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Partial mask for shy ticklees?

The Last Laugh

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Hello everyone,

I was wondering if having a model wear a partial mask is a big problem for many people. I mean a mask that hides the upper face but reveals the lower face, including the mouth.

Sometimes a mask can be used for style, but in some cases it might be a valid compromise for a model who isn't entirely comfortable with posing for a commercial vid if her whole face can be seen but might be ok if her face is partially concealed.

Good for the model, but what about the people watching the video? Let's say a model is wearing a simple mask that covers her general eye area, or maybe a bit more, like some kind of Phantom of the Opera thing (but it hides both sides of the face instead of just half). Her lower face is visible, her mouth is free to laugh out loud, and even her eyes can be seen. It also does nothing to hide her hair. But still, part of her features are hidden. Is this a turn off for many people? How important is it to see the model's whole face?

Note that I would really prefer not to use something like this in a video, but what if I had a shy model with excellent potential and the only way I could convince her to pose is to let her wear a partial mask? Would it be worth it, or would it make such a session pointless, the mask ruining the whole thing?

If you have any thoughts, please don't hesitate to send them this way. Thanks.
 
Masked ticklers and ticklees always freaked me out. But that's just me.
 
since you asked…

I’m S/M inclined so my opinion may be biased that way, but a big leather blindfold that covers her eyes and part of the cheekbones would be my first choice. It looks sexy, the girl remains anonymous and it definitely adds to the dominance/submission aspect of the scene. In the appropriate mindset she may even become more receptive to the tickling.
As for masks, I hate rubber/latex Halloween masks or superhero masks. I think they’re tacky. I nice female venetian mask would do if you insist on showing her eyes.
 
I personally want to be able to see the ticklees face. If the tickler wears a mask, I don't see the problem, but in my opinion the ticklee shouldn't!!!
 
I'd rather not see a masked ticklee. Blindfold is OK, but not during the whole vid.

As for masked MALE 'ler, I don't care one way or the other. FEMALE 'ler should not be masked.

Strelnikov
 
anything......and I do mean anything that makes a ticklee feel more comfortable about sharing herself being tickled like crazy to the public view is a GOOD thing. If given a choice between seeing no girl being tickled vs. seeing a partially masked girl being tickled, geeeee......that's not a hard decision.
Especially since there are lees who would love to participate but are worried about their professional careers being ruined by not being anonymous somehow. Why deny her wish for something as trivial as a partial mask? Guarantee more people would rather see tickling than not see tickling.
 
Strelnikov said:
I'd rather not see a masked ticklee. Blindfold is OK, but not during the whole vid.

As for masked MALE 'ler, I don't care one way or the other. FEMALE 'ler should not be masked.

Strelnikov

As a female, I for one prefer an unmasked handsome MALE 'ler with that dominant glint in his eye :devil:. I'm sure I speak for other women out there as well. A female 'ler can wear a partial mask if it's sexy and goes with her outfit.

Bella
 
Hmm, I seem to have neglected commenting on the feedback this thread has attracted. Let me correct this.

Pluma said:
I’m S/M inclined so my opinion may be biased that way, but a big leather blindfold that covers her eyes and part of the cheekbones would be my first choice.

Interesting option. However, while I'm sure having a model wear a blindfold for an entire video can be very appropriate for some types of videos, in my own videos I think the eyes should be seen, at least most of the time.

It looks sexy, the girl remains anonymous and it definitely adds to the dominance/submission aspect of the scene. [/QUOTE]

It can be a nice look in some cases, but the dominance/submission aspect is something I need to downplay with the models I work with, even if it is part of what tickling is about.

In the appropriate mindset she may even become more receptive to the tickling. [/QUOTE]

I totally agree with that. A blindfold can make a model a little nervous, jumpy, but in a good way, and it can increase her sensitivity in a significant way. But like I said, in my case I need to have the model be able to see for most of the video. Or rather, I need customers to be able to see her eyes. So I do intend to use a blinfold on a regular basis, but only as part of a scene or two in a video, not as a permanent accessory. And if I don't use the blindfold for the whole thing I still need some kind of mask, at least for a model who won't pose without one.

As for masks, I hate rubber/latex Halloween masks or superhero masks. I think they’re tacky. I nice female venetian mask would do if you insist on showing her eyes. [/QUOTE]

I also agree with that. Most masks do look kinda cheesy, like those you mention. But, assuming I really had to use a mask for a video, the venitian mask suggestion is a good one. Some kind of simple, tasteful half-mask that covers the eye area and that doesn't look too fancy. Of course, there are some contexts that call for fancier masks, but in my case it's really just functional, not a matter of style, so I prefer a simpler approach.


ForgottenTcklr said:
I personally want to be able to see the ticklees face. If the tickler wears a mask, I don't see the problem, but in my opinion the ticklee shouldn't!!!

I also prefer to see the face of a ticklee. It's best for seeing her expressions, and you get a better idea what she looks like. Most of the time I won't use a mask. But I was wondering if a mask could be acceptable if a girl with excellent tickling potential makes it a requirement, or else she doesn't pose at all. I'd rather work with her in a partial mask than not at all.


Strelnikov said:
As for masked MALE 'ler, I don't care one way or the other. FEMALE 'ler should not be masked.

I'd say a female tickler could use a mask if the context of a scene called for it, but I don't really intend to do videos with that kind of baroque look. Masked female ticklers will be very rare in my videos.

As for male ticklers, like myself for instance, I don't know.
To be frank I'd really rather avoid showing my face as much as possible. Not that I mind it that much, but I know it would bug many people, so I prefer to be as discreet as possible. I could simply try to stay out of the frame, only my hands and arms visible, but in practice doing so can seriously limit the skill of the tickler, as he's constantly trying to lean away while doing it, often only having access to one side of the ticklee at a time. A mask would give me more freedom, but I'm worried about looking silly. Well, I don't mind looking silly per se, but I would mind it if it annoyed customers.

If I were to wear a mask I'd lean between a full-headed black mask, something that looks a bit like a ninja cowl but without a slit for the eyes (you can see through it, somewhat) and a simple expressionless theater mask. Or both, the theater mask in front of the black background that is the cowl (looks pretty cool, but would it work for a tickling video?) But again, I'm worried some people wouldn't like that very much.


Wilson said:
anything......and I do mean anything that makes a ticklee feel more comfortable about sharing herself being tickled like crazy to the public view is a GOOD thing. If given a choice between seeing no girl being tickled vs. seeing a partially masked girl being tickled, geeeee......that's not a hard decision.
Especially since there are lees who would love to participate but are worried about their professional careers being ruined by not being anonymous somehow. Why deny her wish for something as trivial as a partial mask? Guarantee more people would rather see tickling than not see tickling.

Well, I can understand why many people would mind having a model wearing a mask, even a partial one. I prefer seeing the whole face myself. But I share your opinion that a partial mask that leaves the eyes and lower face uncovered is better than not having the girl pose at all. Otherwise it would seem like a waste of good tickling potential.

I actually have a friend who normally would be happy to pose for a commercial video (much to my surprise). And since she's the girl I've tickled the most often when I was a teen (she's the sister of the guy who was by best friend in those days) I already know she has excellent potential. She doesn't shatter glass, but she's very easy to tickle and has nice constant reactions. She's also ticklish all over, including (especially?) on her feet.

The problem is that she teaches swimming, and many of her students are kids. She's worried about parents finding out about her posing for a tk video. She realizes chances of that are extremely slim, and it's only non-nude tickling anyway, but she still prefers not to take the chance. A very, very disappointing and frustrating situation, especially considering how hard it is to find decent models. She's the main reason why I've been thinking about partial masks. I haven't suggested it to her yet, so I don't know if it would make a difference, but I wanted to know if it would be a viable compromise from a commercial point of view before asking her. I'm still not sure about that. Opinions seem to vary a lot.


bella said:
As a female, I for one prefer an unmasked handsome MALE 'ler with that dominant glint in his eye . I'm sure I speak for other women out there as well. A female 'ler can wear a partial mask if it's sexy and goes with her outfit.

Hehe, I understand your point of view perfectly, Bella, and if I were in your place I guess that might be my favorite approach too. Unfortunately, I can't say that I'm handsome by many people's standards, so I doubt showing my face a lot would be much appreciated. If anything, many people might prefer to see me masked, even if they don't like masks that much.

As for a "dominant glint in the eye", that sounds pretty neat, but I have to be careful not to intimidate the models I work with, considering they are ordinary people from everyday life. Some might get nervous and leave if they thought I was being overly sadistic and was enjoying myself too much, even if it's just in the facial expression.
 
Francois A said:
Hehe, I understand your point of view perfectly, Bella, and if I were in your place I guess that might be my favorite approach too. Unfortunately, I can't say that I'm handsome by many people's standards, so I doubt showing my face a lot would be much appreciated. If anything, many people might prefer to see me masked, even if they don't like masks that much.

As for a "dominant glint in the eye", that sounds pretty neat, but I have to be careful not to intimidate the models I work with, considering they are ordinary people from everyday life. Some might get nervous and leave if they thought I was being overly sadistic and was enjoying myself too much, even if it's just in the facial expression. [/B]

Francois,

Don't sell yourself short! This "I'm not handsome/beautiful enough" mentality has ruined more than one video by inhibiting the players. We hetero female video consumers rarely get to see the face of the male tickler anymore, with all of it's fun expressions that 'get' to us and enhance the viewing experience. And as far as that dominant glint, I'm talking about that delicious and devilish look that *all* good ticklers get, nothing scary or sadistic.

Many companies these days put all emphasis on the 'lee if the 'ler is a male. As a fellow producer I realize that's what many customers want, but many are still left unsatisfied. Try a little of both!

Bella
 
For "effect" a mask could be a good idea for the tickler but the 'lees' face should be seen in its' hysterical glory!
Unless it is a lee who is appearing in a video and wishes to "mask" her/his identity.


Stop wait, who was that masked tickler? (As a cloud of feathers are left in her/his wake)


TTD
 
Francois,

I've seen very well-done videos where the ticklee and tickler were "masked" well enough to hide their identities. One in particular that comes to mind is TC's (then Femfeet's) first "Happy Hour," I believe.

In that one, there is a female who first tickled several other females, and then wound up on the receiving end of some terrific tickling herself.

The "mask" only covered the upper part of her face, but completely kept her from being recoignizable. It in no way negetively impacted my impression of that video. Why? Because the ticklees were VERY ticklish and the tickling was INTENSE! That's all we really need. The rest is "window dressing!"

By the way-- you about due to come out with a new video yet? Your first one was really good, but it's been awhile...
 
bella said:


Don't sell yourself short! This "I'm not handsome/beautiful enough" mentality has ruined more than one video by inhibiting the players.

Hello Bella,

Thank you very much for your encouraging words!

I realize that it's not the healthiest mentality to have. But whether I like it or not, if I want to please as many customers as possible, I have to be realistic and accept that many people simply won't like seeing my face in my videos. A preference for M/F is far from rare, but F/F seems to be a favorite among the community. Heck, it's my own preference. And I feel that if one is to enjoy M/F scenes, the male tickler should ideally look ok enough, even if the viewer is a hetero male.

I'm not saying that I'm an eyesore, but I really don't fit the description of what I consider an acceptable tickler from a physical point of view. To be honest, I wouldn't buy a video in which the main visible tickler was a guy who looked like me, so I must assume it's the same for a number of potential customers. It's not a question of putting myself down. It's a question of being realistic, and trying to find a compromise that satisfies most people. If I don't appear much in my videos, people likely to be offended by my appearance won't be offended much.

That's an excellent point you brought up, about inhibition. However, I don't think it applies that much to myself. As the producer and guy in charge of the entire project, I don't feel handicapped by this somewhat self-negative attitude beyond the physical annoyance of trying to avoid appearing in a video too much (it's a little harder to tickle well when avoiding the camera). The problem is not of a psychological nature in my case. It would be a problem if one of the models felt that way, as I imagine she mght indeed hold back somewhat. But overall I'm happy to say it's usually not the case. The simple fact that I select them seems to be enough reassurance for the models. Otherwise they would drop out, and it would become a moot point.



We hetero female video consumers rarely get to see the face of the male tickler anymore, with all of it's fun expressions that 'get' to us and enhance the viewing experience. And as far as that dominant glint, I'm talking about that delicious and devilish look that *all* good ticklers get, nothing scary or sadistic.
[...]
Many companies these days put all emphasis on the 'lee if the 'ler is a male. As a fellow producer I realize that's what many customers want, but many are still left unsatisfied. Try a little of both!

That's an interesting point of view, and I can see how it can be frustrating. However, besides the fact that I'm a hetero male, there's also the fact that, even though I'm not especially active as a ticklephile, when I do engage in such activities I'm 100% a tickler, not at all a ticklee. This makes it hard for me to come up with a video from a ticklee's point of view. I know that people really enjoy that perspective, as you do, and that's fine by me, but I don't really understand it myself. To me it's almost like it's a different fetish. So my videos, like most other tickling videos I guess, are made with the "tickler-oriented" customer in mind, someone who enjoys seeing a ticklee get tickled because s/he likes tickling other people, not because s/he'd like to be in her place. It's hard to make a good video about something one doesn't understand. It would be like asking the average joe to produce a commercial tickling video. For all I know the result could very well end up being interesting, but on average an actual ticklephile is more likely to know what other ticklephiles enjoy and how the video should be done (though I admit that even in such a case the producer can still totally blow it).

Another issue is that my models are just regular girls, and to most people this project is pretty damn weird, and the adult/fetish nature of the market can be intimidating to them. I consider myself lucky enough to get a few willing models with decent potential. I prefer not to push my luck by playing the part of the playful yet slightly sadistic tickler too much. Keeping a stone face wouldn't be a good idea either, but I have to remain moderate. Otherwise some models might get the wrong idea. I imagine some are already borderline about posing as it is. That's part of why I tend to let other models take care of most of the tickling. Since they're usually friends, they tend to be more comfortable tickling each other. If one of the girls really gets into her role as a tickler and gets an hilariously devilish look in her eyes as she tickles her friend/sister, then great. But I prefer to be careful with my own behavior.

I guess that's not quite what you had in mind. I'm afraid my videos will remain mostly F/F, and whatever M/F they'll feature will remain fairly discreet. I'm really sorry if I might not be able to produce videos that fit your preference. It's just that I prefer not to risk failing at producing a video about something I don't understand very well.

Note that I can understand the frustration of people who are disappointed with not seeing more videos that suit their personal tastes and thus feel neglected by the industry. I mean, I, like many others, was disappointed (and somewhat mystified) with the small selection of non-nude, down to earth tickling videos. That why I started my own little company.

Anyway, I truly hope you still manage to find a number of videos out there that suit your preference.

TickledToDeath said:


For "effect" a mask could be a good idea for the tickler but the 'lees' face should be seen in its' hysterical glory!
Unless it is a lee who is appearing in a video and wishes to "mask" her/his identity.

I don't have any plans to use a mask for its own sake. I might use special outfits and/or contexts from time to time, but nothing like masks used purely for aesthetic reasons. I agree that seeing the facial expressions of the ticklee is the best, or at least that's my personal preference.

If I ever do use a half-mask (which reveals the eyes and the lower face, which includes the mouth area of course), it will be to hide the identity of a model with good potential who would otherwise be too shy to pose or would feel it would represent a threat (no matter how insignificant) to her reputation. After all, many people work closely with the public and have positions that involve a certain level of authority, or respect from the people they work with, and some feel that such a video would damage such a relationship. A teacher is a good example of this. I don't think it's much of a risk, but I have to respect people's decisions when it comes to posing or not, no matter what the reasons.

execmail77 said:


I've seen very well-done videos where the ticklee and tickler were "masked" well enough to hide their identities.
[...]
The "mask" only covered the upper part of her face, but completely kept her from being recognizable. It in no way negetively impacted my impression of that video. Why? Because the ticklees were VERY ticklish and the tickling was INTENSE! That's all we really need. The rest is "window dressing!"

I'm pleased that this thread is getting a number of replies that support the use of a half-mask in some situations. I prefer when the face of a ticklee is completely visible, but it's possible that I'll eventually deal with a candidate that has excellent potential but is somewhat reluctant to pose because she's worried of being recognized by someone she knows (like that's likely to happen). It's possible that a half-mask compromise might convince her to participate. If that's all it takes, and if I know that a reasonable percentage of people would be ok with it (without necessarily preferring it), then I'd be happy to accomodate such a model.

Actually, I do have such a girl in mind. I mean, I haven't actually offered her the mask option yet, but I know that if it weren't for her job which involves dealing with children (swimming teacher) she would be happy to pose. Since she's the sister of the guy who used to be my best friend as a teen and she also happens to be the girl I've tickled the most often, I already know she'd make an excellent model. I'd like to ask her again, this time mentioning the mask. I'm far from sure it would be enough, but it's worth a try. But if most people don't like the idea, it might not be worth it after all. Although a fair number of people seem to think it's an acceptable solution. I personally think it's better to use a half-mask than not do a session at all, assuming the model is very ticklish. But I'm not 100% sure it would be worthwhile from a commercial viewpoint.

Note that I still have a hard time accepting the fact that wearing a half-mask makes it impossible, or at least very hard, for someone to recognize an acquaintance. Is it really that effective? Is the entire face required to have a good chance of recognizing someone? What about the voice? Isn't that somewhat of a givaway? Just curious.



By the way-- you about due to come out with a new video yet? Your first one was really good, but it's been awhile...

Thank you for the compliment about LLA. As for a new video, I realize it's been a very long time, and I apologize for it. I'm not especially happy about the delay myself. However, as it happens, I did a commercially oriented session (as opposed to a simple audition session that can't be used for sale) just yesterday. I'll need some time to process the footage, make some samples, update my web site, etc., but I'm confident I'll be able to release the final product in the near future. I'll make sure everyone on the TMF hears about it. I've also accumulated a number of potentially interesting candidates, so I might be able to offer videos on a more regular basis in the future. At least I hope.
 
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