freed because in each case the white prosecutor (and yes i checked) was forced too admit they were wrong once the DNA evidence came back to clear them. Using your own personal situation mister "The Hawk" is pretty bush league, especially when i never declared that everyone in jail was innocent. Next time why don't you read my post out loud, it would help you understand the meaning of the words i used.

Finally, a fool like Al Sharpton throws the race card. It's what a loud, attention grabbing nut does when they can't make an intelligent point. Like those who claimed Jar Jar Binks to be a racist character. He wasn't racist, just annoying.

People can post anything they like, just use facts. When we went to war in Iraq you had people throughout the country calling french fries (freedom fries) and french toast (freedon toast). Well guess what, they were not invented in France. I always joked that these idiots should have given back the Statue of Liberty if they really wanted to stick it to the French. The point is, that whole affair made us look like uneducated twits and whenever i see such ignorant post, i will respond in kind.

Comment is free but facts are sacred.
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Pardon my lack of 'enlightenment', since I don't practice racist behavior. Please humor me as I respond, however unenlightened I may be. And, your logic is off: If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a DUCK. Being a duck doesn't by logic make you a racist... (LOL)

(1) I have a post-graduate degree in my field of health care and am board certified in my specialty area. I don't need to read out loud to understand.

(2) Which bush league experience do you want? Watching my soon-to-be's wife rapist walk off scot free only to rape and break the jaw of another victim less than 48 hours later? Or, when I was nearly arrested for an assault that never happened, barely avoiding arrest by remembering the name of a person I had only met 2 weeks before? Sorry, I've seen and lived BOTH SIDES of the argument. I'm not walking into the discussion with my eyes closed.

(3) By your description above, that means I'm a racist because I say negative things about President Obama. I think he is being a fool in thinking that his socialist policies are good for the US. Am I a racist? No, I'm a fiscal and social conservative. There is a difference between the two.

(4) I'm glad you agree that racism goes both ways, for I have heard self-professed African American leaders say that only whites can be racists. Glad to see common ground.

(5) You quote some very interesting statistics. It shows you take researching your facts seriously. That's good. Trust me, I missed nothing in what you stated.

However, being the clinician that I am, I've reviewed and read enough medical journal articles and press reports to see how stats can be used, misused, and manipulated (like the one just released that links insulin use to getting cancer; can't wait to read and dissect that one...). My questions for you, good sir, may come off as being sarcastic. I assure you, they are not. I am going to ask you the same type of questions I would ask a student or resident presenting at a journal club session.

(a) What percentage of the whole is that 200? I.e., these are 200 out of how many total convicted in that time period? The same for time served, what percentage out of the whole?
(b) How many people were freed by DNA evidence that were prosecuted by non-white prosecutors during this same time period? Or were only cases prosecuted by whites investigated by this team, therefore creating bias in their results?
(c) Were these federal prisoners? State? County/local? How evenly distributed were these 200? Do the stats reflect a problem with certain location (i.e. specific states vs. spread across the nation evenly)?
(d) Were they evenly distributed over the crimes they were convicted for? Or, were the convictions significantly higher in certain specific criminal charges?

Don't get me wrong. I will be the first to agree that EVEN ONE person convicted wrongly is one too many. I also very well understand human behavior. As we would say at work, your numbers are clinically significant, but are they statistically significant? Is this the number one could expect from plain old human error and fallibility? Your implications appear to be racism on the prosecutor's end by the way you state and infer your report on this matter rather than human error. I'm seeking to find out which it is, or which this group claims. I do know, however, that statistics are like a string bikini. What they reveal are of great interest, but what they hide are vital.

Oh, and by the way, you can lay off the "mister 'The Hawk'" stuff. My response to your post was good old fashioned point/counterpoint. As a speech & drama competition judge, I can assure you unneeded and poorly placed sarcasm only weakens one's arguments in persuasive speech. Hawk is fine. I am not necessarily arguing against you. But anyone can throw around statistics. I want to see the entire clinical picture here.
 
Three cheers for the Hawkster..i mean Hawk..i mean Mister Hawk..well never mind lol...

Anyway i just saw a wee bit of the dress rehearsal video which was released, the rehearsal was tuesday night before his death...he looked in great shape to me..I also wish every Tom, Dick and Harriet would shut up on TV about what they supposedly said to him before..they want their fifteen minutes of fame..
 
The Hawk said:
Pardon my lack of 'enlightenment', since I don't practice racist behavior. Please humor me as I respond, however unenlightened I may be. And, your logic is off: If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a DUCK. Being a duck doesn't by logic make you a racist... (LOL)

(1) I have a post-graduate degree in my field of health care and am board certified in my specialty area. I don't need to read out loud to understand.

(2) Which bush league experience do you want? Watching my soon-to-be's wife rapist walk off scot free only to rape and break the jaw of another victim less than 48 hours later? Or, when I was nearly arrested for an assault that never happened, barely avoiding arrest by remembering the name of a person I had only met 2 weeks before? Sorry, I've seen and lived BOTH SIDES of the argument. I'm not walking into the discussion with my eyes closed.

(3) By your description above, that means I'm a racist because I say negative things about President Obama. I think he is being a fool in thinking that his socialist policies are good for the US. Am I a racist? No, I'm a fiscal and social conservative. There is a difference between the two.

(4) I'm glad you agree that racism goes both ways, for I have heard self-professed African American leaders say that only whites can be racists. Glad to see common ground.

(5) You quote some very interesting statistics. It shows you take researching your facts seriously. That's good. Trust me, I missed nothing in what you stated.

However, being the clinician that I am, I've reviewed and read enough medical journal articles and press reports to see how stats can be used, misused, and manipulated (like the one just released that links insulin use to getting cancer; can't wait to read and dissect that one...). My questions for you, good sir, may come off as being sarcastic. I assure you, they are not. I am going to ask you the same type of questions I would ask a student or resident presenting at a journal club session.

(a) What percentage of the whole is that 200? I.e., these are 200 out of how many total convicted in that time period? The same for time served, what percentage out of the whole?
(b) How many people were freed by DNA evidence that were prosecuted by non-white prosecutors during this same time period? Or were only cases prosecuted by whites investigated by this team, therefore creating bias in their results?
(c) Were these federal prisoners? State? County/local? How evenly distributed were these 200? Do the stats reflect a problem with certain location (i.e. specific states vs. spread across the nation evenly)?
(d) Were they evenly distributed over the crimes they were convicted for? Or, were the convictions significantly higher in certain specific criminal charges?

Don't get me wrong. I will be the first to agree that EVEN ONE person convicted wrongly is one too many. I also very well understand human behavior. As we would say at work, your numbers are clinically significant, but are they statistically significant? Is this the number one could expect from plain old human error and fallibility? Your implications appear to be racism on the prosecutor's end by the way you state and infer your report on this matter rather than human error. I'm seeking to find out which it is, or which this group claims. I do know, however, that statistics are like a string bikini. What they reveal are of great interest, but what they hide are vital.

Oh, and by the way, you can lay off the "mister 'The Hawk'" stuff. My response to your post was good old fashioned point/counterpoint. As a speech & drama competition judge, I can assure you unneeded and poorly placed sarcasm only weakens one's arguments in persuasive speech. Hawk is fine. I am not necessarily arguing against you. But anyone can throw around statistics. I want to see the entire clinical picture here.
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Well it seems that i hit a nerve...

Now i feel really bad about my words, I didn't think they would bring about so much pain. I need some time to think about what you said. Excuse me...
 
The Hawk said:
Pardon my lack of 'enlightenment', since I don't practice racist behavior. Please humor me as I respond, however unenlightened I may be. And, your logic is off: If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a DUCK. Being a duck doesn't by logic make you a racist... (LOL)

(1) I have a post-graduate degree in my field of health care and am board certified in my specialty area. I don't need to read out loud to understand.

(2) Which bush league experience do you want? Watching my soon-to-be's wife rapist walk off scot free only to rape and break the jaw of another victim less than 48 hours later? Or, when I was nearly arrested for an assault that never happened, barely avoiding arrest by remembering the name of a person I had only met 2 weeks before? Sorry, I've seen and lived BOTH SIDES of the argument. I'm not walking into the discussion with my eyes closed.

(3) By your description above, that means I'm a racist because I say negative things about President Obama. I think he is being a fool in thinking that his socialist policies are good for the US. Am I a racist? No, I'm a fiscal and social conservative. There is a difference between the two.

(4) I'm glad you agree that racism goes both ways, for I have heard self-professed African American leaders say that only whites can be racists. Glad to see common ground.

(5) You quote some very interesting statistics. It shows you take researching your facts seriously. That's good. Trust me, I missed nothing in what you stated.

However, being the clinician that I am, I've reviewed and read enough medical journal articles and press reports to see how stats can be used, misused, and manipulated (like the one just released that links insulin use to getting cancer; can't wait to read and dissect that one...). My questions for you, good sir, may come off as being sarcastic. I assure you, they are not. I am going to ask you the same type of questions I would ask a student or resident presenting at a journal club session.

(a) What percentage of the whole is that 200? I.e., these are 200 out of how many total convicted in that time period? The same for time served, what percentage out of the whole?
(b) How many people were freed by DNA evidence that were prosecuted by non-white prosecutors during this same time period? Or were only cases prosecuted by whites investigated by this team, therefore creating bias in their results?
(c) Were these federal prisoners? State? County/local? How evenly distributed were these 200? Do the stats reflect a problem with certain location (i.e. specific states vs. spread across the nation evenly)?
(d) Were they evenly distributed over the crimes they were convicted for? Or, were the convictions significantly higher in certain specific criminal charges?

Don't get me wrong. I will be the first to agree that EVEN ONE person convicted wrongly is one too many. I also very well understand human behavior. As we would say at work, your numbers are clinically significant, but are they statistically significant? Is this the number one could expect from plain old human error and fallibility? Your implications appear to be racism on the prosecutor's end by the way you state and infer your report on this matter rather than human error. I'm seeking to find out which it is, or which this group claims. I do know, however, that statistics are like a string bikini. What they reveal are of great interest, but what they hide are vital.

Oh, and by the way, you can lay off the "mister 'The Hawk'" stuff. My response to your post was good old fashioned point/counterpoint. As a speech & drama competition judge, I can assure you unneeded and poorly placed sarcasm only weakens one's arguments in persuasive speech. Hawk is fine. I am not necessarily arguing against you. But anyone can throw around statistics. I want to see the entire clinical picture here.
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I'm back, had to finish watching an episode of "The Hills".

I know you may find this hard to believe, but i really don't have any vested interest on anything I posted. I just like debating, especially those individuals who use opinions as facts.

The first guy, was just ignorant about what he posted. He needed to be brought down a peg. If you are going to post something, bring the facts.

The second guy who commented was clearly working through some serious racial issues. Though i will say that my "white tickling hood" reference, though funny might have been a bit much.

As for you, it's been a while since I have had a good online debate. Though you lose points for stating your educational background and related job. A good debate comes from 2 people using facts and their intelligence. Which i believed you to be. I mean dude, we are having a debate in an online tickling forum where we are both anonymous. Telling me what degree you have or where you work, doesn't really mean much when the other party can't prove it.

Now, getting back to all the points you listed:

First, if it's true, good for you. I'm glad too here you have a job. Things are tough all over.

Second, in answer to my 2 examples about innocent people who get locked up with flawed evidence, you brought up your personal experiences. Then you implied that they weren't innocent, a belief colored by your own life. The fact is, our justice system is good, but not great. Between the media rushing to judgment without all the facts, jurors who don't want to do their civic duty, prosecutors who are looking for career advancement and judges who all want to get a Federal Court appointment, justice gets skipped.

Third, I never called you a racist, i called you a duck. As to whether or not you like President Obama, I really don't care one way or the other. It's been six month's, Bush took 8 years to screw everything up. He was no Reagan. Though, i give you respect for saying "President Obama". As far as his socialist policies go, I don't think you'll have anything to worry about. Think, it will be only a matter of time before his Marxist and Communist policies get in the way.

Finally, as i said earlier, i really don't have any vested interest in people freed after serving time for a crime they didn't commit. When you posted your 'innocent' comment in your post, i wanted to prove my point. So i goggled a related article, cut and pasted the paragraph into my post. I'm sure that information you asked about is important, but not too me. I would say that someone of your stated background would be ideal for such a study.

It's been a real pleasure...
 
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Really? You mean he's really dead and not faking it like they all say Elvis has been all these years and he's not just taking Elvis's place in that remote Caribbean night club singing Eddie Rabbit songs like the Enquirer says he is living in that same hotel where JFK and Jimmy Hoffa are hiding out?

Gee, what a bummer.............
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Man im so tired about hearing about this guy. This is what drug addicts do they o-d and die. That what happened in his case.
 
It's actually the drug-addiction part of the whole story that's been bugging me. According to his whack-assed family, MJ became addicted to pain-killers after that tragic ad-shoot where his hair caught on fire. Understandable. Getting burned on your scalp is undoubtedly painful. I can only imagine.

But, why then would you turn around and for years have what must have also been undoubtedly painful reconstructive surgery-after-surgery to make your once handsome face look like the freakazoid that poor MJ turned himself into? That shit had to hurt bunches, too.

I just think it's duplicitous to continue to blame a serious psychological disorder on that one failed commercial shoot.
 
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