Minor rant about tickle vid producers..

[Horatio]

As a consumer of dozens of tickling clips, I thought it might be interesting to see if any other, ah, collectors feel the same as I do about a couple of trends in tickling videos. Here goes:

1. If you are selling an f/f (or ff/f or f/ff etc.) video that you produced, I applaud you. Your model costs doubled, and I hope you will recoup the costs by selling more than twice as many clips. But do you know what hurts your sales? The last sentence in your descriptions: "And then I come in and finish her off." Gents - if I wanted to see another man in a tickle vid, I would have bought one of your f/m titles. Seriously. Resist the urge. I know that you're nice looking guys, but you don't have a big fake rack and long fingernails. I don't want to see you, hear you, even sense you presence. If you must tickle your models (and I would too!) just do it after the shoot and don't include it in your final clip! I can't say how many times I have passed over an otherwise great-looking f/f clip because there's a dude in it.

2. Don't get crazy with the tickling props. Coincidentally, models come equipped with (arguably) the finest tickling gear ever known - fingers and fingernails. Don't burden them with battery operated gizmos that they'll fumble around with and don't work anyway. So - no handheld fans with feathers, no Dremel-type drills. Feathers are passable (barely). The problem is - when we consumers see a huge reaction by the ticklee from something we know just can't tickle - we know she's faking it. And if she's faking laughter when a rabbit's foot is pulled through her toes, she's probably faking the whole damn video.

3. Coach your models. As a producer of tickling videos, it's a fair assumption that you have some level of a tickle fetish yourself. So - pull your girls aside and give them a 5 minute primer on how to tickle someone. I don't want to single anyone out, but there's a guy out there who I KNOW does this, because all of his models have a similar technique. Or, at least a variation on the same technique. There was a major producer (back in the day) who would actually not hit the pause button when his model was doing something stupid like grabbing the girls foot and shaking it around like a spray paint can, or repeatedly tapping her finger on the ticklee's sternum (ouch). All producers should have this conversation with their models.

OK - that's it. Way too long, but I feel much better. Am I off-base? I'd be interested in hearing comments.

-H

 

[George Hull]

Yeah, it's amazing how many people appearing in tickle videos act like they've never tickled or even seen a person being tickled in their lives. I suppose many of you have seen the old CalStar Tied and Tickled #1, which stars "Pia Sands" (actually B movie queen Michelle Bauer of Hollywood Chainsaw Hookers). She's remarkably good in the video but the guy supposedly tickling her just flops his fingers limply over her like a handful of dead fish. At the end of the tape he and Michelle gang up another girl who's tied to a bed, and while the guy is doing his usual crappy job pretending to tickle, Michelle is REALLY going at her, tickling for all she's worth and clearly having a great time --- and at one point she actually turns to the guy and says "Come on, really tickle her!" Which he does, briefly, getting a nice response for just a second. I thought it interesting to hear an actress actually comment on tape how lame the guy's technique was!!!

 

[morgandee]

that's not a rant

mother fuck

i'd show you a rant

but i am busy buying webspace

nigga plz

 

[mart]

As a consumer of dozens of tickling clips, I thought it might be interesting to see if any other, ah, collectors feel the same as I do about a couple of trends in tickling videos. Here goes:

1. If you are selling an f/f (or ff/f or f/ff etc.) video that you produced, I applaud you. Your model costs doubled, and I hope you will recoup the costs by selling more than twice as many clips. But do you know what hurts your sales? The last sentence in your descriptions: "And then I come in and finish her off." Gents - if I wanted to see another man in a tickle vid, I would have bought one of your f/m titles. Seriously. Resist the urge. I know that you're nice looking guys, but you don't have a big fake rack and long fingernails. I don't want to see you, hear you, even sense you presence. If you must tickle your models (and I would too!) just do it after the shoot and don't include it in your final clip! I can't say how many times I have passed over an otherwise great-looking f/f clip because there's a dude in it.

2. Don't get crazy with the tickling props. Coincidentally, models come equipped with (arguably) the finest tickling gear ever known - fingers and fingernails. Don't burden them with battery operated gizmos that they'll fumble around with and don't work anyway. So - no handheld fans with feathers, no Dremel-type drills. Feathers are passable (barely). The problem is - when we consumers see a huge reaction by the ticklee from something we know just can't tickle - we know she's faking it. And if she's faking laughter when a rabbit's foot is pulled through her toes, she's probably faking the whole damn video.

3. Coach your models. As a producer of tickling videos, it's a fair assumption that you have some level of a tickle fetish yourself. So - pull your girls aside and give them a 5 minute primer on how to tickle someone. I don't want to single anyone out, but there's a guy out there who I KNOW does this, because all of his models have a similar technique. Or, at least a variation on the same technique. There was a major producer (back in the day) who would actually not hit the pause button when his model was doing something stupid like grabbing the girls foot and shaking it around like a spray paint can, or repeatedly tapping her finger on the ticklee's sternum (ouch). All producers should have this conversation with their models.

OK - that's it. Way too long, but I feel much better. Am I off-base? I'd be interested in hearing comments.

-H

Cool!!

You make some really good points and it is not the usual all-tickle-videos-are-boring kind of stuff. You pinpoint what I have also found frustrating in many clips I've seen. I don't mind M/F at all, but I can really echo the I-come-and-help-finish-her-off bit. "Helping" in all its forms is a turnoff for me.

Then there are those ticklers who are clearly passing the time till their session is over. You can tell because they move all about the body, giving a little nudge here, touching a foot briefly there, but so that you know that this can't really be ticklish.

Or the lee says, "not the feet." The tickler say's "Oh yes, the feet," does it for 2 seconds and then moves on to another spot. I mean, who are we kidding?

And then there is the question of the bondage that isn't. When the bonds are loose and the model is not even straining slightly against them, why bother with bondage. I find this an insult to the intelligence of the viewer. Surely the fake must be obvious to anyone!

 

[Yet_One_More_Idiot]

And then there is the question of the bondage that isn't. When the bonds are loose and the model is not even straining slightly against them, why bother with bondage. I find this an insult to the intelligence of the viewer. Surely the fake must be obvious to anyone!

Yes, in most cases the fakes are obvious to pretty much everybody.

And yet, they still manage to make money selling videos and dvds; why? Because no-one else is doing any better. All the people who really COULD do better (ie. the tickle fetishists, ie. US) are too busy ranting about people who can't do any better to do any better ourselves.

I know I for one will set up, the moment I get the time and the money to do so; and I'll try my damnest to show them how it should be done. Until then, though, I don't have the right to complain about the quality of the material available.

This is just my £0.02. 😎

 

[Kalamos]

that's not a rant
mother fuck
i'd show you a rant
but i am busy buying webspace
nigga plz

Lay San Andreas off you foo!

😉

 

[Kalamos]

BTW, old rant, same reasons.

Boils down to this: making movies requires money.
You need money for equipment.
You need money for models.
You need money for just everything.

Let's say you want to cut on some expenses.
You get a cheap camera.
Ppl complain cause film is blurry.

You get friends instead of actors.
Ppl complain cause they sound cheesy.

You get your sister instead of a model.
Ppl complain cause she looks "next door", while most "next door" models are superfit and real bombshells.

So, even if you turn a profit, some "kool dog" will rip your vids and share them over p2p.
And ppl will complain cause you never show up with freebies and new stuff.

You stop selling it, and you share your family clips with close friends.
The hell with kids and their complaints.

So, you want to make tickling vids, you need money to begin with.
Unless you inherit and waste your fortune on soft core stuff, you probably come from an established porno gig.

You already have models, maybe they are familiar with SMBD cause it was trendy back then, when you started reaping money.

Or you hire them, and you go for the nicest doll money can buy, since you basically want to please the average moron looking for oversized melons.

If you spend money on juicy melons, you won't care if they are TICKLISH melons, and you won't be paying double to really TORTURE them.

So, you stick with juicy, fairly ticklish, fairly cooperative melons, and throw in a mix of real and fake tickling.

Or... you spend a fortune on juicy, ticklish, masochistic melons, and suffer kids to share your great vid over p2p, cause it is too cool to let a producer turn a profit on that rocking video.

Real money is pimping models to fetishists, so they can tickle them.
But pimping is illegal, so you're out of luck.

Ask producers why some stopped filming full videos, and went for short clips.
They'll tell you: they are ripping us.

That's why most are sticking with juicy melons and vanilla sex over ticklish melons and fetish stuff.
It's widening your target, so you can cover more bases, and cater to a larger number of customers, thus making up for the loss from p2p sharing.

Now, *this* was a rant.

 

[laughingboy2000]

I need to agree with the bondage. I hate the videos I have been seeing where theres 5 feet of slack with the rope. Seriously producers, tie your models up and tie them up tight. I want it to be a struggle for them to even squirm.

 

[FIXLUNGS1]

I could not agree with you more! I hate it when some fucking bimbo has no idea how to tickle someone and the model is faking it! I also hate the bullshit tools that DONT work. Producers, knock the shit off and get some ticklish girls even if they are not as good looking. I have a lot of money and would spend so much more, but Im always afraid of the fake shit.

 

[Kalamos]

Now... since I read most producers DO film custom videos, I might suggest ppl overflooding with money to ask for one.

I mean it: give them a call, and fix things up. I am not paid to say this, but I remember Jeff of MTP's offering custom videos - and the last site I checked, Britney Sweetstink, was doing the same thing.

You can't stand the "rank-and-file" production, meant to appeal the average wanker?
Drop the prods a two-liner, and have a custom video, of your liking, filmed up just for you.

It would be a great way to fight p2p sharing off, since you'd be paying up before the thing is done, so there is no financial risk for them.
And you'd be getting just the thing you want, since it would be filmed to meet up with your expectations alone.

Just a random idea.

 

[Yet_One_More_Idiot]

Perhaps it would work if all tickle vids were made-to-order for the customers - would that be a financially viable long-term solution?

 

[Kalamos]

If you mean *all*, I think the answer is no.

For producers, *some* to *most* might work.

For customers... as long as you're a wealthy fat cat, and you can afford the money a custom video would require, you're in "bizniz".

Question is: how many of those cats are out there?
How many videos, realistically speaking, would they be willing to finance?

...

Good. Exactly my point.
Not too many.
Now you know why you have to put up with sex and tools in tickling flicks.

People with *big* money pay real models, so they'll show up at their flat/mansion/castle's doorstep, not just on their tv sets.

To be fair, I've seen new producers popping up, and old producers coming up with fresh ideas, so it's not that bad as Horatio said.

BUT if any of you can't just find quite the *right* stuff, and has money to waste on it, ordering something custom-made might work.

...

Again, it's all about expenses.

Many producers need a stable flow of money. I am assuming here, but I suppose hiring a model for a "one shot" session isn't financially viable for some.
Either you contact an agency, or you build up a "resident crew" of models.

So, with your regular team you rake up profits doing vanilla stuff. One size fits most, so to speak.
You throw in some sex, you put in some ropes and feather for the kink factor, and you can sell the tape as if it were regular porn.

But really, this scenario is outdated. Now tickling producers *start out* as tickling producers.
They don't just "turn fetish" to get a wider share of the market.

If you can provide them with the models, some might even film you doing the tickling - and you might get a share of the profits.

Again, financially viable? We should ask a real prod.
I am just making wild guesses.

 

[aenglish]

A few words regarding P2P:

I've downloaded music tracks over P2P. If I hear something I like, I'll buy it. Why? Because if it's something I really like, I want the original release, not some crappy MP3's of it. I also want the liner notes, etc. The only things I keep from P2P are things which cannot be had any other way (i.e. out-of-print stuff, unreleased stuff, etc.).

I realize that I'm the exception which proves the rule. Or am I? While the original Napster was going full steam, CD sales were UP by 4%. When the record industry got through killing off the old, free Napster, CD sales had DROPPED by almost half. P2P is a valuable research tool, especially for people without credit cards or Windoze XP (which you need in order to run Itunes).

Perhaps the ticklevid producers should copy a page from the commercial studios' playbook and include things that cannot be had with a cheesy on-line clip. Adult vids have the additional issue of people not wanting to be seen buying them, which doubtlessly aggravates the P2P issue. (Film director John Waters once remarked that the reason VCR's were so popular in the 80's was that people were too embarrassed to masturbate in public, i.e. in a porn theatre (remember those?)). I'm no businessman, but I think that making it as easy and as confidential (e.g. money orders for payment and not just credit cards) as possible for viewers to buy clips on DVD might help.

 

[cinnabar]

A few words regarding P2P:

I've downloaded music tracks over P2P. If I hear something I like, I'll buy it. Why? Because if it's something I really like, I want the original release, not some crappy MP3's of it. I also want the liner notes, etc. The only things I keep from P2P are things which cannot be had any other way (i.e. out-of-print stuff, unreleased stuff, etc.).

I realize that I'm the exception which proves the rule. Or am I? While the original Napster was going full steam, CD sales were UP by 4%. When the record industry got through killing off the old, free Napster, CD sales had DROPPED by almost half. P2P is a valuable research tool, especially for people without credit cards or Windoze XP (which you need in order to run Itunes).

Perhaps the ticklevid producers should copy a page from the commercial studios' playbook and include things that cannot be had with a cheesy on-line clip. Adult vids have the additional issue of people not wanting to be seen buying them, which doubtlessly aggravates the P2P issue. (Film director John Waters once remarked that the reason VCR's were so popular in the 80's was that people were too embarrassed to masturbate in public, i.e. in a porn theatre (remember those?)). I'm no businessman, but I think that making it as easy and as confidential (e.g. money orders for payment and not just credit cards) as possible for viewers to buy clips on DVD might help.

Like those DVD extras with behind the scenes footage, cast interviews, cut scenes, bloopers. Just like any standard DVD movie you find now. That sounds cool.

 

[indivision]

It kind of hits me the wrong way when they'll make a foot tickling scene and they'll only show a closeup of the ticklee's feet being tickled by the tickler. I don't know about anyone else, but I'd kind of like to see the ticklee's face and be able to watch her/his reactions.

Another thing that gets me is when the tickler tickles in spurts. You know, he or she will tickle the ticklee for no more than a few seconds at a time, stopping when the laughter starts getting strong. I don't want the person tickled nonstop until she or he passes out, but at least tickle for long enough on each spurt to allow for some good laughing/squirming to build up.

This is more of a personal taste thing, but I don't particularly care for videos where the tickling is overly casual. I mean, I don't necessarily like tickling that is absolutely torturous, but I would like to see it taken beyond the level of "goochy goo" *tickle tickle,* then the ticklee giggles a little while the tickler stops and laughs at the situation, then a little more mild tickling is applied....so on and so forth.

 

[nessonite1]

I agree with the first part, EF. I prefer wider shots to extreme closeups. Likewise I don't like when they cloeup on the face and show nothing of what's happening.

 

[Kalamos]

Problem with hard-contents as opposed to web-contents is privacy.
Users would rather keep private the fact they are buying porn. That's why web is the "perfect" medium to transfer porn contents.

Hard-contents move in the real world, through snail-mail, and perceived privacy is fairly low.
Web-contents move instantaneously, with no physical effort required. Plus, perceived privacy is much higher [even if it's a false sense of anonymity].

Shorter web clips appeal to users who favor ease of transfer and perceived privacy.
No mysterious packages, no bills, no postmen nosing around your stuff.

Of course, web clips cannot offer special contents, nor physical contents [such as leaflets or collectibles].
That's why it is so easy to share them over p2p: what you see is what you get, and what you get is the same stuff, whether you download it from the producer, or get it from p2p.

Protecting clips with codes or keywords would be feasible, but risky: most software protections are costly, and can usually be circumvented by computer savvy users.
On the other hand, they introduce "kinks" in an otherwise working clip - and even legal users might have tech issues with software protection.

Making a name, and creating a faithful host of users is a viable alternative.

 

[indivision]

I know this is an older thread, and if bumping old threads is frowned upon on this board, I apologize (just your run of the mill lurker/occasional poster, here ; ) ). But I do have some things I'd like to add to this.

First of all, why is the hogtie position so popular? I'm not really complaining, but I have to wonder why so many producers insist on having their ticklees hogtied to be tickled. Sure, it puts them in a good position for foot tickling, and you might have an okay shot at the person's lower sides, but other than that, I really don't see how it is a good tickling position. It seems like it would be quite awkward. In these videos, when the 'ler goes to tickle any area except for the feet or lower sides, it's awkward (or so it seems to me). I would think that having the person spread out on her back would make for a much better position. Then again, I'm probably speaking from personal preference on that one, because that is the position that I most like to see (heh). I also love to see the tickler straddled on top of the ticklee. Don't know why, but that usually gets it for me.

Also, why is there such a desire for all the weird costumes? I don't know about anyone else, but I don't particularly care to see a tickling video featuring women in strange leather costumes tickling each other. I personally find regular street clothes to be much more appealing. That way, it just seems more realistic. Then again, that's just my personal opinion, and I don't really expect everything to always be made to my liking. Maybe I'm just in the minority.

And yes, the whole "And then I come in to finish her off" is a real turnoff for me, too. In fact, the one that does that (if I'm thinking of the same one, that is) also has a video series that features him tickling his models while they are spread out on the bed. So why is there a need to contaminate the last few minutes of the other videos by "finishing her off" or "helping with the procedure?"

 

[sapphireglimmer]

Also, why is there such a desire for all the weird costumes? I don't know about anyone else, but I don't particularly care to see a tickling video featuring women in strange leather costumes tickling each other. I personally find regular street clothes to be much more appealing. That way, it just seems more realistic. Then again, that's just my personal opinion, and I don't really expect everything to always be made to my liking. Maybe I'm just in the minority.

YES! Stop doing that!

I'm like everyone else in this post. I'm sick and tired of the tools that just don't work. If I'm in a moment with one of these videos and see them break out the array of strange bullshit, I just get confused and there goes my high.

I'm not into bondage, strangely. I like tickling because it feels good on me and it's fun (especially as the playfulness of tickling and the sensation of tickling actually turns me on, not the sadism/masochism part). No one, at least on a regular basis, dresses like this during tickle wars or intimate tickling. So don't do that. I don't like seeing people being tied in strange positions; it seems awkward to me. Watching a girl or guy laying ontop of another girl, tickling her sides until she's blue in the face? Thumbs up for me. Contorted position with bad rope? Forget it.

And yes, the whole "And then I come in to finish her off" is a real turnoff for me, too. In fact, the one that does that (if I'm thinking of the same one, that is) also has a video series that features him tickling his models while they are spread out on the bed. So why is there a need to contaminate the last few minutes of the other videos by "finishing her off" or "helping with the procedure?"

This not only turns me off, but it actually angers me. I'm definately a female on female kind of person. Too much of the m/f I've seen has been all about the dominance and not about the tickling. I think I'm in the minority there. When the filmer comes in to "finish the job," I'm always like, "Who the fuck is this guy?" It ruins the video and whatever sliver of realism it once had. It just seems bizarre and the reason it angers me is because the other people, girl or guy, was doing a fine job before this guy jumps in, using his superior tickling skills (because why else would the filmer find it necessary to come in?) and do her good. The tickler can do that just fine. Film the movie. That's what you do.

And that's a rant, ladies and gents. 😉

 

[indivision]

I actually don't mind m/f tickling, but if I go for a f/f video, it's because I'm in the mood for f/f. I also tend to prefer one on one tickling as opposed to group or gang ticklings. I guess that's another reason why it's a turnoff for me.