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Modern music stealing from older songs.

That's why I don't much care for today's music. I stick with Metal, if anything they just remake the whole entire song. And it at least sounds like it, instead of some lame excuse for a remake.

I did enjoy Kid Rock's song, though. That was rather neat.
 
A topic I feel strongly about. Especially as a musician from a generation that GAVE us the creative backbone of today's rip-offs. It all goes to a complete lack of originality and a socitey that offers rewards for doing no work. We heap praise and toys and presents and accolades on people for doing nothing but standing on what others have already done.

Doing a cover is one thing. Ripping out basslines and pieces and shit is nothing but being fucking lazy and showing exactly how uncreative you really are. It's why 90% of today's music sucks.
 
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Heh...Puffy Combs built his entire career on ripping off others' music. It's sick and disgusting to me.

And speaking of bands that have been ripped off, like the few Annie posted above, compare Puddle of Mudd's "She Hates Me" to Suicidal Tendencies "I Saw Your Mommy". Complete rip-off.

And the worst is, these newer musicians will say it's not ripping off, it's a tribute to those bands. And I would call bullshit on that.
 
There is distinct difference between "coping" a riff and "sampling" one.
In the RIAA's book, I think it's 2 seconds before royalties apply.

As far as coping riffs, almost everyone is guilty to some extent.
Zeppelin was roundly criticized for ripping off old blues licks.

As for what Kid Rock did, I bet he had to pay some royalties. Those licks are note for note copies of very popular hooks. He has no originality.
 
That's been going on for years. The worst case was some fuckwit emo band called Sixpence None The Richer who did a cover of a song called There She Goes, which was originally done by a Liverpool band called The La's in the early 90's. The original was a decent tune, proper stripped down Liverpool indie music, whereas the Sixpence None The Richer cover was a load of old shite with emo overtones and some fucking warbly-voiced tart yapping the lyrics. Another one was a band called Kula Shaker who covered Deep Purple's "Hush", and for years I thought they were the original makers of said song until my mum (a massive Deep Purple fan) insisted I listen to their version. I told her the Kula Shaker one was better. She wouldn't speak to me for two days. The classiest example of "sampling" I've seen came from The Shamen, an old house group, who actually sampled the background music from stage 4-1 on Streets Of Rage 2 on a few tracks (SoR2 BGM: "Under Logic": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezfCD-xr9A4; The Shamen, "Ebeneezer Goode": http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=CvX-TNoZ6n0 how class is that? 😀)

Then there was Oasis who based most of their early career on ripping off The Beatles (listen to the start of Don't Look Back In Anger and compare it to the intro of John Lennon's Imagine) and The Jam (who in turn ripped off a lot of stuff from The Beatles and The Kinks), and, like, pretty much every hip hop "artist" since the dawn of hip hop itself. If I remember correctly the Sugar Hill Mob stole the track for "Rapper's Delight" from a Parliament song.

Yeah, it's always happened and always will.
 
CrystalLight said:
That's why I don't much care for today's music. I stick with Metal, if anything they just remake the whole entire song. And it at least sounds like it, instead of some lame excuse for a remake.

I did enjoy Kid Rock's song, though. That was rather neat.
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Alot of bands now a days and even in the early 90s were taking metal samples and putting them in rap\hip hop songs

for christs sake a slayer riff is in a public enemy song

artists are always borrowing music, 99% of the time they get the blessing of the original creator and they hash out money issues. Im not sure of ryalties but testament had a song "into the pit" and lamb of god had "laid to rest"
Then again, theres so much music thats been made, you are bound to have overlaps on riffs, or jags who blatantly steal

Then you get liars like coolio saying weird al takes music without permission and makes money
 
there are so many songs i definitely know i've heard before, but besides older songs there's even artists taking newer songs and redoing them (poorly) Kanye west - work it -_-

this is why the brunt of my music is stuff from the 80's or modern stuff from Europe
 
90% of hip hop is sampled. And it's gotten out of hand. That's why I listen to jazz, blues and soul only.
 
Pink has a song called "Feel Good Time"(it's on the Charlie's Angels 2 soundtrack) that fully borrows the tune "Fresh Garbage" from 60s band Spirit.
Actually both tunes are pretty cool, but I wonder if Pink fans have any idea who Spirit was?



Drew
 
It has always been common practice for musicians to copy a riff from some other band or musician that they really like. Sometimes it's done with minor modifications. Sometimes it's taken in whole. Sometimes it's even accidental or unconscious. If it gets too blatant then the musician who got ripped off sues the musician who did the ripping, but for the most part it's just an accepted practice of the industry. Some musicians even find it flattering.
 
It's actually more common than you think.

Most of Daft Punk's music is sampled from old 70s funk. They are one of the most respect artists in the industry.

-Xionking
 
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I've been noticing this a lot lately. I'll hear a song on the radio at work and notice that it sounds a lot like something on my iPod.

Everyone knows how Vanilla Ice stole the bass line from Queen and David Bowie's "Under Pressure."

But compare Fergie's "Clumsy" to Little Richard's "The Girl Can't Help It" or Will Smith's hit song "Wild Wild West" to Stevie Wonder's "I Wish."

Kid Rock recently came out with a song where he admits to mixing the melodies from "Sweet Home Alabama" by Lynyrd Skynyrd and "Werewolves of London" by Warren Zevon.

I would hope that the artists that these "musicians" are "borrowing" from are getting some kind of compensation, but I somehow doubt that.

What's even more frustrating is most of the kids listening to these songs, have never heard of the originals.
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To a large extent, I think it's just taking the easy way out. Artists that try to appeal to a diverse audiences largely write original music, where those that are trying very hard to be currently popular even if it's total crap find it easier to rip off other peoples' music. One that really disgusted me was U Can't Touch This by MC Hammer, which made him rich by stealing Rick James's Super Freak and just adding an adolescent rap.
Sampling is one of the worst things to ever happen to music.
 
It's called having little talent.

Anyone can take someone else's idea and add their own flare to it.

Only a truly creative mind can come up with something original.
 
I was channel surfing just now and came across the Ellen Degeneres show. I thought Lynyrd Skynyrd was alive again for a moment, until I saw Kid Rock's trailer trash, talentless ass on stage singing a song that he has no right to sing.

Ugh.
 
*Drops two cents into the 'opinion' jar

Alot of the examples I've read in this thread were 'legitimately' sampled, ie, the 'artist' asked for permission to use said guitar line/bassline/hook/whatev. Just because they can't do anything interesting with it, shouldn't disqualify the art of sampling entirely.

Negativland's No Business cd came with an interesting pamphlet arguing for the revamping of copyright law. The argument goes as this: songs started out as a solely folk-art phenomenon, passed down from person to person the way that stories or family recipes are. Their was no real ownership of a series of notes, it instead accepted that it became part of the cultural ether as soon as it was played, something that people should learn and re-perform. It was only until the invention of the musical record within the last century or so when musical appropriation became a liability and publishers became much more guarded over their 'property' and protecting their financial interests that copyright law really took off to cover re-performances of songs, licks, riffs, what have you.

Is it shitty that no-talent stooges can sample someone's work and make a profit? Yeah. But no matter how many times 'All Summer Long' is played on the radio, I still prefer 'Werewolves in London.' The era of music as a commercial enterprise has entered it's twilight, and I think Billboard and music charts will be having increasingly diminished importance as time goes on: it'll all be about the live performance here pretty soon, with any luck.

I agree that the majority of good music these days is not on the radio. I also believe that the mass accessibility of music these days is good - anyone can acquire the proper instruments and recording equipment to share their music with the world. Whether or not the majority of that music is good is another question, I just believe that it's high time that music become a cultural aspect again as oppose to a business venture.
 
As a remix artist, I'm only far too guilty of the accusation postulated in the thread title. See my myspace for more details. [/shameless plug]
 
AnnieHall said:
What's even more frustrating is most of the kids listening to these songs, have never heard of the originals.
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THAT is the worst part to me.

Not only becuase they don't know the original artist, but in many cases don't care.

And there are plenty of people who only know the here and now without knowing anything (or little) about past great artists.

It saddens me to think that an entire generation of people may grow up listening to the Jonas Bros, Lil Wayne, Eminem, Kid Rock or Miley Cyrus and never hear (or bother to listen to) Zeppelin, Hendrix, Ray Charles, Tupac, The Beatles or the array of other great artists over the last 50+ years.:sowrong:

I understand everyone has their own tastes, etc., but IMO growing up or living thinking Pink or 50 Cent is the GOAT just saddens me...:dropatear

I mean, seriously, play 'Fergie' and then play Aretha Franklin then come back and tell me who's better!
 
Both movie industries and music industries are running out of original, creative ideas. And when you have folks like Timbaland for example, running the music industry, then you don't have to be a rocket scientist to see how uncreative music has become.

-Xionking
 
And when you have folks like Timbaland for example, running the music industry, then you don't have to be a rocket scientist to see how uncreative music has become.
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Timbaland has some of the most original beats out their period. Proper genre attack, but wrong producer. Thats the reason almost everyone comes to Timbaland.

And while hip hop and R &B will always (particularly at TMF) take the brunt of the sampling/stealing argument...all genres borrow from previous genres and times on some level or another. Some are just more obvious than others.

My favorite band of all time is Zeppelin, but they ripped blues tracks left and right. In turn, almost every metal band ripped the Yardbirds, Zeppelin, etc. but added their own twist to it. You didnt really need to hear Kirk Hammett tell you Satriani gave him guitar lessons; you can hear the inlfuence when he plays.

And some people cover other people's shit because they think its a cool song. Hendrix covered some songs, notably Dylan's "All Along the Watch Tower." I wouldnt say he necessarily did it because he was talentless or couldnt play anything else.
 
Most of today's music is all the same. I, V, I, V etc... etc... As a proper musician the wonderful variety in chordal progressions is oh so exciting.

I do listen to popular though and there are some bands that are good. Anyone listen to Opeth, good stuff.
 
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