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Poly Relationships: For or Against. Why?

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And I believe you are missing the point that this claim is simply, factually wrong. Majority rule didn't even have any meaning in Western society until about 250 years ago, and a lot of the institutions we now have (including straight monogamous marriage) were established long before that, by people who didn't even ask the majority for an opinion.

On what planet?

You would be wrong. I have two wives, but the state and federal government recognizes only one of them. This affects us nearly every day, in ways both large and small.

you are entitled to your opinion, and that is terrrible if you deal with that on a daily basis. But I will respectfully disagree with much of what you just stated about majority rule. When things are not majority rule then you have governments being overthrown and complete anarchy.
 
It sounds as though Ms Chaos just isn't cut out for poly, so I'm guessing such negotiations simply wouldn't work for her.

So very true... and at the risk of having my head bitten off I'm gonna post here again.

I respect the choices you make for yourself. But I disagree in the fact that most adults don`t know about poly. It is still very common in some cultures. I am assuming you are talking more about North America. There are still small sects that practice poly today. It has been around as long as have people. The fact that the majority tend to go for a monogamous relationship over the centuries is how it has ended up by majority rules. If poly works for you, then more power to you!

Exactly!

I never said that I disagreed with it. I never said I was against folks who chose this as their lifestyle. Hell... I don't care if ya'll fill your houses with folks willing to see to it that you never lack for love, laughter, sex, help with chores and bills and who would take care of you when you get sick.
Good god, raising kids, taking care of a house and yard, seeking to further your education and coping with the daily rising of the cost of living is no picnic and the more folks to help out certainly would ease the burden on everyone.

All I did was answer a thread where it was asked

...who of you are For the aspects of a poly relationship and those that are either neutral or against it. And why, if you'd like to go into further detail.

What you do in your houses, bedrooms and lives has absolutely no affect on MY life whatsoever. I haven't noticed a change in how things are going for me just because there are those of you out there who seek out more than one love in your life, just as I am sure that my preference of having just one love in my life has not affected any of you.

All I did was answer a question and say that it wasn't for me and stated the reason why... just as the thread asked.
 
you are entitled to your opinion, and that is terrrible if you deal with that on a daily basis. But I will respectfully disagree with much of what you just stated about majority rule. When things are not majority rule then you have governments being overthrown and complete anarchy.
If you really believe that then I invite you to review the history of the Roman Empire and the development of serfdom.

The word "monarchy" means "rule by one." There's a reason for that.
 
Wow, this one took off...


I understand wholly. 🙂 However, there are some folks out there that are against it in however/whatever term you want to place it. And they shouldn't feel like they're 'wrong' for not always being for it.

I think the problem I have with this statement is the "feelings" issue. Nowhere is there a rule that says a person or people have a right to never feel like they're "wrong" (feel bad). If there was, I could as easily say that those who practice a poly lifestyle shouldn't be made to feel like they're "wrong" for not being in a more conventionally defined relationship... ...which on it's face feels right, but then it precludes the right of those who feel the need to express their opposition, because that expression would make polys feel bad.

If you're going to start offering rights to not feel "bad" or "wrong", it'll have to be limited. Whose rights then, do you hold above the other? What lifestyle do you authorize, and which do you condemn?

People have a right to live their lives, and people have a right to express themselves. None of them have a right to never feel bad.

Polys cope with personal criticism of their lifestyle regularly (watch Bill O'Reilly sometime on the matter of gay marriage: it'll open the gates to multiple marriages, or marrying fish, or bagels (which we all know is wrong! There'll be chaos in the streets! Dogs will marry fire hydrants! :hmm:)).

People who offer criticism need to learn to cope (just like polys do) with the fact that some people will have differing opinions, and they'll sometimes have to feel like others think they're "wrong", too.
 
This has been a very interesting thread to read. Thanks to everyone putting in their two cents. Now its time for mine...

First, some housekeeping...

#1. We are an egocentric species. Its a survival mechanism, but because of it, when people state their opinions on things, some of us tend to blow it way out of the water and then the discussions begin to broaden from the individual to the GP in general.

#2. Poly is hard. It is damn hard. So is monogamy. So is any form of relationship. If you are not having problems, then something is wrong with your relationship!

#3. "Majority rule" is not the only form of rule out there. Do not use ours as an example of "majority rule" because we are not ruled by the majority as that phrase suggests a Democracy, which we are not and were never intended to be. If we were ruled by the majority, do you think we would have the economic troubles we do now? That the "majority", the lower middle class, would be loosing their homes and in massive debt? Majority shapes culture along with religious and governmental influences. Technology, ie: the car example, is NOT "majority rule". It is ruled by available technology, current economy, and (the biggest factor) the companies developing the tech.

#4. polyamory is "many loves" and there are many ways to love. Sex is a side effect of the body's reaction to arousal that is triggered by its drive to procreate. Intense, romantic love exists without sexual contact.

Now on to the heart of the matter...

I was poly. I was in relationships with three other people who I loved dearly, each in their own ways. They all knew of the others and were very close as well. My relationships with these other individuals involved BDSM as well, however you will find many poly relationships outside of D/s. The key in either case is consent, open communication and an understanding that each person has the right to be complete and whole. For some, they do not receive everything they feel they need from a singular person. They must make the decision to conform to the more accepted monogamous relationship and only be 75% content or to broach a poly relationship and be 90% content. How much is that extra bit worth to them? And to their partners?

I said I was poly. I had left the poly life when I fell in love with my Love because with him alone, I am at that 90% and I wanted to concentrate solely on him and our relationship. Do I still love my past partners? Yes. Did they understand? Yes, completely. Would we every both return to poly? Yes. In a heartbeat, but only once we both were completely secure in our relationship together and were ready to share our love with someone else we felt strongly for.

Like I said... my two cents...
 
...it's not really the government's business who you can marry or how many.

I agree totally.

I have two wives, but the state and federal government recognizes only one of them. This affects us nearly every day, in ways both large and small.

And that sucks... especially when it comes to legal matters concerning health care benefits, life insurance, spousal inheritance and the rest of the perks that come with being married.

But for not one minute should you think that just because I feel something is not for me that it is something I frown upon or disagree with.

Last time I checked the place I live in is said to be the land of the free and to this date I really haven't seen that yet. We aren't really free to do much of anything. Hell... we even have to ask permission to add a room onto our own houses even though it affects no one but ourselves... so why is it that folks are surprised and upset when the same folks who regulate what plants we can place in our yards, what books we can read, what discipline we can give to our children, how many fish we can catch and what kind of sex we can have in our own bedrooms also tells us whom and how many folks we can marry? This is how things are gonna be as long as closed minded folks are running the show. And I don't see that changing anytime soon.
 
I have leaned towards poly ever since I read Robert Heinlen as a teenager. It just seemed so...awesome.

It also happens to require a lot of personal insight and willingness to work on oneself to make it work. But am one of those types who refuses to let social conditioning define me or my world. This is my life, after all. It should reflect who I am.

I'm not "pro-poly" in the sense that I think it's the BEST way and everyone should be doing it. But it definitely works for us.
 
People who offer criticism need to learn to cope (just like polys do) with the fact that some people will have differing opinions, and they'll sometimes have to feel like others think they're "wrong", too.

More or less what I had initially stated.

Thanks for the input. :hello:
 
I have a question for the poly types.

Do you not feel the need to be specially regarded by "that one special person" as their "one special person" in return?

Do you not feel insecure or dissatisfied at the notion that the person you are with is themselves unsatisfied unless they can be with one or more additional people as well, who are at least as important to them as you are?

Given the history of the human race, countless cultures for thousands of years have embraced monogamy; with the "societal norm" being one-on-one relationships, at least for the moment, you're honestly not bothered by not being uniquely special and on your own level with the love of your life?

I realize that love may be infinite, but time and energy certainly aren't; there's only so much to go around.

As a side question... monogamous couples who've been together for decades talk about how they still continue to learn more about each other after all of that time. If you're splitting your time with three or four other people, do you feel you're getting to know, love, and appreciate them as much as you would if you found a "one special person" of your own?
 
Do you not feel the need to be specially regarded by "that one special person" as their "one special person" in return?

There are a lot of different ways polyamorous relationships can be structured. One common way, which happens to be the way Lindy and I structure our relationship, is to have a primary partner and some number of secondary partners. Lindy and I are each others most special persons. We are married to each other, live with each other, and anticipate spending the rest of our lives together. And we have certain forms of physical intimacy that we reserve for just the two of us.

I absolutely feel loved and special with Lindy, and the fact that she has intimate romantic relationships with others does not diminish that at all for me, and I believe she feels the same way.

Do you not feel insecure or dissatisfied at the notion that the person you are with is themselves unsatisfied unless they can be with one or more additional people as well, who are at least as important to them as you are?

I feel neither insecure nor dissatisfied. In our relationship, Lindy is primarily a 'lee, and even though I am capable of tickling her, it really isn't all that satisfying for either of us. But I know how important being really tickled well is for her, so it makes me very happy to know that she can find people who can make her happy by filling that deep need in a way that I can not.

Given the history of the human race, countless cultures for thousands of years have embraced monogamy; with the "societal norm" being one-on-one relationships, at least for the moment, you're honestly not bothered by not being uniquely special and on your own level with the love of your life?

I'm not sure I understand or follow your connection between the history of monogamy with the notion of people each other's "one special person". And I think the history of human romantic relationships is a lot more diverse than you realize. In fact, very, very few people are strictly monogamous, having a but a single sex partner throughout their entire lives. Even most nominally monogamous people may only have one parter at a time, but will have several different partners through the course of their lives, and a non-trivial number participate in non-consentual non-monogamy (i.e. cheating).

And no, I am honestly, truly not bothered that my partner has other partners that she holds as special in some way.

I realize that love may be infinite, but time and energy certainly aren't; there's only so much to go around.

Yes, this is very true. Time and energy are certainly constraints, and time management is a very real concern for practicing polyamorists. But they may not be as constraining as you believe.

As a side question... monogamous couples who've been together for decades talk about how they still continue to learn more about each other after all of that time. If you're splitting your time with three or four other people, do you feel you're getting to know, love, and appreciate them as much as you would if you found a "one special person" of your own?

Lindy is my primary partner, and we have been together for nearly a decade now. And we do continue to learn and grow together as a couple. I don't feel like the time that we have spent with other partners has in any way negatively impacted our relationship with each other. As we have both mentioned frequently on these forums, we believe that it has in fact greatly enhanced our relationship.
 
Now why can't MY controversial threads be this entertaining and civil? After reading through most of all this, I figured I'll add my own alien perspective in on it.

I've always divided the sexual morality people into 2 groups:
1) Those who cannot relate to the variants
2) Those who judge by the book
In the former, its the people who are 100% straight/monogamous and cannot FEEL anything about those who are not; they don't necessarily hate, they just don't get it. The latter are the people who base their value system on the protocols...they rail against homosexuals or see them as bad because they're obligated to according to the "rules" (e.g. The Bible). I often wonder how those in #2 manage to be so malleable as to be able to let an outside source determine their every choice: they literally filter their feelings and develop reactions through an artificially implanted sieve. Of course, since this "sieve" is built of unquestionable fiber (i.e. "God's Will/Word is Law"), they never question it...if they feel anything contradicting it inside, they suppress it or attempt to re-educate themselves. And this is where I get started...

Like many of my own threads have stated before, I figure most of the issue is based on perspective, which is usually affected by invisible or subliminal influences that we largely aren't aware of, and tend to defend rather vigorously (you might say that was one factor in the failed circumcision thread). So when it comes to the concept of polyamory, you have to stand WAY THE HELL back and examine the oldest or most distant parts of the concept.

Human societies don't exist in a vacuum: they tend to influence each other in the moment and those experiences/memories influence those who come later. It's the way packs become communities and how communities become civic collective; its a telescoping effect built on standardized practices and shared information over time. And just as prostitution might be the world's oldest profession, so too might marriage be the oldest institution, and so as a result, you have several thousand years worth of collected ideas cross-pollinating and combining and evolving with trends, revolutions, cultural shifts, and even environmental changes.

For purposes of this discussion, we're talking about love. And most of the attitudes coming up tend to be based on Variant Indo-European Union Architecture and Abrahamic Sexual Morality. Both of these influences have a distance of about 2,000 years apart, so maybe this can account for double-standardization that we might see.

VI-EUA is the younger model, based on modified Abrahamic codes cross-pollinated with pagan European cultural models. The Post-Roman world underwent a complete renovation and gutting of the old practices in order to replace them with the "newer, better" Christian ways...one reason i think Christianity took hold so well is the central conceit that the Final Message had been delivered by Jesus and that invigorated the already imperialist Romanized cultures still behind...the whole "waiting for the Messiah" humility of the Jews probably didn't resonate very well with aristocracy. So with the pantheons, the Antiquity Age philosophies went with it, and the extended musings of the Greeks, the Romans, and others--ironically, it was the Arabs and later the Muslims who would inherit and protect these ideologies, only to reject them centuries later--were replaced with the absolutism of the Judeo-Christian morality system.

The Greeks had many different notions of love--most of them now illegal--but they had about as many different names for love as Eskimos do for snow. It was not a fixed concept, whereas in the Abrahamic tradition, it becomes one, and a concept mutually tied to obligatory behavior: "love", as it is in the Jewish tradition, is more of an act of obedience than of personal satisfaction, and if you raise a person to associate happiness with pleasing others, then they can interpret happiness reactively rather than subjectively...basing their feelings on the approval/disapproval of others.

Incidentally, this is similar to how abused children can interpret a punch in the face or rape as a sign of affection: act on it and reinforce a perception about it and you can make someone love what they hate.

With this in mind, you didn't have to believe, because you could gain benefits just by doing--what Queen Victoria would later summarize in her famous phrase "Lie back and think of England"--and a long history of hypocritical behavior by popes and potentates pervaded until the various revolutions later evolved and resisted them. But even these resistances based themselves on the older Abrahamic template...they didn't abandon it, they just eliminated the aristocratic notions. So what you have is a palimpset: a collection of conflicting ancient cultural practices with radical reactionist philosophies and the result is a mess of "why do we do that?" That continues today.

Abrahamic Sexual Morality (i.e. the moral defenses/oppositions to sexual practices) are based on Jewish Sexual Laws, which are a form of property management. The Abrahamic religions (Judaism, Islam, Christianity) and their cultures are all based on a nomadic desert tribal culture, where strict unanimity and resource distribution are the central tenets of group survival; any variation or exemption can cause disastrous disarray because of the fluctuating nature of life quality--the changing state of resources (water, game, shelter, etc.) kept them from forming the specialized departments/ministries of governance that are made to handle variances in lifestyles--and therefore required violent rehabilitation to keep people in line. It would make sense that a people at the mercy of the harsh elements would adopt/believe in a deity with a similar temperament and emphasis on group conformity. And if this deity (YHWH/Elohim, Jehovah, Allah) were the central authority, then the moral, cultural, infrastructural (etc.) protocols of the culture would be attributed to Him and His will (i.e. values/perceptions) would mirror the community as well. And they would thus be considered obligatory and intractable.

So, since this is a culture living a hardscrabble existence in an increasingly agrarian--and soon to be industrialized--polytheistic world, life becomes an endless series of mortal threats...and so childbearing becomes an almost obsessive and even mandated concern for the group, especially if your infant mortality rate is as high as it was. Combine that with rampant xenophobia--which would happen to any isolated group surrounded by larger, stronger, centralized communities--and you then have a concept of purity, and ethnic obligation, as well as filial piety. So, the people in the community would, in turn develop concepts/perceptions of pair bonding that MATCH the collective (read: Divine) value system.

Basic psychology: individuals in a group assimilate into a whole unit (mob mentality). So, convince an individual to associate self-identity with the larger group and their value system will evolve to synchronize.

So the Abrahamic Sexual Laws are utilized because they were a way of ensuring a sole line of blood lineage, in order to determine the inheritance of the resources and authority in the family. If a woman breeds with another man, or a man impregnates another women, then you have a division of family, and then a division of resources...this could be disastrous when determining who would be next in line for any leadership positions. In fact, we have the same legal concerns today: think of how many fights, disputes, kidnappings, and murders have occurred over disputes with half-siblings and second wives/husbands concerning matters of inheritance or estate...maybe it's always been that way. But because Abrahamic laws are bound to religious foundation, and because religious value systems are based on dichotomies of absolutes (EVIL/GOOD), the variations of lifestyle become interpreted along those lines. Hence, why homosexuals are always attacked by religious groups.

ALL THIS is the basis for how our culture formed: we formed into a progressive egalitarian variant of an Abrahamic culture...and that's a problem because the 2 are TOTALLY INCOMPATIBLE, although it would take a few centuries for those discrepancies to reach a mass critical enough to observe.

Most other cultures that adopt this modernist approach are ABSTENTIONIST cultures: if it doesn't endanger lives, the government, or personal safety, then it's none of the government's business. Abrahamic cultures and those influenced by them (America) are INTERVENTIONIST cultures: like their nomadic forebears, certain behavior is WRONG REGARDLESS OF ANY OTHER OTHER CONSIDERATION AND MUST BE ACTIVELY STOPPED...or "society will collapse!"

So since these influences have been given to us our entire lives, we tend to form reactionary opinions to certain issue without thinking about them...and when we do, we tend to side towards the ones that make us comfortable (i.e. familiar). So it's one thing to think about polyamory as wrong because of your conclusions on biology/evolution or based on your own personal inability to relate to it...but its another to have the same attitude because SOMEONE ELSE TAUGHT YOU TO THINK THAT WAY.

In that case, your opinion was contaminated...you never developed it on your own. You didn't research it, examine it, study it, interview practitioners, collect data and form an informed opinion, you just borrowed or recited what someone else imprinted in you; studies have also shown that the human brain is designed to receive a small chemical high and actively seek out information that reinforces a personal belief system, but WHERE DID THAT BELIEF/VALUE system come from? Did it emerge preternaturally from inside or did it get positively/negatively reinforced by others?

So, based on my attempts to form an opinion based on cause-effect rather than influence, I see no logical reason to think of polyamory as anything detrimental to human relationships. There is no definite proof that humans are naturally monogamous or polyamorous (in fact, given the genetic differentiations--e.g. race--in humans, it possible that there are different reproductive programs in humans). Like all relationships, it carries with it a certain amount of structural and psychological complications and benefits, and therefore requires a balance of properly calibrated personalities and chemistry to work. The tendency towards monogamy or polyamory is LIKELY--not proven--to be a personality-driven characteristic more than socially enforced, although external influences can nourish/atrophy in either direction.

Polyamoroy has its own structural integrity requirements...and if those requirements are met, then there's no reason it cannot function as an efficient system.
 
Do you not feel the need to be specially regarded by "that one special person" as their "one special person" in return?
Some do, some don't. As Icycle mentioned, those that do tend to have primary and secondary partners. I have two primaries - which may break your brain, but just take my word for it.

Do you not feel insecure or dissatisfied at the notion that the person you are with is themselves unsatisfied unless they can be with one or more additional people as well, who are at least as important to them as you are?
Not really. As long as I know my partner will return to me, why should I feel insecure? If she's happy, why should I be unhappy? Insisting that she be happy only in one specific way would feel selfish to me.

Given the history of the human race, countless cultures for thousands of years have embraced monogamy; with the "societal norm" being one-on-one relationships, at least for the moment, you're honestly not bothered by not being uniquely special and on your own level with the love of your life?
Some version of poly relationships is fairly common worldwide. It's even in the Bible. But no, I'm honestly not bothered.

Of course, you are making one mistake: you believe that I'm not "uniquely special" to my wives. I am. And they are uniquely special to each other. And each of them, in her own way, is uniquely special to me. You just need to take some of the limitations off your definition of "unique." You have it confused with "exclusive."

As a side question... monogamous couples who've been together for decades talk about how they still continue to learn more about each other after all of that time. If you're splitting your time with three or four other people, do you feel you're getting to know, love, and appreciate them as much as you would if you found a "one special person" of your own?
After nearly 30 years with my wife I know her as well as her own sister does - perhaps even better in some ways. I don't think I could know her much better even if she was my "one and only."

However your question really contains its own answer: if a poly relationship has lasted for decades, then it can't be working too badly, can it?
 
I might also add...

I might also add that in the aforementioned miasma of cultural influence, that concepts of love and obligation tend to get wrapped up in the popular fiction that we are exposed to on a daily basis. This tradition precedes the modern marvel in the form of poetry and the like, but in the literary world, concepts of love as we understand it today were displayed and canonized in Romantic Era works that championed a return to magical realism, a kind of narrative device that ambiguously incorporated inexplicable yet spiritually charged underpinnings and themes as well as Deus Ex Machina resolutions to their stories.

The Romantic era literature, which was very popular, was a reaction to the Enlightenment, which was seen as a movement that sucked all the passion and spontaneity out of the culture. Romantic Era writing sought to return passion to their work, and that explains the creation of stories from The Castle of Otranto, to Frankenstein, Vanity Fair, and the works of the Bronte's, all of them detailing the class system's oppressive treatment of women and the poor and championing the victory tragedy of the underdog to find his/her destiny and the love of another whom understands them.

Add this exaggerated pospect of love, the common literary trope of finding the "one true love" that one was destined to find, and unite it with an increasingly Christian culture in industrializing countries where agrarian and village/pack value systems are the glue holding the society together, and you have yourself the emergence of the trend of romantic love and the pressure to marry. And this was the pleasant version...the "preferred" version was little more than indentured slavery to a husband for the purposes of distributing wealth to an ailing family. The point being...you have now created the cult of "passionate destined love" that made Harlequinn the powershouse that it is, unrealistically ideal expectations in the chivalry of men, and an entire century (or until the 1980s) where sex and marriage are inextricably bound...and any variation of that is considered BY THIS INTERVENTIONIST CULTURE as "unnatural" and a sign of "degenerate behavior" and mental illness.

So the same source created an exaggerated ideal of love and simultaneously condemned variation of love as degeneration. How have these two ideas continued to shape your sexual attitudes to this day?
 
As someone who has had both sorts of relationships, I find it to be an extremely tough balancing act. Throw in the long distance, and the sometimes inherent selfishness I felt, I personally couldn't stand after a certain point that I could never have the same sort of relationship with this woman as her fiance could. I couldn't provide for her. I couldn't be there for her because she was nearly a thousand miles away.

It takes quite the personality to be involved in a poly relationship. I think it can provide a need for spice and fun, but I also think the balancing act necessary is quite hard. This might be different if each partner is in an existing relationship at the same time though.
 
Sanhael asked the questions that folks ask me the most, so I took a stab at them:

Do you not feel the need to be specially regarded by "that one special person" as their "one special person" in return?

Like many poly people, I do need a Primary Partner. I definitely need to be the main person in my husband's life, meaning the one with whom he has children and a home and a dental plan, but frankly I love the fact that he's generous, patient, and big-hearted enough to give love to someone besides me, it just makes him a better man and more sophisticated in my eyes. When I see him with his other partner, whom I love very, very much, it just makes me happy and honestly proud of him.


Do you not feel insecure or dissatisfied at the notion that the person you are with is themselves unsatisfied unless they can be with one or more additional people as well, who are at least as important to them as you are?

It's not a question of anyone being dissatisfied. That's a common misconception about poly, that we seek out other people because something's wrong. In reality we simply meet other people as we go through life whom we grow to care for deeply enough that it becomes love, and that adds to an already satisfying life. Just as I didn't have my second baby because something was missing with my first, I didn't fall in love with my secondary partner because something was missing in my relationship with my husband. They do make me happy in different ways because they're different people, but one doesn't fill 'holes' in the other, it's not like that. As for importance, all I can say is that poly isn't for insecure people. You have to know 100% who you are and where you stand with your partners, and if you do then you're not worried about what others are 'getting' in terms of love and attention because your well is full 🙂

Given the history of the human race, countless cultures for thousands of years have embraced monogamy; with the "societal norm" being one-on-one relationships, at least for the moment, you're honestly not bothered by not being uniquely special and on your own level with the love of your life?

If you really research the history of monogamy, you'll learn that it's rare that a culture 'embraced' it. Rather, it was forced upon them for religious and financial reasons to make things equal among men of varying levels of wealth, which is just sad and had nothing to do with love. Furthermore, anyone who knows me will tell you that being a 'societal norm' is the last thing on my mind, I prefer thinking for myself and loving as my heart tells me, not a bunch of males in robes who made up weird rules a few thousand years ago. As for being uniquely special to my partners, trust me I'm uniquely special and sooo on my own (planet) level :trippyrainbow:. But really, that goes back to insecurity; it stems from not getting what you need. I get what I need and I'm satisfied and deeply loved.

I realize that love may be infinite, but time and energy certainly aren't; there's only so much to go around.

As others have said, there's never enough time no matter how many people you love. Children and jobs and relationships all need to be balanced and there are never enough hours in the day. The trick with successful poly is to plan accordingly, and make sure no one is neglected or lonely. It can be done with input from and consideration for everyone involved. People raise nine children and make sure none of them are left aside, we can definitely give two lovers ample time. And to be blunt, never underestimate how cherished it is to have your partner spend time with their other partner while you have (gasp!) time to yourself; my hubby will tell you right now that he treasures my evenings with my other partner because they mean he gets to work on his novel and become One with Mass Effect on his Xbox360 with zero guilt :rockon:

As a side question... monogamous couples who've been together for decades talk about how they still continue to learn more about each other after all of that time. If you're splitting your time with three or four other people, do you feel you're getting to know, love, and appreciate them as much as you would if you found a "one special person" of your own?

Oh trust me, after 17 years and counting I absolutely know, love and appreciate my husband and I learn more every day. Same for my other partner after a decade together. AND, they each help me to better understand the other, which is beyond priceless. It's not a question of 'splitting time', it's sharing each other and learning from and about everyone involved. I don't know what I would do without the insight of my husband's lover, who's also one of my two best friends. When he was unwell a few years ago I leaned so heavily on her, her love for him and knowledge of him were a godsend. What I think people just don't 'get' is that poly people tend to be *family*, in every sense of the word, and we love and support each other through good times and really awful times. Yes it requires more planning and more work, but the rewards of more support and more love are worth it in ways I can't begin to fully describe :grouphug:
 
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Nicely written, Bella.

To Sanhael and others with similar questions: can you step back for a moment and look at your questions, and at the answers that Bella, Icycle, Lindyhopper, I and others have given here? If you can, I believe you'll see a pattern in which questions have arisen out of mistaken assumptions - such as the idea that a poly relationship arises out of dissatisfaction, rather than from discovering and embracing new love in addition to love we have already.

These are fundamental assumptions underlying the cultural enforcement of monogamy. They arise from those definitions that we discussed earlier in the thread - the definitions of love, fidelity, happiness, commitment and so on that form the framework of monogamy.

For me, my journey in polyamory began when I discovered that these definitions are wrong, or at the very least, incomplete. And I believe this lies at the heart of many of the questions that monogamous folks have about polyamory: much of the time those questions come in the form, "How can you be happy in a relationship that works the-way-it-would-have-to-work-if-you-were-monogamous?"

The answer is, it doesn't have to work that way. Polyamory begins with setting aside assumptions about how love "must" work, and discovering how it really does work, for you. That discovery may lead you back to monogamy, but if it does then you'll be there because you've found that you really belong there, and not because you think you have no choice.

And that's got to be an improvement.
 
Thank you all for the answers you've provided; I've been curious for a very long time. I don't have a "problem" with poly relationships, although I don't believe it's for me, but I've been wondering how it could work successfully. I don't believe I have what it would take to be successfully involved in a poly relationship, myself; whatever it might say about me, I savor the feeling of being uniquely special to my partner on a level/in an arena which I share with no-one. I can share almost anything, but not that. This probably reflects some deep-seated insecurity or uncertainty on my part, which... heh, looking at any part of my life, it's pretty hard to avoid noticing that. All I can say is, nobody's perfect; as it stands, I'm happy in mono, and working on the areas wherein I know I need improvement.

R/E the cultures throughout history; the bit on "many cultures have embraced poly relationships" is not lost on me. My point was simply that, in the stating of what many people throughout history have done, it is often forgotten that many other people have done otherwise. There are many examples of cultures throughout history where monogamous relationships were the only ones tolerated, and monogamy works for many, many people (the recent marriage problem in certain Western societies seems more to do with social ideas on what marriage represents, rather than how many people it may apply to in a given arrangement). Many people (not specifically "here") have argued that poly relationships are not unnatural or abnormal; some have taken that argument to the point where they have suggested that mono relationships are abnormal, that being the extreme I would dispute.
 
Nicely written, Bella.

To Sanhael and others with similar questions: can you step back for a moment and look at your questions, and at the answers that Bella, Icycle, Lindyhopper, I and others have given here? If you can, I believe you'll see a pattern in which questions have arisen out of mistaken assumptions - such as the idea that a poly relationship arises out of dissatisfaction, rather than from discovering and embracing new love in addition to love we have already.

These are fundamental assumptions underlying the cultural enforcement of monogamy. They arise from those definitions that we discussed earlier in the thread - the definitions of love, fidelity, happiness, commitment and so on that form the framework of monogamy.

For me, my journey in polyamory began when I discovered that these definitions are wrong, or at the very least, incomplete. And I believe this lies at the heart of many of the questions that monogamous folks have about polyamory: much of the time those questions come in the form, "How can you be happy in a relationship that works the-way-it-would-have-to-work-if-you-were-monogamous?"

The answer is, it doesn't have to work that way. Polyamory begins with setting aside assumptions about how love "must" work, and discovering how it really does work, for you. That discovery may lead you back to monogamy, but if it does then you'll be there because you've found that you really belong there, and not because you think you have no choice.

And that's got to be an improvement.


so does this mean that all life-style choices should be accepted by the masses and those who have alternative life-styles should be able to practice anywhere at any time. Take polyamory out of the equation and substitute any other lifestyle you wish to choice. Let me repeat myself; this question is aimed other lifestyle choices which are not considered main stream
 
so does this mean that all life-style choices should be accepted by the masses and those who have alternative life-styles should be able to practice anywhere at any time. Take polyamory out of the equation and substitute any other lifestyle you wish to choice. Let me repeat myself; this question is aimed other lifestyle choices which are not considered main stream

That depends on how those lifestyles affect the rest of that society. Take the family with 19 kids; many would say that's alternative, and a LOT of people say there's no way each child can be properly loved and cared for; but they're self sufficient and seem ridiculously happy and aren't bothering anyone. If how you're living isn't causing issues with others and fulfills you, the masses should mind their business 🙂
 
That depends on how those lifestyles affect the rest of that society. Take the family with 19 kids; many would say that's alternative, and a LOT of people say there's no way each child can be properly loved and cared for; but they're self sufficient and seem ridiculously happy and aren't bothering anyone. If how you're living isn't causing issues with others and fulfills you, the masses should mind their business 🙂

So if you are a MAJOR drug addict yet live alone and don`t bother anyone else then thats fine with you? Would you want to live nextdoor to that guy even though he is minding his own business , it wouldn`t concern you at all about the safety of the kids in the area? Wouldn`t the threat alone of him possibly doing something stupid while using be enough to cause concern at all?
 
so does this mean that all life-style choices should be accepted by the masses and those who have alternative life-styles should be able to practice anywhere at any time.
If no one is harmed and everyone is consenting, why not?

No one has to "accept" what I do with my life. But yes, I should be able to "practice" my life anywhere, at any time.

So if you are a MAJOR drug addict yet live alone and don`t bother anyone else then thats fine with you? Would you want to live nextdoor to that guy even though he is minding his own business , it wouldn`t concern you at all about the safety of the kids in the area? Wouldn`t the threat alone of him possibly doing something stupid be enough to cause concern at all?
If he's minding his own business then I should mind mine. There's always the threat of someone doing something stupid. But I'm not going to shut down a liquor store simply because of what someone "might" do with what's sold there.
 
So with you are a MAJOR drug addict yet live alone and don`t bother anyone else then thats fine with you?

Is it fine with me? Absolutely not, I would want to get that person the help they need. Now having said that, do I have the right to make them stop if they're not hurting others? I'd have to say no. I can't stop adults from smoking or overeating themselves sick, as much as I'd like to sometimes that's up to them if they're not using public resources to help their habit.

Um...why are we bringing up something as negative as drug addiction in a conversation about loving more than one partner? They don't really belong in the same category regarding alternate lifestyles :serenity:
 
If no one is harmed and everyone is consenting, why not?

No one has to "accept" what I do with my life. But yes, I should be able to "practice" my life anywhere, at any time.

so if you are a nudist, you should be able to walk in a mall in full glory. You aren`t hurting anybody are you. Many consider the naked human body to be a beautiful thing
 
so if you are a nudist, you should be able to walk in a mall in full glory. You aren`t hurting anybody are you. Many consider the naked human body to be a beautiful thing

Hon, you're not making sense. A nudist going out in public is pushing his choices onto everyone around him. Having more than one life-partner doesn't remotely involve or damage the sensibilities of my neighbors. Unless they're peeping into my windows and that's a whole 'nother conversation :scream:
 
Is it fine with me? Absolutely not, I would want to get that person the help they need. Now having said that, do I have the right to make them stop if they're not hurting others? I'd have to say no. I can't stop adults from smoking or overeating themselves sick, as much as I'd like to sometimes that's up to them if they're not using public resources to help their habit.

Um...why are we bringing up something as negative as drug addiction in a conversation about loving more than one partner? They don't really belong in the same category regarding alternate lifestyles :serenity:

Drug addiction is definately in the category of of alternative lifestyles. If you will look I made my comment and took polyamory out of the scenario. I will say this again ; if polyamory or monogamy works for you, that I am happy for you. What I am saying is that society has to have a framework of rules to keep people from doing anything they choose . Not everybody is going to like or accept all those rules but that is part of any society in history
 
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