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Questions about actors and actresses

GirlWhoLikes2Laugh

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I watched two different shows on VH1 where they listed the 100 Greatest Kid Stars and another one was the 100 Greatest Teen Stars. While watching those shows, I learned that Henry Thomas who was in E.T actually didn't have any previous acting experience yet he was still in the movie. I REALLY don't understand how someone could be in a movie and not have any previous acting experience and learn all those lines and be very good in a movie. It doesn't make any sense to me. Does anybody know how that could happen or know anything about acting to answer that?

Also, how in the world do actors and actresses memorize all those lines? I mean is it something they learn in acting school or what? Also, I was looking at a thread under tickling scenes in the media or whatever that catagory is called and someone said that Natalie Portman was discovered working in a pizza place. I doubt that she had any previous acting experience but I am not sure.

I am looking forward to your responses.


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What Maniac said, some people just have talent. I am taking a guess about remembering lines but I say they are taught techniques to help and probably they only required to remember a few per scene then start over again.

Priest
 
I took an acting class in college, and while I never aspired to being an actor, our acting professor always told us:"Think of the character, put yourself inside the character's life, and feeling, instead of thinking of yourself, as Mitch, or Jen." I think many times actors lose themselves in the personality traits of the character, and, if they are successful in doing that, and visualize the scene, or the script, or the play, the lines just flow from them.

Mitch
 
You dont have to be able to remember your lines to act.In the old days they had q-cards,somebody standing offstage with the lines written on them.These days its done with what used to be called tele-prompters,a tv screen with the lines on it,althought im sure there is another name for it now.Some people can do without them,some can't.Bob Hope and Bing Crosby often forgot or ignored the script in their movies and adlibed as they shot their scenes.And as others have said,some just have a natural talent for it.
 
I really like all your responses so far but for those people who are just naturals. I mean how do you look at someone and just know that this person will be a good actor or actress? I mean when Steven Spielberg picked Henry Thomas to be in E.T, how did he just from looking at him or however he discovered him that he would be good? I mean he was very good but I guess he had a feeling about Henry.


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Jen, my guess is that young unknown talent can have the "it factor" that a director or casting agent senses. Or the unknown has a look or a vibe that sits well with the director or casting agent. I am sure it is a gamble but I guess if one has been at it for a while, they get pretty good at trusting their instincts.

I am guessing the professional sports drafts are the same way: I mean can anyone here recall Ryan Leaf?
 
For stage actors, memorisation is a very big thing. They have to be consumate professionals with a decent memory.

On the other hand...Film actors do not have to be so inclined. Some of the least professional actors don't even know their lines until they show up for the day of shooting. Movie companies shoot scenes day by day so all the actor has to do is either memorise the lines for the few specific scenes shot that day or just read them and take their cue from the director as to what he/she wants for that moment.
 
Haha Ryan Leaf, who drafted him again?

Priest
 
Okay I understand what your saying. Thanks for clarifying about how unknown talent is discovered.
 
german said:
Haha Ryan Leaf, who drafted him again?

Priest


Some foolish team, nobody I know. heheehehehehehe
(can you guess who that comment was for????)
 
No idea 🙄

He did look good in sky blue

Priest
 
Ryan Leaf is a good example.Lots of people who are spotted as *naturals* are one hit wonders at best.Jennifer Beal stared in Flashdance.Has anybody seen her in the last twenty years or so?Most people who make it in show business,sports or whatever spend years at their craft before they make the big time,if they ever do.W.C. Fields,one of the greatest comedians of all time,spent most of his career on the vaudivelle circuit.He had to travel all over the world to make a living,his career in Hollywood was really very short.
 
An unknown actor or untrained in acting being cast isn't so uncommon or surprising.

For instance, the actor who played Lt. Dawson in the movie A Few Good Men actually worked behind the schenes (an assistant of some kind). Rob Reiner, the director, was looking for a person to play Dawson who resembled this man...unsatified with the actors that came in--he eventually cast him and hired an acting coach for him for several months. Thats a lot to pend on a person considering he had to do several schenes opposite Tom Cruise and Demi Moore. I learned this on the commentary part of the dvd.

This isn't the first Ive heard of this. Speilburg probably cast that kid because he had a certain personality in mind for Elliot and this kid "fit the part."
After that, it's a matter of teaching him how to act. Sometimes I guess directors see the performance not so much the experience.

Trained actors usually learned how to memorize lines because its a job requirement. My bro did some minor acting roles and he said that if you don't want to look like a fool or hold up production. You'll learn your part but even professional actors forget..that's why we have "bloopers."
 
I read that in the later years of his career, Marlon Brando used a transmittable hidden ear piece, so that his lines could be "fed" to him as he spoke while filming on camera. Perhaps this technique has been perfected and used more than is publicly known?
 
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Right. Stage performers (who get no re-takes) and soap actors who have to memorize dozens of pages every day are the only ones who have it tough. If you're in movies and TV, it's easy. Some scenes get re-shot 50, 60, 70 times or more, it's not so unusual. Maybe the director was picky, maybe the actor screwed up the delivery...

Speilberg saw something in Henry Thomas that he figured he could work with, experienced or not I think.
XOXO
 
Thanks for sharing that info. Steph. I didn't know all that about soap opera actors that they have it tough to memorize lines. I figured about stage performers that they have to memorize lines. I didn't know about movies and TV but it doesn't sound as hard as I thought.



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bugman said:
Ryan Leaf is a good example.Lots of people who are spotted as *naturals* are one hit wonders at best.Jennifer Beal stared in Flashdance.Has anybody seen her in the last twenty years or so?Most people who make it in show business,sports or whatever spend years at their craft before they make the big time,if they ever do.W.C. Fields,one of the greatest comedians of all time,spent most of his career on the vaudivelle circuit.He had to travel all over the world to make a living,his career in Hollywood was really very short.

Bug, Jennifer Beals has been starring on a Cable network series about a bunch of well dressed, gorgeous Lesbians. I'm sure someone here can fill in here with the title of the show, I can't remember it. The woman is, and always was, radiant.

ticklejen said:
I REALLY don't understand how someone could be in a movie and not have any previous acting experience and learn all those lines and be very good in a movie. It doesn't make any sense to me. Does anybody know how that could happen or know anything about acting to answer that?

In the old days, kids didn't really need acting experience, they just needed to be cute. Over the twenty-two years the Our Gang/Little Rascals comedies were being produced, only one member of the troupe had any kind of real acting experience beforehand, and that would be Jackie Cooper. His sterling acting performances as a member of the gang stood in stark relief from the other members. A short time after leaving the troupe, he got an Oscar nomination for his role in a full length feature.

Only in recent years has genuine acting ability been a pre-requisite for child actors. It helps in the attempt to continue after childhood and adolescence have moved to the wayside...and more child actors lately are having successful adult careers (Anthony Michael Hall, Drew Barrymore et al). I think Daniel Radcliffe's got a nice career ahead of him. Lots of potential.
 
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ticklejen said:
I watched two different shows on VH1 where they listed the 100 Greatest Kid Stars and another one was the 100 Greatest Teen Stars. While watching those shows, I learned that Henry Thomas who was in E.T actually didn't have any previous acting experience yet he was still in the movie. I REALLY don't understand how someone could be in a movie and not have any previous acting experience and learn all those lines and be very good in a movie. It doesn't make any sense to me. Does anybody know how that could happen or know anything about acting to answer that?

Also, how in the world do actors and actresses memorize all those lines? I mean is it something they learn in acting school or what? Also, I was looking at a thread under tickling scenes in the media or whatever that catagory is called and someone said that Natalie Portman was discovered working in a pizza place. I doubt that she had any previous acting experience but I am not sure.

Hi Jen. Well I will try to give you some answers based on my experience with actors both in my family, my experience in dealing with actors when I got my degree in television and film production and with stage productions I have worked on.

For starters I will correct you on something that will make actors respect you a lot more. Unfortunately Hollywood and even my self occasionally slip on this so don't feel bad... there is no "actress." The term actor refers to both genders and is the proper way of saying it. Yes I know the Academy differs but they should be saying best Female Actor not best Actress. However, 95% of Americans wouldn't understand that. I'm not picking on you, just helping you understand. For those working on the production and getting things together we often use the word Talent to describe the one on screen whether it be man, woman, child, or lemur. Don't refer to actors to their face as talent though.

Learning the part

There are a LOT of different schools of thought to acting. What an actor needs to do is to find the school of thought that works best for them and their goals. Learning lines is difficult for some people and not for others. In theater you need to learn lines because you are on stage and cannot be prompted or get to do "do overs" otherwise known as "takes." What helps you learn your line is first memorization of the line and learning the character. Once you understand your character and your characters motivations it makes things easier. Secondly a lot of acting is not involving monologues. You are interacting with another actor and talking in dialog. The fact that another actor is saying a line before yours helps trigger your memory to your own.

Practice... then practice some more, keep practicing, then rehearse, etc. You need to practice to become familiar with your lines so you have them memorized in relation to the other lines of dialog and then when you rehearse it becomes more ingrained because where you are standing, what you are wearing, how the lighting is set etc. will help you with your lines.

I do think Soap Opera starts have it the hardest as they have to learn their lines fast and production is 14 hours a day 5 days a week for 5 shows.

Many people think the lives of stars are easy on set. Just remember that if you are shooting a day of scenes where you are in nearly all of them you will be on set 12 to 14 hours easily. When I was on the set as an extra for the upcoming movie "The Tripper" I saw Paul Reubens up and getting ready for his scenes by 8am taking occasional naps between scenes and not going to bed until after 10pm. You have some additional luxuries because you are the star, but also because you are the star you have to work harder than the people with the smaller roles.

How does someone be in a movie without previous experience? It is rare, it is talent and it is a great director that can pull it off. What makes that person more talented? It is really hard to say. How do you know if someone has it or not, also hard to say. The idea of being discovered is you may have a look that people want and if you have talent that backs that up great. Just because you look fabulous doesn't mean you can act your way out of a wet script.

For me Dustin Hoffman is one of the greatest actors of our time. I think so because almost everything I see him in I can in minutes forget he is Dustin Hoffman and think of him as the character he is playing. If you can do that you are an amazingly talented actor.

Also keep in mind for film things are not shot in sequence so learning your lines is good to have an idea of what the movie is about but if you are going off other people's queues you will have to study the script ahead of time prior to the next shoot. Also there are usually changes and additions on the fly or just prior to shoot because of how things are looking or not looking and so you must adapt.

In the production of "Haunted House" (a greek play) that I am helping my sweety memorize her lines on I get to watch rehearsals almost every Sunday. There is a great example when two characters are talking and how their dialog evolved.

The Moneylender is ranting about the interest he wants to get paid. "...interest, interest interest, I want my Interest!"

The slave Tranio replies "Interest here, and interest there all this man has an interest in is interest."

What changed was the last word. The last word interest was spoken by the Moneylender.

The Moneylender is ranting about the interest he wants to get paid. "...interest, interest interest, I want my Interest!"

The slave Tranio replies "Interest here, and interest there all this man has an interest in is..."

Moneylender "Interest."

This comes across as much funnier. Often times a director will be open to suggestions from the actors because the actors know their characters well. Some directors want no input from actors.

It is an artform, it is a craft, and therefore what is art to some is trash to others.
 
You're welcome Jen~I was lucky enough to be born & raised in a town far away enough from LA that we had no traffic and the usual superficial LA BS but close enough that there were a lot of "rich and famous" around me. And, I've been on stage since I was about three. :bouncybou I'll probably go get my SAG card soon enough~a lot of filming goes on round here and I could use the extra $! :bouncybou
XOXO

ticklejen said:
Thanks for sharing that info. Steph. I didn't know all that about soap opera actors that they have it tough to memorize lines. I figured about stage performers that they have to memorize lines. I didn't know about movies and TV but it doesn't sound as hard as I thought.



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ticklejen said:
I really like all your responses so far but for those people who are just naturals. I mean how do you look at someone and just know that this person will be a good actor or actress? I mean when Steven Spielberg picked Henry Thomas to be in E.T, how did he just from looking at him or however he discovered him that he would be good? I mean he was very good but I guess he had a feeling about Henry.


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Hm. Odd that I'd missed this post the first time around.

I can shed some light on your question about Henry Thomas.

During the ninties, I caught a brief interview with Thomas who was going to College at the time. The subject on how he was chosen for the roll of Elliot came up. Apparently, when going in for a reading, the part that was chosen to read, was one of the sadder scenes in the movie. Thomas said that before the audition, he spent several minutes imagining that his dog died. He went in and did the scene(I suppose it would be the part where Elliot and E.T. spoke for the last time before the alien departed to his home world). With tears in his eyes, he completed the reading. Spielberg was attending and was so moved by Thomas' preformance, that he, himself, was crying.

Henry Thomas got the part.
 
Knox The Hatter said:
Jennifer Beals has been starring on a Cable network series about a bunch of well dressed, gorgeous Lesbians. I'm sure someone here can fill in here with the title of the show, I can't remember it. The woman is, and always was, radiant.




Knox, the show you're wondering about is known as "The L Word", and is broadcast on Showtime.
 
Thanks, my friend.

'The 'L' Word'. I remember the premise looked like so much Hollywood hogwash, anyway. Like 90% of the dreck that comes out of there.
 
ticklejen said:
I really like all your responses so far but for those people who are just naturals. I mean how do you look at someone and just know that this person will be a good actor or actress?

some people just got it and some don't its a simple as that.
 
In the old days, kids didn't really need acting experience, they just needed to be cute. Over the twenty-two years the Our Gang/Little Rascals comedies were being produced, only one member of the troupe had any kind of real acting experience beforehand, and that would be Jackie Cooper. His sterling acting performances as a member of the gang stood in stark relief from the other members.


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