Religion vs. Tickling

[lustfultickler]

I'm sure his topic has been discussed before but since I admittedly suck at forum searches I'll ask again so forgive me ahead of time.

Is there a conflict between religion and tickling?
I.e. professing Christianity and yet can't stay away from the forum?

I'd like to hear your thoughts

 

[tickledorange]

Nope. Religious people are ticklish, too.

 

[lustfultickler]

Tickledorange

now that is funny

 

[Mz Chaos]

Isn't there a passage in the Bible that states..."Make a joyful noise unto the Lord?"
Seems to me laughter is a joyful noise and that added to the "Oh my God's" from the 'Lees... well... works for me.

 

[Mastertank1]

If you mean

Christianity, of course there's a conflict. Anything that's fun is a sin and therefore forbidden.
Thank GOD I'm not a Christian.

Mastertank1

We who play and dance are thought mad by they who hear no music.

 

[tklcouple]

myth

Mastertank,

Please allow me to respond to your remark and debunk an old and poplular myth. There are some folks who call themselves Christians who have espoused the "if you like it then it must be a sin" idea. Christianity as it has been practiced for the last 1900+ years has NOT backed this idea but rather that the God we know and worship wants us to live so happily and joyfully as possible. Unfortuntely we live in a nation where anyone can say anything they want and call themselves to be of any religion they pick out. Then I must mention also that over time there have been those who have called themselves "Christians" and used this false teaching that runs against the grain of human nature to control others politically for their own purposes. I am sure that they will all have their own day of judgment as will we all and I for one am only concerned with my own.

To consider how silly this all sounds to someone like me who has a family history of practicing true Christianity that dates back to the first century consider the following analogy (silly as it may be): If I and some others decide to call ourselves "followers of Master Tank" and run around telling people that the true teaching of Master Tank is to have frequent sex with chickens, does that mean that sex with chickens is really the core to your life philosophy just because a bunch of hooligans run around and say so? Certainly not! Especially when you and those who know you come out and say that this is a practice you condemn and don't believe in (at least let's hope, eh! LOL). Just because you have some groups espousing a lie about you does not make it true, even if they get the public to believe it. So be careful who you believe calls themselves "Christian" and be a bit skeptical as to if they really do adhere to the teachings of a man who was so influential that He forever changed the entire world. This is a fact of history as is was for Moses, Mohammed, the Buddha, etc. whether we each as individuals believe in or agree with any one of them or not.

In my personal (and conservative) Christian opinion, God made us ticklish and gave us laughter. If this thing brings joy to the world then far from being a sin (i.e. that which separates us form God in our relationship to Him and our fellow human being) but rather it can be a good thing that brings us closer and finds for us joy. If you like to race cars is that a sin? Only if you destroy your marraige, don't see your kids, go broke and turn away those who need your help for the sake of NASCAR. But what if you can also race cars to raise charity funds, use this passion to build a closer relationship with your children and friends, build a family business to raise your kids and take care of your spouse and have time for them all, helping those who need you as you go along? To the true Christian worldview, very few things are pure good or evil in and of themselves (although there are exceptions). It's all in the application, it is rather the spirit in which they are used and to what end. And this is the viewpoint of traditional Christianity as it has been since the beginning and as it has been passed down from one generation to the next from the first century to today.

BTW, doesn't this thread belong in the "Politics and Religion" Section?

Best wishes and God bless,

Professor Tkl

 

[Jarl_Frank]

As in my religion, Asatru, we don't have anything like sins, there's no problem with it.
Much rather sex ans everything related to love and partnership is considered a holy thign given by the gods, as it is fun to both partners and hurts nobody - and sex is making children, so that another big plus 😀
okay, tickling doesn't but what is sex without a nice, ticklish foreplay 😉

 

[lustfultickler]

To professor tickle,
I think that your are correct in all of your observations.

I would like to ask the mods to move this discussion to the proper thread, and my apologies.

lstfltcklr

 

[Amanda]

I love tklcouple's analogy.

Tickling is to Christianity as Chicken sex is to Master Tank followers.

hahahah i love it, wow that made me laugh, yet it made sense, too

As far as tickling being a "problem" with christianity, well, this kinda depends on you, and your religion under christianity (a variation of protestant, or catholic.) Personally ive never heard anything about tickling being a "sin" of any sort.

Of course i can see how some strict catholics may find bondage and tickling a little too much.... but, hey, it is YOUR choice, and relies on how you think the Big Guy will feel about you having tickling fun (personally, i feel like he is happy as long as you are...and you arent doing anything to HARM anyone else...lets hope your ticklee is not forced into tickletorture! 😉 Haha, I'm just playing with ya, lol. )

Hope this helped a lil

 

[Mastertank1]

In general...

Mastertank,

Please allow me to respond to your remark and debunk an old and poplular myth. There are some folks who call themselves Christians who have espoused the "if you like it then it must be a sin" idea. Christianity as it has been practiced for the last 1900+ years has NOT backed this idea but rather that the God we know and worship wants us to live so happily and joyfully as possible. Unfortuntely we live in a nation where anyone can say anything they want and call themselves to be of any religion they pick out. Then I must mention also that over time there have been those who have called themselves "Christians" and used this false teaching that runs against the grain of human nature to control others politically for their own purposes. I am sure that they will all have their own day of judgment as will we all and I for one am only concerned with my own.

To consider how silly this all sounds to someone like me who has a family history of practicing true Christianity that dates back to the first century consider the following analogy (silly as it may be): If I and some others decide to call ourselves "followers of Master Tank" and run around telling people that the true teaching of Master Tank is to have frequent sex with chickens, does that mean that sex with chickens is really the core to your life philosophy just because a bunch of hooligans run around and say so? Certainly not! Especially when you and those who know you come out and say that this is a practice you condemn and don't believe in (at least let's hope, eh! LOL). Just because you have some groups espousing a lie about you does not make it true, even if they get the public to believe it. So be careful who you believe calls themselves "Christian" and be a bit skeptical as to if they really do adhere to the teachings of a man who was so influential that He forever changed the entire world. This is a fact of history as is was for Moses, Mohammed, the Buddha, etc. whether we each as individuals believe in or agree with any one of them or not.

In my personal (and conservative) Christian opinion, God made us ticklish and gave us laughter. If this thing brings joy to the world then far from being a sin (i.e. that which separates us form God in our relationship to Him and our fellow human being) but rather it can be a good thing that brings us closer and finds for us joy. If you like to race cars is that a sin? Only if you destroy your marraige, don't see your kids, go broke and turn away those who need your help for the sake of NASCAR. But what if you can also race cars to raise charity funds, use this passion to build a closer relationship with your children and friends, build a family business to raise your kids and take care of your spouse and have time for them all, helping those who need you as you go along? To the true Christian worldview, very few things are pure good or evil in and of themselves (although there are exceptions). It's all in the application, it is rather the spirit in which they are used and to what end. And this is the viewpoint of traditional Christianity as it has been since the beginning and as it has been passed down from one generation to the next from the first century to today.

BTW, doesn't this thread belong in the "Politics and Religion" Section?

Best wishes and God bless,

Professor Tkl

First of all, I agree this should be on the P&R forum.
Second, having travelled extensively and met huge numbers of people all over this country and the world, I honest to God, (whom I do believe in very strongly) wish that more of the people who profess to be Christians were like you, Professor Tkl! Having read a lot about the life and preaching of Jesus of Nazareth, I cannot help but feel that he would be (or is) appalled at the vast majority of what has been done in his name in the past 2000 years.
Third, if anyone out there actually considers themself to be my followers, Folks, y'all is SO lost!!!!!

Mastertank1

We who play and dance are thought mad by they who hear no music.

 

[Ticklerguy4u]

The Lord made our bodies have pain and pleasure. Whats the deal? If I tickle a woman and she responds by laughing. What have I done wrong??? I think some (not all) christians believe that everything is a sin. Except for judging others that somehow slips through the cracks. I being a believer in christianity have learned that there are a lot worse things you could be doing. Like pointing a finger at someone that doesnt think like you.

 

[tklcouple]

thought for the day

Someone once told me:

"Whenever you point a finger at someone,
remember that there are three more fingers on that same hand pointing back at you."​

Hmmmmmm. . . . .



Professor Tkl

 

[Luv2Tickle69]

Here's my take on all that....

.....if God didn't think it'd be ethical, cool, or okay for us to tickle one another, he wouldn't have fortified our bodies with all those wonderful nerve endings or given us the gift of laughter and being able to share that with others.....by tickling or other means of humor.....

....but...that's just me....

 

[GirlWhoLikes2Laugh]

I think that if God made us ticklish or most of us anyway I don't think there's anything wrong with it. I don't think there should be a connection between religion and tickling anyway except if someone is getting tickled against their will and doesn't like it.


That's just my opinion. Just thought I'd share my thoughts.

 

[lustfultickler]

Good point Jen,

I also have tend to agree with the approach that most things are neutral--and natural--it only becomes corrupt when we began to misuse things that were originally meant to be pleasurable.

Just my 2 cents

 

[Mastertank1]

Hi, man;

As in my religion, Asatru, we don't have anything like sins, there's no problem with it.
Much rather sex ans everything related to love and partnership is considered a holy thign given by the gods, as it is fun to both partners and hurts nobody - and sex is making children, so that another big plus 😀
okay, tickling doesn't but what is sex without a nice, ticklish foreplay 😉

My late best friend, Billy Walker, was a Govi (I think that's the word) a priest of the Asatru religion. He used to wear stylized miniature Mjolnir on a rawhide thong, and he had a shirt that said;

My God carries a hammer;
yours died nailed to a cross.
Think about it.

He was a great drinking and fighting buddy. I still miss him.

Mastertank1

We who play and dance are thought mad by they who hear no music.

 

[witchtickler]

Isn't there a passage in the Bible that states..."Make a joyful noise unto the Lord?"
Seems to me laughter is a joyful noise and that added to the "Oh my God's" from the 'Lees... well... works for me.

There absolutely is such a passage!!!

 

[TicklishLurker]

I think "Christians" would have a bigger problem with the lustful feelings tickling brings up in us.

Of course, I consider myself a Christian. I believe in God, in Jesus, in Heaven and Hell. But I also believe the Bible has been messed up by men to reflect their own views. I believe the only true sins are murder, rape, pedophila, drug abuse, things like that. I don't believe in one true religion - though I do believe a religion can be evil such as Satanism or have ideals that are wrong.

Most "Christians" who'd call us sinners aren't really Christians at all because they forget one of the main teachings of Christ - Love thy neighbor.

 

[JoBelle]

A thread from....oh....five years ago. Some of you might have some thoughts on things mentioned here. A good old thread. 🙂

http://www.ticklingforum.com/showthread.php?t=2918&highlight=tickling+religion

 

[Jarl_Frank]

My late best friend, Billy Walker, was a Govi (I think that's the word) a priest of the Asatru religion. He used to wear stylized miniature Mjolnir on a rawhide thong, and he had a shirt that said;

My God carries a hammer;
yours died nailed to a cross.
Think about it.

He was a great drinking and fighting buddy. I still miss him.

Mastertank1

We who play and dance are thought mad by they who hear no music.

I'm wearing a mjolnir too, almost every Asatruar does 😀
And I like the saying on that shirt, hehe...

And it'S spelled "Gothi" 😉

Nice to see there are more Asatruars out there 🙂
Cheers man!

 

[kis123]

I think "Christians" would have a bigger problem with the lustful feelings tickling brings up in us.

Of course, I consider myself a Christian. I believe in God, in Jesus, in Heaven and Hell. But I also believe the Bible has been messed up by men to reflect their own views. I believe the only true sins are murder, rape, pedophila, drug abuse, things like that. I don't believe in one true religion - though I do believe a religion can be evil such as Satanism or have ideals that are wrong.

Most "Christians" who'd call us sinners aren't really Christians at all because they forget one of the main teachings of Christ - Love thy neighbor.

Wow-I'm simply blown away!

*claps and cheers!*

This statement sums up the last 4 years of my life. I was a church-going, bible-thumping, "Christian". I was learning the religious "rules of engagement" and was following them pretty much to the letter. I tried hard to do what I was told from pulpits every Sunday, Tuesday, and Thursday. And if I didn't make it to all services, I was made to feel guilty and useless. If I didn't participate durinig services, I was made to feel I didn't love God as much as those who did.

Then my "cold slap in the face" moment came when I started to notice how my son was getting treated. For the few who might not know, my son is autistic and mentally handicapped. He loved going to church until he turned 13 or so. That's when he realized that he couldn't make friends and the kids (mostly children of the "leaders" of the church) would exclude him from activities or make fun of him behind his back. It was so bad that he refused to go to teen bible study and stayed with me and his sister during services. He never told me what was going on and he suffered for years. The adults would treat him differently too-only a few people saw who he was, respected him, and treated him as an equal to his sister.

I ignored the obvious and kept burying and suppressing my feelings about it to the point I fell into a depression. I could not get out of bed on Sunday morning and take my kids to church anymore. That was going on 5 years ago and I haven't been in a church since.

I don't know why I consumed so much space in this thread, but ticklishlurker's post gave me rapid-fire flashbacks! She put the last few years of my life in print-it's rare someone is able to do that.

Now, back to the origiinal question..................

Why does God make us ticklish if we weren't meant to tickle or be tickled? Why did God take something that some find distasteful and abusive and others love doing and having done to them? Why all of the sexual overtones to tickling when during our childhood it was playful and fun?

I am still washing away guilt and shame over my love of tickling. I still get uncomfortable when watching vids and sometimes getting turned on by them. I have an overactive imagination and begin to imagine being the ler or even the lee in the vid and I occasionally get "overwhelmed".

I still believe in God, but I don't believe that relationship with Him is conditional of going to church and dealing with His so-called "people!" I caught more hell in church than I ever did in the street! Religion excludes and finger-points at those who are different regardless if the differences are born or made. It creates expectations that are virtually unattainable then says "do it or else you're going to hell!"

I'm sorry this post was so long but it's a personal thing and sometimes I just have to go there!

 

[tklcouple]

two points of perpsective

To my fellow parent of a handicapped child: I am sorry to hear of your plight and that of your family. It is conspicuous in reading the account of the life of Jesus of Nazareth that He did not spend His time with the wealthy, powerful and righteous but rather with the handicapped, the ill and those in need of redemption and mercy. To have ostracized your son was an act contrary to the teachings of Christ and His church. I grew up with a cousin who was developmentally delayed from Down's syndrome and am happy to say this man has more faith than most "normal" men I know and is more at home in God's house than in any other. My heart is heavy at hearing of your experience and encourage you to seek out a place of worship that truly does practice what He preached.

To my fellow ticklephiles who are followers of Thor and the Norse dieties: At no time have I insulted or demeaned your dieties or that which you hold sacred, and quite frankly while it is certainly politically correct I find your friend's T-shirt offensive and insulting. I find your promotion of these diminutive comments about a man who means so much to so many inappropriate and demanding of reconsideration. I find it to be reflecting poorly on your own faith if its followers find it acceptable to demean the sacred of many others. I have read your sacred texts and familiarized myself long before coming to the TMF with the lore of your dieties and have acquired a knowledge of and respect for your traditions. I would only ask the same conideration of respect, reagrdless of your opinions of me or my God.
Professor Tkl

 

[tickled7]

"Holy Laughter" Services

I was at one of those "Holy Laughter" services a few years ago!

It was mildly interesting!

 

[kis123]

I was at one of those "Holy Laughter" services a few years ago!

It was mildly interesting!

At least you found something mildly interesting about it. I found it incredibly disturbing!

This is one of MANY reasons Christianity gets treated like some sort of joke. They pick up any little charismatic event and take it to extremes. This is how you end up with messes like Jonestown, David Koresh in Waco, and others.

 

[Iluv2Btickled]

Mastertank,

Please allow me to respond to your remark and debunk an old and poplular myth. There are some folks who call themselves Christians who have espoused the "if you like it then it must be a sin" idea. Christianity as it has been practiced for the last 1900+ years has NOT backed this idea but rather that the God we know and worship wants us to live so happily and joyfully as possible. Unfortuntely we live in a nation where anyone can say anything they want and call themselves to be of any religion they pick out. Then I must mention also that over time there have been those who have called themselves "Christians" and used this false teaching that runs against the grain of human nature to control others politically for their own purposes. I am sure that they will all have their own day of judgment as will we all and I for one am only concerned with my own.

To consider how silly this all sounds to someone like me who has a family history of practicing true Christianity that dates back to the first century consider the following analogy (silly as it may be): If I and some others decide to call ourselves "followers of Master Tank" and run around telling people that the true teaching of Master Tank is to have frequent sex with chickens, does that mean that sex with chickens is really the core to your life philosophy just because a bunch of hooligans run around and say so? Certainly not! Especially when you and those who know you come out and say that this is a practice you condemn and don't believe in (at least let's hope, eh! LOL). Just because you have some groups espousing a lie about you does not make it true, even if they get the public to believe it. So be careful who you believe calls themselves "Christian" and be a bit skeptical as to if they really do adhere to the teachings of a man who was so influential that He forever changed the entire world. This is a fact of history as is was for Moses, Mohammed, the Buddha, etc. whether we each as individuals believe in or agree with any one of them or not.

In my personal (and conservative) Christian opinion, God made us ticklish and gave us laughter. If this thing brings joy to the world then far from being a sin (i.e. that which separates us form God in our relationship to Him and our fellow human being) but rather it can be a good thing that brings us closer and finds for us joy. If you like to race cars is that a sin? Only if you destroy your marraige, don't see your kids, go broke and turn away those who need your help for the sake of NASCAR. But what if you can also race cars to raise charity funds, use this passion to build a closer relationship with your children and friends, build a family business to raise your kids and take care of your spouse and have time for them all, helping those who need you as you go along? To the true Christian worldview, very few things are pure good or evil in and of themselves (although there are exceptions). It's all in the application, it is rather the spirit in which they are used and to what end. And this is the viewpoint of traditional Christianity as it has been since the beginning and as it has been passed down from one generation to the next from the first century to today.


Professor Tkl

You've got my AMEN! 🙂