Rampage In The UFC

[CurtWild]

noooooooo

silva and chuck

they have to get this done!!

 

[ShiningIce]

Well, so much for Sobral. I knew this would happen. Can't wait for the QUICK/CROW fight.

 

[CurtWild]

Well, so much for Sobral. I knew this would happen. Can't wait for the QUICK/CROW fight.

me too.....i was kinda hoping it would have been a longer fight.


tough test for swick....a win for him puts him near the top.


next few events

tito killing shamrock on live tv.....hughes trying to avenge his loss to bj....franklin in arguably his toughest test yet....and the finals of the PrideFC OWGP--which i suggest a MMA fans get,its gonna be huge.

 

[Krokus]

is it just me, or is ortiz overrated? I mena, he claims he can beat the best, yet he doesn't seem to want to actually fight anyone other than 40+ year olds, and guys like forrest griffin. I predict he gets knocked out again by Liddell...

I'm sick of hearing about Ortiz, if he really was a great fighter he would go to PRIDE, UFC is just takedowns and points, Tito would get his head kicked in if he went to pride... Hell, he talk shit about beating Ken Shamrock... Frank Shamrock, who is a much, much better fighter than Ken ever was, kicked Tito's ass rather easily. In fact, Frank was undeafeated for God knows how long... I'd like to see Frank and Tito again.



Ortiz beats shamrock, Hughes beats BJ, and I *think* Franklin will tough it out.



IMO... I think Liddell can beat Silva

 

[ShiningIce]

I view MMA as an advanced version of ROCK PAPER SCISSORS. Remember Tito beat the axe murderer, Silva beat Rampage, and Rampage beat Liddel, yet Liddel beat Tito. I think Tito might still have it in him. However I think he's the wrong kind of fighter to go up against Liddel. I wanna see BJ take down Hughes again, but I doubt it'll happen. I think if Franklin were to fight the Crow again he'd probably lose.

 

[bdevil7]

It would be a great rematch. I love watching UFC!!

 

[CurtWild]

cant wait for this one

 

[Krokus]

Awesome... PRIDE is so much better than UFC.

 

[bass]

well i didnt see anything in this post about this, so..

liddell vs silva was off since before the liddell/sobral fight.. there were never any written contracts or anything like that.. it was all just negotiations and such.. the president of DSE said that on their end, they are ready for a fight.. cro cop even said if wanderlei was unable to fight chuck in november, he would step in and fight him.. BUT unfortunately dana white has a HUGE stick up his ass about this kind of thing.. he says wanderlei isnt worthy of fighting chuck since he lost to cro cop (a 205 guy losing to one of the best heavyweights in the world? wow.. this guy must really suck ) and chuck said he would only fight cro cop at 205, but dana wouldnt let the fight happen anyway.. so now its going to be liddell vs ortiz again..

i love how they can announce and build up possibly one of the most anticipated matches in MMA history, when there is really no chance of it even happening..

tito is going to destroy ken shamrock again, no doubt in my mind.. they said it was a premature stoppage last time.. the only thing it stopped was ken from having to eat another dozen elbows to the face undefended.. he wasnt doing a damn thing.. i hope this time they let them fight until shamrock is unconscious or really knocked out, so all the people can shut the hell up and realize shamrock shouldnt be fighting anymore.. he was past his prime a long time ago and hes going to get himself hurt

franklin/silva.. im going to throw a wrench into the mix, because i havent heard anybody say this before.. franklin is going to submit silva.. silva is a WORLD CLASS striker, but everytime ive seen him lose, he lost by submission.. ryo chonan got him with a flying scissor heel hook (which was incredible by the way), and he lost to daiju takase by triangle choke.. franklin is bigger and stronger than him, so i think if he can take it to the ground, he could easily submit him.. franklin has a sick submission game, he just never has the need to use it.. the fight could go a couple rounds, but i say franklin by submission

mike swick gets the winner of that one

hughes vs georges st pierre is back on for november

the PRIDE show in vegas is shaping up to be pretty decent..
fedor vs mark coleman
shogun rua vs kevin randleman
mark hunt vs butterbean
josh barnett vs pawel nastula
dan henderson vs vitor belfort
and other people are supposed to be on the card like baroni, fujita, and nakamura..
ill definately be getting this PPV

 

[bass]

I view MMA as an advanced version of ROCK PAPER SCISSORS. Remember Tito beat the axe murderer, Silva beat Rampage, and Rampage beat Liddel, yet Liddel beat Tito. I think Tito might still have it in him. However I think he's the wrong kind of fighter to go up against Liddel. I wanna see BJ take down Hughes again, but I doubt it'll happen. I think if Franklin were to fight the Crow again he'd probably lose.

you cant use logic like that dude.. tito beat silva, but that was in 2000 before silva became the beast he is today.. silva beat rampage (twice), rampage beat chuck, but that doesnt mean that silva will beat chuck.. I think that silva would beat chuck, but you never know whats going to happen.. as far as tito/chuck 2, its going to go the same way.. even if tito shows up injury free and ready to go, hes going to sleep.. i DO NOT like chuck liddell, but he is a great fighter.. he makes you fight his game, and you cant take him down.. sobral made the mistake of chasing him throwing wild because he got him with a stiff jab.. and chuck had a look on his face after he got hit like '....did i just get hit?'

if tito can take him down, chuck will get back up.. tito needs to really work on his standup and not CHASE liddell, or pull off a quick takedown and quick submission.. something unexpected..

bj penn is his own worst enemy.. he beats himself.. if he trained for a 25 minute championship fight instead of a 2 round fight, he might have been able to pull it off.. he fought great the first two rounds, but he came out in the third round completely gassed.. hands down, getting hit by slow shots from hughes.. the takedown was effortless.. and then he just got pounded.. conditioning has always been his downfall (look at penn/gsp).. he just doesnt work it enough for some reason

and i dont think franklin would lose to loiseau if they fought again.. i dont think there is anybody in the UFC middleweight division right now that could topple franklin.. once he submits silva (yes, SUBMITS him), i think mike swick is next in line.. i like swick, hes a beast, hes a great fighter, but he cant take franklin.. it would be a war, but franklin would take him out.. the other name they throw around is nathan marquardt.. ive seen this guy fight and hes good, but how is he viewed by so many as the one who will take franklin out? he couldnt even take out ivan salavery, who is nowhere near franklins level.. i think some of the light heavyweights need to drop to middleweight like franklin and tanner did, and then maybe we would have some competition.. maybe drop bisping down or someone like sobral who could actually give franklin some competition..

 

[Krokus]

Dana White is an asshole IMO... He knows that PRIDE has the greatest fighters in the world, and he knows that chuck would get his ass kicked.

I also got a kick out of seeing Tim Sylvia talk all that shit about wanting to fight fedor, then turning down the chance. Sylvia would get absolutely KILLED if he faced fedor, and he knows it.

 

[bass]

Dana White is an asshole IMO... He knows that PRIDE has the greatest fighters in the world, and he knows that chuck would get his ass kicked.

I also got a kick out of seeing Tim Sylvia talk all that shit about wanting to fight fedor, then turning down the chance. Sylvia would get absolutely KILLED if he faced fedor, and he knows it.

dude.. i could make an entire thread about dana white.. the guy is a douchebag.. he says he wants to do whats good for the sport (and dont get me wrong, he has done ALOT for the sport) but now he is all about the money and the business aspects of it..

chuck would get destroyed in pride nowadays.. they have better strikers, better grapplers, better fighters.. he said he would fight crocop, but only at 205.. SOMEONE IS SCARED 😛

sylvia would get destroyed by fedor in less than a minute.. he would keep outside and throw his little jab like he always does, but fedor wont sit there and just fuck around like arlovski did the last time (what a disappointment that fight was).. hed time it right and when tim threw his jab, hed come with an overhand and knock him on his ass or take him down and submit him.. fedor has it all..

and i think its a joke that coleman is getting another shot at him

 

[ShiningIce]

I gotta disagree Bass. Franklin might have his hands fuill with Anderson Silva. True Leben isn't really that great a fighter, but to knock him out so easily. Its impressive. Franklin will probably win, but no way IN HELL will he submit Silva. Liddel CAN be taken down (Couture) , AND he can be beat by Ortiz IF Ortiz uses a sound gameplan. Ortiz can STILL beat Silva if he's mentally prepared. Ortiz has a better clench than the Axe Murderer and Liddel

 

[bass]

I gotta disagree Bass. Franklin might have his hands fuill with Anderson Silva. True Leben isn't really that great a fighter, but to knock him out so easily. Its impressive. Franklin will probably win, but no way IN HELL will he submit Silva. Liddel CAN be taken down (Couture) , AND he can be beat by Ortiz IF Ortiz uses a sound gameplan. Ortiz can STILL beat Silva if he's mentally prepared. Ortiz has a better clench than the Axe Murderer and Liddel

ok ive analyzed this before, but here it is again for franklin/silva

silva/leben - watch the fight again.. the first ten seconds, leben comes in too cocky and unprepared (watch them in the staredown/intros, leben is like HEY LOOK AT ME IM CHRIS LEBEN and silva is just like ok lets go).. leben eats two jabs to the face, falls into the fence.. from there on in, all he did was throw wild and chase silva around.. he never took time to recover his bearings or even clinch up for a takedown at all.. when you throw wild and dont defend yourself, someone like silva is going to take you out with that..

franklin.. look at his past fights.. he doesnt lose his composure after taking a few shots.. look at his fights with evan tanner (x2), david loiseau, and jorge rivera.. he took punishment in all those fights, and still kept it together and found a way to win.. he has his chris leben in nate quarry.. sure quarry is a great fighter, but he was not up to the level of rich franklin, just like leben was not up to the level of anderson silva..

no way IN HELL huh? so you put these two in the ring, and what do you have? two excellent strikers, but one (franklin) also has a slick submission game, while the other (silva) has been submitted twice by fighters that he should have destroyed.. he was dominating ryo chonan until chonan pulled off a freakshow of a flying scissor heel hook.. but chonan is nowhere near the level of rich franklin and could have been finished many times in that fight.. and when he fought daiju takase, all he had to do was take silva to the ground once, and silva never got up.. silva had a height and reach advantage on him, but he was completely dominated.. finished him with a triangle choke.. silva has a weak ground game, and franklin is the physically stronger and bigger of the two.. if i were rich franklin, id feel him out the first half of the round, see what kind of shit hes going to throw at you, look for the takedown, and then look for the kimura or the armbar.. silva has skinnier arms and i think franklin could easily put enough pressure on his shoulder for the kimura, and the armbar he could easily pull off even if silva defended with the grip.. or he could even ground and pound him, which isnt his style, but would still work.. why would you want to fight the other fighters game? if hes strong in striking, take his ass to the ground.. if hes a strong wrestler, keep it standing.. chuck liddell has had so much success because he makes you fight his fight.. hes a counter fighter.. only stupid people like jorge gurgel try to stand with excellent strikers when he is a black belt in jiujitsu.. either way, if franklin takes him to the ground, the fight is over.. i could be wrong and they could keep it standing, rich might have another first round knockout.. either way its going to be a good fight.. but i see the submission coming

i know chuck was taken down by randy, but you have to remember, that was 3 years ago.. fighters constantly train and evolve.. and then you have to ask yourself, who else has takedowns like randy couture?? tito couldnt take forrest griffin to the ground after the first round.. i think this fight is going to go the same way as the last one.. i like tito, but hes going to talk a whole lot of shit about chuck, chuck is going to respond with that dumb little smirk on his face, and its going to be another first or second round KO for liddell..

and as far as tito having a better clinch than wanderlei and chuck, ill give you better than chuck.. but i dont see how you can think his clinch is better than chute boxe's star fighter, when one of the main focuses of chute boxe is muay thai.. you might have to explain that one to me

 

[ShiningIce]

I just don't see Franklin submitting Silva. Knocking him out? Yeah that I can see. Like you said fighters are constantly evolving. Silva could very well come in and take Franklin down and ground and pund. Unlikely? Sure, but still possible. Tito was rusty with Griffin. I think he will prepare a little better for Liddel. Yes Liddel is one of the best stand up fighters, but then so again is Belfort. I think both of them are weak agaianst dirty boxing. If Tito clenches with Liddel and uses his knees he just might win the stand up war. Now I'm not saying Tito is probably going to win. I'm just saying dont count him or Silva out. Upsets do happen.

 

[bass]

I just don't see Franklin submitting Silva. Knocking him out? Yeah that I can see. Like you said fighters are constantly evolving. Silva could very well come in and take Franklin down and ground and pund. Unlikely? Sure, but still possible. Tito was rusty with Griffin. I think he will prepare a little better for Liddel. Yes Liddel is one of the best stand up fighters, but then so again is Belfort. I think both of them are weak agaianst dirty boxing. If Tito clenches with Liddel and uses his knees he just might win the stand up war. Now I'm not saying Tito is probably going to win. I'm just saying dont count him or Silva out. Upsets do happen.

very well put

i guess im more thinking how i would do it than how franklin probably will do it.. the knockout is probable, but i think the submission would be quicker and easier and a better a gameplan for someone like silva.. thats just the way i see it.. we will see i guess

tito did have injuries during his fight with griffin, but hes had injuries in nearly all his fights.. when tito fought belfort, belfort was already past his prime and his sister had been kidnapped in brazil so he wasnt all there mentally.. his last fight was in strikeforce and he lost a really boring fight to alistair overeem.. i agree about tito clinching with liddell, he could do some damage if he pulls them off quick.. he cant just hang on and wait for the moment unless he can get him against the cage.. and even then he has to watch out because liddell could knock him out at any moment..

i know upsets happen.. aurellio/gomi, randleman/crocop, penn/hughes I.. the list goes on.. its always possible.. im just saying i dont really see the upsets happening in this one.. just my opinion

 

[ShiningIce]

Personally I hope Liddel loses his next six fights back to back. I would love to see Diego Sanchez get pounded, and Rashad Evans finally get some credit. Kendal Grove Vs. Leben is something else I'd like to see.

 

[bass]

Personally I hope Liddel loses his next six fights back to back. I would love to see Diego Sanchez get pounded, and Rashad Evans finally get some credit. Kendal Grove Vs. Leben is something else I'd like to see.

i hope liddell loses, but i really want to see liddell vs wanderlei before he retires.. otherwise there will be a neverending 'what if' discussion about the potential fight.. and that would drive me crazy

i hate diego with a passion.. hes a good fighter, but i just hate him.. i hate his attitude, his tactics, everything.. i think hes going to be in for a rude awakening once he faces some real competition.. karo was as close as he came to a top contender.. he looked alot better than he had in previous fights in that fight, but he still is very simple and one dimensional.. one-two-shoot.. always.. and once it hits the ground, he just doesnt let you up.. which i understand, but itd be different if he was really trying to finish.. the kid is an ace in submission fighting, but i havent seen him pull off a submission since TUF1.. i dont know.. i just dont like him

i give rashad credit since the lambert fight.. up until that point, id rather watch oprah than watch him fight.. hes a solid wrestler with good takedowns and good takedown defense, but he doesnt do ANYTHING while hes on the ground.. obviously he is working on it since he destroyed jason lambert, but i still think he has a long way to go..

what are your throughts on sherk/florian? i say florian by submission late first round

 

[Krokus]

I like Rashad, even though his fights are a bit boring. He gets the job done though.

 

[CurtWild]

Personally I hope Liddel loses his next six fights back to back. I would love to see Diego Sanchez get pounded, and Rashad Evans finally get some credit. Kendal Grove Vs. Leben is something else I'd like to see.

tito will beat chuck Dec. 30th so there is 1 loss......

diego is fighting riggs next...dunno why. he ain`t losing that fight.

rashad is the definition of lay N pray

i think Sherk stops kenflo with some elbows.

oh yeah.....Tito just may kill Kenny this time

 

[ShiningIce]

My view on Lay N Pray is this, if the fighter doing it sux then its up to his OPPONENT to STOP him. Bonnar is supposedly a BJJ master under a fucking GRACIE. WTF happened???? I hope Riggs knocks some of Diego's teeth out.

 

[bass]

My view on Lay N Pray is this, if the fighter doing it sux then its up to his OPPONENT to STOP him. Bonnar is supposedly a BJJ master under a fucking GRACIE. WTF happened???? I hope Riggs knocks some of Diego's teeth out.

thats a good point, i thought the same thing during that fight.. i was sitting there like TRIANGLE! ARMBAR! HES GIVING YOU HIS ARM! and shit.. i mean.. bonnar trained under carlson (R.I.P.) and supposedly has a sick ground game.. the only person ive ever seen him submit was mike swick who he completely outweighed, and james irvin who just was.. bad haha.. i guess rashads wrestling tactics and lay-n-pray was too much and he couldnt really get good position or anything.. i think he could have many times.. but i guess he didnt think so

i hope riggs knocks diego into next friday.. but i dont see it happening.. he has the KO power, but diego wont even give him the chance to throw.. look for this to be all on the ground.. 1-2-shoot diego and then semi-GnP diego with the decision victory