Non-Consensual (not the usual discussion)

[LD_Tickler]

The consensus view seems to be that nonconsensual tickling is, as well as illegal, wrong and should not be done. I agree. Also, that nonconsensual tickling is fine in fantasy.

Now, I got thinking. Is it even right (for lack of a better word) to spread non-consensual content, even when it is only a fantasy? We have non consensual stories and roleplaying non consensual videos, and we all say it's fine because it's not real.

However, do you think the danger exists that by indulging in this desire, even in an artificial way, it becomes fueled and gains strength? Perhaps catering to this fantasy reinforces the desire, a desire which can potentially be a very bad thing if acted upon in the real world.

I'm not advocating thought control. Anyone/thing/institution that advocates thought control is moronic in my books; nobody can control what they think. However, that doesn't mean we have to serve these thoughts.

Just an idea... not even sure what my opinion is... what do you think? Does fantasy nonconsensual content encourage nonconsensual fantasies at some level?

 

[Ticklerguy4u]

I dunno as a child, I used to laugh at Elmer Fudd when he got shot in the face with his own gun by Bugs Bunny. As a matter of fact now that I think of it watching stormtroopers get sliced by jedi is pretty cool to watch too.

If you can't handle the difference between fantasy to reality..then the movie or literature you read...isn't your biggest problem.

 

[isabeau]

while i love the stories about non consensual tickling torture, i really do not think that it happens in real life. its like the bdsm stories i read on the bdsm library, much of those would never take place in real life. i have chatted with several writers from that forum that tell me its only fantasy and would and could never happen in real life. i enjoy these tickle torture stories. i do not think it poses any danger to real life.

isabeau

 

[LD_Tickler]

To ticklerguy - The issue regarding censoring violence revolves around whether or not violence in movies and TV imprints new behavioural trends. I'm talking about a mentality that already exists. They're similar issues, but not quite analogous. Even if they were analogous, I don't see how you proved a point. They haven't determined either way whether or not violence in the media is connected to violence in society. Also, I don't see how you inferred from my query that I can't distinguish between reality and fantasy.

But to anyone else, in case I was unclear, I'm asking whether or not you think encouraging nonconsensual fantasies could potentially strengthen the desires, or in some way glorify them?

 

[Ticklerguy4u]

while i love the stories about non consensual tickling torture, i really do not think that it happens in real life. its like the bdsm stories i read on the bdsm library, much of those would never take place in real life. i have chatted with several writers from that forum that tell me its only fantasy and would and could never happen in real life. i enjoy these tickle torture stories. i do not think it poses any danger to real life.

isabeau

Most of us here on the forum are intelligent enough to reconize the difference. We can usually weed out the ones not in touch with reality or should I say they usually weed themselves out.

 

[LD_Tickler]

Ticklerguy, it's not a matter of intelligence, and not a matter of distinguishing reality from fantasy. I'm not asking whether anyone read a nonconsensual story and said "Hey that's a good idea!" and tried it.

I'm asking whether there's an effect on the psyche. No matter how smart you think you are, you're not aware of everything going on in your head.

 

[Battousai]

This is the same thing FrenzyTicklers thread was about, actually.

The point is that it's nonconsensual material being aimed at people who like that sort of thing, and that that may encourage it. A movie is slightly different because it's not usually about catering to someone's desire like that. But, I'm not sure if that's true, as action movies are made to cater to peoples' violent natures, you know?

I think video games are a closer parallel. Look at things like Grand Theft Auto. Some people would say that this game encourages vioence and crime. How's it any different? Because the people in it aren't real people?

I don't think you can go around banning or censoring things like this. If you stopped everything that could cause people to perform violent acts (or whatever), or everything that might offend a certain type of person, there wouldn't be much left. People have to have some freedom.

 

[Ticklerguy4u]

But to anyone else, in case I was unclear, I'm asking whether or not you think encouraging nonconsensual fantasies could potentially strengthen the desires, or in some way glorify them?

Oh okay, I misunderstood. Again I say if you are stable enough to handle it then its no danger to you or to anyone else. Its like watching a movie or reading a book. You are interested in the plot and characters. Feeling there emotions if they steal a car because they need a quick get-a-way or maybe beat up the bad guy. It's all entertaining you, but would you go out and start trying to do the same things? Let's face it, we all have things that entertain us that is beyond what one would consider extreme. But that is all it is to some of us..extreme. The stories that are written are just a extremity of what a person would feel when tickled. There is none that I've read where it says the victim was crying out in pain and then she was beaten over the head. Or she/he suffered a heart attack during her session. Most just say she was laughing and giggling..saying no stop..but everyone thats tickled says that..its a normal reaction to it. There are some people that like to be tickled here and yes it can be torturous but not to the extreme of hurting them. We love our ticklees we would never physically, metally or emotionally hurt them.

 

[Redmage]

I think the key is not in what fantasies we promote, but rather how well we police the line between fantasy and reality.

There are many fantasies that would be inconvenient or even illegal to try to do "for real." This applies to both sexual and non-sexual fantasies. Most people though are able to keep the distinction between fantasy and reality firmly in mind.

For example I don't think that "bodice-ripper" romances, though they're very popular among women both young and old, are likely to make women want to be raped. I don't think that fantasies about enslavement are likely to promote slavery. The fantasy factory that we call Hollywood doesn't make people more likely to rob banks and lead the police on high-speed changes, or blow up buildings.

If someone cannot separate fantasy from reality then that's a different problem. But such cases must be treated individually. Making alcohol illegal didn't cure alcoholism.

 

[TickleSimone]

I agree

with all the different aspects on this thread. Regarding non-consensual tickling - we have societal norms to keep that firmly in place. We know that it is wrong to do certain things to people in public. Though I Do hope someone would stop a man tickle torturing a young woman if she was screaming her head off and not laughing. IF she was laughing - I still hope people would call to attention it was disruptive and it might stop that way.

If a man or woman does this enough times in a relationship and ther does NOT like it, I think it would be splitsville for the couple.

For fear of highjacking a thread, I basically think that both people should be into the things they practice together. Maybe one time the guy or girl could say, "hey, I know you've never been tickled - sometime in the next week I'm just going to right out tickle you like crazy but I'll stop when you say mercy 3 times"

See? That let's them be able to experience consensual tickling (within a loving relationship hopefully) and yet, she doesn't know WHEN it's coming.

again, sorry if i highjacked the meaning of the thread but I think it kind of applies.

 

[LD_Tickler]

All these responses are all fairly similar, and they raise good points.

However, nobody has given an opinion on whether or not they think indulgence in these desires has a subconscious effect. Is it possibly that by induling a nonconsensual desire, the desire grows stronger?

 

[AquaFeline]

I think that viewing material about nonconsensual tickling, assuming it is enjoyed, could encourage a person to pursue such activities, but only someone who was antisocial would actually follow through on it, and of those people who are antisocial (in the antisocial personality sense, not the people who don't hang out with other people sense) are less likely to pursue such activities if they have a safe outlet. IE someone who gets off on the idea of nonconsensual tickling is probably not going to be pushed over the edge by having such material available; they will do it on their own. Also, attempting not to fantasize about that will also most likely make the desire more intense. Ever tried NOT to think of something?

 

[Battousai]

All these responses are all fairly similar, and they raise good points.

However, nobody has given an opinion on whether or not they think indulgence in these desires has a subconscious effect. Is it possibly that by induling a nonconsensual desire, the desire grows stronger?

Well, I can only speak for myself. Playing video games and watching action movies hasn't made me into a violent person. I have no urge to go out and steal a car or shoot someone. And I've read plenty of non-consensual stories, and enjoyed them, but I'm not going to tie someone up and tickle them against their will any time soon.

 

[Ticklerguy4u]

If you want my opinion then here it is.

Your desire only grows if you want it too. Like everything else in life. Think about it long enough and it will. Weighing the pros and cons, ignoring the consequences and reasoning and enjoying the outcome. No matter who or what it destroys.

Its called obsession. However, like movies and videogames , it is not the movie or game that causes this obsession it is the individual themselves. So your question is would it? No..IT doesn't. You do. If you already have the desire in you, the story doesn't fuel what's already there.

 

[mike273273]

This is interesting. I have came accross a few videos that were labelled "NC" but is debateable to if they are or not. They are well known on here so I will mention them.

One of them was a one on tickle horror I think, where an Asian was tied and tickled, and apparently he was done so as he said he would be a porn star but he had a small penis? The site claims "no acting" and other stuff.

Another was on yaqi's site, breaking neal I think it was called? It said that Neal hates to be tickled and that it is "as close to non consensual tickling as you can get" ?

 

[Jarl_Frank]

I dunno as a child, I used to laugh at Elmer Fudd when he got shot in the face with his own gun by Bugs Bunny. As a matter of fact now that I think of it watching stormtroopers get sliced by jedi is pretty cool to watch too.

If you can't handle the difference between fantasy to reality..then the movie or literature you read...isn't your biggest problem.

I totally agree with this.
It's just the same thing as with brutal computer games:
There are millions of people playing them (including me 😀 ), but less than 1% of them kills people in real life because they like to do it in their video games.

With non-consensual tickling it's just the same IMHO.

 

[Redmage]

However, nobody has given an opinion on whether or not they think indulgence in these desires has a subconscious effect. Is it possibly that by induling a nonconsensual desire, the desire grows stronger?

Sure, it's possible. But if it's subconscious, then how would you know?