Pain and Sadism

[LD_Tickler]

Share your thoughts with me. I consider myself a sadist. Tickling fantasies for me are best when the lee is an unwilling victim, hates the sensation of tickling, and is being truly tortured. Terror, weakness, and torture.

BUT, I have no stomach for pain. None at all. Even if the bondage looks like it's just uncomfortable and awkward, instant turnoff.

So why is it that I relish fear and suffering, but get all squeamish around pain? Is my empathy broken? Do I have any business classifying myself as sadistic if I can't stand seeing a girl in pain, but love seeing her in ticklish misery and terror?

 

[chicago]

Ever thought that tickle torture could be painful?

 

[Artoo]

I prefer sadistic tickling to other, "milder" forms of tickling, whether I'm 'lerring or 'leeing. Both the situation and the sensation are much more intense than they would be in a much more playful setting.

Pain I can handle, particularly if I'm on the receiving end of it (not that I can't handle it on the giving end, I've just not got that much experience). I never thought I could truly get into pain until I had the open cuts on my stomach cleaned with alcohol while I was tied down last night. That shit just felt far too good. 😀

Sadism is the gratification of inflicting suffering on others. Do your ticklish ministrations inflict suffering? Then by all means, call yourself a sadist (or a sadistic tickler). Don't try to pidgeon-hole yourself though, you'll never find a perfect description for the way you play with someone.

 

[LD_Tickler]

Ever thought that tickle torture could be painful?

Not without dramatically broadening the term "pain." What do you mean?

Pain I can handle, particularly if I'm on the receiving end of it (not that I can't handle it on the giving end, I've just not got that much experience). I never thought I could truly get into pain until I had the open cuts on my stomach cleaned with alcohol while I was tied down last night. That shit just felt far too good. 😀

Sadism is the gratification of inflicting suffering on others. Do your ticklish ministrations inflict suffering? Then by all means, call yourself a sadist (or a sadistic tickler). Don't try to pidgeon-hole yourself though, you'll never find a perfect description for the way you play with someone.

Much respect for taking what you can dish out. I definitely can't. But if sadism really and clearly doesn't necessarily have to do with pain, why do you figure it's always associated with it?

 

[chicago]

Well I mean, after a while it can be painful. Your stomach muscles start to ache and your cheek muscles pinch after just a few minutes of tickling. At times it hurts to breathe. I dunno, maybe I'm being a baby. lol

 

[LD_Tickler]

Well I mean, after a while it can be painful. Your stomach muscles start to ache and your cheek muscles pinch after just a few minutes of tickling. At times it hurts to breathe. I dunno, maybe I'm being a baby. lol

Are you trying to ruin tickling for me?

 

[Artoo]

Much respect for taking what you can dish out. I definitely can't. But if sadism really and clearly doesn't necessarily have to do with pain, why do you figure it's always associated with it?

Pain is associated with sadism by proxy. It's the most common outlet for sadism, particularly in BDSM. However, the definition of sadism does not include the word pain (at least physical pain), merely suffering. So, when it comes to tickling, the definition still stands.

 

[chicago]

Are you trying to ruin tickling for me?

Ha. Nope. Sorry.

 

[LD_Tickler]

Pain is associated with sadism by proxy. It's the most common outlet for sadism, particularly in BDSM. However, the definition of sadism does not include the word pain (at least physical pain), merely suffering. So, when it comes to tickling, the definition still stands.

Well yeah I suppose I knew all that. I guess the question I should really be asking, is why, since I love to see/imagine suffering, pain repulses me?

 

[rhiannon]

Maybe it is the reaction; tickling causes laughter. Pain causes screams and moans. Suffering is immediately obvious.

Laughter itself is a positive thing, reactions to pain are a negative thing.

It is a normal human reaction to enjoy laughter and to try to help someone who is in pain. That may be what's triggered in you!

 

[LD_Tickler]

Maybe it is the reaction; tickling causes laughter. Pain causes screams and moans. Suffering is immediately obvious.

Laughter itself is a positive thing, reactions to pain are a negative thing.

It is a normal human reaction to enjoy laughter and to try to help someone who is in pain. That may be what's triggered in you!

A fair idea, but not the case I'm sure. Screaming and crying is just as satisfying to me as laughing, if not more. No, it's quite clear I enjoy every indicator of suffering, and that tickling isn't masking that from me.

 

[rhiannon]

Hum, so how about stuff that inflicts pain could physically harm the victim while tickling can't? 🙂

 

[LD_Tickler]

Hum, so how about stuff that inflicts pain could physically harm the victim while tickling can't? 🙂

Say again?

 

[Artoo]

Well yeah I suppose I knew all that. I guess the question I should really be asking, is why, since I love to see/imagine suffering, pain repulses me?

I'd suppose it's the thought of doing physical damage to someone that repulses you (I don't know for sure, I'm just throwing it out there).
Tickling is also a bit of a mindfuck (I mean, come on, it's only tickling, how bad can it be? 😉 ) which might be the other reason that it's so alluring - it's obvious to anyone that pain can become torturous, but tickling seems too innocent.

 

[rhiannon]

Say again?

I mean:

Stuff that causes pain, like cuts, the whip, paddles could technically cause wounds. Tickling can't.

 

[Onlyfornow]

Well I mean, after a while it can be painful. Your stomach muscles start to ache and your cheek muscles pinch after just a few minutes of tickling. At times it hurts to breathe. I dunno, maybe I'm being a baby. lol

Really? I've never experienced that.

 

[rhiannon]

Really? I've never experienced that.

I have. That's what the safeword is for. 🙂

 

[Musicroxmysox]

Maybe it's your pre-conditioning. Boys are taught never to cause a girl harm from the time they are born, you know the old saying you never hit a girl even if she hits you. So perhaps your natural instinct goes along with that.

I mean it has been proving that a majority of people enjoy keeping each other safe, in the sense of without pain.

Tickling though doesn't really fall along those lines. Our natural instincts towards it are that it is playful and fun. This could easily be transferable to the fact that you enjoy doing it in a torturous manner, but your sub-conscious still feels it is playful enough to never cause real harm.

I also agree with AnnieHall that tickling can be painful. Having a long session causes very sore muscles. Also the act itself if done in a hard manner that the lee doesn't like can be painful. Luckily there are many ways to do it so as to not cause pain. 🙂

 

[milagros317]

Well I mean, after a while it can be painful. Your stomach muscles start to ache and your cheek muscles pinch after just a few minutes of tickling. At times it hurts to breathe. I dunno, maybe I'm being a baby. lol

No, you're not being a baby. When tickled for a prolonged period of time, your diaphragm can ache, too. And even if the bondage is with leather cuffs with soft lining, after a while your wrists and ankles can hurt from pulling so much.

Of course, for a really great tickling session, it's worth it.

 

[Myriads]

Sadism is about more then enjoying inflicting pain.

It's about enjoying inflicting suffering

In the context of our fetish one can easily be a Sadist, yet still dislike pain and all it's aspects. Sadism has a flexible meaning based upon context. A skilled practitioner of orgasm denial is very much a sadist, as anyone who has experienced such a person's skill and actions will well know. No pain involved.

So the OP can be a sadist that dislikes pain. No issues there.

Myriads

 

[chuckle]

Share your thoughts with me. I consider myself a sadist. Tickling fantasies for me are best when the lee is an unwilling victim, hates the sensation of tickling, and is being truly tortured. Terror, weakness, and torture.

BUT, I have no stomach for pain. None at all. Even if the bondage looks like it's just uncomfortable and awkward, instant turnoff.

So why is it that I relish fear and suffering, but get all squeamish around pain? Is my empathy broken? Do I have any business classifying myself as sadistic if I can't stand seeing a girl in pain, but love seeing her in ticklish misery and terror?

Maybe you've got a diffrent definition of sadist. Or maybe you're just normal... 😉 I mean...

... mainly tickling is described as the opposite of pain... even though some studies by certain scientists have shown that both nerve impulses are centered and processed in the same brain areas.

But dude... you aren't broken in your empathy, you may be just a sadistic tickler... to whom tickling should not involve pain in certain ways... 🙂

 

[SantaFeSwitch]

Yes, there are different kinds of pain and suffering aren't there? More than just the narrow definition of physical pain. Inflicting fear and terror is a kind of mental/psychic pain or suffering.

Personally I'm not into pain of any kind. The problem with pain is that it hurts!

 

[LD_Tickler]

I mean:

Stuff that causes pain, like cuts, the whip, paddles could technically cause wounds. Tickling can't.

That could easily be it, actually good point. Maybe I just don't like wounds.

Maybe it's your pre-conditioning. Boys are taught never to cause a girl harm from the time they are born, you know the old saying you never hit a girl even if she hits you. So perhaps your natural instinct goes along with that.

Hm, that could be the case. Though my subconscious would have to be doing some serious acrobatics to allow me to enjoy torturing girls if its still against hurting girls.

 

[Skipadeedoodah]

Perhaps because you don't want to actually cause physical damage or injury to someone. Tickling doesn't do that.

 

[solescratcher99]

I get turned off by pain as well, so I think it has to do with the fact that tickling and other forms of BSDM are separate categories. One is about forcing the person into a better mood (tickling is pretty strongly associated with socialization) and the other is about inflicting pain onto someone.

Two completely separate issues, IMHO.