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non bondage tickling

coolman

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I don't know about anyone else but I far prefer non-bondage tickling (tickle fights, etc) to bondage tickling. It's a shame there isn't more media out there without bondage. The only producer I can think of who does non-bondage is Francois, who uses it, it would seem, for a large percentage of his videos.

Is there anyone else out there who prefers tickle fights to just plain boring bondage? Obviously non-bondage has its disadvantages, but I just find it much more of a turn on.

If you've got a mo, lets have your thoughts on bondage vs non bondage! 🙂
 
Me too...........

I gotta tell ya I've been a fan of non-bondage tickling for quite a while. Actually a few on the TMF understand my feelings surrounding this because I've tickled them. Suffice it to say that tickling CAN be enjoyed without bondage. And Im not telling those who enjoy bondage to stop....no no no. If thats whatcha like.......more power to ya. Hey I like bondage tickling from a story, photo, and video perspective. In my true life tickling I've found I didn't need it. Been lucky so far too......haven't been kicked......well that much anyway 😀

Giantfan :devil:
 
I've never bound anyone. I certainly wouldn't want anyone to bind me...ever. Pin down, gang tickle, sure. Instinctively, though, I would never think of binding someone, and I'd never allow myself to be bound. I leave that stuff for videos, anyway.
 
I've had both and I perfer the bondage. Something about being tied up and being helpless😉 it's a rush for sure!😉
 
Both can be exciting. But I agree with Cleopatra2003, that there is just something about being tied up and helpless.
 
I like both. Tickle fights are great but they are best when both parties are roughly equal in their ticklishness, strengh, or whatever it takes for it to not be one-sided.

Whether bondage is desirable or not may also depend on the ticklee. Ticklees who move a great deal, thrash around a lot, are quite strong, etc. may be almost impossible to tickle successfullly in their most ticklish spots in they are not bound. I have seen some disappointing tickling videos where the ticklees were barely tickled in their most sensitive spots because bondage was too light. On the other hand, other ticklees' movements become spastic and ineffective. Some even freeze. Those ticklees can be easily tickled half to death without bondage.
 
Tickle Fights are FUN!!!!! But when you know someone who likes being tied, that is a blast 🙂
 
Most of the tickling experiences I have had have been without bondage. I have to say that I really enjoy them. Part of my love for tickling comes from the sheer spontaneity and fun of the impromptu tickle fights, pokes, and squeezes. I have to say my favorite ticking experiences of all have occurred in public... no bondage there *giggle*. (But that might be my exhibitionism talking 😛)

I was tied and tickled for the first time ever in Jan. of 2001. It was a wonderful experience to say the least, and the other tickling experiences I've had with bondage since then couldn't top it (That was about what? 6 times LOL. Not a lot).

Due to my "lack of experiences" with bondage I will have to say that I like being tickled without bondage the most. I know, I'm biased. But if I happen to have more experiences in the future, (I don't see many of those happening in the near future) who knows how my mind will change.

:Kiss2:
Sunrise
 
This topic came up at least once already...

...and not all that long ago, either. Wasn't it Mimi's thread? I forget. But everybody jumped in on that one. Went on for a long time. Now, if I only knew how to dig up old threads like I've seen others do in here, we'd be all set...
 
Sunriseticklee said:
But if I happen to have more experiences in the future, (I don't see many of those happening in the near future) who knows how my mind will change.


Well now, there's a simple solution to THAT, now isn't there? Get your teehiney back out to California! I wanna change your mind and then some!
 
AffectionateDan said:


Well now, there's a simple solution to THAT, now isn't there? Get your teehiney back out to California! I wanna change your mind and then some!

Hey! DDD posted a site on his Tickling as flirting thread. I think that site is being manned by you twin brother. 😛 Teeheehee 😀

Sorry, my teehiney is hopelessly broke, and will probably for the rest of the year. Not a happy time for teachers in Georgia.

Maybe you can take some playa's time off and come see Hotlanta.

Heehee
Sunrise
:Kiss2:
 
Re: This topic came up at least once already...

AffectionateDan said:
...and not all that long ago, either. Wasn't it Mimi's thread? I forget. But everybody jumped in on that one. Went on for a long time. Now, if I only knew how to dig up old threads like I've seen others do in here, we'd be all set...

Here ya go, Danimal

http://www.ticklingforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=21912

Jen
 
I love non bondage tickling - there is nothing bits a playful ticklefight for me, or the gnag tickle hold her down scenario.
I have tried bondage with my partner and that has led to more of a sexual tickling, but non bondage wise I actualy find that cos of my degree of ticklishness its almost at times like being tied up cos as tickish as I am I also enjoy being tickled and after the inital squirming around I tend to find that I'm pretty immobile cos I dont actually want to get away from those tickle tools and am too paralysed by my laughter.
 
Re: This topic came up at least once already...

AffectionateDan said:
...and not all that long ago, either. Wasn't it Mimi's thread? I forget. But everybody jumped in on that one. Went on for a long time. Now, if I only knew how to dig up old threads like I've seen others do in here, we'd be all set...

Nope, wasn't my thread, but I certainly had my share of participation in it!! 😀

I will state again, for the sake of this new thread, that I LOVE non-bondage tickling. I have no problems with bondage what-so-ever, and the tickling I myself receive is about 50/50 with/without bondage, but I do have a preference for non-bondage. I love being forced into submission, and bondage just takes that power away and hands it to the ler on a silver platter. Uh-uh. I like my lers to WORK for my submission. To make me submit under their own sheer power and skill. But again, this takes a special ler to accomplish, due to my own size and strength.

The good news, however, is that someone DID finally accomplish this. 😀 Up until about 7 weeks ago, I had never met a male ler capable of taking me down, pinning me, AND tickling me to insanity all at the same time. Congrats to Uni (freaking brute) who made all three of those a reality for me, AND who made it look so stinking EASY! :sowrong: :sowrong: 😛 😛


Mimi
 
Actually it was my thread...

But I could give a flys abdomen about credit, TICKLE FIGHTS RULE!
 
I definately prefer non-bondage tickling. bondage scares me and sends me into panic. Even the thought of it, since ive never had it. tickle fights are much more fun and you can always head-lock someone or hold them down. Happy tickling!!!!!!!
 
whops! sorry if a post such as this one has existed before. oh well. we've got some good responses so far regardless!
 
Re: Re: This topic came up at least once already...

Mimi said:


I will state again, for the sake of this new thread, that I LOVE non-bondage tickling. I have no problems with bondage what-so-ever, and the tickling I myself receive is about 50/50 with/without bondage, but I do have a preference for non-bondage. I love being forced into submission, and bondage just takes that power away and hands it to the ler on a silver platter. Uh-uh. I like my lers to WORK for my submission. To make me submit under their own sheer power and skill. But again, this takes a special ler to accomplish, due to my own size and strength.

The good news, however, is that someone DID finally accomplish this. 😀 Up until about 7 weeks ago, I had never met a male ler capable of taking me down, pinning me, AND tickling me to insanity all at the same time. Congrats to Uni (freaking brute) who made all three of those a reality for me, AND who made it look so stinking EASY! Mimi

Hey, Meem:

If you so desire, I am hereby throwing down the gauntlet. You and me...mano a mano (or mano a womano)...April 5th. May the better mano (or womano) win...
😉
 
coolman said:
whops! sorry if a post such as this one has existed before. oh well. we've got some good responses so far regardless!

Every thread here is a recycled one, what matters is that it's new to the people whom haven't read it before. I wouldn't worry about being repetitious, I wouldn't be suprised if there was a thread posted herer regarding non-bondage tickling before the one I made.
 
Re: Re: Re: This topic came up at least once already...

HeBeGeeBee said:


Hey, Meem:

If you so desire, I am hereby throwing down the gauntlet. You and me...mano a mano (or mano a womano)...April 5th. May the better mano (or womano) win...
😉

Hahaha, you think you can take me? Poor foolish little man....😛 😛

*giggles*

Mimi 😀

P.S. Just over 3 weeks to go!
 
Re: Re: This topic came up at least once already...

Mimi said:


Nope, wasn't my thread, but I certainly had my share of participation in it!! 😀

I will state again, for the sake of this new thread, that I LOVE non-bondage tickling. I have no problems with bondage what-so-ever, and the tickling I myself receive is about 50/50 with/without bondage, but I do have a preference for non-bondage. I love being forced into submission, and bondage just takes that power away and hands it to the ler on a silver platter. Uh-uh. I like my lers to WORK for my submission. To make me submit under their own sheer power and skill. But again, this takes a special ler to accomplish, due to my own size and strength.

The good news, however, is that someone DID finally accomplish this. 😀 Up until about 7 weeks ago, I had never met a male ler capable of taking me down, pinning me, AND tickling me to insanity all at the same time. Congrats to Uni (freaking brute) who made all three of those a reality for me, AND who made it look so stinking EASY! :sowrong: :sowrong: 😛 😛


Mimi

Is anybody thinking what I'm thinking? (GANG TICKLE! GANG TICKLE! DAMMIT! GANG TICKLE!) 😉
-Phil
 
It's quite interesting to read this thread. And yes, the subject has been discussed before, I participated in that.
I just wonder: since so many seems to either prefer or like non-bondage tickling, why is there so much more stuff with bondage tickling? Maybe some have an idead.
 
coolman said:
I don't know about anyone else but I far prefer non-bondage tickling (tickle fights, etc) to bondage tickling. It's a shame there isn't more media out there without bondage. The only producer I can think of who does non-bondage is Francois, who uses it, it would seem, for a large percentage of his videos.

I have indeed done some non-bondage scenes in my videos. However, so far it's only been featured in the first 10 minutes of Last Laugh Beta and about 15 minutes of Last Laugh Gamma. The rest of my work involves bondage in some for or another (most often my massage table and stocks combo).

Last Laugh Delta will feature non-bondage tickling for a little less than 10 minutes at the beginning of the video.

Personally, I try to use bondage for the better part of my videos because I've been lead to think that many, if not most ticklephiles like some bondage in their tickling footage, in spite of what this thread seems to indicate (I guess non-bondage fans are more likely to contribute to this thread).

There are also technical reasons. It makes the tickler's job a lot easier, which is a good thing because some models are hard enough to tickle to begin with. It prevents accidents, like a fist or a foot in the face. It also makes it easier to film a scene, because the models aren't moving around all the time, hiding each other, showing me their backs, etc. Sometimes, non-bondage scenes make for clumsy, inefficient tickling. But there are some ways of making it kinda fun, which is why I've included such scenes in my last few videos, though only for 10-15 minutes.
 
Actually Francois if you have a look the original non-bon thread got to about 7 pages long, the response was enormous. Anyways just so you know that if you ever released a vid like that, I'd be the first to buy it, and I haven't bought a tickle vid in years. Especially if you involved some gang-up tickling as well as tickle fights. It's awesome also just to see a woman being held down and tickled. Just hoping to give you some food for thought.
-Phil
http://www.ticklingforum.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=154657#post154657
 
46and2 said:
Actually Francois if you have a look the original non-bon thread got to about 7 pages long, the response was enormous.

Indeed, I just browsed that old thread, and many people from the TMF really do seem to like or even prefer non-bondage tickling. It's actually quite popular. However, I still suspect that more ticklephiles prefer some form of bondage in their tickling videos. I may be wrong, though.

Mind you, I would find it rather neat if most people preferred non-bondage tickling. It's pretty easy to do, it requires less equipment and preparation, and while most candidates don't mind the bondage aspect of the project too much (at least the way I do it), it's still a little more reassuring for some of them to be free. Tickle fights can be a lot of fun.

Still, as neat as it can be, free tickling (or at least tickling that involves one or more ticklers holding down a ticklee) has some limitations. There's just something about a model not being able to defend herself too much. As I said in a previous post, some models are tricky to tickle effectively, and having to wrestle with them doesn't improve things. Free tickling can be a tad more dangerous too, as well as harder to film. And for those who enjoy feet, it's easier to get good steady shots of the feet when the model is restrained, like in stocks for instance.

Another issue is the times I work with a solo model and have to tickle her myself. I feel it's enough of a touchy situation to begin with without having to wrestle with the model myself. That could be highly intimidating and embarrassing, very inappropriate indeed. I'd never do that. In those cases I simply don't have a choice but to have a restained model. I prefer her to feel just a tad vulnerable (as long as we agree to do it that way in advance) but limit physical contact than grope her all over trying to keep her still, sticking my hands everywhere in hopes of tickling her. That's not the kind of reputation I want for myself. I feel uncomfortable just thinking about it. It works fine for some people, but not for me.

Anyways just so you know that if you ever released a vid like that, I'd be the first to buy it, and I haven't bought a tickle vid in years. Especially if you involved some gang-up tickling as well as tickle fights. It's awesome also just to see a woman being held down and tickled.

That might be a nice variation for a video, but I'm just not sure how popular free tickling really is. I'm not sure how much of a risk it would be, financially speaking, to try that. How well would the videos sell? This may sound materialistic, but I do have to take money issues into consideration if I want to continue doing this.

I kinda like what I've been doing in my last videos: mostly moderate bondage, but some free tickling scenes for variety. I don't know if mixing both annoys more people than anything else.

Gang-up scenes involving 3 models or more would indeed be great fun, whether it's free or restrained tickling. However, it's really hard to find trios that work well and are willing to do it. Getting decent duos is hard enough as it is. I mean, the more models in a group, the more chances of one deciding she's not comfortable with the project and dragging the others along with her. Quite a frustrating situation. Also, the more chances of one not having what it takes, and I'd hate to select two candidates but refuse the third, even if it might be a wise move. It's especially touchy when the reason this particular candidate doesn't quality is her looks. Can I really tell her that? How would the others feel about doing a session if I had to turn down their friend?

Another problem with groups is the salaries. When I have a duo, each model gets less than a solo model would get, but more than just half. If I go on adding more models, the total salary goes up, and at one point a video would become too expensive to produce.

Of course, I could decide to offer each model less money, like offer them the same total salary as I'd offer a duo, assuming one or two of the models isn't a ticklee (models that are just ticklers get a little less than ticklees). However, the less a model gets, the less likely she is to agree to participate. I can't reduces salaries too much, no matter how many models I have for a session. I mean, the role of a specific model may be limited, but she's still appearing in a video that's sold to customers, and that in itself deserves a certain salary.

So trios and larger groups are not only hard to find, but also hard to pay. I'd need models that are interested enough in the project itself that they're ok with a reduced salary, the fun experience compensating for it somewhat. But how likely am I to find such a group? Hasn't happened yet. Oh, I got a few interested trios, but for some reason they never seemed to qualify for a video as a whole. That's too bad, because if I got a really interesting trio, with at least two good ticklees, it might actually be easy to hire them for two videos, in which case I might be able to get a kind of "volume discount" for the salaries, which would make it easier for me to hire a trio or quartet.
 
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