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Ok...what the fuck? Where is respect nowadays?

Artoo

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Right...I'm walking out of a nightclub with one of my friends, and some random stranger, about 18-25 years old comes into the taxi with us, and demands to be taken somewhere where we plan on not going.

I try to reason with him, saying that there are plenty of taxis, and he starts threatening me (to put it lightly...). It took for me to say I was a member of the local church (which I'm not anymore) before they'd leave me alone.

Seriously, I'm not prejudiced against teenagers per se, but what gives them the fucking right to order me about? Where is respect? I feel kind of old for saying it, but that seems to be the way things are going.

Ok, rant over...
 
Artoo, I've had similar experiences and I've wondered the same thing myself. The amount of respect given to the common stranger amongst people seems to be falling. Sometimes I think it's the parenting, sometimes you meet insecure people with something to prove. Sometimes people act as if their existence on this planet entitles them to act as they please, as if society owes them something. It's all pretty bogus. People seem to have their defensive shields up instinctively these days. But I also wonder how the current state of society affects our group dynamic. The past six years have an onslaught of "terror" and negativity, war, etc. Perhaps the feelings of fear, anger and stress are too much for the mind to take, and over time conditions people to have negative outlook in general. Maybe everyone just needs some relief, something positive to focus on. I'd like to think we aren't inherently this way. Maybe I'm reaching with this one, but it's crossed my mind more than once.
 
All right, for the record, I'd like to apologise for using racial slurs in the chatroom. I would like to say, however, since the man in question referred to himself as a n*****, it makes sense for me to approach him on his own terms. Fuck political correctnes.
 
teenagers? hah. what about the kids? the ones that are barely ten, and are sneaking smokes from their mom, threatening to kick everyone's ass, and acting the fool in public?

the problem is, parents aren't allowed to discipline their kids anymore. period. without discipline, you don't learn respect.

i've said it before, i'll say it again: i feel bad for this upcoming generation, 'cuz i ain't impressed by what i've seen so far.
 
People are bastard coated bastards with bastard filling. Learning how to ignore or deal with all the jerks in society is just part of life. Maybe I'm just too young to remember how respectful everyone "used" to be but I would have opened the taxi door and let your friend shove that guy out.
 
Ugh I've had a horrible experience similar to that. I was out one night locally and decided to bail home because i had work the next day and I have to wait in line for a cab for at least 40 minutes. Not happy at all.
Then I finally get in a cab and this couple- maybe in their 30's- run up and slide into the back next to me and the woman is like oh you don't mind us hopping in do you sweetie we're going this way too. I agreed but I was still in a foul mood and as soon as the cab starts rolling they start going at it all squashed up next to me. i was SO unhappy! They we're like giggling and saying how "cheeky" they were. Hooking up in the back of a cab isn't cheeky. It's so textbook and lame. and bad etiquette! grr..
 
You know, when my grandfather died a few summers ago, I remarked to people how his generation really had it right. He was married to my grandmother for 60 years, always treated her with love and respect, and together raised 4 boys into honest, hard-working men with families of their own. Maybe it's just me, but I feel like every generation has gone down a notch. Not so much from my grandparents to my mother and father. Really thinking mainly about my generation to this one now. It seems as though the "bad apple" exception is beginning to become the rule, and it's very sad.
 
Respectfulness is waning, indeed.

I wonder how many people even perceive a 'greater good' anymore? Common courtesy is just one of those little things people can do to make life more tolerable and, as a result, reduce the number of jaded assholes in society.
 
Right...I'm walking out of a nightclub with one of my friends, and some random stranger, about 18-25 years old comes into the taxi with us, and demands to be taken somewhere where we plan on not going.

I try to reason with him, saying that there are plenty of taxis, and he starts threatening me (to put it lightly...). It took for me to say I was a member of the local church (which I'm not anymore) before they'd leave me alone.

Seriously, I'm not prejudiced against teenagers per se, but what gives them the fucking right to order me about? Where is respect? I feel kind of old for saying it, but that seems to be the way things are going.

Ok, rant over...

It's too bad they don't allow hand guns over in the U.K. Sometimes being armed says "get the fuck out" like nothing else.
 
If it had been me, I'd have pulled out his spine and choked him with it, but I have no idea how prepared you are to stomp a mud hole in someone, or how able even if you were willing. And then, I'd have called the cops, telling them that I'd defended myself because I was afraid for my life, and that I wanted to press charges. Prolly would have dialed 911 on the cell before even beating his ass.
 
It's terrible here.

Tis' not uncommon for a 10 year old to be losin' their virginity an goin' around shootin' other kids up. We've got a curfew in the City of Rochester instilled for 17 and unders. It was in trial stages and got voted to be active permanently instead of just the summer time.

The problem will always lie with the parental units, especially with kids that young. But parents are too busy lettin' loose on their own, or simply too "busy" to give a damn.

If only it was like it was back when..

When smackin' your kid was commonplace and expected to earn any shrivel of respect from them.

Now, they run off sobbin' to CPS. Ugh.

I can understand if there is strict violence and malicious intent. BUT, a smack in the back of the head is nothing to bitch about.
 
Hey Artoo...make yourself one of these...nice and discrete:firedevil

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I hate to break it to you but nothing has really changed.

People have always been rude and pushy, lol.

The "good old days" really didn't exist.
 
I hate to break it to you but nothing has really changed.

People have always been rude and pushy, lol.

The "good old days" really didn't exist.

Yeah. For example, I've yet to hear one elderly African-American talk about the "good old days". What may have been good for some, was probably bad for others. Although that was very rude, regardless of age.
 
If it had been me, I'd have pulled out his spine and choked him with it



LMAO.Note to self,never get into a cab,or any vehicle with Dan unless invited. :wow:
 
Reflecting back to yes the Good Old Days

I pray to the Rock N Roll Gods they help me stay on topic here.

Rodney Dangerfield said it best when he said... "I tell you..I don't get no

respect...none." Hi my name is Tickleslave07, and the late great gentleman there kept that line throughout his show buisness carrier as his trade mark.

Looking up out of great Respect Tickleslave07 says "God Bless You Mr.

Dangerfeild, and rest in peace sir." O.K. your probably wondering just what I'm doing here right? Well my fellow baby boomers get what I'm doing.......

Showing respect.

O.K. let me explain without getting to philosohphical here. Baby Boomers get showing respect to their elders just like myself.

Oh sure alot of us experienced a spaking with either a fathers hand or a

leather belt a couple of times....but hey look around at us baby boomers

were not dead were still here.

Hell now a days if anyone tried to discipline there kid or kids they'd have someone snitching to DSS that they just witnessed a parent physicaly abuse their children.

Sad part about that statement there is.........It's true, and my fellow baby boomers now its true.

All right with that said let me qoute Ray Layotta from GoodFeelas when he said "Everybody Takes a beaten now and then"

Of course that's when Sociaty says "Oooo Nooo you cannot spank your child on the Ass you'll hurt him, Or worse scar him for life."

O.K. guess that's all for now sorry have to come back to this another time.

Tickleslave07
 
I think I have a few answers...

Samantha was right when she said that the "goold old days" never existed; they didn't. Even Socrates was quoted as complaining about how the youth didn't respect their elders over 2000 years ago. The most you can do is chart the patterns of behavior.

Part of the allure of the old days is that there was a great deal of functionality involved in parenting...but it came at a cost. Keep in mind that the culture that bred the hard-working respectful kids also thought a belt superceded an intelligent conversation, and also would have perceived us as deviants who should be locked up or institutionalized to protect society. So yes, the "good old days" did work because everything else was sublimated or repressed. It was not a culture that could deal or tolerate complex issues, and the men especially couldn't handle emotion very well, and the "daddy issues" have become so legendary that entire plot devices of great novels revolve around the estranged son-father/mother-daughter dynamic.

I think the modern incarnation of disrespect that Artoo mentioned has to do with a combination of corporate culture and extreme shelteredness.

CORPORATE CULTURE
With the corporation gaining almost god-like powers over the last 3 decades and driving the technology market that has come to overwhelm almost every other legal market except fuel, the competition that was once considered the character-building trait of champions in the old days created a resurgence in the Guilded Age Era monopolistic greed. And to make things worse, the pursuit of market domination made the business world a competition to see who can make the most money. High-ranking business people make more money than they can physically spend in a lifetime and yet, they ALWAYS NEED MORE. In order to obtain more, they adopted new retail policies that catered to every whim a customer could have, especially in the vein of returns and discounts; they gave new meaning to the phrase "THE CUSTOMER IS ALWAYS RIGHT." The result was that an entire generation of customers learned that a business would give them anything they want if they bitched hard enough, and that's become an almost psychopathic habit amongst them.

Ask anybody who's ever worked retail if theere's a difference between children and adults (especially at Christimastime) and they'll tell you the parents are often worse. The public has been able to channel their life frsutrations into the work world where the employee has now become a serf. The modern culture, in pursuit of financial excellence has actually REGRESSED the public population into a type of mass infantalism, where bitching and whining get you what you want, and if it doesn't, then it's THEIR FAULT not yours and you can exploiut the company's fear of losing customers to get the offending employee in trouble.

SHELTEREDNESS
The better life gets, the more sensitive we become...which is a good thing when you consider the nearly psychotic behavior ancient societies used in interpersonal relationships of everyday life (the great Hebrew leaders of the Bible were psychopaths; they used the same brutalization techniques in their campaigns as warlords in Third World countries use today). A lot of old school "get your hands dirty" philosophy comes from rural-pioneer hardscrabble living where arbitration laws hadn't been established or weren't well-enforced. But arbitration showed that life doesn;t fit into neat little ordinances built for it, and soon arbitration gave way to micromanaging, where the key focus was in establishing culpability for damages or penalties. if you ever hear anybody say "TAKE SOME RESPONSIBILITY!" tell them "FUCK YOU!" because they aren't talking about responsibility, they're talking about the bill and who's gonna foot it, and you'll find those same people very slippery about their own "responsibility" when they find thmselves in those positions.

THAT'S WHY SO MANY PEOPLE ARE APATHETIC...YOU CAN GET IN TROUBLE FOR TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING THESE DAYS SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE OFFICIAL RESPONSIBILITY. So why bother helping people when it might likely cause you more trouble than you want?

Alongside of it is the growth of stability, which peaked in the 1950s; the post-WWII ecomomic boom created with it a religious zeal for the perfect life, where everything was fine and dandy. Don't laugh, people bought into this enough to think that it was real and that we can get there today by going backwards. With this was the realization amongst the baby Boomers that a great deal of society still fucntioned at the expense of other classes, marked by race or religion--an ideological inconsistency of the American Way of Life that their parent generation considered a practical exemption--and set out to change that and many other traditional notions that, while functional, were simplisitc and not sufficiently verasatile.

Combine the first two with this one and now you have a cultural shift that idealizes prosperous harmony and uses arbitration to micromanage people's everyday lives. Mutations start to emerge that rewrite the code of social behavior WITHOT changing the cultural template upon which it's based.

So in other words: We're trying to dissuade people from practicing aggressive, confrontational tribalist behavior without actually realizing that aggressive, confrontational tribalist behavior is the very attitude upon which the American infrastructure is BUILT! We've created a philosophy with no practical application in our society so it has nowhere to go but into whatever avenues it can squeeze.

Road rage is the perfect example. People who get road rage aren't really mad at the person they lash out at, they're mad at the people creating the situations they can't escape from or change because the only viable options aren't allowed to work (your co-workers/boss might think twice about stealing your lunch if you broke his nose, but you can't do it legally so nothing changes and you stay trapped). The ceaseless stress, combined with pressure to succeed and outperform and physical exhaustion due to the ridiculous work ethic disrupt cerebral stability and impulse control flies out the window. The other driver is simply the person IN THE WAY of you doing the thing you need to do to get the other people you can't control off your back. You see the same dynamic in absuive homes: husband hits wife, wife hits kids, kids hit the pet. It rolls downhill.

Now, where does this fit into the pushy teenager? Think about it: he's a young man with a strong sense of entitlement who needs to be places fast for immediate gratifcation and someone else has the nerve to interfere with that...does that sound like a personality borne of the combined paradigms I just described above?

On a final note, I would also add that another habit as old as that of the young having no respect for their elders is that a large part of parenting is dependent on ignorance. It starts out when they're young and incapable of undertanding the concepts you're trying to explain to them (children dont usually dvelop a sense of dimension until 3 years of age), so you take advantage of their ignorance to control their disruptive impulsive behavior. Problem is, this practice extends into adolescence and then you start exploiting their ignorance so they don;t learn more than you know earlier than you'd like; the old school parents also feel that they should decide what and how their children think, believe, and feel so that doesn't help. So children at large have no realistic idea of how the real world works. A grown man would know that you can't win every fight and that picking a fight over a cab is asking for more trouble than the fare is worth...teenager doesn't exactly realize that, especially a teenager who models his behavior off of a pushy culture that feels it can get what it wants by stepping on people who get in it's entitled way.

Teenagers also have the benefit of knowing that most people avoid direct confrontation and can be intimidated easily; and if that person CAN'T be easily intimidated...they CAN be easily sued courtesy of the culture of micromanagement I mentioned earlier.
 
I see no hope for the future of our people if they are dependent on the frivolous youth of today, for certainly all youth are reckless beyond words. When I was a boy, we were taught to be discrete and respectful of elders, but the present youth are exceedingly wise and impatient of restraint.

-Hesiod

Tha fact of the matter is, every generation tends to see the next generation as worse then their own generation, and the generation previouse to ours as better.

Ok, well, maybe not the 60's... :ermm:

but, if deffinitly sucks that the guy was such an ass.
 
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Even Socrates was quoted as complaining about how the youth didn't respect their elders over 2000 years ago.

Little side note, but i tried looking up that exact quote but couldn't find it. I did interestingly enough find the quote, but it alleges that it was actually said by a mayor in Newyork in 1966 and is meantion in a newspaper add.Don;t know if it's true or not, but interesting still. Assuming it's the quote i'm thinking of. 😀
 
It's too bad they don't allow hand guns over in the U.K. Sometimes being armed says "get the fuck out" like nothing else.

So it's legal to shoot someone for taking the piss out of you in the USA is it? That might explain why yanks don't like banter :-o

I have had experience of this taxi-jumping situation myself however, and like yours my experience was a bad one. I was out with an accquaintance one night in Glasgow when some lads in front of us hailed a taxi. We decided we'd be clever and try to jump it and it got a bit hairy, then ended with me and my good fellow being kicked up and down Buchanan Street by four angry jocks because the taxi driver shit it and drove off. I still have a huge scar on one of my fingers from where I tried to spark the fat one as he was opening the door, but miscued the punch and caught my hand on his teeth. Good times, sir; good times indeed 😀

I wouldn't consider this situation a barometer of society's lack of respect. What you have described is technically called "drunken shenanigans" and as far as I'm aware it goes with the night out, like bouncers picking on you if you're with a girl or whizzed-up knobheads picking on you because you're in the queue for the mosher club then running to the nearest riot van/ big brother crying when you give them a slap. Shenanigans and alcohol are like love and marriage, they go together like a horse and carriage and are an institute you can't disparage, but just because a drunken person does something drunken and silly doesn't mean the world is going to hell in a handbasket.
 
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