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New Pants for my New Toy

By the way, a police officer has every right to stop and question you for carrying a weapon. No, if you have a permit to carry, you shouldn't be disarmed but if someone sees you walking around with a gun and therefore calls the cops because there's a guy walking around the store with a gun, yeah, he does have the right to question. It's his/or her duty to ensure the safety of the public.

No, actually, you're wrong.

A police officer has no right to stop and question ANY citizen without RAS (reasonable articulable suspicion) that criminal activity is afoot. Without any type of reasonable suspicion which the police officer can explain using the English language, the detainment, arrest, or confiscation of ANYTHING a citizen who is going about his lawful business has, is not only illegal, but prosecutable. Disarming a citizen without RAS is a violation of 2nd amendment rights, and the simple act of detaining (when the citizen asks "Am I free to go" and is answered with anything other than "Yes") someone is "unreasonable detention."

For more information, see the PAFOA (Pennsylvania Firearms Owner's Association links here, here, and here regarding the various laws about carrying weapons both concealed and openly in Pennsylvania.

If you would like to dispute this, please cite your sources.
 
No, actually, you're wrong.

A police officer has no right to stop and question ANY citizen without RAS (reasonable articulable suspicion) that criminal activity is afoot. Without any type of reasonable suspicion which the police officer can explain using the English language, the detainment, arrest, or confiscation of ANYTHING a citizen who is going about his lawful business has, is not only illegal, but prosecutable. Disarming a citizen without RAS is a violation of 2nd amendment rights, and the simple act of detaining (when the citizen asks "Am I free to go" and is answered with anything other than "Yes") someone is "unreasonable detention."

If you would like to dispute this, please cite your sources.

That doesn't make sense. So anybody can walk around with a gun, someone can call the cops because well, someone is walking around with a deadly weapon, and that person can't be question or asked for a permit and they're to assume that this person has a license? I never said anything about disarming btw.

Oh well. Everyone has opinions. And no, I'm not jumping down anyone's throat. I'm just asking questions is all. To each their own. Good luck with your new gun.
 
That doesn't make sense. So anybody can walk around with a gun, someone can call the cops because well, someone is walking around with a deadly weapon, and that person can't be question or asked for a permit and they're to assume that this person has a license? I never said anything about disarming btw.

Oh well. Everyone has opinions. And no, I'm not jumping down anyone's throat. I'm just asking questions is all. To each their own. Good luck with your new gun.

It is every Pennsylvania Citizen's right, who is over the age of 18 years and is not otherwise prohibited from legally carrying a weapon, who has a valid LTCF (License To Carry Firearms), to wake up, strap on their gun, openly to their hip or concealed, and go about their daily business. They may go anywhere they like at any time except onto restricted grounds such as govermental or federal buildings or private property where that person knows or it is posted that guns are not allowed on premises. They MAY NOT be stopped or arrested by any law enforcement officer for ANY REASON other than with reasonable articulable suspicion of criminal activity being committed by said person. The simple act of openly carrying a weapon in a place for all to see IS NOT illegal in any way as long as the person in question is not threatening anyone with it.

Thanks for the well wishes.
 
Ann - you know I love ya, and you are damned right the Ass was a mistake...lemme go fix that right now...lol

LOL Even if it had been a jab, we all get hot at times. No worries. 😉

For the most part? They should ONLY be using them to save innocent lives, and to train and get better at using them.

I find the whole idea of being issued a weapon, then not taking the time and effort to go and train with it consistently, to be irresponsible.

I totally agree on this point. It's my only hesitation with the general populace carrying...or insufficiently trained officers. So many people think that just having a weapon will protect them. I liken it to someone installing a security system and never turning it on. If you don't know how to use it, you're potentially doing more harm than good because you have a false sense of security.

Some of those who own weapons have the wrong type of attitude. They aren't at all prepared for the reality of it. Too often, they panic and injure or kill someone who isn't a threat. Or, it blows apart in their hand because it wasn't properly cared for. If they aren't going to learn proper use and care, they shouldn't have it.

If there's any changes to our gun laws, one of them should be a requirement to take lessons before owning one of our own.
 
I am in 100% agreement, Ass, I mean, Ann.

This is why I am in the process of taking multiple weapons safety courses, proper firearm handling and care classes, and seminars about all the local gun laws and everything related to them. I am hoping to not become one of those who is about as well trained as the local cops, because that's not acceptable to me.

For those who are not aware, Vermont has a very liberal gun policy - anyone over the age of eighteen may purchase and carry, concealed or openly, a handgun without needed a license of any kind. Also, Vermont is in the top 5 states in the US for lowest crime rates of a violent nature. Just throwing it out there. Texas is not a shining example, but there are always exceptions to these kinds of things.
 
annnndddd....back to the actual topic lol

dude, i think the grips look sweet and you did an aesome job. i don't think i i could or would do something like that to my H&K. i just love it all blacked out 🙂 i've actually never shot rugers before but held them and, to me, they seem a bit heavy. have you shot, handled or prefer any other maker besides ruger? not that there's anything wrong with rugers, they just feel a little heavy for me. anyway, they look awesome dude. nice job! can't wait to see the new ones that you get and what you do to them!
 
I take it you will be carrying a gun around at NEST?? If so, I need to re-think this whole gathering thing.:ermm:
 
PM sent, Bella.

I feel that your response to this thread is inappropriate and off-topic, and calls into question my character and reputation, which I take to be very personally offensive. I feel as though this concern of yours would have much better been handled had it been sent to me as a private message to begin with. The quote you posted from me above was an explanation as to why I painted my grips the way I did, not an opening into a discussion of how sane I am or why you think I am compensating for something, which, as you well know, I am not.

I love you too, Bella, but, as you said, WTF.


PM replied to. Meanwhile, I don't feel that my response was off-topic in the least because you're the OP and it was in direct response to one your posts, which again was one of the more unsettling and alarming posts I've read. If you publicly discuss carrying a weapon in a place like Wal-Mart (?) and being proud that people will know you have it (??), it's going to be responded to in public and yes, your rationale might be questioned; people are going to read this and wonder about being around you.
 
annnndddd....back to the actual topic lol

dude, i think the grips look sweet and you did an aesome job. i don't think i i could or would do something like that to my H&K. i just love it all blacked out 🙂 i've actually never shot rugers before but held them and, to me, they seem a bit heavy. have you shot, handled or prefer any other maker besides ruger? not that there's anything wrong with rugers, they just feel a little heavy for me. anyway, they look awesome dude. nice job! can't wait to see the new ones that you get and what you do to them!

Thanks!

I've really only shot this P85. I took it to the range a couple times and have put a couple hundred rounds through it, so I feel pretty comfortable with the kick and handling. It is a bit on the heavy side, so I imagine I only have easier paths from here, lol.

I take it you will be carrying a gun around at NEST?? If so, I need to re-think this whole gathering thing.:ermm:

I would prefer to carry it. However, out of respect for people like you who seem to be a bit paranoid, I'll not be having it around the event.

PM replied to. Meanwhile, I don't feel that my response was off-topic in the least because you're the OP and it was in direct response to one your posts, which again was one of the more unsettling and alarming posts I've read. If you publicly discuss carrying a weapon in a place like Wal-Mart (?) and being proud that people will know you have it (??), it's going to be responded to in public and yes, your rationale might be questioned; people are going to read this and wonder about being around you.

Yeah, because I am known for being a raving lunatic that is a danger to society... 🙄

What alarms me is the level of knee-jerk paranoia that so many people have about guns, as if they are these evil, terrible creations that sprout legs and go around causing violence wherever they go, lol. Guns are a tool, not unlike a screwdriver, they have a time and a place, just are much less useful until you need one.
 
I don't feel comfortable being around sheep who naievely go about their lives as if nothing bad will ever happen to them. You call it crazy, I call it being prepared.

If you think I'm crazy or irresponsible, so be it - I just find you (a general term, not you in particular, true as it may be) to be ignorant and judgmental.

Oh yeah, now I see. Because taking a gun to Wal-Mart is a perfectly normal thing to do.

Playing the ol' "ignorant and judgmental" card, eh? It's a classic.
Especially when others beliefs don't exactly line up with yours. We're all crazy for not being cool with some guy carrying around a loaded firearm in plain view like he's Remington fucking Steele.

Everyone's fucked up except for you.

Don't stop believin', buddy.
 
Mommy never taught you what sarcasm means, I see.

And yes, it is a perfectly normal thing to do.

It's not about being cool. It's not about who's crazy and who isn't (as far as non-violent people are concerned). For me, it's about being prepared for a situation in which my life may be threatened. If other choose not to be prepared, so be it. That's their choice.
 
Mark, Christina brought this thread to my attention, and reading it, I think I’ll share my thoughts...

I don’t carry -- you know that. But I’ve grown up around a lot of wise folks who do, who are indeed the calm, level-headed and safe sort. And to my knowledge, not a one of them carries openly on a regular basis, they would never do so as near to Philly as you are, and I can’t imagine any of them doing so at all except in very specific and restricted circumstances, or when among friends when they’re going out target shooting. They have a lot more experience with carrying than I do, and I can’t help but think there is some wisdom in the pattern I’ve seen.

Now, I haven’t had a conversation with them about open carrying, so I can’t tell you exactly what they’d say. But having grown up with them, I think I can offer a fair facsimile:

1. In the event of a crime taking place, you do not want to have previously advertised that you have a gun. You are placing a target on yourself. You want to remain an unknown quantity so if something goes down, you have the most freedom (under the least suspicion by a criminal) in which to act.

2. Regardless of the law, by carrying openly you will have singled yourself out for additional undesirable attention from law enforcement, and will very likely increase your number of undesirable interactions with them. Police are humans governed by what their experiences and biases tell them, right or wrong, often despite the law. Cite the law all you like, but you will have created for yourself your own version of “driving while black” -- only with firearms in the mix. Not a good idea, even for the most patient and law-abiding of men.

3. God forbid both these things happen at the same time, and you find yourself becoming the distraction for a police officer in the course of a crime taking place. In such a high tension environment, there are too many unpleasant possible outcomes. Even more if it’s a less well trained and less discriminating armed shop clerk under similar tension.

4. Becoming known as the good guy with a gun sounds nice, but it also disproportionately places responsibility on you. In the event of a real crime, if the victim knows you’re around, they may well offer little response themselves, instead expecting you to handle things -- ‘cause hey, you’re the guy with the gun. With this assumption in place it may well limit your options on when and how to act.


What I’ll offer additionally is based on my own personal experience with adjudicated youth, some of whom, despite the best efforts of many people, will wind up committing crimes, some of them violent. And I think it speaks straight to the premise of gun possession as a deterrent:

5. Some people may be intimidated by the site of a gun, but far from all. The people I’ve worked with largely will not see a gun in the open (especially one with a flashy red handle) as a threat or deterrent so much as a challenge or trophy, and if they’re casing a place in preparation to rob when without a handgun of their own, the one displayed prominently on your hip will be the first thing they go for. If they were to see you around town regularly with it, they would create a plan to get it. I’ve had more than enough clients who have no sense of personal boundaries and whose first instinct is to “run up in your pockets”. They’ll see that gun, and the moment they think your attention is or can be directed elsewhere, they’ll go for it. Some people are very good at this.

What do you think is the first thing they'll do once they've got it?

This being the case, in order to carry it safely while open, your holster would have to be very secure. The more secure and difficult it is to remove from the holster, the longer it will take for even you to remove it. Since they’ll have already seen it (because that’s your stated intent) the longer a potential criminal will have to counter -- to stop you, or if they do have a gun, to shoot you first.

In short, in your effort to offer yourself as a deterrent to crime by carrying openly (the efficacy of which is tenuous at best) you are dramatically increasing the likelihood of being singled out by police for unwanted attention. And in a real crime situation you are guaranteeing the loss of the element of surprise, and worse, dramatically increasing the likelihood of someone making an attempt at theft and/or an attempt on your life.

By my measure, you are seriously (perhaps dangerously) handicapping yourself by carrying openly (indeed brazenly), and for less potential benefit than imagined. And however much you may be able to ameliorate at least one problem somewhat with a reliable secure holster, these headaches are all largely avoided if you simply carry concealed.

I have faith that you’ll give serious consideration to my reasoning. There’s one more concern I have in mind, that I’d like to address here, but I’ll see if I can get to that this evening, as it would take more writing at length to properly address.

Give this all some thought, please, Mark, and I’ll be back later with a final thought.
 
Capn, I greatly value your input. I will address each of your points with my own point of view and what I have learned in my extensive research over the past several months. Please excuse me if, on some point, my knowledge is lacking regarding the specific point you make.

Mark, Christina brought this thread to my attention, and reading it, I think I’ll share my thoughts...

I don’t carry -- you know that. But I’ve grown up around a lot of wise folks who do, who are indeed the calm, level-headed and safe sort. And to my knowledge, not a one of them carries openly on a regular basis, they would never do so as near to Philly as you are, and I can’t imagine any of them doing so at all except in very specific and restricted circumstances, or when among friends when they’re going out target shooting. They have a lot more experience with carrying than I do, and I can’t help but think there is some wisdom in the pattern I’ve seen.

Now, I haven’t had a conversation with them about open carrying, so I can’t tell you exactly what they’d say. But having grown up with them, I think I can offer a fair facsimile:

1. In the event of a crime taking place, you do not want to have previously advertised that you have a gun. You are placing a target on yourself. You want to remain an unknown quantity so if something goes down, you have the most freedom (under the least suspicion by a criminal) in which to act.

As far as I know (and I have been researching this for a long timer, as mentioned above), there has never once been a shooting or other violent crime reported in which an OCer (open carrier) was specifically targeted because he was carrying. The kids you work with may be all bad-ass with their friend and with their rival gang members, but those are people they know, either as enemies or friends. Obviously I cannot speak for them nor would I say anything that would go against your experience given your field of work, but as I said, I have yet to hear of a single account in which and OCer was taken out because he was OCing - yet I have heard several cases in which the criminal went somewhere else to rob or hold up the joint because there was less resistance there.

2. Regardless of the law, by carrying openly you will have singled yourself out for additional undesirable attention from law enforcement, and will very likely increase your number of undesirable interactions with them. Police are humans governed by what their experiences and biases tell them, right or wrong, often despite the law. Cite the law all you like, but you will have created for yourself your own version of “driving while black” -- only with firearms in the mix. Not a good idea, even for the most patient and law-abiding of men.

This is a scenario that I have accepted is going to happen at some point. I am ready for something like this to happen, and I am prepared to take responsibility for my choice of carrying should this event come to pass. However, something of note related to this concern - just twenty minutes ago, walking home from the pharmacy to get a script filled (which didn't work out because my insurance company is a goddamned mongolian clusterfuck), a township police cruise drove right past me, within fifteen feet of my person. My gun was openly displayed on my left side, in clear and plain view of the officer driving the vehicle. I KNOW he saw it - all police officers driving that slow are trained to check out people they pass by - but he continued on his merry way and made a right turn into the police department's parking lot, a hundred yards up the road.

3. God forbid both these things happen at the same time, and you find yourself becoming the distraction for a police officer in the course of a crime taking place. In such a high tension environment, there are too many unpleasant possible outcomes. Even more if it’s a less well trained and less discriminating armed shop clerk under similar tension.

Again, this is something I am sufficiently certain I am prepared to accept responsibility for. Though these events may be out of my control, I feel that, having made the choice to open carry, I have accepted that at some point, something bad is going to happen and I am going to get looked at. However, I am also sure that, given time, the facts will show themselves and I will be proven to not have been the wrongdoer, and sent on my way, as much time as it may take.

4. Becoming known as the good guy with a gun sounds nice, but it also disproportionately places responsibility on you. In the event of a real crime, if the victim knows you’re around, they may well offer little response themselves, instead expecting you to handle things -- ‘cause hey, you’re the guy with the gun. With this assumption in place it may well limit your options on when and how to act.

Again, as stated above, I am prepared for that responsibility. If I didn't feel comfortable with taking charge of a situation, I wouldn't have even bought a gun in the first place.

What I’ll offer additionally is based on my own personal experience with adjudicated youth, some of whom, despite the best efforts of many people, will wind up committing crimes, some of them violent. And I think it speaks straight to the premise of gun possession as a deterrent:

5. Some people may be intimidated by the site of a gun, but far from all. The people I’ve worked with largely will not see a gun in the open (especially one with a flashy red handle) as a threat or deterrent so much as a challenge or trophy, and if they’re casing a place in preparation to rob when without a handgun of their own, the one displayed prominently on your hip will be the first thing they go for. If they were to see you around town regularly with it, they would create a plan to get it. I’ve had more than enough clients who have no sense of personal boundaries and whose first instinct is to “run up in your pockets”. They’ll see that gun, and the moment they think your attention is or can be directed elsewhere, they’ll go for it. Some people are very good at this.

This may be true, but situational awareness is a very important tactic that I have also been studying. Remaining aware of my surroundings and the people that are within "striking distance," so to speak, is of paramount importance when one takes on the responsibility of carrying a weapon, especially when wearing it openly. This morning, I went into Philadelphia proper (10th and Walnut, specifically) via train and spent some time on the street of the city on my way to my destination, as well as on the way back to the station. The entire time, my efforts were directed towards making eye contact with those around me and knowing who was behind me and at what distance. Self-awareness is the best way to keep out of distracting situations.

I can't say I'll never make a mistake, Captain, and it may well cost me dearly, so you are correct. However, that's what training classes are for.

This being the case, in order to carry it safely while open, your holster would have to be very secure. The more secure and difficult it is to remove from the holster, the longer it will take for even you to remove it. Since they’ll have already seen it (because that’s your stated intent) the longer a potential criminal will have to counter -- to stop you, or if they do have a gun, to shoot you first.

The holster I use (since I saw you last I purchased a new one) is a retention holster - a heavy duty strap goes over the grip of the weapon and secures it firmly in place. The thumb-break, as it is called (a snap-button which holds the two parts of the strap together) is between the holster and my hip, and I make a point out of obscuring the break underneath my shirt of sweater while the rest of the holster is unconcealed. This makes it very difficult for a would-be snatcher to visually figure out where exactly the thumb-break is, which means they would spend more time wrestling me for it - and since my left side is my strong side, a swift elbow in their direction wouldn't take too long to snap up.

To touch on your other point, if a robber or otherwise gun-toting criminal is watching me, it won't matter if I an OC or CC (concealed carry) - in fact, if CCing, it will take me longer to draw and ready my weapon to address the threat, in which case, it doesn't matter - the robber will see me going for a gun and BANG.

Captain, you know that I do take what you have to say seriously, especially since you approach debates and discussions from a more unbiased point of view. However, I feel as though all your points are things I have given very serious thought to previously, and have made my decision because I feel comfortable accepting the possible consequences thereof.

I very much look forward to reading your final though, as well. When are you coming over again, anyway?
 
tl;dr -- Mark, do you have trained lessons in shooting and handling this weapon?

And, imo, flashing a gun around a place like Wal-Mart is stupid. Flashing it in general is stupid. It's not a piece of "bling bling". It's a weapon. It's not a toy. It's not a video game or a fancy, pimped out cell phone.
 
tl;dr -- Mark, do you have trained lessons in shooting and handling this weapon?

And, imo, flashing a gun around a place like Wal-Mart is stupid. Flashing it in general is stupid. It's not a piece of "bling bling". It's a weapon. It's not a toy. It's not a video game or a fancy, pimped out cell phone.

Yes, I have been trained on firing and handling this weapon. Of course, I am pursuing more lessons, including those which center around the legal ramifications of the choice I've made. One can never be overtrained.

For the record, I've put over 200 rounds through it so far during training.

Also, as a general sweeping request, please stop referring to openly carrying as "flashing" - to flash a weapon means to intentionally and actively show it to someone and making damn sure that person sees it. Such as flashing my penis, which I do regularly.
 
I WANT people to see that I have a gun.
/sortof2ndamendmentrant

^ GUN is HOT. Okay, can I ask a Q? The thread is open anyway.

1. Do you have more serious plans ahead...say pursuing detective tasks or becoming a bodyguard or so?

2. Welcome to the world of civilian with guns. What are your other experiences with guns from the past that prompted you to value it now?

3. How SPORT are you?
 
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^ GUN is HOT. Okay, can I ask a Q? The thread is open anyway.

Thanks. Just trying to make it mine, you know?

1. Do you have more serious plans ahead...say pursuing detective tasks or becoming a bodyguard or so?

No, not really. Perhaps down the line I'll be an armed bouncer at my BDSM nightclub when I open it.

2. Welcome to the world of civilian with guns. What are your other experiences with guns from the past that prompted you to value it now?

I grew up in a shitty neighborhood and used to occasionally fall asleep to the sound of gunshots off in the distance. I didn't know that's what they were at the time (ahh, childhood naiveté), but now I also drive through some bad parts of town both for work and personal reasons. It's pretty sad that we live in a world where this kind of protection is necessary, but if one doesn't think it could happen to them because of where they live, that's just raw ignorance.

3. How SPORT are you?

What do you mean, hon? I don't understand your question.
 
SPORT. It's a question of self-control, how easily pissed could you get and be tempted to feel the concealed holster "just in case"?

Ugh. I am vague by habit. sorry.
 
Bohemianne - I won't. Period. Under no circumstances, excepting my life or the lives of others being feared for, will the thought of using or even drawing the weapon ever even cross my mind.

Being pissed is exactly when NOT to think about drawing down.
 
Pardon if familiar territory is retread. I finished writing this last night at work.


A person must make their own decisions, and you have made yours.

With regard to my additional concern, you'll have to forgive me if I get a little philosophical on you.

The basic idea is this: An object by its nature emboldens the owner in its use.

It doesn't matter what the object is, really. But its nature dictates its use. Possession of a pencil emboldens one to write or draw. A car emboldens one to drive. And you can liken a gun to a tool like a screwdriver all you wish, but a gun doesn't embolden you to screw (...insert joke here. 🙂 )



Now, my mother was a wonderful woman who taught me many important things about manners and being a gentleman, but the one wrong thing she taught me was by example, unwittingly, and that was how to handle stress and frustration. I recognized pretty early on that it was dysfunctional, and made a conscientious effort to develop my own way of dealing with stress. And I did so, I felt, successfully.

But I missed something.

In 2003, I'd just come back from the San Diego Comicon. It's pretty kickass if you're into comics and pop culture. I'd flown right back from Cali, worked that night, and was driving to my parent's home.

So anyway, at an intersection, this guy comes driving from my right. There's someone in front of him in the lane, stopped at the stop sign. They start pulling into the intersection as it's their turn, and I start edging out as I'm next. So this guy pulls into the lane of oncoming traffic, startling me and cutting me off, and drives around the person in front of him (already in progress into the intersection) to turn right, harshly and dangerously cutting him off. Could have created quite a mess, but luckily, everyone else stopped, and he just flew on up the highway.

He was going my way, so I figured I'd catch up to him, get his license plate number, and call it in. So I flew on up there. He passed a person in the no-passing lane, and I was stuck behind them. That dude turned, and then it was just the aggressive driver and me again, but again, he had a sizable lead, so I sped up again to get within range.

And in that process of being initially startled, having to drive like hell to catch up, getting caught behind the other person, driving like hell again to catch up again, something more irrational took over, and not only did I follow close enough to get the license number (which I did), and I tried to call it in, but there was no cell reception in the area which further frustrated me... ...and I started driving like my mom.

My mom was an emotional driver. I remember in the past when she would be driving and something upset her, she would drive faster and more recklessly. It could have been an argument, or someone who ticked her off in traffic, but her feet would be heavier on both accelerator and brake, turns sharper, and if we hadn't buckled up before, we were sure to do so then.

And so I followed him too closely. Far enough away to be "safe", I felt -- not “tailgating” per se -- but at the speeds we were traveling, close enough that he was distinctly aware of my presence. In that moment, I wanted him to know that people had been endangered by his recklessness, and I wanted him to know that it mattered, and I figured that if he would just take a second to pull over, I could say, "Hey buddy, don't cut people off in traffic like that!" and we'd maybe have some words and we'd both be on our way.

And he pulled over, and so did I. But folks aren't as civilized outside of work as I was thinking.

Long story short, the guy pulled a gun on me, asked if I wanted to die, gave me a chance to drive away, then gave chase, and ultimately I crashed my Mitsubishi Mirage into a steel guard rail and vacated my car in a (thankfully successful) attempt to get away.

The point is, prior to that moment, had you asked me if I were a safe driver, I'd have said unequivocally "YES". Nothing could have convinced me otherwise.

Today, looking back, would I say that before that point I was a competent and good driver? Yes. Absolutely. But could I say that I was truly safe?

No. Absolutely not. I had every opportunity not to engage if I chose, and I failed to give them consideration.

My disposition while driving and my consideration in other matters has changed significantly, and for the better, since then.

It concerns me that you haven't had that sort of moment that makes you really check yourself and consider the value of a conservative approach -- the moment that gives you a calming breath and a second thought at the time you need one -- when you can say, “Okay, this is not the time to engage”.

Some of what I see in this thread suggests to me you haven’t had that moment, and speaks, at least to my mind, of some overeagerness to display, and perhaps, to engage -- just as I was overeager and felt safe to engage with my car. It's a thing easily missed even within oneself. I hope I’m wrong. And I hope that when you come to your revelatory moment that will inform you to play things a little more conservatively and discreetly, that you’re as fortunate as I was to get out of it unscathed.

Also, you know it's deceptively easy to say in the calm environment in front of your computer that you know logically that being pissed is not the time to engage. But where lie the limits of your patience, and will you heed that same logical thought when that threshold's been crossed? I, of course, can't answer that nor would presume to do so, but recommend that question as a point of continual reflection for you, to be revisited everyday, as often, as seriously, and as religiously as you practice situational awareness.



Finally, aside from the primary matter, maybe reconsider your own assumptions of people’s anti-gun biases, because as I know the bulk of contributors here that you do, and to whose input you’ve seemed to take offense, the greatest bias most of them possess is one out of concern for your safety and well being. I think you’d tend to agree. They are family, and while you may disagree with family, and even the way they may express their views, their core ideas probably merit being listened to and considered respectfully.

We’ll talk more about this off-Forum, I’m sure. Til then, and after, be safe.
 
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