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the word
Some people certainly do need to be the center of attention, dont they. Most people I know who leave an online forum just leave. Then there are those who blare the trumpets so everybody knows and tells them to stay. I guess it fills their lack of self-esteem. The only reason anybody even cares about this is because Enny is hot. If she were ugly she wouldn't get 30 replies.
Some people certainly do need to be the center of attention, dont they. Most people I know who leave an online forum just leave. Then there are those who blare the trumpets so everybody knows and tells them to stay. I guess it fills their lack of self-esteem. The only reason anybody even cares about this is because Enny is hot. If she were ugly she wouldn't get 30 replies.
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You're wrong. Enny left an impression on people, before they ever sought her picture. The same could be said about a lot of people here. Thanks for your first post, though...
Re: the word
If Enny were an attention-seeker, she'd have more than 22 posts on this Forum. Personally I think the saddest and most pathetic of people around here are those who invent new on-screen personas purely for the purpose of being obnoxious and having a pop at someone, so others won't know who their ass is. ( Either that or all members with more than 7000 posts... OH BUGGER!!! 😡 )As for self-esteem, well I expect hers will go up after seeing your physical description of her. Maybe you aren't completely worthless around here after all.
themouth said:
If Enny were an attention-seeker, she'd have more than 22 posts on this Forum. Personally I think the saddest and most pathetic of people around here are those who invent new on-screen personas purely for the purpose of being obnoxious and having a pop at someone, so others won't know who their ass is. ( Either that or all members with more than 7000 posts... OH BUGGER!!! 😡 )As for self-esteem, well I expect hers will go up after seeing your physical description of her. Maybe you aren't completely worthless around here after all.
I was going to stay out of this...
but hey, it'll probably be fun to be the most hated person on the forum, and there are points that need to be raised and addressed here.
I am one of the people whom Enny is referring to when she says that she feels that she is being treated unfairly by certain members of the forum. Quite frankly, I feel she's blowing this whole thing way out of proportion; in the one year and eight months I have been a member of this forum (register date: 02-13-2002), I can only recall taking issue with something she's said a grand total of three times. That's right, three. I certainly don't follow her from thread to thread hounding her every step as she'd like have you believe... and once we take a trip down memory lane to examine just what I took offense to and why, I'll be very surprised if anyone thinks I didn't have a reason to speak up.
My first "experience" with Enny was in the chat room. My first time ever in the chat room, actually; I don't know *what* happened, but a couple folks were goofing around doing the cyber thing (myself included), and all of a sudden, she starts flipping out on me and calling me names. Welcome to the chat room, Phineas; random strangers will scream at you. I felt bad, so the next couple of times she logged in I tried to explain that, while I didn't know what I had done, I wanted to apologize. She blew me off rather than let me make amends, so I just let it slide.
Fast forward to... hmm, don't know exactly when. Several folks and I are sitting in the chat and discussing our love of Anime. All of al sudden Enny pipes up with, "Asians scare me. I think they're creepy."
* I should pause for a moment here to reflect on my perceptions that there is a definite prejudice against Asians here on the forum. People generalize, stereotype, joke about, and refer to them as though they're not even real people. I'm especially sensitive to such remarks as half of my family is Chinese. If I had said the same sort of thing about, say, Latinos, how fast do you think I would have been muted or kicked with a warning?
Anyway. I didn't throw a fit; I just made a comment that Asians are people just like anyone else, and if you took the time to get to know them as people, they really weren't much different than anyone else. Sound advice for anyone, I'd wager, as we're all supposed to embrace tolerance and open-mindedness around here.
Rather than just leave it at that, I was treated to a response along the lines of "I don't have to. They scare me and that's my opinion." Well, that got under my skin a little. I responded with the remark that it was a very narrow-minded view to hold and that she needed to get out more. I used to be "afraid" of people not like me until I started travelling, so I felt this wasn't an entirely inaccurate thing to suggest. Her reply? "I don't care what you think."
Any further comments were met with "whatever. It's my opinion and I don't care if you don't like it." so I let it drop.
(Issue #1, for those of you keeping tally.)
About... hmm, I think it was two weeks later, someone started a thread on what women thought of "foot guys". Being a foot guy, I kept an eye on that thread. Why not? 😀 Once again, Enny said something that rubbed me the wrong way and definitely could have come across as condescending. In summary: "I don't think they're all that great, and it's not like any of you will get to tickle them anyway."
I was still in a bad mood from the whole Asians incident. I made a snarky comment. It was wrong to do. I admit this.
(Issue #2. Several months have passed since this encounter.)
Recently, we had a thread on slim waists. I was already a little irritated with many of the responses to the original post; people were taking the opinion that you were either "voluptuous" or "anorexic". I was about to post a general comment along the lines of "it's fine if you want to express a preference other than the one held by the original poster, but kindly don't tear his down to do it." before I could, however, Enny made the following comment, not only pretty damn out there, but also, due to the wording, presented as fact:
This, of course, is nonsense. As I posted in response, I know a good number of women who fit those measurements and not a single one of them is "sick", "fake", or has had *any* surgery.
Enny's response, of course, was a high-and-mighty missive about how much I hate her and shouldn't "waste her time" with my "personal attacks" because "all I do is stereotype people".
This last one was funny. I told her to prove it. Naturally, it went un-proven... because she can't do it.
(Issue #3.)
After this, I received a page on YIM from Enny wanting to know why I "hated" her so much and went out of my way to attack her "all the time". This was news to me, since I *don't* hate her; I would hardly call strongly disagreeing with three poorly-thought-out assertations over the course of two years hatred. I've butted heads with some of the other folks here far more intensely than my spats with Enny and I don't hate any of them.
Regardless, I came under the impression she was really upset by my words and I felt it was necessary to put this misunderstanding to rest.
I PM'ed Enny with a fairly long response. I don't normally waste my time on huge messages so the fact that I sat down and wrote her a small novel should tell you that I felt setting things clear was important. I told her I did not have a problem with her personally (one of the things she said was, "you don't know me so you can't know what I really think"), but that I have taken issue with a number of things she's said in the past, things that, taken as a whole, have either offended me personally or could be construed as ignorant, such as asserting no woman could achieve that sort of figure without surgery when such a statement was easily disproven. I admitted that no, I did not know her, but how could I form a favorable opinion of her when every time we've conversed, she's thrown a fit over me disagreeing with some pretty badly-thought-out assertations?
I also said that honestly, I thought she was basically a good person, but she needed to think before she spoke because it made her look very immature.
Her response? I won't post the whole thing here, but it could be basically summed up as;
"I didn't do anything wrong, you attack me all the time, everyone says so."
"I was joking when I said I hated Asians, if you knew me personally you would have known that." (?!?!)
(tangent: "I don't care about you or your wife", was her reply when I told her I was very offended by her comments because of my family being the self-same people she was labelling as creepy)
* before we move on, here... assuming you accept my summary of the aforementioned comments as accurate, what, if anything, did she say that could have been taken as a joke? If it was a joke, even assuming such a joke isn't in poor taste, (again, "blacks scare me"; would I get away with saying this, even jokingly, around here?) wouldn't that be the first thing out of your mouth when someone criticizes you for this instead of "I don't care what you think, I'm allowed to feel that way?"
"I'm not immature, you need to open your eyes and accept that people have different opinions." (translation: "I know you are, but what am I?")
In other words, rather than attempt to address anything I'd said, or see it from my point of view, she just again asserted that she hadn't done anything, and that she was allowed to have an opinion. I was just cranky because I disagreed with it.
The next day, she posts her Goodbye Missive. Having attempted to enter into a discussion with Enny in an attempt to reach an understanding so that we might bury the hatchet, instead I had the olive branch (figuratively) shoved up my backside.
I don't really know how to react to all of this. Technically, all of the "socially maladjusted retard" remarks you all are heaping on "whoever it was" that made Enny cry are falling on my head. I don't know who *else* took issue with Enny or her conduct here, but I genuinely do not feel any of my comments were out of line, nor did my conduct constitute any sort of concentrated attack on the girl.
If anyone feels that I had no right to react as I did, say so now, because I truly have no idea how else to have handled any of it. (other than to ignore it, of course... but then that begs the question of, who is *truly* allowed to speak their mind around here, and who is allowed to take issue with it?)
I do apologize for causing her to leave... but if she's so fragile that she can't take the consequences of what she dishes out, and the rude(?) remarks of one individual speak louder than the obviously huge fan following she's got here, then perhaps it's better that way.
Of course, I fully expect everyone to start calling for my head after this. That's your right, and it will just mean that my suspicions are justified. I'd be happy to skip out on this community if you would all prefer to have Enny back. It's not like I've ever actually contributed around here.
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Phineas
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but hey, it'll probably be fun to be the most hated person on the forum, and there are points that need to be raised and addressed here.
I am one of the people whom Enny is referring to when she says that she feels that she is being treated unfairly by certain members of the forum. Quite frankly, I feel she's blowing this whole thing way out of proportion; in the one year and eight months I have been a member of this forum (register date: 02-13-2002), I can only recall taking issue with something she's said a grand total of three times. That's right, three. I certainly don't follow her from thread to thread hounding her every step as she'd like have you believe... and once we take a trip down memory lane to examine just what I took offense to and why, I'll be very surprised if anyone thinks I didn't have a reason to speak up.
My first "experience" with Enny was in the chat room. My first time ever in the chat room, actually; I don't know *what* happened, but a couple folks were goofing around doing the cyber thing (myself included), and all of a sudden, she starts flipping out on me and calling me names. Welcome to the chat room, Phineas; random strangers will scream at you. I felt bad, so the next couple of times she logged in I tried to explain that, while I didn't know what I had done, I wanted to apologize. She blew me off rather than let me make amends, so I just let it slide.
Fast forward to... hmm, don't know exactly when. Several folks and I are sitting in the chat and discussing our love of Anime. All of al sudden Enny pipes up with, "Asians scare me. I think they're creepy."
* I should pause for a moment here to reflect on my perceptions that there is a definite prejudice against Asians here on the forum. People generalize, stereotype, joke about, and refer to them as though they're not even real people. I'm especially sensitive to such remarks as half of my family is Chinese. If I had said the same sort of thing about, say, Latinos, how fast do you think I would have been muted or kicked with a warning?
Anyway. I didn't throw a fit; I just made a comment that Asians are people just like anyone else, and if you took the time to get to know them as people, they really weren't much different than anyone else. Sound advice for anyone, I'd wager, as we're all supposed to embrace tolerance and open-mindedness around here.
Rather than just leave it at that, I was treated to a response along the lines of "I don't have to. They scare me and that's my opinion." Well, that got under my skin a little. I responded with the remark that it was a very narrow-minded view to hold and that she needed to get out more. I used to be "afraid" of people not like me until I started travelling, so I felt this wasn't an entirely inaccurate thing to suggest. Her reply? "I don't care what you think."
Any further comments were met with "whatever. It's my opinion and I don't care if you don't like it." so I let it drop.
(Issue #1, for those of you keeping tally.)
About... hmm, I think it was two weeks later, someone started a thread on what women thought of "foot guys". Being a foot guy, I kept an eye on that thread. Why not? 😀 Once again, Enny said something that rubbed me the wrong way and definitely could have come across as condescending. In summary: "I don't think they're all that great, and it's not like any of you will get to tickle them anyway."
I was still in a bad mood from the whole Asians incident. I made a snarky comment. It was wrong to do. I admit this.
(Issue #2. Several months have passed since this encounter.)
Recently, we had a thread on slim waists. I was already a little irritated with many of the responses to the original post; people were taking the opinion that you were either "voluptuous" or "anorexic". I was about to post a general comment along the lines of "it's fine if you want to express a preference other than the one held by the original poster, but kindly don't tear his down to do it." before I could, however, Enny made the following comment, not only pretty damn out there, but also, due to the wording, presented as fact:
This, of course, is nonsense. As I posted in response, I know a good number of women who fit those measurements and not a single one of them is "sick", "fake", or has had *any* surgery.
Enny's response, of course, was a high-and-mighty missive about how much I hate her and shouldn't "waste her time" with my "personal attacks" because "all I do is stereotype people".
This last one was funny. I told her to prove it. Naturally, it went un-proven... because she can't do it.
(Issue #3.)
After this, I received a page on YIM from Enny wanting to know why I "hated" her so much and went out of my way to attack her "all the time". This was news to me, since I *don't* hate her; I would hardly call strongly disagreeing with three poorly-thought-out assertations over the course of two years hatred. I've butted heads with some of the other folks here far more intensely than my spats with Enny and I don't hate any of them.
Regardless, I came under the impression she was really upset by my words and I felt it was necessary to put this misunderstanding to rest.
I PM'ed Enny with a fairly long response. I don't normally waste my time on huge messages so the fact that I sat down and wrote her a small novel should tell you that I felt setting things clear was important. I told her I did not have a problem with her personally (one of the things she said was, "you don't know me so you can't know what I really think"), but that I have taken issue with a number of things she's said in the past, things that, taken as a whole, have either offended me personally or could be construed as ignorant, such as asserting no woman could achieve that sort of figure without surgery when such a statement was easily disproven. I admitted that no, I did not know her, but how could I form a favorable opinion of her when every time we've conversed, she's thrown a fit over me disagreeing with some pretty badly-thought-out assertations?
I also said that honestly, I thought she was basically a good person, but she needed to think before she spoke because it made her look very immature.
Her response? I won't post the whole thing here, but it could be basically summed up as;
"I didn't do anything wrong, you attack me all the time, everyone says so."
"I was joking when I said I hated Asians, if you knew me personally you would have known that." (?!?!)
(tangent: "I don't care about you or your wife", was her reply when I told her I was very offended by her comments because of my family being the self-same people she was labelling as creepy)
* before we move on, here... assuming you accept my summary of the aforementioned comments as accurate, what, if anything, did she say that could have been taken as a joke? If it was a joke, even assuming such a joke isn't in poor taste, (again, "blacks scare me"; would I get away with saying this, even jokingly, around here?) wouldn't that be the first thing out of your mouth when someone criticizes you for this instead of "I don't care what you think, I'm allowed to feel that way?"
"I'm not immature, you need to open your eyes and accept that people have different opinions." (translation: "I know you are, but what am I?")
In other words, rather than attempt to address anything I'd said, or see it from my point of view, she just again asserted that she hadn't done anything, and that she was allowed to have an opinion. I was just cranky because I disagreed with it.
The next day, she posts her Goodbye Missive. Having attempted to enter into a discussion with Enny in an attempt to reach an understanding so that we might bury the hatchet, instead I had the olive branch (figuratively) shoved up my backside.
I don't really know how to react to all of this. Technically, all of the "socially maladjusted retard" remarks you all are heaping on "whoever it was" that made Enny cry are falling on my head. I don't know who *else* took issue with Enny or her conduct here, but I genuinely do not feel any of my comments were out of line, nor did my conduct constitute any sort of concentrated attack on the girl.
If anyone feels that I had no right to react as I did, say so now, because I truly have no idea how else to have handled any of it. (other than to ignore it, of course... but then that begs the question of, who is *truly* allowed to speak their mind around here, and who is allowed to take issue with it?)
I do apologize for causing her to leave... but if she's so fragile that she can't take the consequences of what she dishes out, and the rude(?) remarks of one individual speak louder than the obviously huge fan following she's got here, then perhaps it's better that way.
Of course, I fully expect everyone to start calling for my head after this. That's your right, and it will just mean that my suspicions are justified. I'd be happy to skip out on this community if you would all prefer to have Enny back. It's not like I've ever actually contributed around here.
regards,
Phineas
Evil Ogre at Large
Though some may disagree, I think Phineas did an excellent job in relaying his side of the story without malice or insult. Though I am quite fond of Enny and always have been, the things Phineas quotes her as saying sound just like her to me. Enny is very young, and somewhat emotionally unstable. She's what many refer to as "high maintenance." For this reason, I've overlooked her oftime abrasive manner. However, after hearing how she has treated Phineas, and God knows how many others the same way, I'm not altogether inclined to show her the same patience I have in the past. It's her choice to leave, but that also speaks of an unwillingness to accept accountability, in my opinion. Enny needs some tough love to snap her out of this current tantrum she's throwing.
Let me just say here that no one "causes" another to leave a forum of this type. Those of us that do leave do so because of what is inside of us.
I do not like to see anyone leave because of bad feelings, but sometimes it is for the best that we take a break, pull our feelings together, and perhaps return another time.
It is very easy to take something that someone says the wrong way when one cannot see the face or hear the voice of the person saying it. What is meant by the person is often lost in the written word and taken as a "personal" attack.
If somone is uncomfortable, they should ask what the other person meant. (unless of course blatant name calling and harrassment have occurred...not so in this case from what I have seen)
We have lost several members due to the misunderstanding of things that were written. This saddens me. That is why I feel we should all take the time to "think before we post" instead of typing the first thing that pops into our heads sometimes.
Ven
I do not like to see anyone leave because of bad feelings, but sometimes it is for the best that we take a break, pull our feelings together, and perhaps return another time.
It is very easy to take something that someone says the wrong way when one cannot see the face or hear the voice of the person saying it. What is meant by the person is often lost in the written word and taken as a "personal" attack.
If somone is uncomfortable, they should ask what the other person meant. (unless of course blatant name calling and harrassment have occurred...not so in this case from what I have seen)
We have lost several members due to the misunderstanding of things that were written. This saddens me. That is why I feel we should all take the time to "think before we post" instead of typing the first thing that pops into our heads sometimes.
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Why does anyone care...
if this person leaves??? Sounds like a good move for her. Life goes on, and writing so much about how much she'll be missed seems asinine.
This is a forum on tickling, for god's sake. Let's lighten up, and say see ya' to this Enny chick. Don't let the door hit ya on the way out!
if this person leaves??? Sounds like a good move for her. Life goes on, and writing so much about how much she'll be missed seems asinine.
This is a forum on tickling, for god's sake. Let's lighten up, and say see ya' to this Enny chick. Don't let the door hit ya on the way out!
Well Done Well Done! I agree 100% Phineas , Drew , Venray & Footman. This is a forum on Tickling & open discussion. ..But Enny went overboard at times & her comments made me "wonder". We had an innocent conversation a while back & she Blew up over nothing & ended it by saying she was glad they Blew up The World Trade Center. I never bothered with Her again.....
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I always knew that Enny was extremely emotionally immature but her "world trade center" comment just stuns me. It's interesting that I got banned from the chatroom for a few snide comments while she would tear apart anyone she felt like at will and was never touched. My theory is that the male Mods are so desperate to talk to any female with a pulse that they would simply overlook such things, but that's just one man's opinion. 
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I don't know Enny, nor have I ever communicated with her.
But I feel the need to state that anyone who is happy that the World Trade Center got blown up needs a good stiff kick in the face.
If she truly made this statement, then good riddance!
Venray said it best with "Those of us that do leave do so because of what is inside of us."
One of the biggest drawbacks to the tickling community, in my opinion, is the fact that everytime a new woman comes onto the scene, she is hammered by responses from the horny pack of hounds. This presents opportunities for girls who don't get much attention in the real world to come here and get that attention that they so much crave.
Quote from Drew70 "She's what many refer to as 'high maintenance'."
Another Drew quote "It's her choice to leave, but that also speaks of an unwillingness to accept accountability, in my opinion. Enny needs some tough love to snap her out of this current tantrum she's throwing."
Both of his points hit the nail on the head.
I could go on and on about my anger about these WTC remarks, but it would be a waste of time. If Enny conducts herself in the real world in the same manner as her internet persona, then I'd say she leads a miserable existance.
There is nothing more empty than a person who is full of themselves. I have seen many "high maintnance" people try to succeed in the corporate world, and they've all failed miserably. They could never take the focus off of themselves and direct it towards the things in life that need to be done.
If Enny had any friends that perished in the Trade Center I don't think she would have made such an ignorant remark.
Good Riddance.
But I feel the need to state that anyone who is happy that the World Trade Center got blown up needs a good stiff kick in the face.
If she truly made this statement, then good riddance!
Venray said it best with "Those of us that do leave do so because of what is inside of us."
One of the biggest drawbacks to the tickling community, in my opinion, is the fact that everytime a new woman comes onto the scene, she is hammered by responses from the horny pack of hounds. This presents opportunities for girls who don't get much attention in the real world to come here and get that attention that they so much crave.
Quote from Drew70 "She's what many refer to as 'high maintenance'."
Another Drew quote "It's her choice to leave, but that also speaks of an unwillingness to accept accountability, in my opinion. Enny needs some tough love to snap her out of this current tantrum she's throwing."
Both of his points hit the nail on the head.
I could go on and on about my anger about these WTC remarks, but it would be a waste of time. If Enny conducts herself in the real world in the same manner as her internet persona, then I'd say she leads a miserable existance.
There is nothing more empty than a person who is full of themselves. I have seen many "high maintnance" people try to succeed in the corporate world, and they've all failed miserably. They could never take the focus off of themselves and direct it towards the things in life that need to be done.
If Enny had any friends that perished in the Trade Center I don't think she would have made such an ignorant remark.
Good Riddance.
Boy has this thread taken a new turn😱 ! This is the TMF where everyone who has an opinion should be able to share it. Having said that, this is not a forum where anything of a prejudical nature should be expressed. If it is, then accept the consequences of offending a lot of people. I did previously post because I initially thought that this young lady was being attacked and maliciously picked on. After reading subsequent posts, maybe Enny has brought some of this on herself.
I do agree with those that expressed that if she chooses to leave, then just leave. Time out for the mellodrama . The rest of us have had people comment to our posts that we didn't like. You don't see us complaining and leaving. Besides, the earth will still turn on its axis, the sun will still rise and set whether I post to this forum or not.
By the way, if those comments regarding the WTC were true, she should be ashamed of herself!!!!
Everyone who died and survived suffered needlessly because someone didn't agree with the way America does things. It wasn't worth it then, nor is it worth faceless, spineless, thoughtless, careless commentary now!
I've given my opinion. That and 50cents might get you a cup of coffee in today's economy😉
I do agree with those that expressed that if she chooses to leave, then just leave. Time out for the mellodrama
. The rest of us have had people comment to our posts that we didn't like. You don't see us complaining and leaving. Besides, the earth will still turn on its axis, the sun will still rise and set whether I post to this forum or not.By the way, if those comments regarding the WTC were true, she should be ashamed of herself!!!!
Everyone who died and survived suffered needlessly because someone didn't agree with the way America does things. It wasn't worth it then, nor is it worth faceless, spineless, thoughtless, careless commentary now!I've given my opinion. That and 50cents might get you a cup of coffee in today's economy😉
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venray1 said:
All i've ever said to Enny is that she looked pretty fit in her picture. From what I've heard of her though, she sounds like she's just a kid. I would be surprised if she left. She just needs to feel wanted. That's why she spends time on an internet chatroom where old men drool over her. If you do leave though Enny, good for you. You'll grow up alot better/faster in real life, and you'll look back on this and laugh one day...
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Can you feel the love?
Go and get some friends Enny. It's a hundred times better.lite said:
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I don't think half the time she is even aware of what she is saying. One time I was on Yahoo with her, and I couldn't even follow her conversation, which was alternately loving, and threatening with physical violence against people on the board, real or imagined, who were assailing her...it was when I realized that the problems this girl has cannot be reasoned or solved by ANY of us here...unless one of us has been through years of schooling in emotional therapy and has Ph.D after his or her name. It's really beyond our scope. I sincerely hope that Enny does get the help she needs; there were indications that she was certainly capable of having a lively, intelligent interaction. I'm not holding my breath.
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Re: Re: Re: the word
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Johnny come lately says"WOW" and that folks is the last word stay tuned for next weeks episode in which the whole idea of the "thread" is called immoral..here on your Fox station!
Rock on Spiccolli!
Ron 😎
Rock on Spiccolli!
Ron 😎
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Why Leave Enny this is all through a PC
WHAT in the world girl,it's all in a computer you don't see these people,you can cut them off,you don't have to chat with them,So why the Drama in leaving?shoot stay and lets have a good time.I'd never let someone run me of from MY computer - Remember this is more or less a fantasy here, Don't take this place that serious!!
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WHAT in the world girl,it's all in a computer you don't see these people,you can cut them off,you don't have to chat with them,So why the Drama in leaving?shoot stay and lets have a good time.I'd never let someone run me of from MY computer - Remember this is more or less a fantasy here, Don't take this place that serious!!
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