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Record of Lodoss War Tickle Update!

Sleep is for the weak! 😛 LOL

I didn't know you were going to sleep. I thought you just didn't have anything to say. And you didn't exactly say you were leaving like the other times.


- Damien
 
Sorry, I kinda sat down and didn't get up, ya know?😀

I agree with what you said, all of it, although going Rambo will likely get you an untimely retirement from the TMF.😉
 
I disagree. How can having an art challenge or contest be seen as something wrong? It wouldn't even matter what my intent was, so long as I'm not breaking any of the Golden Rules. Besides, its up to them whether to accept the challenge or not. They most likely will not. Either because they already know they can't beat me, or because they feel they have nothing to prove (which in most cases is an excuse to get out of it). But this is a contest of skill, quality, and raw artistic ability. By accepting, they have to at least try and prove something, and by not accepting they are thus forfeiting to me. Nobody is really a loser in the end, but there is defintely a winner.


- Damien
 
Oh, wait, I misinterpreted. I got the message you were going to "attack" people. Getting blinder every day.

A contest would be a great idea!!!! Perhaps it should be suggested....
 
Oh Heavens no. Thats sadistic. But I won't hold back in a proposed duel.

I'm thinking of how to do this in a diplomatic way. Once I've gotten most of it figured out, I'll probably just make a thread. But I'm thinking ahead, and I know some people will ignore it on purpose. So I'll see if I can't make this an official TMF thing. The other thing is choosing who to challenge. I want to do it one at a time, so it will be fair. I do want to note, there are some people I don't feel the need to challenge, since I'm not disputing anything about them. (Scamwich and Osaka). Everyone one else is fair game I believe. I will also need to create stipulations both to make sure no one cheats, gets outside help, unfair support, and that things aren't so complicated. A black and white picture sounds good, and easy for everyone. What I'll do is choose a theme or idea, and we all have to draw the same thing to the best of our ability within a set ammount of time. So it quite literally is also a race too. Some people might say its not fair of me and that I have an overwhelming advantage, so I might have to handicap myself somehow. But as far as the art itself, I shouldn't have to hold back. But then again, its a race, so they shouldn't be given extra time.

Hmmm, any ideas? Remember, this is just brainstorming, NOTHING is set.


- Damien
 
Well, let's see now. First off, thank you for sparing Osaka and the Scamster. Second, perhaps you should decide on a single character for all to draw, which might make it easier to decide on a winner in the end. Third, you should, no MUST, find someone who everyone respects to do the judging. I have no ideas as to who, though. Perhaps a poll....
 
Yes, I acknowledge them as the hanchos, and I respect them both a great deal. I'm humbled by them. Everyone else though, has something to prove in my eyes, and if theres going to be a latter, or chain of command (which it appears there is) I want it to be re-organized correctly. As far as the judging, thats a little tricky for me. I'll have to make counter-measures just in case someone trys to pull the carpet out from under me. I'm really suspicious, with all due respect, of any judge or judges here without even knowing who they are yet. It could all boil down to favoritism, once again. So I need to make sure the pictures are judged STRICTLY on skill, style, and detail. Anything else is simply contradictive of the whole contest.

I'll need some middle man to do the tallying. I don't trust that a poll or vote would be fair, or would go untampered with.


Any other ideas?


- Damien
 
Who could be the middle man? Hmmmmm......

Well, perhaps Critterlord or U.N. Owen might have some ideas, wherever they are.....
 
Yeah. We'll see what they have to say, if anything.

One more thing I need to make clear one more time probably, is that this is strictly anime only. I'm not challenging anyone outside of the genre or anyone from one of those MTJ magazines, since thats more of blend of different things then straight out anime.


Wait....I just had a sublime vision! This is even better. How about I be the judge, and the others battle it out, and then whoever wins out of them faces me in a duel to decide the winner?

That sounds alot more exciting and fair, doesn't it? 😀

Its perfect, because everyone can be assured I'll be totally un-biased, and I do good, honest, tough critquing, so I'm the perfect choice to judge this thing.


- Damien
 
Great!!!! And when the final contest comes, you can have a larger panel of judges. Should be interesting
 
This is actually a grand idea. It will be almost like a championship gauntlet. The winner faces the champion, and if they win, they become the new champion AND the judge for the next contest. And the process goes on and on. And this way, it allows everyone a chance to get the championship title. Its good to have them go through everyone else first, because that proves they have what it takes to face the current champion. And if they have what it takes to get through all those people, then its not unfair for them to face the champ as their final challenge. And in this particular case, it would be fair for everyone because I wouldn't be in the actual contest until someone makes it through and faces me, which someone will. If I keep winning, then it only proves I deserve to be the champion and should be getting more recognition and replies then I currently am. If I should lose, and I want my championship title back, then I'd have to go through the gauntlet like everyone else and make it back up to the top. This contest would happen once a month so as to allow the champion to savor their title before putting it on the line against the person who wins the initial contest. If the champion keeps winning, then it only proves they deserve to be the champion. If they lose, they aren't the current champion anymore, but they are champion material. So either way, it should leave them with a good feeling, and they can always try to get the title back.

If you really think about it, this is a good way to boost the other artists, and it encourages them to draw better and to draw more often. Even if someone losses, they can keep trying until they go all the way to the top. I see this as a good thing. It helps build our artists up on an individual level. Its no longer about proving yourself to the other artists, but the fans also.


- Damien
 
Yeah, but enough about that for now.

I'll talk about the pictures I'm going to draw next. I wanted to do a follow up tickle picture with Pirotess after having drawn Deedlit, and then 3 secret ones I won't tell anyone about. All of them will be tickle pictures, though. I'm sure people will really like that. This picture of Deedlit (which I'm hoping people saw all 3 versions) is a sample of what you can expect. I also have some requests from members that I need to work on. ^___^


- Damien
 
Well, I have to be honest...

I'm not so sure the contest idea is workable. I don't think any others are likely to agree. It's likely to be dismissed as an unnecessarily confrontational approach, and people probably won't want to join in. The people you're out to challenge would be the least likely to participate: they would just use the whole proposal against you, probably while declaring they were "above" such things.

Frankly, I don't really think talented artists can be "ranked" in that way anyway. Different people have different styles, equally good, equally valid, just... different.

I don't mean just to be discouraging, but the notion of a contest is, to my mind, a can of worms, best avoided.

Just my opinion, of course.
 
I agree with the first part. But its not like I'm telling people to drop what they're doing. Sites have contests all the time, and there would be nothing demeaning about an art contest. What can be demeaning is a critque, but a contest is too diverse for it to really offend any particular person.

As far as the later half of the post, I used to agree with that ideal. But lets wake up people. There is no "everyone's a winner, everyone's equal". To be quite frank and blunt, in the real world, there is no equal. There are clearly winners, losers, and people who have yet to prove themselves to be either of these two. People want to pretend this is not so, to avoid problems, but its lying all the same. True, people may be unique, but there are clearly people distinguished as better off. If someone has more skill, more talent, and more charisma (and other things), anyone that lacks those things on a level thats lower then the person in question is literally not as good in that given field, talent, or profession. Our society is divided by quality and generic. Thats a bitter truth to wash down, but its still true. I feel, that in some ways, that idea is true of art, and artists. Yes, art is subjectable, and in the eye of the beholder, but on a critquing level (which is the only way to distinguish good from not so good) some art, for one reason or another, or many reasons can be, and often is, simply better looking then others. Art is a tangible thing, thankfully. Its something you can see, and touch. So, if one picture was compared to another, and there are clearly differences of quality and skill level, then its no longer a matter of opinion if ones better than the other, its a matter of fact. No one can deny the tangible, visual proof of art.

Sure, its sounds really mean, demoralizing, wicked or cruel even, but its the truth. My point is, there is no equal. Not here, not in the real world, not between countries, or whatever else you could compare. It would be nice if everyone were equally skilled, but they aren't. Theres always going to be someone better than you, and those not better than you. My whole gripe this entire time has been that my place in either side has not been fairly distinguished. I'm not going to get into it, but my art is good, blah blah blah, BUT its also better (I hate to say that because of how it makes me look, but its the only word I feel I could appropriately use to define this situation), better than some of the other artists here. These artists, for some reason or another are getting more for their effort then I am, when my art is quite frankly superior to theirs in every way. I can just imagine who and what force will come into this thread now to tell me off, damn me, and seek revenge, but that doesn't change anything or help the situation. Perhaps I wouldn't feel this way if I was treated on a level my art is. Clearly if its really good, then I should be getting really good replies, feedback, and the like. If it was poor, or too lacking, then I could expect that. But see, thats my beef entirely. I've proven myself, I'm right here, right now, and its like I'm invisible. I'll admit, my attitude can be a problem sometimes, but that should have nothing to do with how my art is viewed as I've said many times. You can hate the person's guts, but you can't deny their talent. In other words, you may hate the person, but can you hate the artist if that in and of itself is good and neutralizes any agression the person has? If art truely is a way to communicate, then whats going wrong? I'll accept its half my attitude, I'm man enough to admit that. However, wheres the other half? My art does not suck. You people know who I am now. What is it with you? Are you afraid? Intimidated? I know your not lazy, because I know you look at my art and some of you (an undetermined ammount) go to great lengths to see my art. Some of you even put up with my need to make a request as fulfilling for myself and as it would be for you.

Whether you like it or not, I'm good, and I'm here, and without demanding it, I want your feedback damnit. And if you think "Ok, I'll teach you, get ready for a demeaning critque, you pompous bastard", thats not what I mean. If the others can get your opinions and thoughts without having to ask for them, I should be getting the same. I shouldn't have to beg, nor will I. If you want to see my pictures at all, you selfish people, then the least you can do is thank me for them, say something about them, and do something to make me feel comfortable here. I'm sure some of you are uncomfortable with my presense, just as I am with yours. But this is something YOU created and started. I did not join this site with a malfactor, mean streak, or aimed to dominate it. These feelings, or thoughts rather, manifested as a result of your shunning me for unknown reasons. You really are one of those "clan sites". Shit, what hazing ritual would one have to go through to join this exclusive group? If people that can't draw very well (with all due respect to them, as some of them are my friends), how is it their introduction to this groupie was easier, and I have yet to get your attention? What? Do you think I'm not good enough for you? Hell, I'm a better artist than more than half you, so thats crazy. To be honest, this whole challenge thing was to get your attention, if you didn't already know that. And if I had won this contest (which I'm confident I would have) I would get more of your attention. What does one have to do to impress you people? Maybe I'm a fool, and naive for thinking this place would be a place of equal opportunity. But then again, in retrospect, didn't I say earlier that there is no equal? But this is about bias, not equality, and you know it.

Yeah, thats my truth. I might very well be banned or warned for my very potent, perhaps offensive post. Or, it might just be deleted, which would prove to be a waste, since some of you need to hear this and I'm working within the limits of free speech. Should anything happen to me, I'll still be around. Theres no reason for me to be the one to leave. If I'm willing to challenge you, just to prove a point and get some where, what makes you think I'll leave so easily?

Some one had better reply to this, and it better not be to close the thread, delete this post or posts. Its time to stops dancing about and time to address the problem and diplomatically work it out. I'm a valuable member, valuable artist, and an asset. While you can afford to lose me, its not without costs or downsides. I'm not just any member. I'm a member that contributes his free time to you, to give you something you want, and that I enjoy to a degree and I'm good at it, and you know you can barely complain. I'm simply not appriciated, and am taken for granted. And if your willing to show that in silence under the pretext that I'm mean, then what does that say about the other artists? You could very well be using them, and thinking of them all the same, just a bit nicer, since you get along. If thats the case, or the only way it can be, then you ought to start paying the piper with "thanks yous" and a whole lot more then even they are getting.

There is one thing I will agree with about art. Whether a picture is good, excellent, or it flat out sucks, at the very least it should get a "thank you" because they tried. Its still art and the person is selflessly sharing his or her art with you, so the exchange requires you give something. Its just common courtesy. We don't get paid for this. We quite literally do it out of the kindness of our hearts, or with good will.


- Damien
 
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Whoa there. I understand all your points, and I fell that many of them are valid. I am glad you WERE man enought to admit that half of it was your personality, that was great.🙂 🙂 But, tone it down just a WEEEE bit. I and all others will respect your right to get a bit upset, and I believe your feelings are more than valid. Just tone it down a tad. Now, I agree that you are in some ways passed over. There is a smaller group that replies to each of your posts than many other artists. Now, this could be your personality partly, as you very graciously admited before, but I agree that that can't be all of it. However, I am not the one who knows why this happens, or the appropriate way to deal with it. The ones who know that, are the ones who don't comment.
 
HisDivineShadow said:
But, tone it down just a WEEEE bit.


The ones who know that, are the ones who don't comment.


Why should I? This has been going on since I got here. What, am I going to upset someone with what I said? What about me? Don't you think I'm upset?


And no shit, Sherlock! 😛


- Damien
 
I'm so loved.😀 Well, it seems those you are trying to get the attention of never read your complaints, so a new method may be necessary.
 
Well, I understand your frustration, Damien. It is galling to put a huge amount of work into something, then feel that people are consuming it without acknowledging its creator.

And yes, the TMF is clannish. It always has been. It was formed by a small group of people who have mostly met in real life, actually know each other, and mainly want to talk to each other. That includes some of the artists, who thus get built-in acceptance. Others, not part of that original group, have either entered it through the gatherings, or just by frequent posting and -- most importantly -- an outlook that matches that of the "trendsetters" here. You and I don't match that attitude.

The clique structure here has sometimes made me consider dropping the place, but I've always decided against it, because the good outweighs the bad. I do find like minded people here, at least a few. Most of the readers of my stories come from here. A few (about 5 out of 1300) actually tell me when they've read and enjoyed them, and I deeply appreciate the feedback I do get. All of that is, for me, much better than the total isolation I was in, in this little side-interest of mine, before I found the online community.

As for why people post less about you than about some others, I don't really know why. You know perfectly well that you can come across as rather abrasive, and that certainly turns some people off. I'm sure they still download your pics -- they just don't tell you. Also, your pics are not part of the "trendsetter mindset." You do a lot that aren't tickling, whereas most artists here are totally single-themed. You go for cute, not nude or erotic. Many others prefer otherwise. I like much of the anime that turns up here, but frankly, I edit huge numbers of them in Paintshop, to turn grimaces and moans into smiles and laughter. Yours are, to my taste, right from the start. But that's wrong for a lot of others. There are of course many who like cute images, but only a few post.

So, between factors, you've only got part of the already small group of active posters responding to you.

As for the question of judging quality, I do agree with you in part. There are objective differences in quality. I would certainly not say that "everyone" is equally good. There are many artists here and elsewhere who are not as good as you, period. But you are part of a small group of very talented people, and once you get into levels of very talented, you get into 'different' rather than 'better.' In other words, you can judge a small group to be the best, but not a single individual.

BTW, I should also mention before your earlier post gets swamped, that I really look forward to the other pics you mentioned as forthcoming. 🙂
 
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I edited my post. And I only made that smart-assed remark to you because its obvious they know why they don't. Its not some mystery. I have already gone over what it can be- jealously, their intimidated by my talent, or they don't know what to say. And if they don't know what to say, thats what commenting on the picture is for. Your not supposed to chat with me about me, your supposed to comment on the picture. Thats what its there for. Thats why people post their work to begin with. For it to get either comments or critques. If this weren't the case, there would be no point to anyone posting anything atall.


- Damien
 
Was that a reply to my post? 😕 I wasn't aware you had made a smart-assed comment to me. Did I miss something?
 
No, it was in his original post. He edited it to probably tone it down a bit, hopefully to encourage the mods to spare it.
 
If your weren't so brilliant I'd almost slap you senseless! Every time, every time, every single time you find a way to make everything better. But this time, I'm sorry, its not enough. I won't be pasified, or allow myself to be because of a sweet post like that.

There is no such thing as equal. Your either better or worse when it comes to art. I can say without a shadow of a doubt that I am the third best anime artist this site has after Scamwich and Osaka. I have no equal. I do have a rival, but thats a little different. I feel the organization of the importance or popularity of the artists is all wrong, and mixed up. If anything, I should be getting much, much more than I have been. But no, that goes to the people you mentioned that are the "fat cats" so to speak of the TMF. This is all so political. They bought people's votes practically. Thats what it feels like. If people critiqued them honestly and bluntly, and without favor, like I want to, then the truth would come out. I can find artistic problems, errors, and shortcomings in each anime artist here. Am I without fault? No, of course not. But I am more skilled then all but two of them. It takes someone like me to see these errors. Theres no harm in being harsh, and constructive criticism on this site is just a farse for "we want to stop you from giving too much of the truth, because it hurts." If I gave the truth and everyone else did, the chain of command here would change instantly, and people would immediately recognize who is who, and for what.

On the subject of personal taste, to hell with that also. Because that doesn't change the quality of ones work. A person that doesn't like my work because of a theme issue can still enjoy the artistic integrity of it.

I am an ever-growing artist, Owen. Some people have their limits, and I haven't reached mine yet. I don't even feel I've scratched the tip of the ice burg. I've got so much more in me. But with this growth an evolution, there should be an equally supporting fan base. I'm sorry, but I can't be satisfied by the comments of just friends anymore. I need more. And theres no reason I shouldn't get more. Why is that? Once again, because my art is that good. Thats not me being pompous, having an inflated ego, or surely thinking too highly of myself. I know it seems that way, but trust me, I know my limits, I just haven't reached them. I'm in my prime right now Owen, and the silence isn't helping me on my journey.


- Damien


U.N.Owen said:
Well, I understand your frustration, Damien. It is galling to put a huge amount of work into something, then feel that people are consuming it without acknowledging its creator.

And yes, the TMF is clannish. It always has been. It was formed by a small group of people who have mostly met in real life, actually know each other, and mainly want to talk to each other. That includes some of the artists, who thus get built-in acceptance. Others, not part of that original group, have either entered it through the gatherings, or just by frequent posting and -- most importantly -- an outlook that matches that of the "trendsetters" here. You and I don't match that attitude.

The clique structure here has sometimes made me consider dropping the place, but I've always decided against it, because the good outweighs the bad. I do find like minded people here, at least a few. Most of the readers of my stories come from here. A few (about 5 out of 1300) actually tell me when they've read and enjoyed them, and I deeply appreciate the feedback I do get. All of that is, for me, much better than the total isolation I was in, in this little side-interest of mine, before I found the online community.

As for why people post less about you than about some others, I don't really know why. You know perfectly well that you can come across as rather abrasive, and that certainly turns some people off. I'm sure they still download your pics -- they just don't tell you. Also, your pics are not part of the "trendsetter mindset." You do a lot that aren't tickling, whereas most artists here are totally single-themed. You go for cute, not nude or erotic. Many others prefer otherwise. I like much of the anime that turns up here, but frankly, I edit huge numbers of them in Paintshop, to turn grimaces and moans into smiles and laughter. Yours are, to my taste, right from the start. But that's wrong for a lot of others. There are of course many who like cute images, but only a few post.

So, between factors, you've only got part of the already small group of active posters responding to you.

As for the question of judging quality, I do agree with you in part. There are objective differences in quality. I would certainly not say that "everyone" is equally good. There are many artists here and elsewhere who are not as good as you, period. But you are part of a small group of very talented people, and once you get into levels of very talented, you get into 'different' rather than 'better.' In other words, you can judge a small group to be the best, but not a single individual. (If you're interested in this whole question of objective/subjective esthetics, I strongly recommend David Hume's 18th century essay "On the Standard of Taste," an attempt to logically demonstrate that there are objective differences in quality that transcend taste and fashion.)

BTW, I should also mention before your earlier post gets swamped, that I really look forward to the other pics you mentioned as forthcoming. 🙂
 
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