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Question for experienced "ladies men"

User2419055

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Can someone refer me to places on the internet where it shows you examples of effective speech patterns, ways of planting ideas in women's heads without them realizing it, stuff like that? Speed -seduction type stuff.

I'm just gonna come out and say it: I wanna manipulate women. I wanna make them think they have feelings for me that they don't want to have. I want to be the guy that they don't WANT to want, they know I won't make them happy, I'm not good boyfriend material, etc, but I'm FORCING them to have feelings for me against their will.

I'm very bitter over being told by women all my life "I just like you as a friend, I'm not attracted to you", and I want to CONTROL them. I've even had the fantasy of making a woman I've had one-itis over for years, making her think she finds me irresistable, and after we have sex, she wakes up the next morning to a note on my pillow saying "So I wasn't good enough to get in your pants before, but I am now??? You're a conquest. You're a piece of pvssy to me. I made you laugh, I made you feel love, I played you like a fvcking fiddle, and you were helpless to resist me. You trusted me, didn't you? Do me a favor: think of me whenever you're debating whether to trust a guy again. Bye."

I know I'm taking something that's supposed to be fun and making it into something twisted and sick and evil, but after over 30 years of feeling like a loser, I'm pretty twisted and I'm pretty sick. And evil? I guess that depends on whether you believe in evil or not.

Thanks in advance for any help you can offer.
 
Dude, you don't have to be an evil SOB to get women. And what you're talking about, well, even if they do consent, it only takes one charging you with date rape to ruin your life - and believe me, it will happen.

The problem with "nice guys" who are always seen as friends is you all lack confidence.

Women want nice guys, but they also want a guy who isn't too cowardly to make the first moves. Who doesn't always give in and can say "No, I really don't want to do that. I want to do this."

No matter what the uber feminists will tell you, deep down all women are looking for a caveman who can protect us from sabertooth tigers and other cavemen.

Be nice, but be confident. There's no bigger turn off then a man so beaten down by feminism that he can't make the first move from the very begining.
 
OMG. Is this post a joke????

One: Coming as one with a rep as a "nice girl" I question why you "feel like a loser" for 30 years? Major turnoff.

Two: As a woman, I hear you saying you want to treat women like shit because you were treated like shit? Double major turnoff.

Three: What comes around goes around. I'd feel a lot better if you could see you don't need a woman, you need to work on you.

XOXO
 
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step one: reach down between your legs

step two: firmly grab your ears with both hands

step three: pull your head out of your A$$!

you honestly think if you view yourself as such a "loser" for all these years some cheesy pick up lines are going to change your life? news flash.....most women i know dont appreciate being manipulated, i would suggest you change your strategy or you are going to be sad and lonely for a very long time. something to think about anyhow. 😕
 
Quite an impressive first post. Did you sign up just to post this???
It doesn't take a genius to see why women don't like you, if indeed this post isn't just bullshit to see what kinds of reactions you'll get.
 
Boy, did you come to the wrong place.

I don't like what you said, but I appreciate the honesty. Tells us about who and what you are.

But more on this tomorrow, as I have time.
 
I would recommend getting a pet just as Unclebill said. They provide unconditional love and affection. Just like my two kittens they love sleeping with me every night, but they also love being cuddled and played with.

unclebill said:
Get a puppy. :dog: You will be happier.
 
brother, you've got bigger issues than just not getting laid
 
User2419055 said:
Can someone refer me to places on the internet where it shows you examples of effective speech patterns, ways of planting ideas in women's heads without them realizing it, stuff like that? Speed -seduction type stuff.

I'm just gonna come out and say it: I wanna manipulate women. I wanna make them think they have feelings for me that they don't want to have. I want to be the guy that they don't WANT to want, they know I won't make them happy, I'm not good boyfriend material, etc, but I'm FORCING them to have feelings for me against their will.

I'm very bitter over being told by women all my life "I just like you as a friend, I'm not attracted to you", and I want to CONTROL them. I've even had the fantasy of making a woman I've had one-itis over for years, making her think she finds me irresistable, and after we have sex, she wakes up the next morning to a note on my pillow saying "So I wasn't good enough to get in your pants before, but I am now??? You're a conquest. You're a piece of pvssy to me. I made you laugh, I made you feel love, I played you like a fvcking fiddle, and you were helpless to resist me. You trusted me, didn't you? Do me a favor: think of me whenever you're debating whether to trust a guy again. Bye."

I know I'm taking something that's supposed to be fun and making it into something twisted and sick and evil, but after over 30 years of feeling like a loser, I'm pretty twisted and I'm pretty sick. And evil? I guess that depends on whether you believe in evil or not.

Thanks in advance for any help you can offer.

Just for this post and idea concept, i should rip your bowels out and spread them to the 4 corners of the earth but even the 4 corners are too close to contain the disgust of what you want, i would break law and open some form of dimensional gate to rid u of this realm. If u want some woman to follow what u say, pay a stripper\call girl
 
TicklishGrl4Lfe said:
I would recommend getting a pet just as Unclebill said. They provide unconditional love and affection. Just like my two kittens they love sleeping with me every night, but they also love being cuddled and played with.


Who knows, if this pet isnt into him, he may try killin the pet cuz of that....
 
You might be better off looking for some local dungeons where you can pay for exactly what you want.
 
Can you just feel the love????

First of all, welcome to the TMF! To say you've made quite a first impression would be an understatement! Although I wonder if this actually is your first time here, or is this your first time posting under this screenname?

Just a thought.........

I understand how you feel to a point-when your self-esteem gets beaten to a pulp over and over again, you want to lash out. You want to hurt those who want to hurt you and get revenge. I think we've all been there at some point and I suspect some of us have even gotten revenge-either at the one who created the pain, or with some unsuspecting new person.

I just can't muster up enough bitterness and hatred to carry the plan out. I'm one of those suckers who believes that there's someone out there who will do right by me without having to be dominating, manipulative, and controlling. I guess hope springs eternal, but my lack of sleep at night has nothing to do with how badly I treated someone else to make me feel better.

I want a nice guy that is confident (not cocky) that handles his own business. Not some shmuck who's life is so messed up it would be like having another child around me. I don't need a man to fight my battles for me-I've been doing that by myself just fine. I just want him to be my partner, lover, and friend. I know, I don't want very much.

I hope before you go near another woman, you start dealing with you. I suspect you've been wearing your issues like an old pair of jeans-women can spot that from miles away and they don't want part of it. Deal with your issues first and that'll make a woman more attracted to you. What's wrong with being friends anyway? Many a great relationship began as a friendship.
 
What's wrong with being friends anyway? Many a great relationship began as a friendship.

You do not understand Guys, well me anyway, want to feel like studs. Guys who are able to choose which women they have sex with, not have to settle for the ones who happen to want them "over time, after they get to know them." That is insulting! I would rather a woman want me with animal lust than want me gradually over time, because I was not that impressive in the beginning to them. It is not as satisfying to a guy's ego. And I was going to post something about my tickling fetish but this is more pressing on my mind. So I thought I would throw the idea out there and see if there were any guys here who know these speed-seduction techniques for controlling a woman's mind without her realizing it. I guess not so I will just have to spend the money for those speed-seduction tapes they advertise on the internet, Ross Jeffries's How to get the woman you desire into bed and ones like that.

Okay bye.
 
Well, good luck when one of the women you manipulate decides to retaliate with a date rape charge.

It's sad, but there are women who lie about that sort of thing as revenge. The bad thing about it is it makes it harder for real rape victims to be believed later on.

But it will happen.

You should just take our advice about being nice but confident.

Maybe your problem is your smell. Women don't like men who stink. Brush your teeth, carry breath mints around, take a shower every day, and use some anti-persperant.
 
User2419055 said:
What's wrong with being friends anyway? Many a great relationship began as a friendship.

You do not understand Guys, well me anyway, want to feel like studs. Guys who are able to choose which women they have sex with, not have to settle for the ones who happen to want them "over time, after they get to know them." That is insulting! I would rather a woman want me with animal lust than want me gradually over time, because I was not that impressive in the beginning to them. It is not as satisfying to a guy's ego. And I was going to post something about my tickling fetish but this is more pressing on my mind. So I thought I would throw the idea out there and see if there were any guys here who know these speed-seduction techniques for controlling a woman's mind without her realizing it. I guess not so I will just have to spend the money for those speed-seduction tapes they advertise on the internet, Ross Jeffries's How to get the woman you desire into bed and ones like that.

Okay bye.

*koo koo koo* :upsidedow
 
User2419055 said:
You do not understand Guys, well me anyway, want to feel like studs. Guys who are able to choose which women they have sex with, not have to settle for the ones who happen to want them "over time, after they get to know them." That is insulting! I would rather a woman want me with animal lust than want me gradually over time, because I was not that impressive in the beginning to them. It is not as satisfying to a guy's ego.

I don't know about anyone else. But, to me, it would seem that a healthy ego wouldn't need this kind of stuff. Talk about insulting? Don't you think that it's insulting to women that you want to use them and dump them? If you're angry, fine. Maybe you have reason. But, do you really want to screw (both literally and figuratively) every other woman out therre just out of spite? Trust me. You won't feel any better...either about past issues or about yourself. I would think that it would be much more satisfying to your ego to have a gal want you for who you really are. So, you might think about that. Who are you? What do you have to offer? (notice I said OFFER, not take) What is it that makes you interesting and worthwhile? We all have something, whether we see it or not. Think about that.

User2419055 said:
And I was going to post something about my tickling fetish but this is more pressing on my mind. So I thought I would throw the idea out there and see if there were any guys here who know these speed-seduction techniques for controlling a woman's mind without her realizing it. I guess not so I will just have to spend the money for those speed-seduction tapes they advertise on the internet, Ross Jeffries's How to get the woman you desire into bed and ones like that.

I wouldn't waste the money if I were you. The only kinds of women who are likely to respond to that crap are those who you don't really want anyway...unless you truly meant it when you said that you wanted to use them up and throw them away. If that's the case, consider the fact that you're not likely to be the only one doing so. How much satisfaction is there in destroying someone who's already damaged?

Ann
 
Huh??????

User2419055 said:
What's wrong with being friends anyway? Many a great relationship began as a friendship.

You do not understand Guys, well me anyway, want to feel like studs. Guys who are able to choose which women they have sex with, not have to settle for the ones who happen to want them "over time, after they get to know them." That is insulting! I would rather a woman want me with animal lust than want me gradually over time, because I was not that impressive in the beginning to them. It is not as satisfying to a guy's ego. And I was going to post something about my tickling fetish but this is more pressing on my mind. So I thought I would throw the idea out there and see if there were any guys here who know these speed-seduction techniques for controlling a woman's mind without her realizing it. I guess not so I will just have to spend the money for those speed-seduction tapes they advertise on the internet, Ross Jeffries's How to get the woman you desire into bed and ones like that.

Okay bye.


Okay, so you just want a f*ck with a hot girl. Ya know, any woman with any amount of sense can spot that from a mile away. We're not all the silly little animals you think we are. Heaven forbid that we don't like you from the beginning and want to get to know you before sleeping with you. And to think that you call that "insulting".

That was pretty funny.....good luck with that.

--T
 
I do understand.
And I'm not a guy.
A REAL woman makes a REAL man feel like a stud. But you have to prove to us you're a real man first, get it cowboy?
XOXO

User2419055 said:
You do not understand Guys, well me anyway, want to feel like studs.
 
What you are looking for cannot be found in a bottle, book, or video series. I have known guys with the qualities you're seeking. It's a combination of personality traits you're either born with, or you're not. Thankfully, few are.

It seems to me that you view women merely as a means to achieve an end. If you want to be desirable, that's the first thing you have to change. You need to develop an interest in who she is, what she knows, her experiences, etc. I'm not talking about learning facts about her in order to manipulate her. Women can sense if you really care about them, or if you're just trying to get laid. When I say "care" I don't mean that you fall in love with them over night. I mean you care about how they feel, and refuse to treat them in such a way as to be manipulative, hurtful or callous.

It can all be boiled down to a simple principle. Consider HER happiness, comfort and well-being as more important and significant than your own. If you can do that, you'll find that most women are very warm, loving, and interesting to get to know.
 
Assuming that what you have to say here is honest -- and I have no reason to doubt its veracity, as I believe there are people out there like this -- I have the following thoughts to offer to you, also in all honesty. Take them as you will.


1.) You have your own problems. Try to limit your problems to yourself, rather than spread them around.

You don’t have to act in what you yourself recognize as “sick” and “twisted” ways. You may have such urges because of what you see as your failures and your choice to blame women for them, but you do not have to follow through with destructive desires. It is what you _do_ that makes you who you are.

You obviously feel hurt, angry and jealous of a world that you see as more successful than you are -- a world full of people that you see as having been more successful for years -- and so, seek retribution against it, and specifically against that which you see as preventing you from success -- in this case, women.

You probably think just about the whole world is having more sex than you, and so, feel alone and under-appreciated. It’s not uncommon to feel that way, I imagine, in an age of increasing social isolation and prolific internet porn, booty-shaking videos, and unending commercials for “Girls Gone Wild” -- the degree to which one is exposed may skew ones view as to their relative experience in comparison to the perceived “norm”.

You yourself feel manipulated. You’ve probably been told that you should just “be yourself” and/or treat women a certain way, and in adherence with what you’ve been taught, still find yourself lacking. You therefore believe what you’ve been taught, and how you’ve been raised, is in part, a sham. You feel women have held all the cards to what you want, feel drawn in by your feelings toward them, and then shut out by their refusals and rejections of you. For these reasons, you feel manipulated. You want others to feel manipulated and controlled, like you’ve felt. You want revenge.

You need to stop. You need to stop perceiving sex as a measure of your own worth, and vengeance as a measure of achievement.



2.) Your intents probably involve not only acquiring knowledge to manipulate, seduce and hurt women (specifically your "one-itis" -- but regardless of whether or not you accomplish your revenge against your target, your appetite you will likely find relieved only temporarily, and you will seek to continue satisfying your misogynistic leanings.). But given that you have posted here when there are countless other forums devoted to various practices, it’s not unreasonable to believe you plan on targetting the women of this forum once you’ve acquired a new user identity and what you deem sufficient knowledge to reach your goals.

This being so, you’re painting a big target on your back amid a population of people who preach caution and take pride in their ability to acutely read others, and their actions and reactions. Such people often make excellent judges of character as well, so I advise you to drop all intent of manipulation and harm, as you will be quickly found out, shut out, and rightly and harshly shunned if you seek to fulfill your stated aims among our highly-valued female participants.

While perhaps not being a sexual predator in the coercive/non-consensual sense, you are a potentially destructive emotional predator, and so long as harm remains your intention, you deserve no more respect than the former, in my book.



3.) Given your age and the terminology in your post, I can probably guess which books and resources you have and have not consulted on the topics of seduction and manipulation. But I’m not going to help you in that regard.

That said, those books I’ve read on the matter center around the conceit that “everyone wants to be seduced”, conveniently glossing over the fact that almost everyone wants MORE than to be seduced.

Even you want more than just sex or seduction. You want validation -- of your prowess, your attractiveness, and most of all, of yourself as a person, and you want it all immediately. You want to feel that it’s right and okay to be you -- who you are -- and you interpret the refusals as personal attacks, rejections of who you are, more than simple disinterest.

You want the chance to turn the tables on all those times you were rejected and relegated to “just a friend” status. You want to go back in time and have those chances over again with the women who refused you, and knowing that you can’t, you want revenge, and power where you’ve felt powerless.

You have let this become far too much of a fixation, and it is unfortunately coming to define you. That’s why you’re a failure -- at women as much as at life.

In focusing on the problem and letting it define you, you have become the problem, and your self-loathing is evidence of it.

So long as you stay the problem, your short-term successes will feed into your long-term failure. Every woman you might manage to successfully exact your revenge upon will send word to her friends and they to their friends, and again, you will be shut out from what you really want, be it simply sex or external validation of yourself as a human being.

But to receive validation as a human being, you have to decide again to become one. Idealizing virtues of vengeance does not a human being make.

Succumbing to your urge for vengeance and a desire to control and harm is what makes you a loser and a failure, not just from my perspective, but from the perspective of achieving what you really want.



4.) I’ve found myself the guy who winds up picking up the pieces after women have dealt with guys like you. But most guys who hurt women emotionally are blissfully oblivious of the extent to which they’ve affected them. People who go out with the explicit intention to do emotional harm are doubly damnable in my book, but are usually doing so because they themselves are broken. You fit this latter category.

So, against my better judgement, I’m going to invite you to PM me about whatever you wish to speak. My reply will be dependent on your courtesy and honesty. Mind you, I’ll offer no advice for seduction, but I’ll discuss with you paths toward becoming a happy, decent human being, and that, I think, is what you need more than anything.

You will find you’re much more able to count yourself a success in life and with women if you can come to like yourself. It is this, and not the fleeting satisfaction of schadenfreude that will make you a happier and redeemable human being.

A man who is happy with himself, decent and caring is naturally attractive. You can work on real seduction -- attracting people by emphasizing the qualities that naturally flow out of you, and teaching yourself how to truly love others -- only once you love yourself. Genuine attractiveness is what you seek, and that starts with you and your security with yourself -- not “peacocking”, clever lines and hypno-speak, or whatever other trappings and affectations you think might pass you off as likeable or interesting.

Love of self and self confidence aren’t something you wear, tack on or get from that book you just read. I know you’ve heard the “love yourself” spiel a million times, but it’s true, so get used to it, and seek a way to get there.

You strike me not as desperate so much as desperately unhappy. Let’s start there first. Remember how miserable “Mystery” was despite his conquests.



I don’t believe in an absolute evil defined by an omnipotent God, but I believe in and understand the evil that people perpetrate upon others for their own short-term satisfaction. Following the route of evil (what you rightly recognize as “sick” and “twisted”) is ultimately unfulfilling not because of some post-mortem supernatural retribution, but because it closes precisely the doors of interaction with other people you want to open and keep open. It is pragmatic to do good.

Consider my offer, and PM me if you’re interested in success as a human being. I'm no guru, but I may be able to help you start on a decent and fulfilling path. I think it's probably the best offer you'll find here.
 
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